It takes a special kind of bully to target the most vulnerable and neediest families in society, which millionaire politicians like to argue are draining America’s treasury. I am referring to Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA), who recently introduced a bill that would require states to implement drug testing of applicants for and recipients of the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program. This is reminiscent of Sen. Orrin Hatch’s (R-UT) failed legislation last summer to drug test the unemployed and those receiving other forms of government cash assistance, which ultimately died in the Senate. So far, Boustany’s proposal is following the same fate as Hatch’s, but around the country states are taking matters into their own hands.
In at least 30 state Legislatures across America, predominately wealthy politicians are quite impressed with themselves for considering bills that would limit the meager amount of state help given to needy families struggling to make ends meet. Many have proposed drug testing with some even extending it to recipients of other public benefits as well, such as unemployment insurance, medical assistance, and food assistance, in an attempt to add more obstacles to families’ access to desperately needed aid.
Florida’s Legislature has passed a bill that will require welfare applicants to take drug tests before they can receive state aid. Once signed into law by Republican Gov. Rick Scott, which is likely, all adult recipients of federal cash benefits will be required to pay for the drug tests, which are typically around $35. In Maine, Republican lawmakers introduced two proposals that would impose mandatory drug testing on Maine residents who are enrolled in MaineCare, the state’s Medicaid program for low-income and disabled residents. Under a similar bill that passed both the House and Senate in Missouri, recipients found to be on drugs will still be eligible for benefits only if they enter drug treatment programs, though the state wouldn’t pick up the tab for their recovery.
In Massachusetts —where about 450,000 households receive cash or food assistance — a bill introduced by state Rep. Daniel B. Winslow (R-Norfolk) would set up a program requiring those seeking benefits to disclose credit limits and assets such as homes and boats, as well as the kind of car they drive. His reasoning is “If you have two cars and a snowmobile, then you aren’t poor. If we do this, we will be able to preserve our limited resources for those who are truly in need and weed out fraud, because we know there’s fraud and we’re not looking for it.” State Rep. Daniel K. Webster (R-Pembroke) filed a budget amendment requiring the state to verify immigration status of those seeking public benefits. Webster made it clear that his proposal does not mean he dislikes poor people or immigrants, but “this is all unsustainable and the system is being abused.”
This is rather shocking because I can’t recall any Republicans or Democrats demanding that the CEO of Bank of America or JP Morgan disclose inventory of their vacation homes, private jets, and yachts before bailing them out in what amounts to corporate welfare. Nor did they insist that these CEOs submit to alcohol and drug screenings before receiving taxpayer money. No objections were made regarding the immigration status of the people running these companies or whether they happen to employ undocumented workers for cheap labor.
Some would argue that corporations are different, in that they create jobs. To that I will point out that corporations are making record profits, even as they layoff workers and pay next to nothing in Federal income taxes. And this doesn’t even begin to scratch at the surface of corporate abuse by the very entities that are soaked in taxpayer money. Just contrast these proposals with the way the rich are treated in this country with billions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks.
This is simply an extension of a conversation that began in 1996, when President Bill Clinton and House Speaker Newt Gingrich passed bipartisan welfare reform, whose results have been tragic to say the least. The 1996 Welfare Reform Act authorized, but did not require, states to impose mandatory drug testing as a prerequisite to receiving state welfare assistance. Back then, unproven allegations of criminal behavior and drug abuse among welfare recipients were the rationales cited by those in support of the bill’s many punitive measures that were infused with race, class, and gender bias.
The majority of the proposals for drug testing require no suspicion of drug use whatsoever. Instead they rest on the assumption that the poor are inherently inclined to immoral and illegal behavior, and therefore unworthy of privacy rights as guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment. These proposals simply reaffirm the longstanding concept of the poor as intrinsically prone to and deserving of their predicament. Jordan C. Budd, in his superb analysis Pledge Your Body for Your Bread: Welfare, Drug Testing, and the Inferior Fourth Amendment, demonstrates how the drug testing of welfare recipients is part of what’s called a “poverty exception” to the Constitution, particularly the Fourth Amendment, a bias that renders much of the Constitution irrelevant at best, and hostile at worst, to the American poor.
