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One of the tropes most often used by the right-wing and often blatantly racist defenders of George Zimmerman, the man who shot an unarmed Trayvon Martin to death in a Florida gated community last month, was that Zimmerman was allegedly beaten to a bloody pulp by the 17-year-old boy he killed: Punched in the nose hard enough for it to break, knocked down, head slammed into the ground, dripping blood from his various wounds.
The tale of Zimmerman’s many serious wounds was already in question: For one thing, he refused medical attention when it was offered to him. And now, thanks to the release of this police surveillance video, we can now see that the tale of the bloodily-beaten Zimmerman is just so much nonsense:
A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.
The surveillance video, which was obtained exclusively by ABC News, shows Zimmerman arriving in a police cruiser. As he exits the car, his hands are cuffed behind his back. Zimmerman is frisked and then led down a series of hallways, still cuffed.
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The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning.
His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman’s nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin.
In the video an officer is seen pausing to look at the back of Zimmerman’s head, but no abrasions or blood can be seen in the video and he did not check into the emergency room following the police questioning.
Now granted, if Zimmerman really did have his head slammed to the ground, that could have caused a serious closed-head injury, the severity of which would not be visible on the outside of his head. But one would expect, if that were the case, that the officers on the scene — who presumably would have noted any odd concussion-related behavior Zimmerman would have exhibited during the six-odd hours he was in police custody — would have overridden his refusal of medical treatment and taken him to a hospital.
Gee, no wonder why Zimmerman’s lawyer Craig Sonner didn’t dare face Lawrence O’Donnell the other day on MSNBC.
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Wow Phoenix Woman. You catch em good. Thanks for your excellent coverage of this issue!
Can we just get to the facts? He is a murderer.
Nice, PW. “Let’s go to the video tape.”
Thanks, PW, for posting this. Ed Schultz featured it big time tonight. And Lawrence O’Donnell really skewered the “friend” (Joe Oliver) last night. Apparently Oliver quit his job to go on to have his 15 minutes of fame on the news show by claiming to be Zimmerman’s close friend. Turns out he knew him as a mere acquaintance. O’Donnell tried to get the jerk to fess up as to who was paying him, since he gave up his job after all, but Oliver just prattled on about nothing. Disgusting. I don’t always like O’Donnell’s shouting, but I liked it last night.
And…..apparently Joe Oliver had been all over the news shows claiming that Zimmerman was such a nice and non-hostile guy. Got lots of coverage. And, apparently, O’Donnell (with Blow and Capeheart) were the only ones to really put his feet to the fire. Good on them.
Exactly.
Bleeding? Really??? If he even has a hangnail I’m the Czarina of All the Russias. You may start calling me Your Royal Highness any time now… I’m waiting…
“For one thing, he refused medical attention when it was offered to him.”
Dead giveaway. If he showed any sign of serious injury, the cops would have insisted on medical attention.
PS: I’ve actually had a broken nose. If I’d been wearing the clean and tucked-in light gray t-shirt that Zimmerman is seen wearing in the video, it would have been covered in blood.
I’m tired of outrage fatigue, but I’m willing to go one more round.
I AM Outraged! And I’d like someone to subpoena Joe Oliver’s bank statements to find out who bought him.
Zimmerman took a loaded weapon, left his vehicle, and stalked an unarmed man. Zimmerman wasn’t a trained peace officer, he had no badge, and he had no right to stalk someone. Even cops take tasers and call backup, announce themselves, and give people a chance to de-escalate the situation (at least, most cops do). Zimmerman had no business carrying a concealed handgun anyway, and I recall hearing that people doing volunteer duty for the neighborhood weren’t supposed to be carrying weapons either. And now this. Thanks again PW for staying on this and giving those of us who don’t like to watch the boob toob anymore this timely update.
good point! Lack of blood splatter on the clothes!
PS: For clarity, it was Joe Oliver who was pimping the story that he talked to Zimmerman and that Zimmerman had a broken nose and head wounds from having his head slammed on the pavement. This video shows no broken nose and no blood and no head wounds.
I agree with and appreciate this post but I think there’s a larger point to make.
Even if George Zimmerman had all the serious injuries his advocates make claim to, it proves nothing except perhaps that Trayvon Martin was fighting back for his life with the strength begotten by the will to survive.
The nature and extent of Zimmerman’s injuries are therefore irrelevant.
Where is Zimmerman?
Your Royal HindAss?
Except it would appear that he has no visible injuries whatsoever. Which is extremely germane.
