In this morning’s New York Times, Eric Schmitt has a front page article about the Afghan prisons. I was elated that the article made the front page, and doubly elated that right there, in front of god and everybody, they quoted something of the real extent of the U.S. problem with indefinite detention and torture: Three dozen prisons holding 15,000 prisoners.
Oh, and by the way, Admiral Mullen wants them fixed up because, "It is essential to who we are as a fighting force that we get this right. We are better than what I saw in those pictures."
Yes, you heard right, "those pictures". Those would be the very same ones that President Obama is fighting to keep from releasing. Yet another clue as to what their content is.
Nowhere in the article is there any question of the use of prisons in Afghanistan at all. Barbara Olshansky, a lawyer who is litigating the habeas corpus claims of some of the Bagram prisoners for International Justice Network, said at one of her public talks that before the U.S. entered Afghanistan in 2001, there were 600 prisoners in the whole country. Now, even the New York Times can count, and the U.S. military can admit, there are 15,000. But they’ve imported yet another guy from the Iraq War to apply yet another solution from Iraq to yet another problem in Afghanistan.
The article is based on a report by Maj.Gen. Douglas Stone, who has experience reforming prisons in Iraq. His biggest recommendation is to separate the extremist prisoners from the general population so they can’t spread terrorist militancy, and they will build another brand new prison to do that. Gee, the last brand new prison they built, at Pol-e-Charki, now has 4,300 prisoners, including those shipped there from Bagram and Guantanamo, in the Bush administration move’em or lose’em program when the Supreme Court started writing on the wall.
So what is wrong in Afghanistan? The place is like the discussions in the Obama administration about indefinite detention and closing pariah prison sites, writ large. What has always been wrong there was the failure to understand the difference between military and civilian. The prisoners are not clearly delineated between military and civilian prisoners, they are not charged in large numbers, the whole effort there has military and civilian parts which are not distinguished, there are two militaries operating with different mandates, and parts of the prison system are run by any of the armies, including the U.S., NATO, and the ANA. When you mix the mission of the police with the mission of the military, there is a name for the consequences — most countries call it either martial law or military rule.
But early on, the Germans, who had the job of building up the police, thought by many to be the most crucial task towards fixing a failed state, underfunded it and didn’t do it, because it looks nowhere near as good as handing out food to refugees on European TV. So the police are corrupt, and the military runs prisons (source: Ahmed Rashid, Descent Into Chaos). And the current thing in the South, which Admiral Mullen and General Stone are worried will bring a fresh wave of prisoners, isn’t pure military, or shouldn’t be, either. It’s about drugs and money (sources, Ahmed Rashid, Descent into Chaos, Gretchen Peters, Seeds of Terror). And crime families who hire militants. There are many parts to helping a fractured country regain stability. But they won’t work right if they are put in a blender and mixed up until they can’t be separated one from another. The other famous place where military and police missions are hopelessly entwined is in the Israeli occupied territories. It’s so screwed up that nobody knows what the applicable law is anymore, and there hasn’t been anything anyone would lovingly claim as peace.
So why are we doing this? I think that one reason is that we Americans love prisons. No, really. America invented the use of prisons for criminal punishment in the early 19th century. Adam Liptak, the chief legal correspondent for the New York Times, recently wrote a book on it. But he didn’t somehow read what Stuart Grassian wrote about American solitary confinement. So he didn’t know that in addition to people from all over Europe coming to America in the 1840′s to see the bold new experiment, there were also the Charles Dickenses who wrote about people driven mad by extreme isolation. Now we are convinced that the rule of law means lots of imprisonment. In some countries, they don’t believe this. Afghanistan has traditionally been one of them. Iraq has not. But prisons are us, so we will gladly import what works in Iraq to the people of Afghanistan. And make believe we can do something there in separating the truly bad guys from the rest, that we’ve never been able to do in our own prisons. Even with 2 million prisoners to test it on.
I guess charity isn’t the only thing that begins at home.



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The presence of Stanley McChrystal certainly doesn’t help this situation.
You really hit the most salient point in your last para. Simplistic, selfish minds are not interested in fairness and justice only retribution and banishment. So, we invade another country and culture and instead of trying to understand how the culture works so we can find solutions that work in that culture, we brashly expect them to think and act like we do. Even better would be to understand the culture before invading. Not to mention having an exit plan.
My ideas must be too radical to even be considered. See how simplistic Americans can be and still are.
