Amid all the blame-gaming going on, and the efforts by hidden-agenda folks to push certain non-factual narratives, there is one key fact that stands out about the Wisconsin recall vote this week — namely, this one:
Sixty percent of Wisconsin voters in today’s recall election say recall elections are only appropriate for official misconduct, according to early CBS News exit polls. Twenty-eight percent said they think they are suitable for any reason, while nine percent think they are never appropriate.
In other words, most Wisconsin voters likely saw this second recall effort not as a legitimate action against someone unfit for office, but as pure revenge or political payback.
Now, one can argue over whether the forces aligned against Walker could have done a better job making the case that Walker is indeed unfit even without the indictments that have been broadly hinted were withheld to avoid influencing the election. But as David Dayen notes, John Nichols, who knows the Wisconsin political scene as well as anyone, told Dayen back in February of 2011 that the recall effort against Walker would likely not succeed:
He understood the shift in the power dynamic here. The unions were punched in the gut by Act 10, and they had a series of poor choices, which they bungled in their own right. This may have been a wake-up call to the left, but that should have happened the moment that Walker stripped workers of their collective bargaining rights.
One suspect that if Nichols understood the effort against Walker to be doomed back in February 2011, a number of other people also did, and thus decided not to join it. Hell, even 36% of union households voted for Walker in the recall, a percentage similar to the percentage of union households that voted for him in 2010. Granted, a lot of unions are conservative ones like police and fire unions, but it’s still surprising that the unions weren’t able to bring more of their membership to back the recall.
But even though the effort to remove Walker didn’t work, he’s still hobbled for at least the rest of the year by the impending Democratic Senate majority, which came about thanks to recalls pursued against several Republican state senators. Walker had been crowing about his plans to do what he did last year: call a special session, once he survived the recall, so he could ram through “right-to-work” (aka right to starve) legislation, a mining bill, and other nasty stuff. That’s not going to happen now.
So pardon me if I’m not putting on a hair shirt over this. Darn things itch, anyway.




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Couple of things PW. I heard that there were significantly less votes in favor of the recall than there were people who signed the recall petitions. Is that correct?
Also, I noticed you’ve done a few posts on this topic. Can you sum up you take on the recall? Perhaps you have and I missed it.
Thanks PW,
In forty plus years of voting in WI I have never been asked about anything in any exit poll. I think large parts of rural WI are ignored in this process.
People I know were simply appalled with the demonization of public sector workers, especially teachers, as the sole cause of our state’s economic woes. Next people were appalled with the covert redistricting and illegal non-disclosure agreements signed by republican legislators, the near total absence of public hearings on new legislation and total exclusion of the democratic party voice on every level in the process of suppression of voter rights, denial of state courts remedies in worker/employee disputes, the religious agenda items like mandated inclusion of abstinence education and the tax increases in the form of removal of homestead credits and increased costs for badger-care safety net medical services for the needy.
Gestapo tactics in the state capitol against filming legislators or recording “public,” proceedings, concealed carry, equal pay for women disenfranchisement, and on and on, kept people stoked. This was premeditated disaster capitalism with Walker coming into the statehouse with a budget that was balanced and is now worse than when he arrived. Nuff said.
The state democratic convention in Appleton is this weekend.
So
Since there is a discrepancy between the exit polls and the “results” I have to ask. How many voters were suppressed?
How many votes were counted on Diebold, Triad and ES&S voting machines? Just one more reason to NEVER forgive John Kerry, John Edwards and the Democratic Party. This is what I have been screaming about since 2004.
Do not expect this aspect to be broached by the Democratic Party apologists.
Good old Minnesot-ah.
You are using Corporate media analysis to get to the bottom of it …. You can’t be serious.
Don’t forget the Iraq war….Corporate media told us that Iraq was flush with WMD’s.jus’ sayin’.
How NOBLE of the Wisconsinites! yeaaahhhhh!
I don’t believe those exit polls for one milisecond.
There is NOTHING noble as to the real reasons people vote against their own interests. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html
Collectively, Wisconsin voted for what it wanted. And will get just what it deserves.
“How many votes were counted on Diebold, Triad and ES&S voting machines? Just one more reason to NEVER forgive John Kerry, John Edwards and the Democratic Party. This is what I have been screaming about since 2004.”
Hey Mike,
I really don’t want to hear dems whine about this. This has been a known issue for several years yet the dems had the power and still have to a lesser degree, yet they do nothing. One has to ask why!
I do not ask why the Dems do not talk about it. I already know.
Hint- The uni-party and their legacy money.
Exactly.
That’s a pretty convenient exit poll. I did, however, see an ad about this, paid for by the Koch brothers or one of their groups. The way it was put together was masterful – the people in it were very believable Wisconsinites. I only happened to see the ad on Democracy Now.
Still, I think people swayed by the ad, or citing that argument as a reason for voting down the recall, were just looking for a reason to justify what they already wanted to do…
Katherine
Funny how that question wasn’t asked in the California recall that annointed The Terinator as the Governor.
And I’m betting 95% of those that answered recall is only for official misconduct never said anything remotely close to that during The Terminator’s campaign.
Idiots. IMPEACHMENT is for official misconduct.
Going overboard politically is EXACTLY what recalls are for.
It’s just another example of right wing hypocrisy though. And still, why wan’t that question asked in the exit polls in California??? Or was it and I’m misremembering?