Kaaryn Gustafson extensively documents the trend toward the criminalization of poverty. She demonstrates how, in her words “welfare applicants are treated as presumptive liars, cheaters, and thieves,” which is “rooted in the notion that the poor are latent criminals and that anyone who is not part of the paid labor force is looking for a free handout.” I would argue that given the disdain that has been shown for “entitlements” over the years, it won’t be long before this treatment extends to Social Security, Medicare, and even Financial Aid recipients.
The notion that the poor are more prone to drug use has no basis in reality. Research shows that substance use is no more prevalent among people on welfare than it is among the working population, and is not a reliable indicator of an individual’s ability to secure employment. Furthermore, imposing additional sanctions on welfare recipients will disproportionately harm children, since welfare sanctions and benefit decreases have been shown to increase the risk that children will be hospitalized and face food insecurity. In addition, analysis shows that drug testing would be immensely more expensive than the acquired savings in reduced benefits for addicts
With regard to welfare legislation, it’s beneficial to highlight where on the class ladder members of Congress stand. According to a study by the Center for Responsive Politics released late last year, nearly half of the members in congress — 261 — were millionaires, compared to about 1 percent of Americans. The study also pointed out that 55 of these congressional millionaires had an average calculated wealth in 2009 of $10 million dollars and up, with eight in the $100 million-plus range. A more recent study released in March, found that 60 percent of Senate freshman and more than 40 percent of House freshmen of the 112th congress are millionaires.
Why is this so important? Because very few of our lawmakers understand what it’s like to struggle financially. Millionaires can generally afford healthcare without grappling with unemployment, foreclosure, or an empty refrigerator. The majority of our representatives haven’t a clue what the daily lives of the people they represent are like, let alone the constant struggle of single mothers living below the poverty line. They are constantly arguing that we all must sacrifice with our pensions, our wages, our education, the security of our communities, and with the belly’s of our children, while they sit atop heavily guarded piles of money.
With the ranks of the underclass growing and the unemployment level at a staggering 9%, it’s more clear than ever that the wealth divide between “we the people” and our representatives has caused a dangerous disconnect. State and federal legislators claim to be acting fiscally responsible, but they support budgets that create unimaginably difficult circumstances for the lives of the most vulnerable people, especially children. There is no question that these newest proposals amount to class warfare, and the longer we ignore it, the more it will spread.



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Surely then, Wall St slime on corporate welfare should also be subject to drug testing? Which they would flunk due to rampant cocaine use, the drug of the terminally effete, amongst their foppish ranks.
They’d figure a way around it, even if they were tested (they should be, if poor folks are). Goldenseal. Baby urine. Something.
Recommended and tweeted.
And don’t tell the GOP anywhere, but, well, our last dumpster-dive-for-recycle hit… brought us more than twenty dollars!
Seriously, we know that it is probably a matter of time until they criminalize dumpster diving. I think they are currently reluctant because they love to rifle through the trash themselves. Without a warrant.
But they must be hating on us poor people hard because we have figured out the value of scrap metal!
Criminalizing being poor.
Who does that?
Scumbags.
Listen to this, this is the truth. I once seriously considered hawking clean urine on the internet for like seventy dollars a sample.
I had a little bit of freezer space and everything.
But then I went online to look at the laws. At the time several states had criminalized this practice. Apparently, one guy made quite a bit of money selling his clean urine to people, until they shut him down. Can’t remember the name of his business.
This is how it was done 400 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Poor_Laws
They have always hated us. Soon they will also fear us.
The notion that the poor are more prone to drug use has no basis in reality. Research shows that substance use is no more prevalent among people on welfare than it is among the working population, and is not a reliable indicator of an individual’s ability to secure employment.
Agree with your overall perspective, that we criminalize the poor in so many ways, but differ with you on this.
