This morning at Netroots Nation in Minneapolis White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer was openly and lustily booed at his Q&A session with bloggers and activists. Even Kalli Joy Gray (Angry Mouse) of the Great Orange Satan got in on it by demanding to know why the President lied about his position on gay marriage during the 2008 campaign.
Open hostility toward administration mouthpieces was not something I expected at this conference. Grumbling in private, sure, but I really didn’t expect this kind of hostility.
Gaps in support for the Democratic ticket were apparent last night when most of the speakers leading up to Russ Feingold’s keynote made mention of “angst” or lack of enthusiasm for the president. Howard Dean treated the angst at some length but concluded by saying that of course he was supporting the president (but that’s not the real fight, according to the doctor). Randi Weingarten of AFT also alluded to a lack of energy.
As I write this I am sitting on the floor, against a wall, at a panel run by Jeremy Bird, the energetic, skinny, fast talking and delusional Field Director that is running the Obama 2012 field operation. Just a few minutes ago someone openly asked him what reasons the campaign will be giving people to vote for them again.
The questioner specifically said that people do not see the president fighting, and asked what the campaign can possibly tell people. Bird challenged her premise, spouting platitudes like (and I’m paraphrasing here, but certain terms are original) “young people are excited and see the change in their lives“, “we need to listen to what our volunteers are saying”, “we need to talk about jobs and focus on the economy”. Bird even used the phrase “we need to keep honing our message” three times in the answer.
Another question was asked regarding the campaign’s fundraising. We’re all familiar with the president’s coterie of extraordinarily wealthy friends that tell him what to do. However, this questioner said he received an email from OFA saying that the fundraising strategy was based on “not taking money from fat cats” and he wanted to know why he is still reading about Obama taking money from fat cats and Wall Street in the newspaper.
Bird again gave an answer that doesn’t address the real issue. He repeats the “no PAC or lobbyist money” claptrap. He specifically calls out that the President didn’t have to refuse the PAC and lobbyist money, and mentions that the DNC is subject to the same self imposed rules. No real answer that squares the claims of the campaign to be eschewing money from fat cats while taking money from fat cats.
One questioner just asked “when did change we can believe in become hold the line?” Large swaths of self-identifying Obama supporters in this room are deeply skeptical it appears.
Pfeiffer’s disastrous session this morning (yeah, it was pretty fucking ugly) and Bird’s relentless focus on the nuts and bolts process of organizing without addressing the campaign’s biggest weaknesses or the philosophical questions of their own supporters spells trouble. The dam is starting to crack even among the president’s most ardent supporters.
Unless the president does something to make people’s lives better between now and fall of 2012 I have a tough time imagining what could mitigate the draining of support from his coalition.
*Assuming the President thinks that he even has friends here in the first place, or knows that the convention exists. After all, we’re just a bunch of fucking retarded DFH’s.



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Appreciate your update on what’s happening. Recommended.
With friends like you, the President doesn’t need enemies. Obviously your cup is filled with holes. You are missing all of the good information and only keeping the negativity. Why did you bother to go if you aren’t supporting President Obama’s re-election? Supporters like you cause me great concern.
I’m not a supporter. He’s worse than Bush and I want him thrown out on his ass. There was a time I was a supporter but that was before we found out that the only people the president cares about are his banker friends and other elites that are in the club.
Maybe if the President doesn’t want enemies like me he can stop lying about gay marriage, or the public option, or all the crimes of his administration. Maybe he could prosecute even one banker, just one. Or maybe, just maybe, he could create some fucking jobs.
I went to the session because I was interested in what the campaign had to say for itself. I expected Bird to be ridiculous. What I did not expect was for so many people to be openly questioning even the rationale of the campaign. Half the questions were some variation of “give me a why”, and that was stunning.
I met a media consultant guy earlier named Joel (I can’t remember his last name, he was with Jane) and he pointed out that it appears the biggest thing to come from this con is a possible wake up call to the president for how lackluster his support is. I couldn’t agree with him more, but I can’t see what the president could do to get me back. I’ve been thrown under the bus too many times.
