What leaped out at me from the USA Today write-up was the confusion that many folks on the conservative end of the religious spectrum have.
“They say the invisible hand of the free market is really God at work,” says sociologist Paul Froese, co-author of the Baylor Religion Survey, released today by Baylor University in Waco, Texas.
“They think the economy works because God wants it to work. It’s a new religious economic idealism,” with politicians “invoking God while chanting ‘less government,’” he says.
In other words, they’re worshiping Milton Friedman and calling him Jesus. Sorry, folks, but there is no commandment that reads “Thou shalt pull thyself up by thine own bootstraps.”
One of the things that always irritates me about the arguments about what the Bible says about homosexuality is that the Bible says very, very little about it at all. It just not a topic of conversation, and what little is said says absolutely nothing about a loving committed relationship between two people of the same gender. But to hear the religious right tell the story, you’d think that everyone from Adam to Jesus was constantly harping on the subject.
*sigh*
On the other hand, the Bible is filled — absolutely stuffed! — with commentary about how one ought to live from an economic perspective. In the stories and the laws and the preaching of the prophets, we hear constantly about caring for the poor and needy and widows and orphans, about proper government oversight of the marketplace (for instance, use the same set of weights and measures for all customers, not one set for your friends and another for the marks), about judges and rulers providing fair application of justice, about condemnations of bribery, about forgiveness of debts, etc. Money and commerce are a much larger topic than LGBTs and their sex lives.
(The sex lives of opposite-sex-minded folks do get discussed, though, like the story of King David, who set up one of his military leaders to be killed so that David’s affair with his wife wouldn’t be discovered, or Solomon and his hundreds of wives and concubines. But I digress . . .)
Government comes in for its share of criticism in the Bible, to be sure. But the criticism is usually that the ruling class — the kings, judges, priests, and wealthy merchants/landowners — is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. Jeremiah was a real pest, from the standpoint of the government, because he kept asking it to do its job. Ditto for Ezekiel, Amos, Hosea, and the others. And Jesus? Calling out hypocrites and self-centered players in the economy and government was part and parcel of his daily teaching. As I noted here at FDL last December, the Villagers of DC today are not so different from the Villagers of Jerusalem back then. Both are skewered by Jesus’ observation that one cannot serve both money and God, served up in a wonderful story that opens sort of like this:
Once upon a time, there was a rich man who lived in a nice gated community, with gold-trimmed plates on his table, with gold-plated flatware sitting on linen tablecloths woven with gold threads for trim. He had a fine private chef, who served only the finest meats from the best markets, and the freshest vegetables from the best farmers. Every day he and his friends dined on the most elaborate culinary creations.
Outside the gates was a poor man named Lazarus, who was sick and covered with sores. He watched the procession of groceries go into the house every day and the procession of half-eaten scraps go out of the house every night. “If only I could eat the scraps,” he thought, his mouth watering, as the neighborhood dogs came and tried to lick at his sores. . .
You can read my retelling of the story for yourself at the link, but (spoiler alert) it does not end well for the rich man. It’s about as anti-Milton Friedman a story as anyone could come up with.
Or look at Ezekiel, speaking to the rulers in Jerusalem. He calls them “whores,” because despite the fact that God raised up Israel from slavery in Egypt, the leaders in Ezekiel’s day had forsaken love of God for love of money and their own personal power. Ezekiel compares Jerusalem to the heretical region of Samaria and infamous city of Sodom (chapter 16):
Therefore, O whore, hear the word of the Lord: . . . Your elder sister is Samaria, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. You not only followed their ways, and acted according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. As I live, says the Lord God, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.
“More corrupt” than Sodom? That’s going to leave a mark.
The harsh condemnation of the rulers is not that government has done too much, but it has done too little to economically care for those on the margins.
*sigh*
I would say that this Baylor study (pdf) means that people ought to go to church more often, but digging into the details of it, that seems to be part of the problem. The folks most likely to confuse Milton Friedman with Jesus, who want less government, and who think the unemployed shouldn’t get any help, are most likely to be frequent attenders of church.
*beats head against desk*
Maybe it’s time for them to look for a different church — one that reads the whole Bible, and actually notices the parts about caring for your neighbor.




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Thank you for this Peterr.
I think part of the problem is helping others requires both empathy and an ability to reflect; both qualities seemingly lacking among many of our fellow citizens of the US and the world both
Interestingly, in the section of the study on LGBT issues, that empathy and ability to reflect is there. Over 90% believe LGBTs should have equal employment rights, over 65% believe civil unions should be allowed, and the 32% who strongly oppose marriage equality are equally matched by 32% who strongly support it.
