First, The Nation documents the harrowing 2004 experience of Andrew Ramirez:
In the summer of 2004, Andrew Ramirez, who was just about to enter his senior year of high school, worked up the nerve to tell his family he was gay. His mother took the news in stride, but his stepfather, a conservative Christian, was outraged. “He said it was wrong, an abomination, that it was something he would not tolerate in his house,” Ramirez recalls. A few weeks later, his parents marched him into the office of Bachmann & Associates, a Christian counseling center in Lake Elmo, Minnesota, which is owned by Michele Bachmann’s husband, Marcus. From the outset, Ramirez says, his therapist—one of roughly twenty employed at the Lake Elmo clinic—made it clear that renouncing his sexual orientation was the only moral choice. “He basically said being gay was not an acceptable lifestyle in God’s eyes,” Ramirez recalls. According to Ramirez, his therapist then set about trying to “cure” him. Among other things, he urged Ramirez to pray and read the Bible, particularly verses that cast homosexuality as an abomination, and referred him to a local church for people who had given up the “gay lifestyle.” He even offered to set Ramirez up with an ex-lesbian mentor.
Ramirez was not impressed. After his second appointment, he resolved not to go back, despite the turmoil it might cause in his family. “I didn’t feel it was something that I wanted to change, and I didn’t think it could be changed,” he says. “I was OK with who I was.”
That “ex-lesbian mentor”? As Dump Bachmann’s lloydletta points out, there is a longtime Bachmann associate named Janet Boynes who is billed as an “ex-lesbian” — which leads us to the second bit of evidence, that gathered by Truth Wins Out’s John M. Becker:
The date was Thursday, June 30, 2011. I turned on the television and listened half-heartedly to the commercials as I busied about doing other things. All of a sudden I heard a voice saying, “Over the past few days, NBC News has learned how Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her family have benefited from the very government programs she denounces.”
At the mention of Bachmann’s name I stopped what I was doing and looked up. The speaker was the Rev. Al Sharpton, who was guest hosting The Ed Show. Rev. Sharpton continued talking about the counseling clinic run by Bachmann’s husband: “As the Minnesota Independent reports, the clinic has been previously accused of engaging in reparative therapy, or treatment aimed at changing one’s sexual orientation. Dr. Marcus Bachmann denies this…”
I chuckled when Rev. Sharpton said this. He won’t be able to deny it for much longer, I thought. After all, I was watching this broadcast from a basement in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, having spent the previous eight days undercover in the Twin Cities receiving reparative therapy sessions at Marcus Bachmann’s clinic.
In addition to documenting that “ungaying” was indeed practiced by Bachmann and Associates, Becker spotted this book for sale at the clinic:
Bachmann & Associates sells a book written by Twin Cities minister and self-proclaimed “ex-lesbian” Janet Boynes. This book chronicles her supposed journey “out of the lesbian lifestyle.” Next to the stack of books was a prominently-displayed, typewritten note that read, “Janet is a friend. I recommend this book as she speaks to the heart of the matter and gives practical insights of truth to set people free. – Marcus Bachmann, PhD.”
If you so strongly believe that the truth sets us free, Marcus, don’t you feel freed from having to carry around that lie of yours that you don’t do ‘ungaying’ therapy? By the way, are there any other things you might be fibbing to us about, Marcus?




The date was Thursday, June 30, 2011. I turned on the television and listened half-heartedly to the commercials as I busied about doing other things. All of a sudden I heard a voice saying, “Over the past few days, NBC News has learned how Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her family have benefited from the very government programs she denounces.”
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For those unfamiliar with the technical term for Marky B’s conduct, this is known as “lying.”
Thanks PW. I wonder if Bachman charged the insurance carrier for teaching the kid he wasn’t gay. I didn’t know that was a re-imbursible diagnostic code.
Just laughing. I think the “clinic” has a patient very close to home. Guess all that “ungaying” might not work.
Hey, Ms. Woman
I saw Sharpton’s show (and hooray for him) about this and it’s stuck in my craw ever since.
First of all, why was he lying about what his clinics were doing? That doesn’t make sense to me. And, secondly, the part where the missus looks to him as the Man, whatever he says, goes, why would anyone want that shit in the WH?
They are User-Losers.
Marcus Bachmann is not gay. He is simply reprising a real world role as Dana Carvey’s, “Lyle, the effeminate heterosexual.” Otherwise, how could you possibly explain how he scored the incredible hotness–albeit eyes too close together, indicative of too many first cousin pairings from the wilds of Waterloo Iowa–which is Michelle Bachmann?!!?? How, I ask you? How???!!!
I’m with demi, why even lie? The people who would consider voting for
MichelleMarcus Bachmann would just love it. It just demonstrates what I’ve long said: Their default position has become lying. Lying even when they don’t have to, lying when it would actually help them to be truthful. The DINOcrats are picking up on this stupid Republican trick too. As for Marcus being in charge, well that’s just like Palin, isn’t it? If she was somehow elected, Todd would be president in reality.As for “curing” the gay, I tried to “cure” myself long ago and realized that gender identity is such an enormous part of who we are that even if we were able to excise that part of ourselves, we wouldn’t be the same person we started off as. I’m certain that orientation would be a similarly basic part of what makes us who we are. Since then I’ve counseled people to embrace their insanity because without it, we become people we are not.