For one thing–like or not, most better-paying jobs do drug test, and this in effect either screens out substance users from applying or means that they cheat to get through the screening, but if they continue, they are likely caught and fired. I’ve witnessed that a lot of times, and even know of a person who quit his $15.50/hr job (this was in 1985, mind you) to work at $6/hr somewhere else when his company started drug testing. You may argue that this isn’t right, and in some cases I might agree, but it’s the current policy of many companies (often fully justifiable for safety reasons, you don’t want people doing potentially dangerous tasks under the influence of drugs/alcohol more than you want them to driving under it). It’s why people who take substances often migrate to lower-paying more transient jobs: fast food, construction, etc—where they aren’t drug-tested.
Secondly, even there, many struggle to hold a job. Get that paycheck, and it results in a drug spree. The next morning, they’re due at work, and they oversleep and get fired. I have witnessed the results of this first-hand, and my observations is that people who regularly engage in substance abuse (and this includes alcohol, in fact especially alcohol) tend to have job problems, period, even keeping minimum-wage jobs.
It is true that at the top of the economic ladder one can be seriously addicted and still keep a job, though at decreased functioning. After all, who’s going to tell the CEO to stop, and among the very rich it’s hard for them to blow all their money even if they tried (though some manage still).
Mind you, I don’t agree with any of these initiatives you cite above, and certainly I wouldn’t disqualify someone from receiving aid because of it (though I might agree that in some cases someone else should be appointed a custodian to handle that aid to make sure it’s spent on the things the recipient actually needs).
The damage that substance abuse and addiction (the two are not synonyms) does to this country is staggering. The fact that we don’t properly treat these people, who are in fact suffering from a form of mental illness, is akin to our overall national health care shame (because we don’t treat the other forms of mental illness either, and moreover alcohol and drugs are very often involved with other forms of mental illness too). I lose my status of ‘progressive’ by this comment but here I differ with many here.
stewartm
The wealthy do indeed hate us. I know them up close. They sit in their mansions and they laugh and mock us. You see they have won as they see it the BIG game AKA Life and the rest of us have LOST and deserve nothing but contempt. This is how it is and the sooner we come understand that “they” as a class hate us the better.
They want the poor in prison as laborers.
These prison industries have a better deal on cheap labor than plantation owners had with slaves.
The government has to pay for all the food, clothing, shelter, and medical care of prisoner. Businesses are paying American laborer pennies an hour for all kinds of light industrial production.
The United States is running labor camps getting business labor so cheap plantation owners would have drooled at it.
I agree. I think the U.S. government has actually turned into a criminal protection racket. It will take a lot of sustained effort to end this fascist trend. I am proposing a strategy for a first step during the 2012 election cycle. Please check out my post about a No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 strategy and let me know what you think…
We’ll know when they start to fear us when they start to actually do things that might help us. FDR, at least initially, feared for the survival of his social and economic class. That is why he launched the New Deal.
One justification of drug-testing welfare recipients is that recipients are expected to re-enter the work force, where employers test job applicants for drugs. By that logic, those who advocate tests should also be in favor of giving recipients a clothing allowance decent transportation, and child care, along with education needed to acquire the skills to get a job. Of course they aren’t, which makes it obvious that the main purpose of testing is to humiliate people who ask for public assistance.
And there’s a powerful whiff of racism at work here. Ronald Reagan and the Republicans have done a bang-up job of equating welfare recipients with racial minorities, and all the stereotypes about those minorities that go with it.
YES but there’s more.
Check out:
US Slave Codes
District of Columbia Slave Codes
US Reservation System– an introduction here and here
US Interment Camps but it’s important to study the whole piece
Regarding the Marianas Islands– “Slavery In An American Territory” (Oct. 21, 1999)
From “Native American adoption of African slavery“:
“Did Obama revoke more Americans’ rights than any President since the Great White Fathers? Yes, he did.” (Mar. 21, 2010)
Please keep asking questions!
This is part of why I wrote several posts on the topics of prisons and slavery (embedded with videos) and now in the FDL archives. If anyone wants to ask any questions on any of that material, just wave me down in the comments.
As Crane-Station is pointing out, the US is set up s.t once a person is designated “criminal” the mechanisms are in place s.t. s/he never leaves that caste and is often forced back into the formal prison system.