Yes thanks for the update. I’m glad to hear progressives are standing up for Progressive values even if it means standing up the Democratic presidential campaign.
@Jo AnnB, NN11 isn’t an democratic campaign. All sorts of progressives go to this that do not support the president. Supporting Obama’s re-election is not a pre-requisite to being a progressive
Heh, sounds like you’re having a better time and are less, what’s the word, “alone” than perhaps you thought you might be, eh?
I met that Jeremy Bird in CO in 2009. Blergh.
Yeah, I’m having a decent time today. And I’m much less alone than I thought at the con. Mea culpa.
Meeting Jane was a thrill. For me that’s like a 13 year old girl meeting Justin Bieber, without the idol worship :)
“With friends like you, the President doesn’t need enemies.”
We’re not his friends. If he doesn’t need enemies, why does he keep acting in ways that will generate MORE enemies?
“Obviously your cup is filled with holes.”
Those holes are Obama’s broken promises. Gitmo. Evesdropping. Rule of Law. Yemen. Libya. Afgahnistan. Iraq. Just not much cup left.
“You are missing all of the good information ”
His support of the auto industry was good as is his belated support of DOMA repeal. When it’s raining bullcrap from all directions, it’s tough to stop and smell the roses.
“Why did you bother to go if you aren’t supporting President Obama’s re-election? ”
Perhaps because we’re hoping for something better? Reality check: Right now, the ONLY reason Obama is doing anything the least bit progressive is to try to get just enough of us to go to the polls and vote for him. Once he’s re-elected, we will have NOTHING he wants. And if you think the last years were revolting, wait until you see what happens when he doesn’t need the average voter any more.
“Supporters like you cause me great concern”
We should, because we’d peel off and WORK for a challenger from the left if only one would appear.
Boxturtle (It’s good to see at least one solid Obama supporter here. We need the diversity of viewpoint)
Ahahahahahahahaha! That’s one of the best boxturtle sigs I’ve seen.
“Why did you bother to go if you aren’t supporting President Obama’s re-election?”
The answer to that is obviously that the event is supposed to be a progressive event. So what the fuck are Obomba supporters doing there?
what about this? Is this true?
“Leon Panetta, President Barack Obama’s choice to head the Pentagon, predicted on Thursday that Iraq will ask the United States to keep some American forces in that country beyond year’s end, the current departure date. …
“I think it’s clear to me that Iraq is considering the possibility of making a request for some kind of presence to remain there,” Panetta said, adding that it was contingent on what Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki requests. “I have every confidence that a request like that is something that I think will be forthcoming at some point.”
Panetta told the Senate Armed Services Committee that there are about 1,000 al-Qaida insurgents in Iraq and the situation is fragile. “I believe that we should take whatever steps are necessary to make sure that we protect whatever progress we’ve made there,” he said.”
yes, that is what he said.
wow, if Iraq does request the US to stay, it would only be because Obama put enough pressure on them to do so. Another reason why progressives should not support Obama. The US staying past this year would be a disaster (and would only serve the interests of certain corporations).
Well and consider that units like the MN National Guard that formerly went to Iraq are being sent back supposedly to Kuwait. Is Kuwait at war? Why are they deployed in Kuwait? So they aren’t counted as being in Iraq where I assume they are to spend most of their time.
I’m sick of the lies. At least Bush didn’t pretend he wasn’t sending them to Iraq.
Yeah, you know that Maliki’s domestic political situation would be greatly improved by losing all those U.S. troops. Obama must have driven a hard bargain.
So at least we know he’s capable.
Obomba. O-bomb-a. I’m stealing that dude. It’s the new “The Grifter”.
Thanks, one_outer. Am delighted to know that the Obama guy was given a hard time. They need to understand that Progressives are not with them this time. The old “fool me once…..” is in full play and we are not going to forget how we were conned.