It is astonishing that people find a connection between the “invisible hand of the market” and the Almighty. How can self-government survive a theology like that?
Funny how none of the Friedmanites ever cite Biblical things like the Year of Jubilee, variations of which were common methods of resetting the tally markers throughout the Fertile Crescent and Eastern Mediterranean cultures of the Bronze and early Iron Ages.
“How can self-government survive a theology like that?”
It can’t and it won’t. If people cannot see what is right in front of them, this country/planet is doomed. It feels like the worse it gets, the crazier people become. Denial is a very polluted river in Egypt.
Thank you Peter, for both the mockery of uncle Milton and the bible lessons.
Very enjoyable and very instructional
Thanks once again, Peterr, for actually reading the red print in your KJV.
“They say the invisible hand of the free market is really God at work,” says sociologist Paul Froese, co-author of the Baylor Religion Survey, released today by Baylor University in Waco, Texas.
“They think the economy works because God wants it to work. It’s a new religious economic idealism,” with politicians “invoking God while chanting ‘less government,’” he says.
Interesting Moloch, Money has now replaced the Christian God among the Christians.
. . . and NRSV, and the Greek, and the Hebrew . . .
*g*
You’re quite welcome.
Among some of them, anyway. Not all, but far too many.
Maybe we’ll turn away from our forlorn ways and in an Esterist fashion lock up the traitors and corrupt wall streeters in their for profit prisons.
Milton Friedman would say that the invisible hand of the free market works because everyone is out to get as much as they can, by whatever means they have, and take advantage of anyone who gets in their way.
Or, as Gordon Gecko famously put it:
In the church, we call that “sin,” not “salvation.”
Well the neoliberal era needs a religion in its honor at any rate. How else would we celebrate a time in which the whole of society is being sacrificed by government on the altar of the corporate profit rate?
Pardon me if I do not understand, but the people criticized by Christ in the comment “serve God or serve money” also thought they were serving God.
And similar sharp comments in the “Parable of the Paraphrase,” about going to church dressed well just to impress, instead of a more humble approach. That is: many who are churchgoers are not going for the correct reasons.
Thank you for continuing to clarify the lessons from the bible. The religious right are not the only ones who misconstrue, although they do the most harm by missuing the stories to feed the rich and take (human rights) from the poor.
Guess what… the buffoons from USA Today and the Baylor (texas) guys that performed this ‘research’ did NOT ASK ME – SO, just like my KKK brethren on the other side of the river, this research is BS.. It DOES apply to me.. IT DOES NOT reflect what I think or believe… anything from a policy or directional point of view that is a result of this fake research I will NEVER adhere too… Get a new methodology and get out of my face.
Anything that comes out of a ‘research’ center in ANY University in texas is suspect. ALL of it.
Billy Sunday, Max Weber and John D. Rockefeller. On the other hand, there’s the physics of desire (greed, if you will) and Social Darwinism. Economics is truly the dismal science.
Recommended!! Very well said Peterr way too many worship the almighty dollar and could care less about those less fortunate. And I bet Jesus would be screaming on the stairs of Wall Street about their unjust actions!!!
Recc’d. You’d probably like my earlier entry entitled “Epistle to the Texans.”
What’s completely evident is that none of these people or their supposedly economics-educated leaders ever read Adam Smith and have only latched on to the phrases and catch-phrases taken out of context that we’ve been hearing for years.
oh please too early in the day to lose my lunch!
The Hand Unseen
You’re right about where they’re wrong. But we need to not overlook where they’re right about what the Bible has to say on the subject of economics.
The Hidden Hand is the Hand Unseen that throws the rock that hits the feet of clay that brings the whole structure of society down. Where free market ideology meets the Bible is in the apocalyptic literature (besides Daniel, see also Rev 18:9-24). Babylon is falling, and Babylon is where the rich people live, and their worship of the markets is what is bringing Babylon down.
So, yes, by all means, rich people, free up that Hand Unseen, let it out of the Abyss where meddling statism has kept it confined. The Hidden Hand needs to be free to throw that rock, or we’ll never be rid of you.
Well, Baylor is pretty much one of those old time fundy schools which has somehow been able to cloak itself in respectability.
In the “on the other hand” section, I forgot objectivism. Point being, they will, and have, tortured religion or atheism in turn to legitimize their ideology.