“Police: Man, 71, Robbed Bank To Get Prison Health Care” (July 26, 2010)
Such posts continue to be important (I hope and assume that ‘politicos’ visit the site and read them) and are appreciated, read and discussed more than you may know.
Absolutely love his choice of bank!
A no confidence vote from the left would simply allow Bush III to lose so we would then get Bush IV from the Republicans.
Support Ron Paul to end the Bush strain and change both parties from the inside.
Really? Because anecdotally I had an initial drug test at the 4 places of employment post military but following my hire got drug tested exactly zero times. My husband has been with his company 5 years with nary a test.
I think most employers are not anxious to drug test unless they see the person as a potential liability. It cuts into their bottom line. For that reason alone once you procure employment you can almost consider yourself home free.
No thanks. I’d prefer a candidate that didn’t think Jim Crow laws were wrong. Yuck.
I’m not sure how that would influence the Democratic party, but you’re right that it would shake up the fascist contingent in the Republican party. What we really need to do is take down both parties. Ron Paul could help us if he would leave the Republican party but he doesn’t seem to be willing to do that.
Although i dislike the idea for a couple of reasons you’re really spinning it way too hard.
“they rest on the assumption that the poor are inherently inclined to immoral and illegal behavior” No, they rest on the assumption that the limited monies available should go to putting food on the tables of “families struggling to make ends meet.” When there’s not enough for everyone whom do you think should have priority, the person trying to feed his kids or the person trying to feed his habit? The assumption is that if you’re receiving public assistance and spending money on drugs then you’re the one creating “more obstacles to families’ access to desperately needed aid”
I don’t think Rania’s spinning it at all. For one thing, the monies clearly are NOT limited when we can afford to be waging six shooting wars plus the clearly lost “war on drugs,” not to mention bailing out banks and subsidizing hugely profitable corporations while still refusing to raise taxes on the richest people in the history of the planet.
For another, the rich have cast aspersions on the moral character of the poor ever since there have been rich and poor. In ancient Greece, for example, rich philosophers such as Aristotle taught that the poor were poor because of their “lazy” nature, and that slaves were slaves due to their “servile” nature. Dickens mocked similar propaganda for the rich in his novels. Remember Scrooge saying that if the poor die it just reduces the surplus population?
Reagan just put a different twist on an ancient argument. The fact that people still fall for this crap is what is truly amazing to me.
Excellent diary entry. You’re right. These newest proposals are just another form of class warfare, on both the real and propaganda fronts. Recc’d.
Torture comes in different forms. The GOP is good at torture in any form.
I’m officially ashamed to be an American. We have a ruthless government, and are closing in on becoming what we originally rebelled against.
“monies clearly are NOT limited when we can afford to be waging six shooting wars”
Fine: when the DoD is eliminated and their funding transferred to safety net programs I’ll change my position. Until then monies ARE limited: take a look at the budget.
Yes, the rich have been sneering at the poor for all of recorded history. How does that relate to the question of whether people spending public assistance money on drugs are draining the system at the expense of those who want to spend it on food?
A criminal offense….unless you are eating souffle.
TODAY’S REPUBLICANISM IS THE VICTORY OF THE “ID” OVER THE “SUPEREGO”
Today’s Republicans don’t believe that intelligence, logic, compassion or an appreciation or acknowledgment of historical facts or legal precedents are required, relevant or worthy of consideration.
Driving jobs out of America and Americans out of their homes is “just business” to them; nothing “personal”.
Corporations should be given the same first amendment free speech rights as individual citizens so they can “buy” political candidates and elections, despite the fact that works against the best interests of working class Americans and further diminishes their political relevance/influence.
Pollution, global warming and deforestation are all improvable “myths” of egghead/tree hugger scientists who are “socialist” enemies of “over-regulated” capitalism. The earth, which right wing fundamentalist claim is less than 6,000 years old, will miraculously heal itself! All we have to do is “pray”.
