
(This post expands on comments I originally made here.)
A couple of weeks ago on Bill Moyers’ Journal, Kathleen Hall Jamieson made a point we don’t hear often enough:
Unless you start by asking the public in a poll what they know, what the baseline level of knowledge is, it doesn’t matter what the public thinks ultimately about a piece of legislation or not because you can be reflecting uninformed public opinion.
Those of us who’ve questioned the frequent invocations of high public support for “the public option” have been hammering this point ad nauseum. And now an AARP-sponsored poll released last week drives home the degree to which most people have no clue as to the actual nature of the public option on offer in current legislation.
As the scrupulous political weathervane Nate Silver reports, the poll finds that only 37% of respondents (and only 41% of Democrats) could distinguish an accurate description of an HR 3200-style public option from British-style socialized medicine, regional co-ops, or don’t-know. Indeed, almost a quarter of Democrats equated the public option with the British system.
Silver notes that elsewhere in the poll, to gauge support for the public option, the pollsters used a different, inaccurate, definition: “Starting a new federal health insurance plan that individuals could purchase if they can’t afford private plans offered to them.” Silver writes:
Seventy-nine percent of the poll’s respondents — including 61 percent of Republicans — say they’d support this proposal. But it seems to be a very different proposal from the "public option" that Penn, Schoen and Berland took so much care to define, or the one that is actually being debated before Congress. Rather than offering health insurance at "market rates", the public option has been transformed in this question into a sort of fallback policy for people who are priced out of the market. Moreover, the term "government" has been replaced by the softer but more ambiguous term "federal".
As a commenter to Silver’s article noted, describing the public option as “government funded” may be partly accurate, but an even more precise definition of the public option in current legislation would be “a non-profit insurance plan set up by the government but funded by premiums paid by policy holders.” How many more people would have gotten the answer wrong had this even more accurate definition been used and instead of the British system, the pollsters had swapped in “a government insurance system like Medicare freely available to all Americans under 65” (ie, Howard Dean’s disingenuous depiction)?
Meanwhile, multiple polls, worded in multiple ways, have shown that a majority of Americans support universal national health insurance set up and funded like Medicare. Unlike polls asking about the public option, we can feel more confident that the respondents, having at worst one degree of separation from Medicare itself, had a decent clue as to what they were voicing support for.
As Silver points out, the AARP-sponsored poll was internet-based, and so its precision is highly suspect. However, with regard to questions of knowledge as opposed to opinion, this most likely skewed the poll in the direction of more, rather than fewer, correct responses. After all, the sampling was restricted to people capable of turning on their computers, finding the internet, scrolling and clicking through multiple questions and responses, and hitting the “Submit” button. That automatically weeds out a portion of Americans with no fighting chance of educating themselves about health care reform through non-mainstream media.
I’m not putting this out as, necessarily, an argument against advocating for Obamacare in its current incarnations. However, these findings serve as a warning of the resentment likely to arise should the public option, as currently crafted, come into being and smash headlong into the public’s raised expectations.



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I’m with you on the polling, but this seems like a leap. I think you’ll need to find a poll that tests if Americans actually know what Medicare is and how it works first to make that conclusion.
What are you saying? That people are sufficiently ignorant of what Medicare is that they’ll mistakenly believe they have it if the public option passes? Even though the public option is decidedly not Medicare and in fact won’t even be available to most Americans for many years, if ever?
How can it not be a setup for disappointment that the “free choice” of a public plan in fact will not exist for most Americans on group plans because it will either be prohibitive or prohibited? (We never actually resolved that question in the earlier thread.)
One-quarter of internet-competent Democrats think the public option will be socialized medicine, and they want it!! They’re not going to be disappointed to learn that it’s not only not socialized medicine, but it’s not Medicare for All, or even Medicare for all who want it?
Or are you saying, conversely, that if most Americans knew what Medicare actually is, they’ll be pleased to learn that, Howard Dean’s promises notwithstanding, they won’t be getting it under the public option?
No, I’m saying your last point doesn’t make sense. You set up an entire piece proving (fairly accurately, I think) that most people don’t know what a public option is or what it would do for them, and then you say that they’ll be disappointed when they don’t get the thing (or some version of the thing) they don’t know anything about anyway.
And you also compare it to Medicare polls, but you’re assuming that most Americans know what Medicare is anyway. I’m not so sure they do, given the number that think the government should stay out of it. So claiming they have a decent clue of what they’re supporting is a leap for me.
Not that I think it’s not possible, but I’d like to see the polling first before I conclude that Americans can pick Medicare out of a lineup but not the public option.
I actually liked this piece, and I think the polling is worth looking at. I’m just not sure about the conclusion.
Jason, thanks for clarifying, and I appreciate your appreciation of the bulk of the post.
To your points, Medicare is an actual program with which millions of people have direct experience now and their children and grandchildren have at least partial familiarity. Polls show that people who have Medicare are highly satisfied with it; if you want, I’ll chase down the specific data, although Jacob Hacker cites it a lot.
The polls I cite regarding high public support for single-payer national health insurance often draw an analogy to Medicare to help people understand what’s being talked about, through reference to something in their likely sphere of experience. The national health insurance described in these polls fairly accurately describes the program that would be implemented under HR 676.
Most polls gauging support for a public option describe an aspirational policy far more robust than what HR 3200 (much less the Senate HELP bill) would embody. Moreover, this policy is often misleadingly pitched as Medicare for all who want it. I’m not aware of opinion polls that have described the public option as accurately as in the AARP survey’s knowledge test. And unfortunately, as Nate Silver points out, when that poll asked about people’s desires, it switched to a less accurate, more aspirational, description of the public option.