The lie that Zimmeman had head wounds and a broken nose IS relevant.
Well, I know I’ve put on a few pounds but there’s no reason to comment on the size of my booty! (Good to see you!)
What I find so interesting about this law is that it makes all kinds of minor offenses into capital crimes without the intervention of, well, ya know, like, probably cause, arrests, investigations, trials, appeals.
Seems like kind of a low bar.
I figured since we sorta know each other, you wouldn’t mind my jerking your chain.
Good to see you too. Appreciate your short version of the pundits in the a.m.
If I recall correctly (I’m working so I won’t go looking), Joe Oliver used to be a weatherman (?), or something on the local news. It’s possible he just found a roundabout way to interview for a new job. Of course, his credibility is shot now.
It’s the lawyer I’m wondering about. The first time I saw his name come up, he claimed Zimmerman had no self-defense claim and that he hadn’t spoken to Zimmerman about the incident. Huh. A day later, he was claiming self-defense worked in this case.
It looks to me like a bunch of amateurs tried to spin this in Zimmerman’s favor last weekend and screwed up big time.
BTW Marion, I’ve told that story about asking the pastor of the Savannah Anglican church why it was Anglican, not Episcopalian, about 100 times, and your great guffaws about how I’d (as usual) stepped into the middle of a giant controversy by dint of asking simple Qs.
I wonder if any abused wives have, shall we say, taken advantage of this Stand Your Ground law? Things could get ugly out there. Of course, most of these laws are in states where Americans with lady parts have no standing to speak of.
Well, this is what happens when ALEC is allowed to write legislation that’s passed virtually word-for-word.
The text of graf 5 from the link:
Democracy used to be nice. I sorta remember it…
Joe Oliver.
Seems like no one knows (yet).
Predicting Oliver’s 15 min of fame will not end well for him.
I’m sorry to inform you (and just guessing here) that stand-your-ground laws are not allow for disadvantaged groups like lil wimmin nor peeps of color.
Excellent point. Thank you, Dearie.
(DeLurking to say right on!)
The denouement of that whole situation, years later, is that the original congregation has the church back. They got to celebrate Christmas at Christ Church Episcopal. My boss (who’s on the vestry) is one happy dude.
We womens who pay attention, know that, but thank you for bringing it up again.
Very much appreciated, Cahn.
He’s just trying to get a job with Fox.
One of the nice things about the Age of Senility is that you aren’t disappointed by all the bad things now bc you can’t remember all the good things that used to be.
*heh* Её Королевское Высочество…! ;-)
Oh, thanks so much for the denouement. Now I can add it to the next 100 times I tell the story.
Thanks, I think… Unless you’re casting a jaundiced eye at the size of my butt too!
Or run for occife on the TP ticket? Joe the Plumber?
Speaking of the Age of Senility, 3 of the Old Wimmens where I work have a pact to quit on Dec. 1 this year. The practice manager, the senior RN, and me (the only medical transcriptionist and secretary). Don’t piss off teh laydeez. The boys will be soaking in it, and up a few creeks with very few paddles in sight. 247 days to go.
My point is that even if Zimmerman had injuries, it is not proof that Trayvon is guilty of anything. Those injuries, if indeed sustained, are evidence of self-defense (since we know that Zimmerman was the perpetrator/initiator).
By citing the absence of injuries in the footage as the ‘ah ha!’ we are giving too much credence to the opinion that Zimmerman’s injuries (or their absence) have a relationship to Trayvon’s guilt. On that point, I disagree.
The police report stated that Zimmerman’s bleeding head wounds were treated at the scene. I say, “So What?” and believe that if anything, that is evidence of Trayvon desperately defending himself.
Perish the thought, M’dear…! Btw, I’ll second eCAHN’s praise of your persistent parsing of the Grey Lady…! ;-)
Heh. At least we’ve progressed from the ‘Zimmerman was the aggressor on top of Martin’ meme. Has anyone here apologized for that error? How about the true Trayvon picture rather than the fragile youth portrayed earlier?
No? Maybe the error about who was yelling for help error, any apologies there?
I doubt it. Racism, IOKIYAD.
Yes, I understand your point. My point is that if Zimmerman is claiming self-defense (broken nose, head repeatedly slammed onto the ground) then a video showing no injuries is certainly an important piece of evidence.