It’s not among the six deadly sins ?/s
It is horrifying. The fascist global ruling class promoted this guy as their spokesperson to justify their rapine economic policies, designed to impoverish the majority of people in the world and make them slaves. And our government adheres to his economic policies. So yes, we are doomed indeed unless there is some kind of revolution that I don’t see in the works. Meanwhile, they convince young people that globalization and free market economic policies are a good thing because they will make everyone more prosperous, when in fact the opposite is the truth. My neo-fascist stepson is convinced that the world is headed for a wonderous future, led by elites who know what should be done and do it despite the effect it has on most other people. He envisions a world where there is a superior race of beings, professionals, and a permanent underclass of troglodytes who work as slaves to sustain the glorious, high tech society where the elites will figure out how to live forever. Since he hasn’t read a history book in his entire life, he fails to see the analogy with this philosophy and Hitler’s. Since he doesn’t read any kind of books at all except scientific journals, he is unaware that scifi greats predicted this kind of world as a dystopian universe antithetical to humanistic values. He would not know what ‘humanistic’ means.
It would be irresponsible not to point out that the University of Chicago bought
the Theological Seminary building (home of a beloved bookstore) to convert it (in both the physical and theological senses of the word) to the Becker Friedman Institute .
American Conservatism = Christian Fascism
I’s say that roughly 25-30% of the US population is relgiously insane. They’ve always been with us. The only difference now is that the MSM gives them an inordinant amount of attention.
Their religion is essentially a bastardization of the Bible, but you can’t ever convince them otherwise.
It can’t, as you well know. It has long been the case that academic economics of the neoclassical stripe has a large dose of religious reasoning. By this I don’t mean supernatural reasoning, but the kind of reasoning that characterized scholastic philosophy. Logic based on unquestioned first principles (like the existence of God). In the case of academic economics, the principles include the separation of tastes (preferences) from social structure and the imposition of equilibrium conditions in interpreting real outcomes. Since evidence on both these premises is weak and contradictory, imposing them as censoring devices on reasoning is essentially an act of religious faith.
How the unwashed came by this notion is another matter. I think it mainly comes from the unrelenting propaganda of Rush Limbaugh, who’s a real missionary here.
There’s a final stream in the social darwinism that characterizes much of economic analysis, especially the law and economics stream. According to that line of what one too generously terms ‘thought’, private property and the market are evolutionary products of natural selection operating on the relative economic success of individuals and societies. As with the neoclassical premises, this is all argument and no fact. That’s what makes it like religion.
They approach Adam Smith in the same way they approach the Bible. Most of them have never read it. Those that have only go over selected phrases, the meanings of which have been defined for them by their authority figures. Their perspectives and actions are not about thought but about belief. Most are not interested in choice and freedom–they like the words, but the reality of acting on these things scares the hell out of them. They are, however, interested in the safety, order and control afforded by Authority. It assuages The Fear.
I would fear for my life if I tried to convince them otherwise. They’re loonies.
Smiting the fig trees that like the gated communities.
Friedman is their Jesus and Ayn Rand is their Virgin Mary.
Its enough to make good devout Atheists of us all !
No, its just too scary to begin to Think.
I think at one time they might have had a good basketball team. That’s all I remember.
*running to Teh Google*
*wiping forehead*
Whew! For a minute there, I thought you were saying they were shutting down the Seminary Co-op. At least it’s only moving and not gone.
(Having the UofC for a landlord must have been quite odd for them.)
Not quite enough, no, not for all of us.
One doesn’t exactly had to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Just pointing out that, if you did not know it, Peterr is a minister.
Talk about a frightening image!
I shudder to imagine who their 12 apostles would be.
Friedman? Really? Friedman at least believed in the concept of monetary policy.
These people are the disciples of Rothbard and Hayek.
Gotta keep hope to conquer fear. As it says in the book of Psalms, “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of wingnuts, I shall fear no evil . . .”
Or something like that.
Most excellent post, Peterr. Thank you.
Exceptionally powerful imagery, gtomkins.
It would be a good thing if this “Christian” nation were to understand the whole of that “image” and how it is tied to the Christian “undestanding” of history and the place “on” or “within” that “image” that the United States is “understood” to occupy … down toward the bottom … as Babylon is said to represent the head.
