At yesterday’s meeting with five progressive bloggers, Joe Sudbay at AmericaBlog asked a simple question that’s been waiting for a simple answer:
JOE: I was glad to hear that you and your staff appreciate constructive feedback.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, that’s something we enjoy. (Laughter.)
JOE: We’ve been more than willing to offer that. We’ve certainly been more than willing to offer than from AMERICAblog, particularly on issues related to the LGBT community, which, you know, there is a certain amount of disillusionment and disappointment in our community right now.
And one of the things I’d like to ask you — and I think it’s a simple yes or no question too — is do you think that “don’t ask, don’t tell” is unconstitutional?
The answer he got was this:
It’s not a simple yes or no question, because I’m not sitting on the Supreme Court. And I’ve got to be careful, as President of the United States, to make sure that when I’m making pronouncements about laws that Congress passed I don’t do so just off the top of my head.
I think that — but here’s what I can say. I think “don’t ask, don’t tell” is wrong. I think it doesn’t serve our national security, which is why I want it overturned. I think that the best way to overturn it is for Congress to act. In theory, we should be able to get 60 votes out of the Senate. The House has already passed it. And I’ve gotten the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to say that they think this policy needs to be overturned — something that’s unprecedented.
And so my hope and expectation is, is that we get this law passed. It is not just harmful to the brave men and women who are serving, and in some cases have been discharged unjustly, but it doesn’t serve our interests — and I speak as Commander-in-Chief on that issue.
Let me go to the larger issue, though, Joe, about disillusionment and disappointment. I guess my attitude is that we have been as vocal, as supportive of the LGBT community as any President in history. I’ve appointed more openly gay people to more positions in this government than any President in history. We have moved forward on a whole range of issues that were directly under my control, including, for example, hospital visitation.
On “don’t ask, don’t tell,” I have been as systematic and methodical in trying to move that agenda forward as I could be given my legal constraints, given that Congress had explicitly passed a law designed to tie my hands on the issue.
And so, I’ll be honest with you, I don’t think that the disillusionment is justified.
Now, I say that as somebody who appreciates that the LGBT community very legitimately feels these issues in very personal terms. So it’s not my place to counsel patience. One of my favorite pieces of literature is “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” and Dr. King had to battle people counseling patience and time. And he rightly said that time is neutral. And things don’t automatically get better unless people push to try to get things better.
So I don’t begrudge the LGBT community pushing, but the flip side of it is that this notion somehow that this administration has been a source of disappointment to the LGBT community, as opposed to a stalwart ally of the LGBT community, I think is wrong.
Obama’s answer reads like someone who’s read a set of talking points from King’s letter, not the letter itself. To refer to the letter in the context of an answer that at its core tells LGBTs they are wrong for pushing for action and to wait and be patient is stunning.
Let’s take a look at some of that letter (full letter in an annotated form here), written by King to a group of local clergy who were upset with him for pushing too hard, too fast, and in too public and direct a manner:
Then, last September, came the opportunity to talk with leaders of Birmingham’s economic community. In the course of the negotiations, certain promises were made by the merchants–for example, to remove the stores’ humiliating racial signs.On the basis of these promises, the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth and the leaders of the Alabama Christian Movement for Human Rights agreed to a moratorium on all demonstrations. As the weeks and months went by, we realized that we were the victims of a broken promise. A few signs, briefly removed, returned; the others remained.
As in so many past experiences, our hopes had been blasted, and the shadow of deep disappointment settled upon us. We had no alternative except to prepare for direct action, whereby we would present our very bodies as a means of laying our case before the conscience of the local and the national community.
Promises made and not kept?
Blasted hopes?
The dark shadow of deep disappointment?
The humiliating signs remained?
That sounds very, very familiar to the LGBT community. While the progressives in general were celebrating Obama’s victory in November 2008, LGBTs were mourning the passage of Proposition 8 that tried to reverse marriage equality in California. “Your kind need not apply” said Prop 8.