It seems to me that the good information or news, from this administration is whats missing. Supporters like you cause me great concern. He does not have a progressive agenda, therefore he does not have my support.
My privilege, dude. We won’t get fooled again this time, will we?
x2. Thx one-outer.
Nice write-up:
“Jeremy Bird, the energetic, skinny, fast talking and delusional Field Director that is running the Obama 2012 field operation…”
Ha!
I agree w/Twain, they need to understand we’re paying attention
and we won’t get fooled by their bogus ‘branding’.
“Honing our message” gimme a break!
I wonder what it would take to institute ballots with a box for None of the Above? Probably be the largest vote total in a lot of elections.
he said it when he appeared before the senate armed services committee. yesterday, I think.
It’s pretty obvious that someone with some serious clout, really wants the USA to stay in Iraq.
Obama is not acting much like someone who wants to get re-elected.
Zing!
Not I. As for “we,” I certainly hope not. Better a Republican than Obama. At least they don’t pretend to champion our causes and then betray us.
one_outer? Friend of Obama? Your ignorance is showing, oh presumptive Obamabot. You can go away now.
Mahalo, one outer…! It’s telling that the MSM is covering parts of the NN meetup… Both, Tweety and CNN’s John King ran clips of Pfeiffer’s flop…! ;-)
Btw, props to all those who chased Breitbart outta there…
Breitbart crashes Netroots Nation, is Confronted
Amen. Great post outer!
Why was the Obama camp even allowed a place to recruit for their platform of aggressive war and cutbacks against the workers and poor?
My answer, because this was a Democratic Party affair, with keynote and closing speakers coming from the Democratic Party.
This is going to be a hell of a year (with emphasis on “hell”), as the pressure to back Obama, the incumbent, builds throughout the year.
“What, you’ll let Romney/Palin/GOP hopeful take the White House and ratchet up the wars, keep the tax cuts, bail out the fat cats… oh, yeah, that’s all okay, as long as our progressive president is in charge.”
Obama has made it clear that he hates y’all and your “progressive agenda”. Tell him to piss off.
Jeff, remember that this is a Markos sponsored event…! You know that Obummer’s minions will be ‘featured’ prominently…!
Tho, I’ll bet ya Markos is none too thrilled with the overt hostility shown to Obummer’s henchmen…! ;-)
2012 is going to be a tough year for Obama, but he did it to himself. No one wanted him to act like a Republican, but he insisted on it, and he`ll pay the price. And if he thinks it`s just the self-identified `left` of the people that voted for him that`s disgusted with him, he really is deluded.
Don’t fall for OBombma’s half-hearted, cynical tricks to woo back Progressive voters. It is clear that he does not represent any of our interests (quite aggressively), and in addition hates and lambasts progressives publically every chance that he gets.
In fact, he seems to take glee at pursuing a pro-War, pro-Bush, pro-Cheney Necon Foreign policy, and legitimizing the same damn anti-Civil-Liberties, pro-War-Crimes policies with no end in sight. And he thinks it is great to Bailout Wall-Street crooks and give them bonuses with our Tax money, while simultaneosuly appointing a Deficit committee composed only of enemies of the Social Security program.
Face it, Obama is much worse than John McCain, or any other GOP President because our own Party has become paralyzed and voiceless as these criminal and insane policies are promoted – since Obama is allegedly a “Democrat” (who worships Ronald Reagan and hates Dennis Kucinich?).
We need to throw this bum, and betrayer out on his ass and boo him right off the stage into the waiting arms of Goldman Sachs or Halliburton where he will reappear again as a consultant within 2 years.
I’m voting for Ron Paul. He’ll end the Wars and violence, stop the Trillions of dollars wasted overseas, and restore the Bill of Rights back again, and that has to be step number 1 in bringing our Country back into something I can possibly respect once again. Without that…there can be nothing else anyway.
I’ve never voted Republican in my life, but will vote for Romney over Obama. What’s the difference between the two? None.