And you have just been flagged for coming here and spouting the most deplorable kind of homophobic bigotry.
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“That doesn’t make sense to me. And, secondly, the part where the missus looks to him as the Man, whatever he says, goes, why would anyone want that shit in the WH?”
Huh, not just the WH. Why would anyone want that next to him/her?
Who the F wants a slave as their partner?
I know many do, but still this idea that the ideal female is a submissive one, is … how old is that?
And these same knuckle-draggers complain their “partner” is not pulling their weight. It’s the height of delusional thinking and hypocrisy.
second.
just disgusting.
“you people” Mitchell has been flagged by me as well.
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but where did these flags come from? convenient, but what’s to keep the trolls from flagging all the regulars? guess sorting that out would be a job for the mods.
(help, where is ‘preview’??)
In an insane world, insanity is the new sanity. And sanity is the new insanity. Meaning, nothing means anything anymore. It’s all the same.
I’ve never tried curing my heterosexuality. Of course in countries around the world with compassion and decency, “curing” what our creator or mother nature made us, is reprehensible.
Sad we live in a country where bribery s legalized and war is good. But being a human being, whatever the “stripe”, is up for “public debate”.
Just sad.
X10 and don’t forget to go to it’s member page and flag it’s ass their also!!
Unlike
HuffingtonAOL Post, the flags here are looked at by actual live people, rather than being automatically placed into moderation to be screened whenever they get around to it. So abusing it would be difficult and would, (I’m guessing), have the potential of backfiring against the abusers.We are God’s children.
“How many gay people must God create before we accept that he wants them around?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXpOA3jPC04
Representative Steve Simon, Minnesota.
Maybe the last decent politician.
There is only one reason that I can think of why anyone would think being gay could be cured or why they wouldn’t “want to be gay” and that’s because bigoted assholes have spent a whole lot of time deploring their homosexuality and telling them what awful people they are for being gay and by trying to convince them that they can be “cured”. Without the homophobic bigots, there wouldn’t be any problem. It’s the bigoted heteros and the self loathing closet cases that have made it into a problem.
Say what? You don’t get out much, do you?
I’m going to take advantage of our new moderation policy and say…
Fuck you!
Take your bull shit attitude to the ones who want to hear it.
You’ll never, never, ever get any traction here.
Although, on the other hand, you are allowed to have your own opinions, so I’ll turn the other cheek. Kiss that one too.
I wanted 2nd Margaret’s comment.
And further, I would like to ask the FDL folks behind the scenes why Anson Mitchell is allowed to continue to post here?
Each and everyone of Anson Mitchell’s comments is composed of either ad hominem or personal attacks on FDL and its members.
This person adds no value to the conversations here, and has no intent on doing so.
While we can and do appreciate other rational and reasoned points of view here at FDL, this person only chooses to insult FDL and its members.
Isn’t the removal of this person long overdue? You have my vote and I’d bet the majority of other FDL commenters as well.
If anyone hasn’t heard this clip of Marcus Bachmann, you’re in for a treat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8oyA5JV7kA
“Barbarians need to be educated…they need to be disciplined…”
What a hoot!
What’s goin’ on, Margaret? How’s the gig working out?
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Half a million Iraqi civilians really murdered in US shock and awe bombing. That’s murder.
I screwed up my “reply” on this convoluted thread structure. See right above…
Hey Mods: How’s about shit-canning this thread structure? Do I hear any “Ayes?”
“While we can and do appreciate other rational and reasoned points of view here at FDL, this person only chooses to insult FDL and its members.”
I’ll second that.
Thanks for that. I’ve been wondering that myself. Mr “You people” has even been known to disrupt PUAC. Surely we can do without input from this individual and never miss it…
Off-Topic:
Anyone see this shit? Holder’s jagoff “Justice (sic) Department.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/09/feds-rule-marijuana-has-no-accepted-medicinal-use_n_893894.html
Tell that to the gazillion cancer patients who have found tremendous relief from the side-effects of chemo.
Fucking idiots.
So far, so good though I’ll be paranoid about it till I come off probation in August. Hope we’re still way busy then…
X 100.. Idiots everyone of them blathering lying Idiots!! Hope everyone of them some day have health issues and then Need The Weed!! They will sing a different tune then!
Yes Anson we do. However, we are able to distinguish between apples and oranges when arguing with each other.
Michele Bachmann Exposes 23 Minors to Possible Pedophile?
Let me state at the outset that everything you will read after this sentence is based on logic, but only as logic applies to someone with Michele Bachmann’s belief system; if Bachmann really believes what she claims to believe, then her conduct in exposing 23 minors to whatever risks her home might have posed to those minors raises many uncomfortable questions …
Article:
http://beeryblog.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/michele-bachmann-exposes-23-minors-to-possible-pedophile/
The Bachmanns indict themselves.
Nahant–
Where, how do we do this. (I just figured out how to hit the little flag button to flag Mitchell’s comment.)
