Disclaimer: I’m an atheist who has nothing major against non-secularists. But sometimes this whole Christmas War nonsense is more tiring than Black Friday sales. Sigh.
“…and now, the reeesstt of the story,” as newscaster Paul Harvey used to say. For the past few years Paul’s pithy prose describes something we should all remember when it comes to the infamous Christmas Wars – look at the other side.
The latest battle has been fought before, yet it never seems to die. Christian organizations in Santa Monica, CA won’t be able to place their annual 14-scene Christmas nativity decorations in the city park and they’re miffed. The Washington Post headlined the story this way, Atheists’ move halts Christmas tradition in Santa Monica, churches go to court to get it back.
The problem is the atheists didn’t kill anything. They simply applied for slots in a lottery the town set up to allow equal access to the city park. Not surprisingly, city officials grew tired of being accused of being “anti-Christian” for following the law, so they killed it.
Of the 21 available slots, atheists won 18 draws, Christians won 2, and Jews won 1. Since the drawings were blind, I’m not sure how to account for the imbalance, but my guess is atheists put in more applications and Christians fewer. In other words, they played by the rules and won fair and square. Yet, the atheists are a vast anti-Christian plot.
I won’t argue that atheists put up some displays that Christians found offensive and I won’t defend them for it. However, they are as entitled to do that as Christians are to say just as bad or worse things about atheists. The Constitution protects speech, it says nothing about friendly or agreeable speech.
Understandably, there are bad feelings all around – from both sides of the story. Although I follow the “logic” of some of the Christian backlash, it seems pretty lame, and frankly contradictory, to me. Cynthia Dermody offered “10 Reasons Atheists Can Go to Hell Over Holiday Decorations Fight” on Cafemom. Here are her “reasons” (with much of her snark removed):
- “You aren’t going to make Christmas or Hanukkah go away.” I don’t think atheists, who make up small sliver of the population, have any illusions about that. They are reminded of it every day. And while there are atheists who want religion to go away, like there are deists who want atheists go away, most of us simply want rights equal to deists.
- “You are coming off looking shallow, mean, and spiteful, like the spoiled neighborhood brat who always got pissy when everyone voted to play kickball when they really wanted to play tag.” If by “shallow, mean, and spiteful” you mean follow the rules and not ask for special dispensation, then yes, I’m guilty. School ground votes aren’t valid constitutional arguments and I’d wager that even if a kid was “shallow, mean, and spiteful” the other kids would make fun of him anyway.
- “The displays aren’t going to convince someone who isn’t religious to suddenly convert or defect from your ranks.” I agree. I suspect the atheists will be about as successful with their proselytization as a gaggle of Baptists camping, unbidden, on someone’s porch to share the word of God will be. However, I don’t have a problem with anyone presenting a point of view, as long as everyone gets a chance…and they don’t stand on my porch to do it.
- “Many of the past nativity scenes from area churches represented historical scenes from the Bible.” Again, I agree. However, atheists are part of history too. Would Dermody be happier had the atheists’ scenes depicted Supreme Court battles over the First Amendment?
- “You’re just jealous we get presents and you don’t. Yeah, it sucks to be you this time of year.” Woah! Talk about, ”shallow, mean, and spiteful”. I don’t know any atheists who don’t get presents on Dec. 25th. They get presents on their birthdays, anniversaries, and sometimes Valentine’s Days too. I don’t think that sucks. In fact, I think it is in line with one of the most wonderful biblical concepts I know, “Give and ye shall receive.” (Luke 6:38)
- “Your kids might actually enjoy them. Like it or not, your little atheists will probably attend school with other children who are being raised in a faith.” My “little atheist” got presents when she was a kid. She liked them as much as any other kid. She also enjoyed learning about faiths in which kids don’t demand Transformers the size of fire trucks. She sometimes had questions about those faiths which I answered truthfully and thoroughly with real quotations from the proper religious texts when possible. Studies show most atheists know more about Christianity than Christians do. BTW, my “little atheist”, who is now 22 years old, fervently believes in God and, unlike many Christians, regularly attends church. I think she may be a stronger Christian because of her knowledge of different religions, her tolerance of other faiths, and her ability to choose intelligently because of it. I hope you can say the same of your “little Christian”.