Dude…it’s late, I just looked at that video you posted, and I’ll be goddamned if I didn’t just walk right by that when it happened. I was on a mission to get to the Obama thing I blogged and didn’t recognize him. Assumed the crowd was for some politician.
I saw myself walk through the background as well, which was kinda cool.
Why does he have any friends at all. Obama is an absurd backstabbing fraud.
Don’t forget to mention those who graduated from Harvard. That seems to be one of his requirements especially for all his Republican friends–It’s ok if you are a Republican if you’ve graduated from Harvard.
I dont’ think that Net Roots will wake up Obama. He is far too arrogant.
very good question hotdog. The Obama team are “progressive” when they want our votes.
What REALLY cracks me up is that Bill Clinton sometimes refers to himself as a “progressive” what a joke.
Thanks for the report. I guess the only thing I can logically conclude is that they haven’t learned a fucking thing from their massive defeat in 2010, that despite Rahm’s absence, the contempt for liberals hasn’t changed and that “we suck less” is still their only strategy. Nice
Recommended.
I saw the perfect bumper sticker the other day. It simply said “George W Obama”.
I want one….
Lanny Davis referred to himself as a Progressive. When Ed Schultz let him get away with it, I stopped watching his show.
Netroots Nation has always been about creating a movement for change, not sycophantically supporting whatever (fake) “Democrat” the party decides to run. That’s what the Democratic National Convention is for. Maybe it’s you who doesn’t understand it’s purpose.
The Weiner atrocity did it for me. I am gone. I have been a Labor Democrat all my life. I am gone. I will not vote for Obama.
We aren’t teapublicans
We don’t march agains our own interests
We’re progressives, not cultists
Obama has been punching hippies and shivving the progressive movement in the back
With supporters like me he doesn’t need enemies? That’s because I AM his enemy. I don’t want this chameleon to get reelected
This ass squandered every opprotunity handed to him on a silver platter that he could make using bi-partysanship as an excuse
He used bi partisanship to pass **** that even BUSH couldn’t get support for
I don’t want bi partisanship, I want **** to get done
You can’t be bipartisan with people that want us to go back to a system even LESS equal than dickensian england
Obama is a scumbag and a terrible person
If you’re one of his cultists, good luck, but I don’t want that smug prick in office another second
She’s just a Hot Fudge Sundae of Fabulousness, drenched in Awesome Sauce, isn’t she?
That’s why this is so stunning: Pfeiffer thought he was stepping into an Amen Corner. Instead, it was a buzzsaw.
Yes, there are still lots of Booster Clubbers at this event. But not as many as you’d think. Even a lot of the Democratic politicians there are all but openly hostile to Obama. (One of the hot items there is a a white-on-black button that reads “WTF”, with the words “win” inside the W, “the” inside the T, and “future” inside the F, in rather nice and bitterly ironic take on Obama’s latest empty slogan. I asked someone where he’d got his, and he said “Darcy Burner”.)
“Tho, I’ll bet ya Markos is none too thrilled with the overt hostility shown to Obummer’s henchmen…!”
Don’t be too sure about that. ;-)
That’s what we’ve been doing. (See also: Choi, Dan, and Aravosis, John.)
How could President Obama expect respect from Liberals or Progressives after betraying us so consistently? (On health care, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc.)
Strange and sad that Howard Dean said that he would support the President anyway. Didn’t people once think of Dean as Liberal? And if he were Liberal or Progressive, he obviously couldn’t support Obama: The President claims that he is above the law: Above the War Powers Act; he even claims that he allowed to order the murder of Muslims.
There IS a word for that political philosophy, and that word isn’t Liberal or Progressive. It’s Fascist.
And at the event the inept spokesperson again specified that the rationale for US actions & inactions in the Middle East is determined by what is in “our interest.” That explains why the President continues to support the institution of Slavery in Bahrain, where 56% of the people are slaves mainly from India. (Does anyone else find it ironic that our first Black President is also our first Pro-Slavery President since before Lincoln?) The rationale for Slavery has always been monetary interests. I find it unacceptable.