Any nurse will tell you that they keep head injuries in the hospital for observations to be sure no internal bleeding occurs which is fatal. often a head injury does not kill immediately but hours later. Natasha Richardson died just that way. So one would expect the paramedics to have insisted on taking him in for evaluation. He claimed his head was “pounded repeatedly” on the concrete. Also, his attorney said Zimmermans could not stio crying. He does not appear to be even a little mussed up in that video. His shirt is still tucked in. He does not look like he’s upset.
Where’s SouthernDragon when we need him?
Oh, and Marion, I have a pair of (repro, but very handsome) Chinese concession lamps that I bought in Savannah.
Actually bc they are repro and more than I wanted to pay, I waited until I got home, decided I would never find anything so perfect for the rest of my life (true so far), so called up the antique store (across the side street from the church) and said I’d buy the pair.
For some unusual flight of intelligence, I asked the dealer to measure the widest part of the lampshade. It was too wide for the bookcase they would be put on, so I demurred. He responded that instead of the ginger jar base and round shade, he had a pair in same pattern with rectangular base and sloping in rectangular shade, measurement of which was perfect. I paid, he shipped, and I’ve been pleased as punch with them for the past 5-6 years.
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And apparently the paramedics washed his clothes and gave him a bath.
The meta message: We should not fear surveillance; the camera is our friend.
Counting down. Put it in your morning comment.
To my mind the only really important fact in this entire ghastly mess is that Zimmerman was told BY THE POLICE 911 OPERATOR to not follow Trayvon. So of course he decided that he was going to go and be some sort of “hero.” He has a history of 46 calls, including on 4/11/12 a report of:
Gotta watch out for those 7 to 9 year olds…
*heh* As long as it’s confined to the Cop Shops…! ;-)
I never thought of doing that! Great idea — I think I will.
I know, I know. But I’d so much rather have Rusty and Robert back than to put up with this. :)~
I assume that’s because you noticed that Attaturk’s little morning gnat is here?
Ha! Indeed.
To me this video totally busts Zimmerman and his story.
*heh* I’m usually fast asleep here in the Isles…! ;-)
Absolutely. Maybe his attorney knew that this was floating around when he scarpered away from O’Donnell’s show.
Just now (in shadow) George Zimmerman’s father was on Lawrence O’Donnell saying that his son said that Trayvon said, “You’re going to die now. You’re going to die tonight.” Nothing George managed to say at the time the police first brought him in to the police station. This whole situation is really more and more disgusting.
Well, when police departments all across the country have decided to pepper spray and attack nonviolent citizens yes, I am quite glad that they’re being filmed.
You can’t be serious..He actually had the absence of introspection to call in a police complaint and form the words “seven to nine year old”?!!!
He didn’t like loud parties either. The link I posted has the text of all 46 of his calls.
Zimmerman might really be suffering from a head injury, maybe stemming from forceps delivery.
The throw-spaghetti-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks defense.
Sounds like Zimmerman’s father also suffers from long-term head injury.
After a bit of scrounging around I found an article at Mother Jones that pointed me to a 47 page document that was, as the article says, “quietly dumped online by the city of Sanford.” Links follow:
The Mother Jones article.
The City of Sanford document.
The picture isn’t getting any prettier… (And thank the FSM for the interwebz and Teh Great Gazoogle.)
And let’s not, any of us, forget this was a 17 year old kid…..now dead. A mother and father’s child. For what? An armed adult killed an unarmed youth. For what?
From your MoJo link
Thank you. You point out the circumstances that without question, make Zimmerman undeniably culpable for the murder of an innocent, blameless victim.
Have you met our friend Shooter?
If you look at atonemusic’s comment at 37 I think you’ll find that he’s no friend of Attaturk’s poisonous little troll.
My best male friend carries concealed.
I tried to probe him (email) on why. He got squirmy, so I let him off the hook. I don’t want to lose his friendship over Trayvon Martin.
However, I am not done with the probing. Next time I see him in person, I intend to ask more, so I can have his body language feedback to help me figure out how to get info without pissing him off. He is 6’4″, now in his 50s but in his 40s was one of the best rock climbers in the U.S. What is he afraid of that he feels necessary to pack a concealed weapon.
Local ‘crime’ might be as as dangerous as a prison break (so stay inside or call 911; very rare event), and after that I’d guess domestic violence or minor house breakins. None I’ve known about personally. Some broken windows in town owing to later bar opening ordinances (3a instead of 2a? or 2a instead of 1a?) but I doubt my friend is frequenting bars at that hour.
He either is an alchy who appears here drunk in the morning, or a Cheney wannabe.