The US is understood to be a part of those feet of clay …
I am little versed in such things and would appreciate the perspective of those who actually know of such things. I doubt such people, such wisdoms, shall be found among those who “believe” that Christianity is about the “wealth” of gold and silver and “winning” and “having” most of the “toys”. As well, I would include those who proudly proclaim themselves to be Neocons or Neoliberals … both of whom are, at heart, Neofeudalists … all profess the “Divine Right of Money” and like Friedman have no aspect of divine nobility in the least.
DW
Yes, persecuting heresy was and is a bad idea. But when you look at these present-day God-botherers, these religioulsy insane as you call them, it sure becomes an understandable bad idea.
So let’s rehearse again why persecuting heretics is a bad idea.
However reasonable a definition of religious insanity you start out with, once there is a mechanism for labeling some religious belief as insane and harmful, and then acting to control the crazy, that mechanism quickly falls under the control of the worst kind of religious crazies. They’re the most interested in the question because abstract ideas are most real to paranoiacs. The idea that the world’s ills are caused by wrong religious belief appeals most simply and directly to them, so of course they end up manning the bureaucracy of heretic identification and control, and quickly turn what might be at most a marginally useful tool into the center and chief perpetrator of the madness.
Best to not even think in terms of differentitating crazy from sound religious beliefs. They’re all dangerous. People who can’t keep themselves from expressing even the most seemingly sane and beneficent religious beliefs in public should never be allowed near public power.
Thank you Peterr, it is understanding such truth as this which shall set us all free to become more human and more spiritual in what we may understand beyond our fears and assumptions.
DW
I second, SD.
A most excellent post, Peterr, thank you very much, indeed.
DW
Sorry folks, a little off topic. CENK IS GOING TO CURRENT!
Ok now that I got that out of my system. There is nothing surprising about this. Social conservatives proved long ago that they will pull whatever it takes out of their asses to support whatever position they want. It doesn’t matter what Christ actually said. It only matters what they want his words to mean. Any thing they want for themselves or anything they want to deny others is easily justified because religion is all about interpretation. If those doing the interpretation want to be rich, PRESTO, Christ wants us to be rich. See Robert Tilton. If they want to blame all that is wrong with society on someone they don’t like, PRESTO, God hates those people. See Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell.
It’s easy.
x2
[in reply to Nathan above]
Paul Krugman has a great essay on Friedman that starts by calling Keynes the “Martin Luther” of economists, challenging the rigid theological orthodoxy of the free market. Says Krugman,
He describes three roles that Friedman played in 20th century economic life: (1) the economists’ economist – i.e., the academic; (2) the policy entrepreneur, pushing for monetarism; and (3) the popular ideologue, pushing his free-market ideology into public discourse.
It’s that third role that Friedman is most know for outside of economic circles. Most non-economists wouldn’t know Rothbard or Hayek at all.
YES – I was delighted when I read that this morning.
I’m sorry to hear that. If your definition of insanity is so broad as to include all religious people, count me — a Lutheran pastor with a degree in economics — among the insane and dangerous.
See my comment below @9:29. For some reason, the “reply” didn’t take and it showed up as a separate comment.
“(The sex lives of opposite-sex-minded folks do get discussed, though, like the story of King David, who set up one of his military leaders to be killed so that David’s affair with his wife wouldn’t be discovered, or Solomon and his hundreds of wives and concubines. But I digress . . .)”
I digress too, but here’s a snippet from 1 Samuel 18 concerning David that may give these selective Bible readers some pause:
1 Samuel 18
“[1]When he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
[2] And Saul took him that day, and would not let him return to his father’s house.
[3] Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul.
[4] And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his girdle.
[5] And David went out and was successful wherever Saul sent him; so that Saul set him over the men of war. And this was good in the sight of all the people and also in the sight of Saul’s servants. ”
Sounds like love to me…
Are you talking about hope for a better afterlife, or hope for divine intervention in this world? I hope for non-delusional sanity.
Nothing like Jacobian innuendo to get those naughty parts tingling…
recommended and tweeted
There absolutely cannot be enough people on the Internet saying bad things about this ass.
He is awful and his legacy lives after him. He and his wife have a foundation that helps to fund the dismantling of public education through school vouchers.
All who continue to support his twisted economics for the rich are vile creatures–most of the U.S. Congress as a matter of fact. They all need to be replaced.
I knew it when Olberman told Cenk to keep in touch at the end of their interview.
Thanks for the complement, but, of course, I’m just stealing from the original.
It’s unfortunate that educated and reasonable people tend to shy away from the apocalyptic literature because of the uses to which it is put by the crazies, because it actually contains the most poetic and imaginative writing in the Bible, while at the same time containing the only analytic perspective on political history we get from the Book.