Therefore, it’s completely logical to expect mass disappointment when the aspirational public option for which people express high support gives way to the actual public option, which by comparison will be delayed in implementation; constrained in availability; and hobbled in risk-pooling and bargaining power.
I quite agree. If we get HR 3200 or a bill like it, the Democrats will lose the House in 2010, because they are raising expectations, and will, at best, be delivering a mouse. They’re in the process of committing political suicide.
This is an intelligent way of formatting the dilemma we all face here.
I think we both agree that if this thing passes, budgetary constraints will impinge, and people may develop some resentment.
The question is whether that resentment can be channeled in constructive directions or not.
Will it be possible to say, in, say, 2015 (given the 2013 implementation date of HR3200, assuming the GOP doesn’t take over Congress in 2010 and repeal it), “we can’t be about taking people’s insurance away, we’ve got to get the private insurance leeches out of the system”?
I think the answer is maybe. I don’t think the public’s expectations of Obamacare are all that high to begin with. What’s motivating many of the antis, I think, is a general sense that everything is getting worse, so why should this be any different. Things suck without Universal Health Care and they’ll probably suck with it.
I’m don’t think we’re in a worse position having passed HR3200 than not having passed it. I think we’re in a bit better position.
ralphbon, Just to underline the point. What kind of poll about the meaning of the PO leaves the Medicare for All alternative out of the response choices, but includes a national healthcare system like the UK? This, in itself is mind boggling, considering that so many Americans are living under Medicare and so many others have heard about it from their parents or grandparents.
Why can’t we have pools on politics that are minimally professional? As I’ve said in another place, polls can’t escape from framing, but that doesn’t excuse framing that is either consciously biased, or just plain incompetent.
Actually, I think it’s to the pollsters’ credit that they included an informational test in their survey. And including as outrageous a red herring as Britain’s NHS could be regarded as a test of how many respondents take teabagger arguments seriously. But I do agree that it would be valuable to know how many people mistakenly think the public option is synonymous with Canadian-style single payer or Howard Dean’s “Medicare for all who want it.”
In their opinion questions, the pollsters did test on Medicare for All, gauging support for “Having a national health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan.” Phrased this way, single payer got 44% support overall, 61% from Democrats, 18% from Republicans. A bit lower than in national polls with more rigorous methodology, but not out of the ballpark.
Thanks for the clarifying comment.
Is it any wonder that the average American doesn’t understand the options being debated in Washington, what with 65% of the MSM coverage being devoted to the incoherent ranting of the tea-baggers, 25% devoted to the Republican
disinformation and bat-shit insane liestalking-points, and the rest hopelessly mired in jargon intended to obscure it’s meaning?As has happened with increasing frequency for the last decade or so, we’re being treated to in-depth coverage of the horse-race, with no time left for any real reportage as concerns the substance of the issue.
another great diary. thanks ralphbon.
bravo, ralphbon. i find myself wanting to sip the public option kool-aid, wanting to be reassured that the common good will be protected from the shark attacks.
i get all hot and bothered reading fdl and other progressives blogs and then I realize the apathy around me. Denial, trust in government, exhaustion, laziness, cynicism and hopelessness.
Ignorance and “assumptions” are the enemy. And when the oligarchs control the media … there is propaganda no teacherly consciousness raising there.
Appreciate the poll and your diary. Very valuable revelation.
I’m with you ralphbon. We need to go around the oligarch controlled media. We had a town meeting with Tester reps yesterday. We sat in a square facing each other instead of lined up in rows facing forward. The Tester staffer moderated as we did not “cross talk” but talked to the whole group. Everyone got to have their say and explain their positions. There were about 50% single payer Medicare for All people and 25% total wing nuts and the other 25% misinformed. I came with statistics especially on “tort reform” which seems to be mentioned at every one of these I’ve been to. I told one right wing county commissioner that he had a right to be outraged by expensive CAT scan equipment. “If we had cost controls like other countries like Japan, we’d have $98 MRIs and not $1500 ones. The Japanese engineers are kicking our butts because they were forced to come up with more efficient machines. But the corrupt system we have here doesn’t care about innovation anymore.”
Anyway, you get the picture. Our meeting was so successful that we plan on having another one next week without the Tester people. Start local.
Thanks, MM. If you’re still poking your head in, I found this letter to the editor enlightening with regard to overpriced tests and procedures.
OT to ralphbon (and anyone else who wants to read): i had a long (and probably incoherent) comment on your previous thread (a related “choice” of public plan question) that was lost during a temporary power outage and when i tried to retype it, i missed the open comments period. i’m going to take that as a message (at least for now) and not try to retype it here.
i do want to ask though about hr 3200. was the version of hr 3200 (linked to comment @11 in previous thread) the one you were using? if so, i think it may not be the most up to date version? it’s the 7/14 version, but waxman’s ecc passed their compromise markup on, i think, 7/31. shouldn’t that be the one we’re reading? there were lots of changes, but i don’t know if any of them affected the po. anyway, i called the ecc and asked where to find the text of the bill they passed out of committee — and was told that it was not posted yet (summary not either) and might not be for a while (”early fall” ???). until then the only thing i can think of is to read the amendments (yikes! don’t think i’m up for that).
anyway…. as per usual, i am so confused.
I was mostly using the un-marked-up tri-committee version but in places referred to rules as stipulated in markup as noted in this extremely handy resource produced by the Kaiser Family Foundation.