The funny thing is that they didn’t try to stave off the Citizens United debacle because — get this — they thought it would help them. Now they’re like deer in the headlights, paralyzed, as the corporate money flows like a torrent to the GOP.
Thanks for the report! I am following all this -as are all ‘pups, I am sure- with great interest. Things are shifting on the ground. People *are* waking up. People are asking the right questions.
Part of the arc of what is happening now -because of Obama 2008- is the learning about the difference between pr and truth and action. It’s become so blatant. These communications are paid for communication. Not policy or action. And what they do is never more -as far as I can tell, even in business- than glorified spin. It’s very damaging when the underlying platform/foundation is weak or nonexistent. And the truth is in modern politics, many people seem to think it’s necessary to have communications but not necessary to have a viable platform!!
And political communications and organizing is now BIG business. So you can look at it and explain it in the same ways that we analyze the military indicustrial complex.
Hell, here in Canada, I detected it -in the language on the news via the political spin machine- the month that Bush communications people were hired by the Canadian federal conservatives, before I even imagined that such a thing would be considered ‘cricket.’ I mean, aren’t there CANADIAN political consultants? And THAT scared me, I can tell you. Lying has become a high art and big business.
And these American consultants are hired by politicians around the world!
Yup. They are idiots.
Yeah, there’s definitely a vibe of questioning the rationale going forward that I didn’t expect. I’ll be spending a little time at dKos in the next few weeks, lurking, just to see the tone of the conversation post-con. Who knows? Maybe most of them will come around and there will be a nice little FDL/Kos detente in the next year. Given what a hack Markos is I don’t think that would be official, but there could be a lot of convergence between the community opinion on the two sites.
I’ll be blogging another session later today and I think tomorrow or Monday I’m going to do a post-con write up. Right now the biggest story of the con, in my opinion, is how surprisingly lukewarm even the orange sataners are towards the big O.
Me, too. I don’t see how anyone who hates war and murder could do otherwise.
I’m sick of all these people using racism as an excuse for not voting Ron Paul. Two quotes concerning African Americans:
“Today, I think inner-city folks and minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs. For instance, Blacks make up 14% of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63% of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. This has to change.”
–Ron Paul
and:
“We need fathers to realize that responsibility doesn’t just end at conception. That doesn’t just make you a father. What makes you a man is not the ability to have a child. Any fool can have a child. That doesn’t make you a father. It’s the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.”
–Barack Obama, pushing the myth of the absent black father.
Who’s the racist? Hint: not the one locking up a disproportionate amount of blacks for minor drug offenses and sending brown men of Arabic descent to prison indefinitely without trial on trumped up charges.
I can’t understand why anyone would not vote for the only candidate that is anti-war, pro-Constitution, anti-NAFTA, and anti-FED. The excuses people make for not voting for him sound childish and insincere. For shame. Ending the wars is the overriding issue, and there is only one candidate who wants to do that.
“Obama is not acting much like someone who wants to get re-elected.”
Good. I don’t need to be listening to empty rhetoric and false promises for the next 18 months.
I got sucked in by that “hopey changy” thing once, never again
Wonderful report, thank you so much for carrying the progressive banner. I can’t imagine the worshipfulness Team Obama expected at NN11, but it’s great to hear that people are waking up.
I’ve realized that with a GOP president, then Congressional Democrats would speak out against the horror Obama is perpetrating here and abroad. With Obama in the White House, they are muzzled.
So whatcha gonna do about it? My notion is that you urge the New Progressive Alliance to run a candidate in the Dem primaries. Whether a big name or not.
Fact is, the ballot access requirements for a primary challenger are modest compared to those for a primary race. We can do it. The trick is to get united around this. Otherwise, Obama blows us off again.
Teddy, you’ve been called many things. This puts it to rest.