Interesting. If you can tease out the reason please let us know, maybe following up on the various threads where you find us. (Cracks of freaking dawn for me!) I’ve never felt really, really afraid anywhere I’ve ever lived, including what were considered dangerous, crime-ridden neighborhoods. I’d be fascinated to find out what scares a man 14″ taller than I am to feel so threatened that he feels he needs to carry a deadly weapon.
Sorry. I just thought it was kinda sassy. Perhaps it was full on honesty. I have been wrong before and will likely be wrong again. Apologies.
Me too. I’ve never felt afraid. Ditto 14″ shorter, and shrinking.
It’s really a mystery. I’d like to get an honest answer from him, but it’s going to be difficult. I had one feedback from my weekend guest who suggested that he might be (raised in upper middle class Westchester burb, Scarsdale) something or other. But I know he did sport shooting from his teen years or younger. So I know situation is NOT one to leap to conclusions about. Long-standing, appropriate gun relationships.
My bee keeper, flowerchild, is also licensed to carry concealed. I haven’t asked him why yet, but prior conversations & experiences point to killing critters like squirrels (you asked) for food and killing rabid raccoons and mangy coyotes. He is not accessible to conversation except when he comes to inspect the hives, so it is on my agenda to ask him about Trayvon Martin next time he comes.
No cop would miss a broken nose! Given that his head was supposedly slammed into concrete no cop would let him refuse medical attention head injuries that bleed are both really hard to miss and a huge lawsuit if complications arise later.
The Cops would have assumed concussion and that he was not in his right mind. A friend of mind ran into car face first on his moped he was bleeding teeth crooked but said he was fine. We got him to a doctor concussion are the local Cops going to claim they know less about first aid than fast food workers?
No apology needed at all! Sassy is okay, trolling like shooter242 is simply unacceptable. I found it VERY refreshing that nobody fed that little troll here. I keep suggesting that we starve him early in the morning, but sometimes he’s fed…
Time for me to wrap myself in the arms of Morpheus.
Did I read this report right? This delusional paranoid Zimmerman called 9-11 about a stray dog, some folks crashing his apt. complex pool, and a landlord trying to collect rent? If so, then I can see why they let him on the neighborhood watch despite his psychosis: He’s such a panicky narc no one else on the watch team would have to do any work.
Who is spinning these stories to the media with it seems the police and local Prosecutor’s help details of crimes should be coming from their office to the media?
Who is protecting George Z the Prince of Darkness himself? Republicans caught with hookers wish they had this kind of counter spin.
Who does George know, is related too, gave campaign cash too?
I can certainly understand a beekeeper carrying a “varmint killer.” Too many critters are after his winged charges and the treasure they produce. It’s the folks who live in cities or suburbs and work at desk jobs and still feel threatened that baffle me.
Now I’m REALLY off to bed! Sleep well, y’all.
That’s putting it very mildly.
I know you’re GONE, but I have another point to make about my packing friend.
I’ve known him for decades. He is the second nicest male I’ve ever met in 67 years. This is the first time I’ve ever asked him a Q that he has gotten defensive about. Why? We know each other well. I would accept an A: I like guns, completely acceptable bc I know he wouldn’t be a Zimmerman. But would still like to engage him in a conversation on his personal pref vs. the social implications of Zimmermans carrying concealed. My friend & I have had conversations on the edge about how he, a 2nd amendment supporter, and environmentalists have in common (preservation of open space: me for its own sake, his for hunting, which I have no problem with).
Don’t know why he got his panties in a twist about Trayvon Martin, but will try again.
Another racial component of this: Had Martin been white, you can bet he would be described as a child.
From “Prosecuting Juveniles in Adult Court”: “75% of juvenile defendants charged with drug offenses in adult court are black” http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/sp/juvenile.pdf
Or closer to the truth from the Onion: http://www.theonion.com/video/judge-rules-white-girl-will-be-tried-as-black-adul,18896/
Apparently, Zimmerman’s father is a retired judge. We also know that it was the DA who called off the police when they laid out the possibility of a murder rap. Elder Zimmerman – DA: Buddies in the judicial system, perhaps?
It’s not about the personal attacks on his bee girls, as near as I can figure out, but more about the ‘nature’ part of living. My ‘nature’ part of living means buying food from local organic meat & vegie farmers. His is about hunting himself. As he shares (venison, not squirrels or opposom or other critters), I don’t probe too deeply.
Zimmerman is, what, 30-something? Do you have a link to his father’s retired judge resume?
Not doubting, just trying to get info. The whole thing sucks. I admit I’ve made up my mind. But still trying to collect evidence, which will either reinforce my conclusions or demolish them.