Two years has passed since then, and the Obama DOJ has consistently defended DOMA and DADT in court (sometimes with amazingly destructive language), the Obama political folks never pushed for EDNA, and now Obama think LGBTs should not view his administration as a source of disappointment?
That sounds very much like the local clergy to whom King was writing, not the person in the jail cell holding the pencil.
Here’s more from King’s jail cell:
You may well ask: “Why direct action? Why sit-ins, marches and so forth? Isn’t negotiation a better path?” You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks to so dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored.
The LGBT community gets this. They’ve gotten very good at it, too:
They continue to lead a drumbeat of criticism of the inaction of the WH on DOMA, DADT, and ENDA.
They provided immediate pushback against Valerie Jarrett for her unthinking use of the language of “lifestyle choice” to describe the gay teen who committed suicide.
Dan Choi presented his very body, chained to the WH fence, and later walking into a recruiter’s office to reenlist in the military.
Kerry Eleveld offers constant questioning of Robert Gibbs on LGBT issues in the WH press room.
Direct action, growing stronger and louder over two years. And wonder of wonders, a week before the midterm elections the WH invites a group of LGBT activists into the WH for a strategy session on DADT, followed by inviting a major LGBT blogger to be part of an intimate sit-down with the President the next day.
It sure looks like the LGBT community and its supporters have managed “so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored.”
Does Obama get that he’s on the wrong side of what King wrote about?
<crickets>
More from King’s letter, on the basic question that Joe asked:
How does one determine when a law is just or unjust? . . . Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an “I-it” relationship for an “I-thou” relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. . . .
First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
How can Obama praise these words and then immediately pivot to tell Joe Sudbay that the LGBT community is wrong in considering the Obama administration a disappointment when it comes to dealing with the segregation faced by LGBTs?
The phrase “shallow understanding” comes to mind.
One last piece from Brother Martin — the section that speaks of the neutrality of time mentioned specifically by Obama:
Such an attitude (about being in too great a hurry, because change is inevitable) stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely rational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co-workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.
When is the time to do right? Now.
No excuses like “after health care is passed.”
No delays like “after the banking system is back on its feet.”
No holding off “until the midterms are over.”
This is the kind of ineffective use of time by people of good will to which King referred.
The time is always ripe to do right.
Obama may want to re-read one of his favorite pieces of literature, and then try again.
(photo h/t mattlemmon)




56 Comments

Obama has done more to support the LGBTQ community than any President in history. He is getting a bum rap IMO.
Yes, President Washington didn’t do anything for the LGBTQ community, nor Adams, nor Jefferson, nor . . .
I prefer to measure what he’s done against what he promised, and against is going on now in the world
While nation after nation is including LGBTs in their military, Obama is defending DADT in court. He’ll say that DADT is wrong, but not that it’s unconstitutional — as a US Federal District Court judge has done.
While state after state and judge after judge are stepping up on marriage equality, he’s defending DOMA in court.
He didn’t lift a finger to pass EDNA.
His DOD is still removing otherwise qualified LGBTs from the military.
He may be better than his predecessors, but he’s got a helluva long way to go if he wants to get praise for his efforts.
i can only offer this. Obama is scared to death of some republican attack ad that mentions, “Obama puts gays up in our military”
I agree totally. Crappy little excuse of a response to that question.
O knows the issues, lacks the full understanding and genuine compassion, here. Proof is when he states King’s letters are simply, “…one of my favorite pieces of literature.” I’m more and more convinced he’s incapable of feeling genuine compassion.
O hasn’t figured out that he cannot be liked and respected by everyone, all of the time.
However, if he actually made a principled stand on any issue, he could garner genuine respect even from those who disagree or dislike him. He would also then be acting as a leader should act and could easily summon allies to support him. Sadly it ain’t going to happen
I don’t think our presidents have been “leaders” since Reagan…with the possible exception of Bush I
I AM being simplistic to think that any POTUS lately might even care about garnering genuine respect. Power, control, untold wealth and ease are the main goals.