I think there’s a good case to be made that using prisons for everything doesn’t work, even here in the country of origin. It’s by far our nastiest export. I don’t know about internationally, but nationally the Prison Industry is one of the strongest lobbyists in Washington. We blithely ignore repeated criticisms of human rights abuses. If we are intent on becoming a country mostly known for prisons, we are doing a good job. But it isn’t hard to see why someone else would say, “No, thanks.”
Too bad those arrogant settlers didn’t pay attention to how many Native American tribes handled punishment and rehabilitation. The concept of rehabilitation is what is missing in most of our prisons. There are some enlightened states and wardens, particularly in women prisons, who now realize the importance to our society of rehabilitation and the increased problems, not solutions, that come from retribution and inhumanity. Sen. Jim Webb is seriously looking for congressional solutions and should be strongly supported including our insane drug wars that must stop by legalizing some drugs.
Recommended. Good to ’see’ you here, Ondelette.
Can’t the Deciders look at the trap of GITMO and see that they can expect the same outcome in Afghanistan (or anywhere else)? Seems they have decided to leap onto the back of an even bigger tiger. And, like GITMO, they can never try or release all these inmates many of whom are guilty of nothing. BTW, I question the total prisoners for back when closing GITMO was at its highest fever the total estimated prisoners was around 20,000 and I’m sure the number has increased since then. This bunch doesn’t lie any better than Rummy’s bunch did.
Is the objective to kill or imprison everyone in Afghanistan/Pakistan but the elite, corrupt toadies, giving the US total control over all minerals, water, and most important of all any pipeline routes across Afghanistan?
I’m sure that you’re aware of the recent agreements among China, Russia, India, Pakistan, and Iran on the pipelines. IMO that is what brought on this latest rain of death on the Afghan people.
I am well aware that my opinion matters less than the proverbial ‘tinker’s damn’.
The ICRC listed 12,800 at the end of 2008. BTW, while I was looking for an answer, I found this:
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/si…..endocument
Apparently, Afghanistan has now acceded to the 1977 Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions. Everybody is signing treaties like crazy, Pakistan signed the CAT and ICCPR after they got rid of Musharraf. And Afghanistan acceded to the Rome Statute several years ago.
So the prison reform may be coming as a result of people not wanting to get busted for war crimes.
Ondelette, the news at your link @4 is wonderful! Afghanistan’s recent agreements to Protocol I and II under Geneva is probably what forced Mullin and McCrystal to speak of waging a war in Afghanistan less brutal to detainees and civilians recently. We’ll see what they actually do and then deny.
Do you know if Afghanistan signed on to the ICC?
Anyone who has read Michner’s books, The Source and The Haj can have a glimpse into the highly intelligent mind and skill at intrigue these ancient peoples possess. It is ludicrous that our self-important upstarts think they can outsmart them.
O/T: Any news on Dr. Aafia Siddiqui? I’ve been searching for the outcome of her last court hearing but can’t find anything new.
I’m so proud of you and appreciative for all your work, Ondelette.
Dr. Siddiqui will have a trial on Oct 19th if her lawyer is not successful in declaring her mentally ill. Her assigned lady lawyer is not properly defending Aafia. Aafia is not mentally ill and if she is declared as such, she will be medicated and disappeared forever. There is a ten and an eleven minute video made after her last hearing. I don’t think you saw my last two comments to you at Jim’s Torturing Justice diary because you did not respond.
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“ISLAMABAD: The case of a Pakistani neuroscientist, Aafia Siddiqui, can be taken to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) under the Pak-US Treaty of Friendship and Commerce signed in 1959, as the government has failed to secure her repatriation diplomatically, says her counsel Barrister Iqbal Jafree. “
http://www.draafia.org/2009/07…..ys-lawyer/
http://www.draafia.org/2009/07…..ia-6-july/
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6177#Respond
As if the very fact of being imprisoned in such large numbers will not have its own effect and perhaps create more “terrorist militancy” out of whole cloth.
Thank you, ondelette, for continuing to provide more and better context for these issues.
Excellent piece Ondolette.
I guess if you separate group a, those who are already extremists in response to a course and pattern of US warrantless arrests and detentions with pre-trial punishment and abuse and trafficking in humans for exploitation from group b, those who are only now being the subject of warrantless arrests and detentions with pre-trial punishment and abuse and trafficking in humans for exploitation – the likelihood of group b becoming “extremists” based upon how they are treated vs what they hear is, almost nil. Right?
Kudos for making the front page, ondelette!