This is why the apocalyptic literature is where Athens and Jerusalem come the closest in their approaches. Both Plato and the Book of Daniel use the imagery of the precious metal “Ages”, and both blame the story on the other culture (Plato’s “Phoenician Tale”, and the Daniel author’s use of clearly Greek material while the Hellenization crisis was at its bloody height).
The other common thread is the role that the God-botherers (in Plato, the Wisdom-botherers) themselves play in creating and then destroying the fantasy world of the metal ages. It’s the very act of breaking the seals and opening the Book to read what’s going to happen that causes the events to happen. When it’s all over, when all the God-botherers from both camps have eliminated each other, what we’re left with is a Heavenly City in which churches and prayer are not allowed. That’s the image and hope that gets me through these God-bothering times, that in the end the warring sects of God-botherers will eliminate each other and will thereby give us a place where all the tears have been dried and there are no more churches.
I love the 23rd.
Like surrounding myself with the white light of love, that all my needs can be satisfied.
If, only I give no power to the evil. Call it out. Cast it aside.
We are not the droids you are looking for, you bad guys, youz.
Hugs, Peterr.
The Greek and the Hebrew really brings out the true meaning of scripture. Also most of the party in questions doesn’t understand the idioms and what it means to be a Jew. IMHO
Also recommended.
Ah, gtomkins, I thank you for such a splendid and thoughtful response … your last sentence is going to be difficult for many to ponder … yet I canna say I would be unhappy to find it becoming so should humanity dare to step up to the full responsinility and promise of fully-aware existnece and being, as then we would have none save ourselves to blame for our own failings, shortcomings, and depredations. A grown-up vision, for sure.
DW
full responsibility – fingers to blame …
;~DW
All religions and belief systems are a type of personal insanity how much you let that insanity control you is what makes the difference between a rational person and a zealot.
“To think is to differ.”
Clarence Darrow, State of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes, 1925
“My neo-fascist stepson is convinced that the world is headed for a wonderous future, led by elites who know what should be done and do it despite the effect it has on most other people. He envisions a world where there is a superior race of beings, professionals, and a permanent underclass of troglodytes who work as slaves to sustain the glorious, high tech society where the elites will figure out how to live forever. ”
Sounds pretty much like Atlas Shrugged, translated into your son-in-law’s wish for an uncomplicated life of promise.
You’re only a clear and present danger if you tout the Lutheran pastor thing as any sort of qualification for public office, as opposed to a (relative) disqualifier.
Of course, the tendency of this thread is the idea that the degree in economics thing is now practically a religious denominator, sort of identifies you as a pastor in the Church of Mammon, at least if you’re proud enough of it to mention it in a discussion of public affairs.
As to the idea that all religion is inherently dangerous — you’re a pastor in the USA, and you don’t know this stuff? I steal all my best material, so let me quote the original so as not to be accused of unacknowledged theft.
“Su ei to didaskolos tou Israel kai tauta ou ginoskeis?”
Religion is dangerous. The best, purest, truest and most benevolent expression of religion is only a half-step from the Abyss. That ought to be Lesson One in American Religion 101. It should be tattooed on the inside of your eyelids if you’re a Lutheran pastor.
I’m a doctor. Lesson One of Medicine 101 is “All medicine is poison”. It’s tattooed to the inside of my eyelids. I assume you are a fellow professional, just different profession.
Did God create the exploitation slaves by slave owners, serfs by lords and the working class by capitalists? The latter exploitation is systematically obscured by the neoclassical economic theory Friedman championed. The main ideological purpose of neoclassical economics is systematically obfuscating capitalist exploitation and presenting capitalism as the best of all possible worlds using, among other devices, the perfect competition chimera.
“There’s a final stream in the social darwinism that characterizes much of economic analysis, especially the law and economics stream. According to that line of what one too generously terms ‘thought’, private property and the market are evolutionary products of natural selection operating on the relative economic success of individuals and societies.”
No ‘thought’ there, as you point out. If the ‘market’ operated via natural selection, then TARP never would have happened.
We’d probably have had some tough years, economically, but ‘selection’ would have culled out those unable to stand on their own and whatever combination of mismanagement (like Credit Default swaps, shaky mortgages and huge CEO bonuses) would be seen as situations to avoid. Instead, we are forced to treat financial institutions as if they are people, and give them ER and other ‘medical’ care to allow them to survive.