Actually, I was working off the assumption that since they sent fucking Dan Pfeiffer to talk to us they were expecting less than adoration.
Thanks for the kind words Ted!
then the dems will move to the right some more to get your vote. Vote green or socialist. Same with Ron Paul who is awful on all issues but war and the fed.
lesser evil voting since ron paul is a right winger on all but two issues. if will not vote for obummer because we dont believe in lesser evil how can you possibly justify a vote for paul who is antichoice, and profreetrade, antisocial security and a global warming denier.
Vote green socialist or left independent if you want to tell the democratsts to move to the left.
Yeah. Pfeiffer’s about as much of a fuck-you to the DFHs as anyone I can imagine. It’s almost as if they dared the Booster Clubbers among the attendees to stay loyal after this.
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Wrong information.
Ron Paul is against NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA, etc. These are not “free” trade or open trade, but managed trade agreements for the benefit of Multinational Corporations and their profits (at the expense of American jobs and wages).
Ron Paul has said many times that he wants to stop all the wasteful (and criminal) Foreign Occupations, stop all the Trillions of dollars spent (wasted) overseas (on Tyranny), and use all that savings to get the deficit under control. Unlike Obama and the mainstream GOP, he does not want to keep all the War Profiteering going, and cut social security. After it all it was Obama who created and appointed the “catfood” commission that was composed exclusively of opponents of social security.
Ron Paul wants to cut the overseas spending first, cut the Wars first, bring back our Civil Liberties and freedoms again, and prosecute Wall Street looting rather than subsidize it with your tax money.
By doing those things, we will actually save social security. But by staying on the Bankrupt course that Obama wants … there will be no choice but to gut social security (and Obama will be the first to support the effort).
It’s time that you realize that Obama’s War on the Left has no Exit Strategy here. Only Libertarian Ron Paul will bring about an end to the Wars, and the crony-Corporatism, the endless looting, and the Orwellian Fascism that dominates our Government today.
Ron Paul is also, unlike Obama, very eager to join forces with true progressives like Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders to bring about true and meaningful reforms, and honest government. It is time to get behind the last chance to cut the Banksters and War Profiteers down to size, by the one politician who actually has the guts to really do it.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwIZ4syCFLc
I’m glad people are beginning to realize that Party “labels” mean nothing.
Obama is not a Democrat at all. It’s time people wake-up and realize that Obama’s War on the Left has no Exit Strategy.. Unlike Obama:
Ron Paul would not prosecute Bradley Manning.
Ron Paul would not BOMB Libya.
Ron Paul would not Invade Countries.
Ron Paul would not continue all these failed Froeign Occupations.
Ron Paul would not Bail out Corporate Crooks and Banksters.
Ron Paul would not continue with NAFTA.
Ron Paul would not have Human Torture sites.
Ron Paul would not suspend Habeas Corpus.
Ron Paul would not crack-down on medical marijuana
Ron Paul would not endorse and promote CIA Assassinations
Ron Paul would not Bankrupt the Country.
Ron Paul would promote peace, re-establish our Civil Liberties, legalize drugs, and shine the big spotlight on the elite Central Bank Monopoly crooks, and their crimes that impoverish our Country and destroy the purchasing power of the U.S. Dollar. He would give us honest, humane, open, and law-abiding government once again, and by no longer wasting all those Trillions of dollars overseas anymore — we’d then be in position to save social security.
But Obama will never do that. Obama will drive this Country into War Debt so high that there will be no choice left but to gut social security with him. That’s why the Party labels mean nothing here.
Ron Paul offers the chance to have a real Republic again, where the Wall Streeters and War Profiteers are finally kicked out, and their corrupt voices are the ones that are not coddled — but ignored. It’s time that our Country finally gets to see that!
Bullshit, I’ve never heard Paul refer to any of the progressives your talking about joining forces with them. I want that idiot son of his farther away from the White House not hanging around it. Son of a bitch couldn’t make a good dog catcher.
I just returned from Netroot Nation.