- “You’re winning anyway! Atheism is the only “religious category” that’s actually on the rise in the United States.” Ah, the Mitt Romney argument! Mitt didn’t “lose” because his beliefs became too out of step with other Americans. Obama “won” because he was a heathen non-Christian Kenyan. You might want to ask some former “conservative” turned “moderate” Republicans how that strategy worked out. Besides, with about a 80/20 split of the “electorate” I think you’d agree atheists are a long way from a “mandate”. Plus, your fund-raising is better. Atheists don’t pass the plate each Sunday, or get special tax dispensation to plow their money into a Cayman Island-like church, or have numerous and vast PACs to push their agenda. We should really work on that.
- “You don’t have to walk through or drive past this portion of the park.” That’s true, but neither do you. Luckily for you, it’s easier to avoid 18 signs than a 14-scene construction project with lighting and blaring music. However, I suppose I could just roll up my windows to keep the noise out.
- “People are going to continue to put up displays in their yards.” Dermody is right again. But those are yards, personal property. A public park is, well, public. I could be mistaken, but I’m not aware of any suits by atheists to prevent Deists’ right to do that. But even if they wanted to, that’s OK under the law. Besides, some atheists like twinkly lights and Disney characters cavorting in front of a manger as much as the next person with poor taste.
- “You are waging this war in Santa Monica, ironically. “Santa” translates to SAINT, by the way.” Ironically, city names containing “Santa/Saint” have as much to do with religious beliefs as the “New” in New York. It isn’t new, it isn’t York, and never has been. BTW, ironically, see number 4. The names are historical names based on religious people and I don’t think any atheists are pushing to rename Santa Monica (a woman and not the male Santa Claus) Dawkinsville or Hitchens City.
“…and that’s the reeesstt of the story.”
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Charlie: What’s going on here?
FIND THE TRUE MEANING OF CHRISTMAS. WIN MONEY, MONEY, MONEY! SPECTACULAR!
SUPER-COLOSSAL! NEIGHBORHOOD CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND DISPLAY CONTEST.
Lights and display contest ?
ARG ! Even my own dog’s gone commercial !
Charlie Brown: Isn’t there anyone who knows what Christmas is all about?
Linus Van Pelt: Sure, Charlie Brown, I can tell you what Christmas is all about.
In other words people were celebrating with yule logs and trees and marry making for the coming a a new year long before some clown got his ass nailed to a cross for opening up his big mouth in a occupied land where the puppet religious government supported by the Roman occupiers where heavily on the take.
A couple years ago a bookstore manager at a large chain left out any Christian display from the window, but included Jewish and Islamic ones. When asked why he did it he had some sort of lame answer about not wanting to be divisive. I think there is something sort of insidious about the move to scrub Christianity out of the culture, for example, the rise of the new P.C. greeting, “Happy Holidays” instead of Merry Christmas.
Happy Holidays is no new. I remember it from the 1950s. Even a song.
Original by Bing Crosby.
Oh gosh. You brought up Santa Monica.
During Thanksgiving dinner, where I was such a good girl and got along with everyone, my mother exclaimed over her turkey and gravy, Oh those “Atheists! Did you hear about what’s happening in Santa Monica? And, I knew and told her I had read the story and that she’s just going to have to get over it, and then my sister who’s partner is Muslim and who kept his mouth shut, maybe he was chewing, she just changed the subject and off we went in another direction.
First, I wish it were a separation of church and state movement, instead of an atheist movement.
Second, there are much larger fish to fry than scenes in a park. For one thing, how about no more National Prayer Day? Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter are already federal holidays. How many federal religious holidays and observances does it take for the U.S. to be a theocracy?
How about prayers in Congress. How about adding so help me God in the Presidential oath prescribed by the Constitution, even though the Constitution does not contain those words? How about “under God” in the pledge of allegiance? And, most of all, how about the exemption of churches from federal, state and local taxes?
