CNN covers the Zawiya Massacre
There has been a lot of chatter online about the UN-approved NATO attacks on Moammar Gaddafi’s military forces in Libya. Here are a few myths and facts:
Myth: This action is illegal or unconstitutional, for both the US and the UN.
Fact: Actually, since he’s notified Congress, and so long as he pulls out all US armed forces within 90 days, he’s well within what the War Powers Act of 1973 allows:
The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.
Considering that Gates has already said that the US’ role in this action is going to be quite limited as France and the UK take over, all US forces will have been withdrawn well before the ninety days are up:
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday that the U.S. expects to turn control of the Libya military mission over to a coalition — probably headed either by the French and British or by NATO — “in a matter of days.”
In his first public remarks since the start of the bombings, Gates said President Barack Obama felt very strongly about limiting America’s role in the operation, adding that the president is “more aware than almost anybody of the stress on the military.”
As for the UN, Juan Cole points out that the United Nations Security Council doesn’t have much in the way of legal constraints on its actions, and what has been done to date is well within them.
Myth: If the rebels win, Al-Qaeda takes over.
Fact: Al-Qaeda’s chief allies, the Taliban, have condemned both the rebellion and the outside assistance received by the rebels.
Myth: Obama is directing this whole affair and the UK, France and other nations are only along as window dressing.
Fact: It’s actually the other way around….
As Robert Fisk notes, Obama did not want to get US troops involved directly in Libya in large part because of overcommitments of US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, even though Britain and France have been pressuring him for weeks to do so (as shown here, here and here (where the administration expresses scepticism over the proposed no-fly zone). Instead, Obama had been trying without success to get the Saudis to send arms to the rebels, something the House of Saud is not willing to do despite its hatred of Gaddafi as they don’t want to be visited by the Arab Spring that’s toppled governments in Tunisia, Egypt, and now possibly Yemen, as key Yemeni commanders defect to their opposition; this is of course why the Saudis have sent troops to shore up the Bahrainian government against the protests there.
So, then: Why do Britain and France want to aid the rebels?
Oil and gas, as Gaddafi claims? Unlikely, as Libya has only 2% of the world’s known reserves at a time when technology to use barely-tapped heavy-oil reserves, such as the Orinoco fields of Venezuela, is inexpensive enough for nations using it to make money hand over fist so long as oil prices stay above $35 to $50 a barrel (they are currently hovering around $100 a barrel and have been for some time).
Fear of having to deal with some of the hundreds of thousands of Libyan refugees fleeing Gaddafi that are currently overwhelming Tunisia? Possibly, though it’s unlikely that more than a few thousand will make it into Europe.
Wanting to get into the good books of the people of the Middle East by backing at least the Libyan portion of the Arab Spring movement that’s already swept out the old rulers of Egypt and Tunisia? Probably, though of course the argument that American opponents of US involvement in Libya have made — why aren’t you going after Bahrain/Yemen/Saudi Arabia/Ivory Coast/etc.? — could just as easily be made here as a way to diminish any points for virtue that the UK and France hope to acquire. Juan Cole addresses the hypocrisy argument thus by pointing out that Gaddafi’s crackdown is orders of magnitude worse than what protesters have faced elsewhere during the Arab Spring:
That the world community has intervened in Libya but not in say, Yemen and Bahrain, has raised cries of hypocrisy. These charges are largely deserved. It is worth noting, however, that nowhere else in the Arab world where there have been widespread protests has the regime consistently responded with such massive brutality as in Libya. Yemen, with the sniper massacre of crowds on Friday, is moving in that direction, but Qaddafi has likely killed thousands since February 17, not just dozens.
From February 17, a peaceful protest movement broke out throughout Libya. Civilian crowds gathered without violence downtown, in Benghazi, Tobruk, Dirna, Zawiya, Zuara and even in the outskirts of Tripoli as in the working class town of Tajoura. City notables and military men in the east of the country formed a provisional government. Many diplomats declared for the provisional government, as did many officers and even cabinet members.
The Qaddafi regime responded with brutal violence to these non-violent protests. Early on, live fire was used against protesters in Tripoli itself. Last week, convoys of tanks rolled into Zawiya, supported by heavy artillery, firing on civilian crowds and on civilian apartment buildings. The tanks occupied the city center, and there are reports of a mass grave of the protesters. They were just protesters. They were easily defeated because they did not know, and most of them still do not know, how to handle a weapon. There were large numbers of self-inflicted gunshot wounds in the rebel ranks.
Russia’s Putin, by using as Gaddafi does the loaded word “crusade” to describe the action that he opposes, apparently hopes to invoke in the Muslim world bad memories of previous Western-world actions. And of course China’s government, which like Saudi Arabia is extremely worried about the possibility of the Arab Spring turning into a revolution (in this case a “Jasmine Revolution“) within its borders, so much so that various Chinese dissidents have suddenly vanished from sight, also condemns the attacks.