Each and every SPEAKER there were Obama apologists (including Feingold and Van Jones, I might add) but the vast majority of people there were NOT.
Daily KOS will probably be really angry about that.
On the other hand, I handed out hundreds of New Progressive Alliance bumper stickers. They were very well received.
It is not our fault that Obama and the DNC and DLC have sold out. We are just a response to it.
Don’t worry -
Obama does not give a damn about the discontent of some of the base – they “have no place to go”. Seems Scott Brown’s Mass election where 800,000 Dems stayed home to show unhappiness with the non-progressive health insurance reform did not make an impression.
Obama has shown how unimportant it is to have a Democrat as President when the name is Obama – better to focus on Congress and the states.
I don’t know what he could do at this point. I wouldn’t trust any promises he makes at this point, it would be purely for the campaign and we know that means: we go back under that bus right after the election.
Trust lost is nearly impossible to regain.
“Bullshit, I’ve never heard Paul refer to any of the progressives your talking about joining forces with them”
Fail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYXVD7uBU2s
Excellent report.
Thanks.
Recommended and tweeted.
Thanks for the post and all the commenters’ views. Sadly, I now view politics–both left and right–with great cynicism. I’ve looked at the New Progressive Alliance website, and feel more in-tune with their positions, but cynically believe they cannot grow fast enough to affect 2012. And if I don’t let the authors at FDL know how much they are appreciated, consider this my THANK YOU!
You obviously didn’t watch the video that I posted, but this is the typical faux-Left, pro-Neocon, pro-Obama pro-status-quo response.
All you guys ever do is lineup to protect the War Profiteers, the Bank Crooks, and cheerlead the mass corruption, mass-murder, and Bankruptcy that OBomba brings you each and every day. As I said before, Obama’s War On The Left Has No Exit Strategy. Will you ever get it?
No thanks. I won’t be fooled again. With Ron Paul we’ll actually have a Country where truth-telling is no longer a crime, War is no longer “peace”, Wall Street Crooks are no longer allowed to loot your money, things like NAFTA and “The Patriot Act” are cancelled, and where marijauna is no longer a crime and human torture is no longer exempt from prosecution.
I really look forward to that day, but it will never happen with 4 more horrific years of oBOMBa and his Neocon & Goldman Sachs buddies.
Whether or not the NPA can affect 2012 is an open question. The point is to put an organization in place that can affect change for the long haul. The left’s obsession with getting a quick fix is one of its major weaknesses, but there is no quick fix. Hence when one is proposed, it is properly excoriated. But the NPA is attempting something different.
Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be able to vote for someone who has said he wants to end Social Security and Medicare because he doesn’t believe in them. I respect the man, he is what he is, and he sticks to his principles, but I don’t believe I could vote for him for president. Would certainly be willing to partner with him on specific issues in front of Congress though.
Who was it though who created, appointed, and then even defended the “catfood” Commission when the rest of Congress would not do so?
Answer: Barack Obama (no friend of Social Security).
In stark contrast, Ron Paul has said many times that he wants to focus on first cutting Trillions of dollars in Overseas spending, and cutting out the Corporate Welfare (theft of Taxpayer’s money). By doing these things we will save Trillions of dollars of waste, fraud, and blood-money, and then actaully be in a position to save Social Security and Medicare. But it won’t happen if we reelect Obama.
Ron Paul, unlike the GOP Establishment or Obama, is on record for not wanting to gut Social Security but instead for cutting spending to the War Profiteers and Banksters. So the reality is that the only way that Social Security will be saved is by rejecting the totally Bankrupt Warmongering path that Obama has chosen, and letting Ron Paul save those Trillions of dollars and dramatically reduce the debt the sensible way.
It won’t happen any other way.
Obama = WAR Debts-Bankruptcy, “Bipartisan Austerity” and 3rd-World status.
Ron Paul = NO WAR, Low Debt, Prosperity
The fate of Social Security and Medicare rests upon the second scenario coming true.