For today’s mercenary self-focused deviant breed of dysfunctional near-sighted Republicans, it’s not about right or wrong, good or bad, fair or unfair, rational or irrational…..it’s about power and control, even if that means intellectual, moral, psychological and functional delusion, denial and dishonesty. They want what they want for no other reason than they WANT it……regardless of the consequences to themselves and everyone else! Somehow, that makes “them” feel good about themselves…..makes them “feel” safe.
I think you mean a candidate that does think Jim Crow laws were wrong, as Ron Paul does (if you read his actual statements instead of just the frothing headlines).
“I wouldn’t vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws,”
Would have opposed the Civil Rights Act “because of the property rights element, not because they got rid of the Jim Crow laws.”
“I’m not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I would never belong to any club that excluded anybody for race,”
TODAY’S REPUBLICANS ARE AMERICA’S ENEMY WITHIN
Republicans ARE practicing seditious DEMAGOGUERY and anti-democracy OBSTRUCTIONISM intended to destabilize our economy for purposes of social, political and financial exploitation.
Republicans AREN’T making a sincere effort to STOP the bleeding THEIR incompetent leadership and failed policies created. Instead, they’re using inflammatory lies and false accusations as a smokescreen to conceal their subversive agenda, which is to CAUSE the American economy to collapse and fail so they can blame Democrats for the consequences of THEIR calamitous mismanagement.
Republicans ARE preposterously professing that THEIR disgraceful political WHORING had nothing to do with the banking, real estate, stock market and employment catastrophes that resulted.
Republicans ARE trying to hamstring Democrats to prevent them from repairing the damage caused during a Republican presidency enabled by Republican Senators and Representatives.
Republicans ARE offering ridiculous arguments meant solely to disrupt and prevent constructive change. They’d rather create the suffering of American families than endure the political consequences of human-centered effective governance.
Republicans AREN’T the LOYAL OPPOSITION; they ARE the ENEMY WITHIN whose mercenary priorities have eroded THEIR moral and ethical standards to the point that duplicity and betrayal have become their preferred modus operandi.
It’s one thing to advocate conservative beliefs; it’s another thing entirely to willfully sabotage America’s government because a Democratic presidency would not be vulnerable to the avarice, fears and bigotries that have produced and sustained the despicable Republican anti-humanity corporatism and anti-Christian faux theocracies that are poisoning and crippling American society.
Nicely done. I’m a fan. In the words of Woody Guthrie “Some rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen.”
No, they rest on the assumption that the limited monies available should go to putting food on the tables of “families struggling to make ends meet.” When there’s not enough for everyone whom do you think should have priority, the person trying to feed his kids or the person trying to feed his habit?
Having taken Rania to task over this, I don’t believe it’s this particular either/or. I believe it’s perfectly possible to name a custodian who will manage the aid to a substance abuser, who will be held accountable to see that it is spent well.
After all, if you consider substance addiction a mental illness–and I do–that’s perfectly consistent with how we dictate aid is handled to those deemed unfit to handle it themselves. I know, because for a short period of time I had to play such a role.
stewartm
Would have opposed the Civil Rights Act “because of the property rights element, not because they got rid of the Jim Crow laws.”
Still privileging property rights over more essential human rights. No sale.
stewartm
I demand for all elected legislators be drug tested. I think theirs is the only job in America where drug testing isn’t implemented and is evidently the foremost place it should be. There is no other explanation for their behavior. They have got to be high on something, other than themselves. I think a petition should be circulated to drug test all our elected representatives as a condition of employment.
Well, then we differ. My experience is now that most working-class jobs making more than minimum wage require a drug test. Drive a forklift, weld pipe, work as an electrician, drive a truck, etc. etc. etc–almost guaranteed to be drug-tested.
As for myself, as a professional–I’m drug tested too. My company tests both new hires AND randomly drug-tests every employee. Not only are illicit drugs tested, so is alcohol–the limit being either a BAC of 0.02 or 0.04 (I forget which), well under most drunk driving laws. And the reason given for this policy is safety, there are a lot of jobs at my company which would be hazardous if you don’t have your full wits and reflexes with you.