Meanwhile, that notorious weathervane, the Arab League’s Secretary-General Amr Moussa, has retracted his previous condemnation of the NATO attacks, which itself was a step back from his earlier approval of the no-fly zone; not that most observers in or outside the Middle East, Gaddafi included, actually care about what the Arab League thinks (Googling “arab league worthless” brings up links like this one and this one).
And so what do the Libyan people think of all this? Can’t vouch for all of them, but at least some of them, some of those with cellphones or internet access, seem to be cheering the NATO involvement, as shown here (per this Tweet from ShababLibya). The rebels certainly seem to be happy; they cheered the UN resolution permitting the military incursion. Considering that Gaddafi is believed to have killed thousands of Libyans as part of his crackdown in the weeks before the start of the civil war, this isn’t at all surprising.
What will the future bring? My guess is that US military involvement has peaked and is already being phased out as the French and British take over; I wouldn’t be surprised to see all US forces disengaged from this mission within a month’s time. Great effort seems to be in use to avoid having ground troops on Libyan soil; whether the French and British can continue to avoid using ground troops is anybody’s guess. Much depends on whether, as Juan Cole predicted, what’s left of Gaddafi’s officer corps does a Yemen and rejoins their old comrades who have already defected. (I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that money was thrown at them to do so, much as the US bought the covert support of key Iraqi generals in 2003.)



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Thank you !
“Wanting to get into the good books of the people of the Middle East by backing at least the Libyan portion of the Arab Spring movement that’s already swept out the old rulers of Egypt and Tunisia? Probably, though of course the argument that American opponents of US involvement in Libya have made — why aren’t you going after Bahrain/Yemen/Saudi Arabia/Ivory Coast/etc.? — could just as easily be made here as a way to diminish any points for virtue that the UK and France hope to acquire. Juan Cole addresses the hypocrisy argument thus by pointing out that Gaddafi’s crackdown is orders of magnitude worse than what protesters have faced elsewhere during the Arab Spring:”
Will have to differ with Juan Cole about ‘magnitude’ when it comes to Bahrain but ,yes, the hypocrisy is all too evident. And extends to how U.S. leaders are held to account.
And Ggabo is -apparently- going to take a page from Gaddafi.
Rec’d.
thanks
Just wanted to thank PW for an excellent and detailed and comprehensive overview/summary of it all.
This becomes a base reference and a bookmark for any discussion I’d have with others. THIS is how cooler heads prevail.
HIGHLY rcc’d.
Thanks!
Bahrain may well be trying to outdo Libya in the wholesale-slaughter department — having Saudi troops in for the occasion does not bode well, especially since as Siun points out the US media, particularly the NYT, seems to be interested in spinning the Bahrainian rebels as icky and deserving of death — but they have a touch more in the way of international tourism and other reasons that Gaddafi doesn’t have for wanting to stay their hands somewhat.
Thanks, Larue.
There’s been so much hot air about this that I wanted to set out what I, at least, knew to be so.
I think this will end very badly.
Democrats seem to be even better at cooking up justifications for warmongering than Republicans. It’s true that there is virtually no pretense anymore that the Congress has any role in wars other than rubberstamping them. Senator Grahame was suprisingly candid about this …
“They have my authorization. You can’t have 535 commander in chiefs,” Graham said. “I would like to have a vote in the floor when we get back saying they did the right thing. But that shouldn’t restrict the president from taking timely action.”"
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/17/inside_classified_hill_briefing_administration_spells_out_war_plan_for_libya
… while the UNSC is, of course, little more than a rubberstamp for US wars. Nearly every nation that voted for the war on Libya is a US proxy, and the ones that abstained are afraid to eff with the US, especially China and Russia, both surrounded by US bases and constantly threatened by US military ‘games’.
What is happening is that the US has taken sides in a civil war, and has taken over the war, which means it has invaded Libya, using the UN for cover. Reasons? Control over China’s and Europe’s oil. Threatening the popular uprisings in the Muslim world (be careful or we’ll shock and awe you too). Taking down the African Union as an influential global organization with anti-imperialist leanings.
But hey, this was a nicely written propaganda piece. Well done
Thanks!
And as LaRue aptly states, Phoenix Woman’s post is the “benchmark” for understanding roles of both the White House and Congress relative to the War Powers Act.
And in this vein of thought, I have posted a diary relative to “Who Speaks for the Privates, the Corporals, and the Sergeants?” And pardon the “plug” since this will be another “long war” by any stretch of the imagination.
Jaango
Myth: The Democratic Party opposes intervention in foreign conflicts unless and until those conflicts directly threaten the peace and security of the United States (see: Pearl Harbor).