If one were to believe the Bible stories, then the human race is either the product of masturbation (Eve was created from Adam’s rib) or incest(they were the only two humans and obviously related). Perhaps that explains the inability of its adherents to value reality over faith in unmitigated bullshit.
As to the idea that all religion is inherently dangerous — you’re a pastor in the USA, and you don’t know this stuff? I steal all my best material, so let me quote the original so as not to be accused of unacknowledged theft.
“Su ei to didaskolos tou Israel kai tauta ou ginoskeis?”
Here you are condemning religion by going all gnostic on us. However, there may be a cure if you can manage to open a New Yestament and read one of the letters of John, particularly 1 John. Then again, it’s strong medicine. ;-) Welcome to the Abyss.
Would that be the Jewish Bible (Old Testament) or the Xtian Bible (New Testament)? The Old Testament tells of a jealous god who admits the presence of other gods and is more than willing to punish his worshipers, whereas the New Testament’s god is a loving being who is the product of god and a virgin, the retelling of the Zeus and Leda myth.
There are accounts in the Bible, and there are myths.
Isaiah’s warnings about the fate of those who ignore God’s laws, in particular laws about justice and respect (including respect for God) are accounts.
The Creation stories (both of them), Noah’s Ark, the Tower of Babel, those are myths.
To be very clear, my understanding of the term “myth” is a metaphorical story that represents a deep truth.
“I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.”- Thomas Jefferson
“If a man really believes that God once upheld slavery; that he commanded soldiers to kill women and babes; that he believed in polygamy; that he persecuted for opinion’s sake; that he will punish forever, and that he hates an unbeliever, the effect in my judgment will be bad. It always has been bad. This belief built the dungeons of the Inquisition. This belief made the Puritan murder the Quaker.”- Robert Ingersoll
The problem with the irrational belief in a god is that god is a creation of man, not vice versa, and the purpose of organized religion is control of the gullible. Much of the “Bible” is the retelling of prior established belief systems from earlier times. It’s only worthwhile message is the same as that of most faiths; “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” A message that seems to be universally ignored.
These beliefs allowed the Roman Catholic Church to support the Nazis.
The abolitionist movement sprang from the Protestant wing of Christianity — particularly the 18th century Baptists, who were the Wobblies of their day in terms of their willingness to execute direct action.
It’s one of the sad ironies of the past two centuries that when the Southern US branches of the various religions all broke off from their home branches in the 1840s rather than advocate the end of slavery, the only branch that didn’t reunite with its parent once the Civil War was over was in fact the Southern Baptist Convention, which is now the branch most people think of when they think of “Baptists”.
Luther was also lucky in that he came along just as the growing merchant classes — those peasants who managed to make money without being in the nobility — were looking for a theology that told them (or could be made to tell them) that they could dispense with the current class structure. Luther provided that theology and thus they protected and funded him.
“…scifi greats predicted this kind of world as a dystopian universe antithetical to humanistic values.”
Indeed. Starting with Jules Verne.
“Pardon me if I do not understand, but the people criticized by Christ in the comment “serve God or serve money” also thought they were serving God.”
I think the point is that they were NOT serving God even if they thought they were, and if they had actually had practiced a little introspection, very little, they would have known otherwise. And most of them did, hence the frequent references to the “hypocrites and the Pharisees.”
But that’s just my interpretation of what Jesus meant.
If you ever try, go well-armed, preferably clad in body armor, and have a quick escape route.
Does that include atheism? Stalin was an atheist, you know. I don’t know what the hell Hitler was, but he certainly wasn’t an adherent of any religion with which I am familiar.
Ayn Rand was an atheist, yes?
The Golden Rule is at the core of most religions, most philosophies, and most political systems that have any merit whatsoever. It’s closely tied to the concept of justice.
yes, what a shame that Uncle Miltie, aka Jesus Christ, died in 2006 before his beloved free market system crashed into ashes, and then at the last minute was saved by that unnecessary institution, Government.
yes, Uncle Miltie Christ, would have been speechless for about ten seconds, and then he would have spewed out some more garbage for all his worshippers to wallow in
Uncle Miltie Christ, who along with Henry Kissinger, helped Mr. Pinochet blow off the head of Salvatore Allende in Chile in 1973, just because Mr. Allende didn’t believe in the sacred free market pipe dream. I wonder who all those people that Pinochet tortured and killed in the national soccer stadium, and pushed out of helicopters over the Pacific Ocean, would offer up their last prayer to ? Jesus Christ or Uncle Miltie Christ