-stewartm
I’d support such a bill if it also included urinalysis and breathalyzer testing on all members of congress immediately before any vote and when they return from any recess. It’s only fair.
“Yes, the rich have been sneering at the poor for all of recorded history. How does that relate to the question of whether people spending public assistance money on drugs are draining the system at the expense of those who want to spend it on food?”
Simple. Our rich ARE on public assistance in the forms of tax subsidies, paying little or no taxes, government bailouts, government contracts, government services they don’t even pay for, etc. And they suck up a LOT more from the system than all of the drug addicts in the country can even dream of.
As far as I am concerned, any measure that punishes any person just because they are poor, no matter what bad habits they may have, is an abomination until there is some kind of economic justice in this country.
although the vast majority of their kind do think this way, I would ask why you would say FDR specifically thought this way?
from someone who said,
“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
“Competition has been shown to be useful up to a certain point and no further, but cooperation, which is the thing we must strive for today, begins where competition leaves off.”
“Don’t forget what I discovered that over ninety percent of all national deficits from 1921 to 1939 were caused by payments for past, present, and future wars.”
“Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.”
and of course,
“We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace–business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.
They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred.”
last one – http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/od2ndst.html (highly recommend this read)
all others from various sites, google FDR quotes.
my question is, that the generalization of the group is not applicable to the individual, as in this case.
no Fing way that’s going to fly.
I’ve seen his interviews.
the man doesn’t hate anyone.
he doesn’t hate the poor of black people or non-whites.
HE JUST DOESN’T CARE!!! if a business discriminates, he does NOT care. he actually believes a business should have the right to discriminate. he doesn’t use those words, but they all mean the same thing.
he refuses to answer direct questions about it.
he thinks racism is in the past and so no longer an issue. his words.
great if the wars ended. great if the Fed was abolished. but to bring back segregation for those things???
and I’m supposed to take his word that he will do the former???
and his son??? where’s the condemnation? none, because he doesn’t care.
he is no different than today’s “capitalists”. they don’t hate anyone, they just do NOT care.
america falling. don’t care.
people on the streets and starving? children? don’t care.
they’re not even humans anymore. their just robots, programmed only for greed.
yup.
but the man with the gun can rob you of your wallet. and maybe your life.
the man with the fountain pen can rob of you of your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. they can rob you of your home, your life saving, your retirement, and your quality of life.
they can rob you and your family’s livelihood, and future.
and more than likely they will NOT kill you. they will just leave you with less than nothing, in perpetual debt which you will work off for the rest of your life, and a slow, merciless, and agonizing life that will destroy your decency and humanity over decades.
so ya, I’d go with the 7-11 robber any day of the week.
I heard somewhere the French had a good solution to just this sort of arrogant overreaching by the monied tools.
Does Rep. Boustany hold the rail when he walks downstairs?
Does he sleep properly?
Does he scapegoat a son or daughter for ego issues?
Does he overcook / undercook his meat?
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS395US395&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cancer+overcooked+meat
What an insulting, insulting, self-important, judging,
scapegoating, creep.
http://sites.google.com/site/evernewecon
That’s the new thing smear FDR.
And get that dick head kid as a two for one package…no thank you. Besides he’s a tired old man.
To be honest, it is probably very unlikely that a meager public assistance subsidy (minus drug test funds) would be anywhere near in the neighborhood enough to support a destructive drug or alcohol habit.
Food stamps do not even get you a roll of toilet paper. Most very poor people I know are way too poor to be involved in drugs.
Maybe Boustany would support drug testing in order to receive tax-cuts or bailout money.
Been diving dumpsters out of need for a long while now. Have never once seen another poor person diving dumpsters or running scrap that was high or that had a single drop of alcohol on their breath. Never seen it.
Excellent. More like this please…
There is a long tradition behind this, going back to the Poor Laws in England. The theory was that if you make getting relief as painful, disgraceful and threatening as possible then only the truly desperate will finally resort to it. This resulted in the misery and brutality of the workhouses that Dickens wrote about in his novels, trying to bring about a public reaction to the horrible condition of the poor and their children. This is the era our politicians want to return to – wage slavery, child labor, adulterated food, unlimited pollution and raging epidemics of preventable disease.