Wisconsin got the governor they deserve.
IIRC, there were around 900,000 recall signatures and Barrett got north of 1.1 million votes.
Be interesting to see the legislative history behind the bill that gave Wisconsin recall elections. Bet you good money one of the arguments used for it’s passage was something along the lines of “The recall is to give the people a right to fire a candidate who doesn’t live up to their expectations when their conduct doesn’t rise to the level of impeachment.”
I don’t buy it. People voted against themselves – - again. Money had a lot to do with it.
I think it is time to leave the Wisconsin election behind. Truly, none of us have to love there, and besides, the sooner the entire country moves along its current trajectory, the better. Elections like this one hasten the ongoing decline and collapse and bring ever-closer the revived awareness and active response of the working population.
Ain’t that the truth.
Having Barrett as the Dem candidate didn’t help. It made it seem as though the Dems just wanted a mulligan on the 2010 election.
Still. If you hate Walker but you disapprove of recalls in principle, you get out and vote… FOR Walker? Apparently a lot did and this makes no sense to me. That’s like hating other people for mowing their lawns on Sunday because you don’t like the noise, and instead of mowing your own lawn, which needs it, you go out and set fire to the grass.
I agree it’s time to move on vis-a-vis who “won” in Wisconsin, but I hope many folks keep their noses to the ground and ears open for any possible evidence of “irregularities” there.
It’s awful funny how when the exit polls don’t match the election result, it’s assumed the election is faudulent in other countries but it’s assumed the exit polls are wrong in this one.
Yeah, real funny that.
I would urge anyone that lives in Wisconsin to download all the phone books in the state and randomly call 20 people to see if they voted in the recall and if so who they voted for. I’m betting the results would be far different from the official “count.”
Certainly the Democrats are not the party to seize upon the working class outrage at our being reduced to automatons existingnto serve the very rich. They are worthless and long past their prime. What do you expect from them, anyway?
One out of two ain’t bad.
There were two objectives in the recall. One of them was to recall Walker. The other was to take back control on the State Senate.
The flood of money supporting Walker combined with the lack of support for Barrettt from the national Democrats made that race a long shot.
But the second objective was accomplished. Also against long odds.
My guess is both objectives could have been accomplished with more support for the Walker race.
I think we should proclaim victory because the Walker rape of Wisconsin should be over.
I’m reminded of Euclid saying “there is no Royal Road to geometry”;
likewise there is no Royal Road to fundamental change in America; it’s F’ing hard and it requires Constitutional change.
I disdain this attempt at recall as a lot of energy wasted on the wrong path.
There was this outrageous meme that a recall was somehow anti-democratic, being against the results of elections, rather than being a democratic tool for people to have elections more often than the set periodic ones.
What really floored me was that Wyatt Cenac on the Daily Show was reinforcing this meme in a bit just before the recall election.
What is the point of changing the Constitution if it is being ignored anyway?
I’m with you on this one, Katherine. I’m very skeptical about this poll, not because I have any particular knowledge with regard to politics in Wisconsin — but because it’s my experience as a human being that a rather rarefied principle like “recalls are just wrong” means very little to people when they want or don’t want something.
And let’s not even get into the fact that this high-sounding rationalization is being taken seriously in a nation that has embraced military empire, war, torture, indefinite detention and its Assassin-in-Chief while ignoring drone-killed innocents, a record number of families on food stamps, long-term unemployed, unaffordable healthcare and the impunity of the criminal classes generally. I’d puke if I wasn’t all puked out.
A question to any Wisconsins:
Locally, was this discussed in Wisconsin?
It would be interesting to know if this was a campaign tactic used by Walker and Republicans.
I think, also, the time between the decision to push for a recall, and the election itself was way too long. People were tired of it, had forgotten what started it all in the first place, and had months to hear Walker’s $30 million propaganda.
On top of which, I think the wrong guy got nominated by the Dems, and he ran the wrong campaign. Of course, although I’ve tried to follow it from afar, my knowledge is limited. But yeah, I’ll bet that having the same opponent made it seem like just sour grapes losers wanting a do-over to many people.
I’d feel better if I thought that Dems, Greens, Socialists, whoever runs candidates in this country, would learn the right lessons and act on them. Sadly, I doubt that that will happen.
Thanks.
BAR tackles the larger question :
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wisconsin-what-happens-when-movements-turn-campaigns
Notwithstanding 60% thinking recalls are just for misconduct, I think some bad habits were learned by those same voters and reinforced on Tues.
So. . . When is Walker up for re-election the old fashioned way? Two years? If so maybe there’s time to slide this misadventure onto the back burner and reconstruct a conventional campaign against him.
yes BAR hit nail on head
them and tarpley get past propaganda
tarpley on Guns Butter audio http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/81240
world mobilizes against banksters,Greeks throw out 2 party system,
anti austerity, jail bankers, restore cut wages,
while in US facism wins in WI, ruling class picks romeny even worse picks OH gov much worse than walker for vice president
“People I know were simple appalled with the demonization of public sector workers…
A true, and poignant statement, I believe. The conservative flaying of government, especially, the federal government, is the bedrock of their insanity.
And all the more reason to scorn Barack Obama for doing, or even saying, practically nothing to stop it.
The stupidity of people who aren’t willing to take control, even when given the opportunity,is astounding. I guess that’s why the 1% are in control, and the 99% sit on their asses.