Bachmann enrolled in the Coburn Law School, a Bible-based institution affiliated with Oral Roberts University.
http://www.citypages.com/content/printVersion/17190/
His healing ministry and bringing American Pentecostalism into the mainstream had the most impact,[5] but he also pioneered TV evangelism and laid the foundations of the prosperity gospel[4] and abundant life teachings.[6]
He also ran direct mail campaigns of seed-faith, which appealed to poor Americans, often from ethnic minorities.
In 1977, Roberts claimed to have had a vision from a 900-foot-tall Jesus who told him to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, and the hospital would be a success.[24][25][26] In 1980, Roberts said he had a vision which encouraged him to continue the construction of his City of Faith Medical and Research Center in Oklahoma, which opened in 1981. At the time, it was among the largest health facilities of its kind in the world and was intended to merge prayer and medicine in the healing process. The City of Faith operated for only eight years before closing in late 1989,
Roberts’ fundraising was controversial. In January 1987, during a fundraising drive, Roberts announced to a television audience that unless he raised $8 million by that March, God would “call him home.” [31][32] Some were fearful that he was referring to suicide, given the impassioned pleas and tears that accompanied his statement. He raised $9.1 million.[33] Later that year, he announced that God had raised the dead through Roberts’ ministry.[3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts
Whats Michelle’s stand on minorities and the poor who got scammed to pay for her school?
Does Michelle think that a 900-foot-tall Jesus told her college Founder to build City of Faith Medical and Research Center, how does she explain it closing down later?
I wonder if this is the same Jesus who Bush prayed to for advice during his Presidency given Bush’s handling of the economy do we really want Conservative Jesus deciding anything about our economy with his track record?
Did Michelle send Oral a check when he said God would call him home? Future Presidents giving in to extortion is not who I want as President.
Its fair game Michelle should be judged and want to be judged by her belief system I disagree with calling it logic.
Logic would be Real World facts and we should judge her on that too.:)
And, secondly, the part where the missus looks to him as the Man, whatever he says, goes,
I thought the GOP hated when Hilary or Michelle Obama interfered in politics? Its ok if your a Republican?
That is her Law School claim? I had wondered about that info…please a claim that she is a Tax lawyer. How true is that?
The therapy is junk science it doesn’t work. Why are Feds giving Michelle’s quack Husband any cash is my question! Cutting off Quack Science funding from the Federal Budget has my total support.
Obama if he agrees to any budget deal and even if he does not agree should cut this funding.
Let the Quacks get Free Market funding after they have their medical license pulled.
Why does this guy still have a license?
I do love the picture up top. Such grace, such poise.
How easily can someone, addicted to Us/Them hierarchy, explain this hypocrisy away?
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“Lying is a small sin compared to the abomination of homosexuality, therefore,
the Bachmanns are wonderful people who only want to help others.”
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See? Since it was that easy to explain away, it should also be that easy for a gay person to Un-gay hisself! And if they don’t, they’re just being willful. Which means they need to be broken.
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Don’t forget how these people think, FireDoggers. And don’t think they will change, ever.
Evil doesn’t think of itself as evil, that’s part of what makes it evil.
Boy it is confusing when Anson Mitchell’s posts are removed but the replies remain.
Boy it is confusing when a post is removed but the replies remain. And this comment was just deleted too, probably because it contained the flagged member’s name.
*crosses eyes*
Dang, I came late, missed Anson’s being a jerk (I like a little animosity with my coffee)
and now it looks like Margaret hates me, thanks to this confusing thread layout…
I’ve just had two comments disappear. Is it me, or is something screwed up?
Three comments now vanished. What’s up, mods?
You have to look up the member by name, go to his/her page, and flag as inappropriate.
Reply is screwed up too. I think we’re having some tech woes.
I cannot post a comment, but I can reply to another comment.
HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
clicking on their name brings you to their member page where you can flag them at the bottom…
By the way ansonmitchel just re registered with the same name all put together…
In 1988, Bachmann received an LL.M. degree in tax law from the William & Mary School of Law.[14][15] From 1988 to 1993, she was an attorney working for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).[16] She left her position with the IRS to become a full-time mother[17] when her fourth child was born.[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#Businesses
Hilary and Michelle are girls you silly.
Yes, there is a big problem of links not working….The folks are working on it…..clicking on Caturday gets me to Romney…Ive now said this several times….have had some help from headquarters; they are definitely checking.
I’d like to know when the last real study of marijuana was. The last I heard, the Feds weren’t allowing them, “because it has no medical use”. (That was even when universities offered to grow the stuff so it was free of additives, and do it in special controlled-access greenhouses.)
If they’re going to claim it’s as bad as heroin, then they need to ban tobacco, because studies, real ones, have demonstrated its addictiveness is the same as heroin.
Beautiful and graceful pivot, demi!
Apparently it’s not only big PHRMA that doesn’t want it legalized.
Prisons and prison labor would be affected, and Hemp might creep into use and affect wood/timber industries, and Fabric or Lycra Manufacturers.
It would be nice to live in an enlightened country.
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Why does THIS link: Why Does the Washington Post Say “Changes” to Social Security When They Really Mean “Cuts”?
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