My response to these drug testing movements (they come up ever year or two in my state) is to suggest that we have breathalyzers at the doors of the state house of delegates and state senate to prevent alcoholics from legislating while drunk. How many full on, drinking, alcoholics do you think we have in our legislatures and courthouses? They want to test for “drugs”, but alcohol is OK.
I believe your quote is from 1936, not 1932. FDR, like it or not, WAS a member of the very wealthy elite. He also said something to the unions like, “OK, now you’ve made your case. Now make me do it.” They did, and they had a lot of strikes the first few years of FDR’s first term.
Yes, FDR definitely sympathized with the working classes, but he was NOT from them. And his views did evolve over three terms plus in office. By his death, I think it fair to call him at least a Social Democrat by European standards, if not a democratic socialist.
So, is my generalization unfair to the FDR of say, 1928? I don’t think so. Feel free to prove me wrong, though. I know far more about President Roosevelt than Governor Roosevelt.
Oh, please. I was NOT smearing FDR. If you read some of my posts, you’ll see that I think he was one of the best Presidents in American history. In fact, he was one of the greatest in world history.
Pointing out that he came from the very upper class and saved them from themselves is not a smear. Saying that he implemented his reforms out of a fear of the country going socialist or communist isn’t a smear, either.
Remember the following exchange from around 1936:
Reporter: Why isn’t America socialist?
Eugene Debs: Three words. Franklin. Delano. Roosevelt.
Debs was the Socialist candidate for President in 1912. He received over a million votes in the election that was won by Woodrow Wilson.
The governor of Florida, Scott, owns drug testing centers, so he makes money off testing. With required testing, his business gets free public money and I expect the costs of tests will go up farther when the state is required to use them.
Coke stays in the system, for testing purposes about 3 days. It is not classified as being a technically addictive drug because it required for that classification . . . although the psychologically addictive side is a different question. . . . and relieving the depressive crash of a binge ain’t pretty either.
I.e., given that many if not most systems, large and small, have a way of forewarning potential ‘testees’ that a test is coming (if it is in their financial interest to avid losing employees), coke is unlikely to nab the ‘culprits’, if you believe they deserve nabbing (and if the poor do, surely so do the rich)
The best one might hope for is a seriously adverse reaction, a la Len Bias (snark), or a financial meltdown with the proceeds going to some deserving family. Neither of which is likely
Yet again more raging hypocrisy from a conservative Republican – from the party that bitches & whines incessantly about shrinking govt to be drowned in a bathtub & so that it can “get out of our lives”… except when for when the USG is there to legislate what you do in your bedroom, how women deal with their “female parts,” and now how teh poorz (eg minorities, esp) can obtain paltry welfare, such as it exists.
Conservatives don’t want to pay for a d*mn thing, except when it’s something that they want or need.
If they perceive that someone else is getting something, then let’s means & drug test & further humiliate & diss & double-down on them bc they are all lazy scum cadillac welfare queens.
The nerve of the super wealthy never ceases to amaze, but others have brought forward historical facts that show that the French were correct: Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. I go along with a prior comment: we need to start considering French history more carefully.
Bastards! Ptoui!!!!
“My response to these drug testing movements (they come up ever year or two in my state) is to suggest that we have breathalyzers at the doors of the state house of delegates and state senate to prevent alcoholics from legislating while drunk. How many full on, drinking, alcoholics do you think we have in our legislatures and courthouses? They want to test for “drugs”, but alcohol is OK.”
Excellent idea. After all, they’re on the public dole, too.
I’m aware of safety issues. My husband works for a railroad(and makes well above minimum wage). Before that he did soldering military spec compnents for Danaher(also above minimum wage). I worked at Walmart and Kroger but another job I held was a paraprofessional position as a phamacy technician(what I did in the military).
As a professional working at a for profit hospital for over a year I had exactly ZERO drug tests.