Third, there are many court cases on religious displays on public property, including, specifically, Christmas displays in parks, though none that I know of involved a lottery. They are dumbass cases, IMO. They say that, if you are going to have a nativity display, it cannot be the only display. You have to have secular symbols and symbols of other religions. However, Santa is considered a secular symbol.
However, if the atheists won the lottery, so be it. But, they should be prepared next year for the Christians to organize and win–and they will organize.
So?
It’s private property. He has a right to put up whatever religious display he chooses on private property or none at all. And, you have the right not to patronize his store if it bothers you. But, you do not have a right to decide what he displays on his private property, anymore than he has a right to decide what you display on yours.
Why is that answer lame?
I think there is something
The end of the years includes celebration of Halloween, Thanksgiving, Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, Christmas, Kwanza and sometimes Ramadan. Is saying only “Merry Christmas” your insidious attempt to scrub all of those out of the culture? If not, why do attribute insidious intent to people who try to include everyone?
I believe the author means “theists”, not “deists”.
Beyond that, I don’t think you can have real Christmas in Mediterranean climates like Southern California and Palestine anyway.
I came to Canada in ’57. I had to take religion in public school. Teachers were shocked that I knew the Bible and didn’t believe. All religions (mostly) were taught in Denmark as myths. We were encouraged to learn how religions were taught and to accept them.
Maybe they could learn those lessons too.
I don’t get the anti manger xtian manger XMAS story scenes.
I think they are kewl, look fine, and well, Xmas IS the story of a religious cult’s Founder . . . let it be told in XMAS!
Frankly, I don’t get why Mohommed don’t get more 633 AD manger time, or palace time . .
Where are the Bhudda shrines for XMAS?
It’s all nonesense, this bullshit quibbling, when the reality is that the human race is killing itself, still, here in THIS country and many others thanks to our military XMAS Spirit, due to idiotic racist, misogynist and homophobic principles ingrained in all religions and into all cultures.
I need a bumper sticker of the kid peeing on the kid peeing on the bumpersticker of the manger suppor.
Gimme a break, this is non issue, it’s bullshit, it’s a fabricated buncha shit that has NOTHING to do with PC equality.
It’s all about little people pissin on each other, in a time of joy and family and caring, which is something NO ONE cares enough fucking about the rest of the year, here in the USA or anywhere else.
Fucking hoomans got a lot to learn before they lose it all.
And if the masses don’t get it together, it will, all be lost . . . c’mon hoomans, get yer shit together.
Harumph.
One of the smartest young girls I ever knew, and her family, were Danes.
They were so well educated I had little to quibble with them when I came to courting their daughter here in the USA. And I was from a VERY social liberal open minded parentage and multi-cultural upbringing in SE Asia.
Other than my general intentions for their daughter that is. Man, they were TOUGH on that one.
And sadly to say, I messed that up. But vowed, I’d never do so again.
N didn’t. Proud to say. Love them Danes . . . still.
Really, a generic seasonal greeting that makes it clear that the person saying it does not know what your religious beliefs are and is not going to assume you are some idiot who doesn’t know enough about your religion to know that it was purposely moved to a time with multiple celebrations to hide in plain sight so that it was always surrounded by other “holidays” is some means to erase Christianity from society and so you are going to be offended because you are no longer treated as the only game in the town?
I don’t know who whine more, the investment class who think that pointing out that they caused the crash and have special privileges they neither deserve nor should be allowed to keep, or Christians who have finally realized that one of their biggest holidays has little or no to do with its reason for being having been co-opted by the retail sector for its own profits and now blames those who are being polite and inclusive.
My Xmas spirit is in the fridge. Want a snort ?
Oh no! Firedoggers worried that greeting your fellow human beings with “Happy Holidays!” somehow tarnishes the spirit of x-mas! Hasn’t Bill O’Reilly been covering this phoney “death of x-mas” thing for the last decade?
On x-mas morning, expect to find falafel in your stocking and O’Reilly in your shower!