Fact: Once a upon a time this was tru. If it still were, the Democratic Party could still be trusted. Sadly, that’s no longer the case.
(Mod, please correct my dropped coding – thanks!)
Recommended & tweeted!
thanks so much PW, rec. !
interesting tweets on this fella’s stream:
Coalition of the ???
https://twitter.com/#!/ksnavarra
Thanks so much for this, Phoenix Woman. Here’s a little follow-up on Putin’s statement: http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2011/2011-12.shtml
Recommended.
What everyone else said.
Terrific reporting, as per usual.
‘The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat.’
From the same source. Maybe I am not reading it correctly, but it looks to me that the President must have either 1) authorization by congress (prior?) or 2) we must be under attack or under serious threat of attack.
I just don’t see the grounds for ‘humanitarian intervention’ in that passage.
Not that I think for a minute that there is any ‘humanitarian’ motive at all.
The first Fact & Myth part is a bit misleading. As regards the War Powers Act, what you didn’t say was this: the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat.
To be complete, the administration did provide notice; the rationale for “threat” was this [PDF]:
Weak argument for a direct threat against US National interests IMO. bmaz will rebut as well, soon I expect, based on this tweet.
Second, you use the future pluperfect tense here – “all US forces will have been withdrawn” – and that is not a fact at this time, but is an assertion.
It remains to be seen.
Just because an action is in good faith, i.e. no bad intentions, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
All of those who are ‘down’ on this action against Gaddafi seem to think one can cure a rabid dog and ,apparently, don’t recognize or remember Gaddafi’s past actions.
As towards “American lives at risk’, there isn’t really must risk at all and even if there is, when do you take a stand against genocide?
That’s NOT to rationalize the hypocrisy of this action.
And as towards “weak argument” for U.S. national interests, can you say oil? THAT ,from 1973 on, has been the over-riding “national interest’.
And personally, bmaz’s opinion is of no more value than mine. Which is to say not much.
But when I read this:
“9.20pm: BBC news reports that a a spokesman for rebels in Misrata has described the situation as “a catastrophe”.
“We’ve had more than 40 dead, more than 200 injured here today because when Gaddafi stopped the military actions, the people went out on to the street to demonstrate and the military started shooting at them with heavy weapons,” he said.
“They even shot three ambulances – two of the drivers were killed.”
From here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/21/libya-military-action-live-updates
I don’t want to hear any debate about U.S. legalities when the U.N. has passed a resolution calling for “any means necessary”.
Actually the USA enabled Pearl Harbor, as we as a nation were soundly isolationist up to that point. The corporations wanted war to build and sell stuff (arms) and profit . . . from AMERICAN dollars . . .
Sadly, that isolationist national position at the time enabled the slaughtering of some 6 million Jews in the 30′s and 40′s.
That’s a moral imperative I’d think no proggy would forget.
That’s true, but I’m hearing too much condemnation from those who cheered people on in their protests, without any concrete suggestions of what would prevent protesters from getting slaughtered. Do you have ideas, or are you going to suggest they should die while you think of some?
Deliberately firing on civilians in a mass and systematic manner is a crime against humanity. Doing so with the idea of wiping out all or part of a tribe or ethnic group is genocide. The world signed a pact that it would go to war to prevent that. Now tell us what should happen.
I agree, the debate, the decision, and the specification of the crime are all supposed to be public and should be public, not hidden from the public and made by a small group of rulers. That is wrong.
But don’t hide behind that fault to mask the conceit that you would flaunt the convention that the world does believe that it is obligated to fight massive crimes against humanity or genocide, with war if necessary, and prevent it.
I’m not a lawyer but Obama’s War is in direct violation of the US Constitution and the “constitutionally questionable” War Powers Act. Congress should Impeach Obama Now! President Biden sound very good. At least he had Democratic core values before entering the Obama White House.
“Myth: This action is illegal or unconstitutional, for both the US and the UN.
Fact: Actually, since he’s notified Congress, and so long as he pulls out all US armed forces within 90 days, he’s well within what the War Powers Act of 1973 allows”
You are entitled to your own opinions, but you’re not entitled to your own facts. Listen to Candidate Obama explain why:
“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
So you think it was a good thing we went into Iraq given how Saddam slaughtered his own people?
“Once a upon a time this was tru.[sic]”
Actually, it was never true. WWII was fought in part over the U.S. empire’s domination of the Philippines and the Far East, in part because Roosevelt’s long-range plan was to become the inheritor of the British and French empires. (All the European powers were in debt up to their ears due to the cost of WWI. Germany reneging on its debt to U.S. banks was a major cause of the Great Depression.) It went far beyond the desire to sell weapons.
“If it still were, the Democratic Party could still be trusted.”
The Democratic Party could NEVER be trusted. This is shockingly naive.