Another point-of-info. Zimmerman is allegedly hispanic despite his surname. Father’s ethnic history? Mother? Inquiring minds…
Zimmerman is the poster child for every control addict and punishment freak who needs to pack a gun to assuage their irrational and propaganda-abetted fear of The Other. The politician with the hooker in the trunk is just one man. A whole lot of folks identify with Zimmerman.
“It’s the folks who live in cities or suburbs and work at desk jobs and still feel threatened that baffle me.”
Think of it as a twisted, fear-addled, Fascist version of “The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.”
It would be interesting to learn what his ‘hispanic’ heritage is. Cubans are prevalent, of course, in Florida. But Cubans don’t really rate the ‘hispanic’ label with my west coast Mexicans. A whole other group. (which I’m not sure the Republicans realize about Rubio. Cubans are thought to think much too well of themselves. And many of the successful Cubans were Cuban elites who were not so good for the general populace of Cuba.)
I’ve read too that Zimmerman’s father is a retired judge.
I believe I’ve read Zimmerman’s mother is Peruvian or half, which would explain why Zimmerman not only looks Hispanic, but indigenous.
Thanks.
Think it might be retiring hour.
Yep, der google says mother is Peruvian. That’s ‘hispanic’.
Faux New and the The Right is trying to portrait Zimmerman as “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance “, in truth what this lying bushwhacking xenophobe did was kill a father and mother unarmed child in the dawn of his life.
Well the WaPo felt the need to weigh in:
“Who is George Zimmerman?” (WashingtonPost.Com, By Manuel Roig-Franzia, Tom Jackman and Darryl Fears, Mar. 23, 2012)
So apparently Robert Zimmerman Sr. is ex-military and is not any old magistrate but one that served the Commonwealth of Virginia’s Supreme Court in the Greater Metropolitan Washington, DC area on the N. Virginia side of the Federal District. One might wonder if he served in the same county in which his wife worked as a court clerk (translator)– Prince Williams County– but someone with proper database accesses needs to find out the details.
Interesting. Also, what was Zimmerman’s work when he wasn’t out tracking young black kids and people who played music too loud? Who is George Zimmerman and what made him want so much to be a cop?
It’s all so sad that a 17 year old kid is dead for George Zimmerman’s needs.
I think George Zimmerman wanted to be a cop because of the power trip.
Great diary, and catch PW, bless ya.
Zimmerman must hang, Judge Roy Bean would want it this way.
Harumph.
Apparently you people have not gotten the memo, Martin (NO_LIMIT_NIGGA) attacked Zimmerman, not the other way around.
Really? Because from what I see in this video(what appears to be a white t shirt under a lightweight red and black jacket) I think there is a very real chance that Zimmerman was on top of Martin. One of the eyewitness accounts states that a guy in a white tshirt was atop the other(and from accounts Trayvon was dressed in a grey hoodie and since he didn’t get up from the encounter it’s pretty clear HE did not remove and then replace clothing.)
Nope, the more I see, the more I think this stinks to high heaven.
With all due respect this isn’t entirely true. After getting upside a head by a baseball bat back in 2005 my son was released after a scan and an Xray.
That being said, an EMT staff would likely have insisted that a trip to the hospital was in order if they arrived on the scene and someone was insisting they’d had their head hit cement. I don’t know a single medical professional or paraprofessional that would have blown that off(and risked the person having a head trauma). I wonder if there is a treat and release form floating around? EMTs have paperwork they fill out when they are called to a scene too.
The police’s best friend is the informant. Zimmerman was one. He is being protected and has had 30 days of freedom. He’s got cover and an alibi and the Florida justice system(hah) and a nat’l media concern, Fox, protecting him as well. Cops lie everyday to cover up their shortcuts. And to protect one of their own. Zimmerman is that. This is murder not community policing or neighborhood watch. I have been through this, to some extent, and if the truth is the first victim of war, then, it is in this country’s legal system as well. War on Drugs, War on Crime and War on those who don’t accept the plea bargain or fight the frame-up. Cops are framing certain groups in this country everyday. That you go through your day unaware of this phenomena doesn’t make it less true. The Justice in the justice system doesn’t exist for many; the black, the brown, the poor and the politically active. Get used to it. The police state is not going away but you may be.
Zimmerman’s story never did make sense. Why would he need to exit his vehicle to read a street sign that is meant to be read from inside your car? Why would he not know what street he was on when he had been patrolling that neighborhood for months? How could Martin sneak up on a vigilant, pursuing Zimmerman to hit him? Why would Martin do that when he was trying to evade Zimmerman?