“Lifestyle Choice” wasn’t “unthinking language.” It was deliberate.
So nice he can reference the Letter From a Birmingham Jail. So pathetic that he can’t reference Bayard Rustin.
a fortiori.
Peterr, what a wonderful analysis. Thank you for pointing this out so thoroughly. I hope the President reads this.
recc’d
RT Obama May Want to Re-Read King’s ‘Letter from Birmingham Jail’ http://tinyurl.com/27bg4l8 #dadt #lgbt
What more could be expected from BS (Buffalo Soldier-in-chief) Obummer?
I really appreciate your bringing these broken promises into focus and MLK’s letter encouraging action now instead of more delays, more deferring to a future time.
No, you’re not being simplistic, and I agree with you. True leadership appears to be a laughable thing of the past, something these creeps point at and mock as “old school.” The “New Age” is one of: I got mine, EFF you.
Let’s face it POTUS’s go on from the office into a world of untold wealth, where they are still bowed and scraped to around the world. It’s real “perk” of a job, that’s for sure.
So you get grey hair and feel tired for 4 or 8 years? So? Then the money starts rolling in…
Why should any of them care about the serfs, when it’s the Oligarchs who are going pay their way forever afterwards? Seriously. Which side of the bread do we expect a POTUS to butter? These people are NOT altruistic.
“One of my favorite pieces of literature…”
If King’s letter equates to a “piece of literature,” it implies he rates the Constitution the same way.
So agree with nonquixote, he’s incapable of feeling genuine compassion.
His timidity in the face of right-wing attacks isn’t limited to LGBT issues. He’s gone into the fetal position on issues of civil liberties and national security, and hasn’t exactly been a champion of reproductive rights.
Governing like a junior Senator.
for the twitterati
“and in some cases have been discharged unjustly”
“some” ?!?!
I confess I haven’t read the transcript yet – I understand the Palm Center was there – did they ask specifically about an EO to stop the discharges ??
The money quote:
First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
There are a lot of reasons why W. commanded respect—certainly not from us, but he took action when he said he would. Obama is a wooss and shows it repeatedly on many fronts. Either that or we have ourselves a Manchurian president.
off topic—I miss the formatting tools. I hope they come back.
70% of the public supports getting rid of DADT. Only a Dem could fail to make that into a good wedge issue (not to mention issuing a stop-loss order). We apparently elected John Kerry in 2008. No spine and no sense.
If that was true, they would have invited Jane.
I’m hoping that the nested comments go away.
That Constitution, you know, is extremely hard to understand, particularly for someone who used to teach it. There are only nine people in the whole world that are qualified to understand it — NINE!
Take this statement, for one example.
Now one can read that to say:
Or,
See what I mean? It’s clear from that example that only the Supreme Court can determine if discrimination is constitutional or not.
Finally, just because the Court has determined that discrimination is illegal in schools doesn’t mean that it can’t discriminate in the military.
I am mindful of another Dr King quote:
“Millions of Africans, patiently knocking on the door of the Christian church where they seek the bread of social justice, have either been altogether ignored or told to wait until later, which almost always means never.”
- A Knock at Midnight
Right? Okay Mr. President, pray tell us which ones have been discharged “justly” for being LGB or T?
Obama: “One of my favorite pieces of literature is “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” and Dr. King had to battle people counseling patience and time. And he rightly said that time is neutral. And things don’t automatically get better unless people push to try to get things better.”
King in heaven: “So push a little, Barack.”
Manchurian candidate – a person who, unbeknownst to himself, has been convinced to act toward some interest.
The definition does not quite fit Obama, who knows what interests he serves.
I have to say that Obama is the most perplexing president in my lifetime.(58)In person,he exudes confidence and strength of purpose. But,in governing he appears weak and wishy washy. Very frustrating.
King in heaven: “Don’t spin my words to rob them of my meaning, jive guy.”
I’m with you. These nested comments are dreadful.
“Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an “I-it” relationship for an “I-thou” relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. . . .”
Ya recon I’m a THOU to Barryo? I doubt it.
Wonder how he could show me?
The phrase that floored me was: “when I’m making pronouncements about laws that Congress passed, I can’t do so off the top of my head.” What?!! He hasn’t given this any thought? What utter balderdash. He refuses to acknowledge that discrimination against gay people is unconstitutional. Forget the rest of that rap. It means nothing.
He can’t admit it’s unconstitutional. That blows his cover.
Good catch. I didn’t notice that he called King’s writings “literature”. Even speaking from the top of his head, “pieces of literature” seems an odd choice of words. Why not “prose”? “writings” “history” “words”?
yes this new format blows, can we get a post on that?
Thanks for this – it deserved to be highlighted. It will still deserve it tomorrow, and again the next day …
“It’s not a simple yes or no question, because I’m not sitting on the Supreme Court. And I’ve got to be careful, as President of the United States, to make sure that when I’m making pronouncements about laws that Congress passed I don’t do so just off the top of my head.”
And yet, he’s had no problem as President claiming that legislated duties to investigate and prosecute torture and to defend the felony provisions of FISA can be dismissed by personal fiat.
What a guy.
I am not defending Obama but it seems progressive activists need to read the letter more than he does. With the exception of the gays most are extremely wimpy at pressing their cause. They will not develop anything independent of the democratic party, and will not inconvenience anyone.
“..the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom;”
Obama seems to get it in speeches and “on his feet”, but his minions continue policies antithetical to his stated goals. He may have compassion (I don’t know, it seems like he has some) but what he doesn’t appear to have at all is passion. If your neighbors house is burning down with people inside it’s nice to have compassion, but the “arc of time” is going to wreak havoc unless you get some passion and take some action NOW, and a cup of water at a time ain’t going to cut it. Thank you very much. Sense of urgency anybody?
Clarence Thomas Obama is no friend of civil liberties. It’s nothing personal. Strictly business.
You’re right, he could turned this into a wedge issue or since he loves him some bipartisanship, he could have appeared anytime after he took office with Republican opponents of DADT (umm, Dick Cheney) to announce he was suspending the policy by stop-loss order.
The wedge issue he could have used is the draft (I happen to think Congress should have activated Selective Service after 9/11 but that’s neither here nor there):
‘Any person, straight or gay, who volunteers to defend America should be welcomed. If we continue to exclude any American who volunteers to serve, it only makes it more likely we’ll someday need Selective Service to conscript Americans to serve. Take your pick.’
Make it a binary choice, DADT vs Draft… I think DADT wins. :o)
Bravo, Brother Peterr! I love it. Esp. the part about the substitution of ‘I-It’ relationships for ‘I-Thou.’ That’s exactly what I’m always on about. It’s the reductivism! And even our ideas about “things” themselves need updating.
That is, we’re still under the influence of the mistaken reduction of organic life to Newtonian mechanics. We still think of ourselves in the image of billiard balls in empty space? right?
A better image is of a very large, very deep body of water with whirlpools everywhere you look. We’re not point-instants in absolute vacuums, we’re self-filling and -emptying vortices ina seamless field. We are each other, in the most real sense.
Also the part about the white moderate living in mythical time. That is so true. We actually think we control the pace and nature of change, when in fact change is changing us, and at an ever faster rate. I think this presents us all with the greatest of challenges. I don’t know that humans can adapt to this pace of change before it wipes us all out.
It cracks me up to hear people say, “Now is not the time …” Now is ALWAYS the time! When else would we imagine we could act? Even when thinking of the past or future, we still do that thinking now.
Now is the time for all us whirlpools to just do justice.