I’m hatin’ the law and the climate of hate that begets it more than I’m hating this obviously disturbed person of color who killed Trayvon Lewis in cold blood. There have been 50 or 60 cases now where Floridians claimed their right to kill someone under the terms of the law, and they ALL want investigating.
Stalked by Zimmerman, Lewis would have had a right under the terms of that selfsame law TO ATTACK Zimmerman, to fight back. So any wounds Zimmerman sustained would hardly have suggested culpability on Lewis’s part. The video makes clear that no such thing happened, however, and in refuting Zimmerman’s story throws the injustice of Lewis’s death into further relief.
BTW: Spike Lee = idiot. As if the specter of vigilante justice wasn’t what fueled the bad law and murder in the first place. Stop holding ten-thousand-dollar-a-plate soirees for the Obamas and get your thinking cap back in place. There’s a difference between the rebellion that this bad system requires and vengeful vigilantism.
I haven’t seen one word explaining why he stalked this kid with a gun. That sounds predatory to me, not protective.
But I wonder why the Libs and ‘progressives’ are so worked up over this, but don’t care one damn bit about Obama slaughtering black people in Libya? Oh wait, he didn’t do it with his own hands, and it wasn’t really a war (!!!!!!!!!!!), so it’s ok? How many innocent people are being slaughtered by Obama’s various covert ops in Syria? How about by the Obama-backed government in Honduras? Why aren’t progressives going nuts over these things? Even if you want to tie it all to the Trayvon Martin case, as if that was the only thing that mattered, don’t you think that lawless vigilante behavior on a grand scale by the US government basically legitimates such behavior by individuals defending their ‘gated estates’? If doing the right thing – ie. not stalking and killing people – is wrong, it’s as wrong for Obama as it is for Zimmerman.
Right on. If vigilante behavior is good for Obama, it’s good for Zimmerman. If it’s wrong for Zimmerman, which it surely is, its a thousand times wronger for Obama.
the police are protecting Zimmerman because he is the son of a judge.
Informant? how many crimes did he solve for police? More like pest.
The police state is something many people in this country have lived with for decades or for always. Now the middle class in America, and even the upper middle class, is finally beginning, just beginning, to realize that they live in a police state, and that their privileges are gradually being revoked.
Too bad they didn’t care until the boots showed up on their doorstep.
why don’t you read all the articles here before making this type of comment. you’ll find lots of people are also up in arms about many of Obama’s actions. sheesh.
Ding! Well put.
Apparently you didn’t get the memo blacks, also, have a right of self defense if being stalked by an a assassin. Dude get a grip.
And yet, it seems, didn’t leave so much as a mark. Come on, shitter, it’s one thing to be a troll, but do you really think that contradicting the police video linked in the diary is going to win you brownie points?
Please be respectful shoot could be dick face shooter cheney.
He’s spending time in recovery with little to do so he may be visiting us.
I’m sorry, but I don’t get it. You wrote “respectful” and “could be Cheney” in the same sentence. I know what those words mean, but they don’t make any sense together.
New heart, new hope . I agree about the old dick.
Perhaps you misread my post? I AM obliquely criticizing the outpouring of anger toward Zimmerman by suggesting that it may be somewhat misplaced. But it is Spike Lee’s increasing wealthy-person centrism that I criticism in relationship to Obama, not yours. Some possibility that you should follow your own advice regarding careful reading? All best.
Please see my response to doremi below. I get that Lewis’s death is heinous–I live in FL and am surrounded by people who are incensed about it, include myself among them (I have a mixed-race child, and am frightened that this could happen to my child). But hot air and hostility toward Zimmerman is less useful than identifying the (perpetually) racist state and legislature as facilitators of the crime and many like it. In the end all the hot air just doesn’t look much different than the hot air on conservative websites–it threatens to obscure the larger picture. I get that few people here actually want to parse the issues carefully, but I regret it. I came her to take refuge from another site where lazy liberal thinking also dominated!
And yes, I have been following the issue carefully, not just here. Best.
PW, Thanks.
I’m still waiting for more on the reason Zimmerman was provoked enough to get out of his car with the gun. Will we have more than one official story on that too?
Indeed. I agree. Zimmerman–and all his apparent paranoia and sadism–is a symptom, not a cause. Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I was seconding imka’s comment @ 106 not dosidos.
Disappointed to hear about Lee. He’s one of my favorite directors.