“…the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”
After the invasion of Irak there were any number of organizations took to the streets, most notably the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, United for Peace and Justice, Veterans for Peace and others. It was, and remains the white moderates who continue to thwart calls to direct action. It continues to be the white moderates who fear losing their jobs or, even worse, being ridiculed by their peers, because they’re seen at an anti-war demonstration or LGBT rally or express unconditional support for those causes. People like selise who put it all on the line at places like Miami against the WTO are not the majority and that’s a cryin’ shame.
blockquote>To refer to the letter in the context of an answer that at its core tells LGBTs they are wrong for pushing for action and to wait and be patient is stunning.
Uh, I read the opposite. He specifically said the opposite, especially where he references the letter.
People of substance, integrity, and depth are well formed. They have well informed opinions regarding important matters and are not afraid to share them with others. When asked to express their opinion about a matter, they do so and leave no doubt where they stand. Obama instead fills the air with empty words that never definitively answer the question asked. He comes across as afraid to express his opinion as well as arrogant because he always seeks to impress his audience with how much he knows about relevant subject matter without revealing his opinion. In the end, he seems little more than a two-dimensional cardboard cutout without emotion or passion who can describe the world around him in detail intellectually without feeling any connection to it.
He appears to be about as emotionally clueless as it’s possible to be and still be alive. I can’t think of anyone I know who is so afraid of being human.
Obama starts by referencing the letter, but then turns around and says LGBTs are wrong for feeling disappointed.
This is EXACTLY what the Birmingham clergy said to King. They told him that they were his allies, but he shouldn’t push so hard, he shouldn’t be so confrontational, and that he should be more patient and wait.
Even after Obama references King’s letter, Obama’s bottom line is that LGBTs are wrong for pushing him and wrong for feeling disappointed.
Remarkable, extraordinary post, Peterr. Thank you so very much for this, it is among your best, a wonderful lot to start with of course.
Just stellar, should be read far and wide, and in the Oval too.
He is so in over his head it’s simply terrifying.
Obama: “All of them, Katie”
In speeches, he exudes confidence and strength of purpose. But in interviews, he lacks even the skills to promote his health insurance ‘reform’ in a simple 30-second elevator speech. I have to say, now, finally — those “teleprompter” critics were right.
He’s surrounded by people who think LGBT is a ‘lifestyle choice,’ or at least are comfortable — very comfortable! — using that phrase trippingly off the tongue. Our interests are neither represented nor defended by the people closest to this president.
My fondest hope is that one of his daughters discovers her own interest in the Sapphic charms. Seems to me that would be a fitting Greek turn in the drama of Obama denying us (her) our rights.
Obama draws almost all the wrong lessons from every historical example placed before him: Clinton’s failure with HCR, Dr King’s letter from the jail, FDR’s first 100 days.
It’s uncanny, and it speaks to an intellect more charming and nimble than analytical and reflective.
Yes. Obama continues to exhibit the “pathology” of “people pleasing” or “codependency”. He needs his voters to love him more than he needs to tell the truth. Real leaders are married to…committed to…TRUTH. They do what truth leads them to do. They do not act like jelly fish refusing to stand in line with what is simply “true” and “valid”.
It is valid that the DADT is unconstitutional in that it discriminates and does not validate GL marriages as Valid or as important. There is no other way to see this. A civil union is “less than” the right that is given to heterosexual couples.
He knows it, but is afraid to say it, live it, teach it and LEAD IT.
Codependency is a pathology with devastating effects because it contains the same disconnect with truth that alcoholism, or any ism contains. For the coda, it’s the need to “get along” over the need for truth.
Thanks, Teddy.
As for your second comment . . . from your fingers to Robert Gibbs’ printer.
Yeah, what is appealing every court victory won by the gay community from DADT to DOMA compared to a couple of token appointments ?
“The important thing is that I do not lose favor with truth and with what conscience tells me is right and what conscience tells me is just. I’m much more concerned about keeping favor with these principles than with a person who may misunderstand the position I take.” — Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FQIlE-WlM8&feature=related
My guess, based on Obama’s skills as a speaker and campaigner, is that in a personal meeting, you would be thou to the President.
But we, the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free …
We are an it to Obama. That’s quite clear from his inaction as President.