In my experience most companies do not drug test unless they feel there is a reason to drug test because it costs money to test urine.
My thoughts exactly.
What a despicable low-life scamming scumbag.
Check this out:
http://my.firedoglake.com/cranestation/2011/05/11/the-rapture-research-project/
Just to correct one sentence:
“It 9coke) is not classified as being a technically addictive drug because it does not usually involve tolerance and withdrawal formally required for that classification ”
stewartm: You’re not quite clear on the issue. He was not (hypothetically, since it didn’t actually happen) privileging property rights over human rights: he was saying there were two parts to the Act and although he supported one he could not have supported the Act itself because of the other.
Imagine for a moment that you are a member of Congress about to vote on an Act that (according to your ideology) puts an end to one injustice while creating another, and is also an action that Congress does not truly have the authority to enact. Tough question, isn’t it?
tambershall: Would you like links to the quotes in my previous post where he did “answer direct questions about it”? I’d certainly like a link from you to a quote showing “he thinks racism is in the past and so no longer an issue.” A link to anything suggesting he wants to “bring back segregation” would also be appreciated.
Two wrongs make a right: got it.
I agree with you in theory, but in practice the custodian would present yet another expense reducing the number of dollars actually spent on food, medicine, and shelter.
Really, addicts (as opposed to recreational users) should be a different issue handled by a different agency. As you point out, their problems are medical rather than financial: if someone has a genuine addiction they need help getting clean, not money for more meth.
Hypothetical single mother Jenny Smith lost her job in the recession and can’t sleep nights wondering how she’ll feed her kids when the UI runs out. What do you suppose she thinks about her neighbor, John Doe, who is also collecting UI and spending the money on crack?
Who here would want to try telling her that drug testing recipients is an attack on families struggling to make ends meet?
“I’d go with the 7-11 robber any day of the week”
Yeah: at least you can shoot back at that kind.
Fine by me: I’d like to see legislators be subject to all the rules they lay down for the rest of us. Most of them wouldn’t survive the experience.
For the Senate and the house of Congress. Every two weeks a piss test for drugs. Every morning a breathaliser. Nothing less.
This must happen yesterday.
If Walt the mailman has to piss in a cup then i want the whole of our government blowing into a machine on the way to work. Don’t forget to screen for prescription drugs.
Nicely written. Thanks.
The approach is *wildly* off mark in the case of cannabis. I’ve always found it was a positive influence in holding and performing a job, provided one spends the job hours straight. In measured doses, it’s a mental stimulant that may actually *promote* clear thinking, contrary to right wing and popular myth. It’s moderate use should be encouraged in many cases …
Eugene Debs died in 1926, so that cannot be a Debs quote.
But I do agree with you that FDR pretty much saved us all, and specifically, the rich from themselves.
Interestingly, Debs did run against FDR in 1920. 1920 was also notable because Debs was running for President from inside the US prison which President Woodrow Wilson had thrown him into. FDR was the VP candidate on the Cox (Democrat) ticket. Final 1920 results:
Harding 60%
Cox and FDR 34%
Debs 3.4%
The “now make me do it” narrative is true as far as it goes. But the fact is, FDR parted ways with extremely powerful financial interests during his first six months in office. Thse included major players in the Democrat party machine (Raskob, Al Smith etc…).
How did he part ways with them? He refused to go along with the international Banker Bailout/Public Austerity scheme being cooked up at the big London conference during the summer of 1933. Labor didn’t make him do that. FDR proactively torpedoed the schemes of international finance.
Historian Thomas Ferguson details some of this here:
http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/11/18/the-story-behind-obamas-remarks-on-fdr-27539/
I, too, appreciate this article and its author.
Here’s a trifecta for some more perspective.
My job ended five years ago with my employer declaring me “unfit for duty.” It had nothing to do with abuse of substance. It had everything to do with substantial abuse by my employer. I filed confidentially with the EEOC in January and by May I was not fired (key), I was unfit for duty. My case has moved from Washington to Philadelphia awaiting assignment behind 6300 other appeals. I am rep’ing myself. Because I would not consent to their psychiatrist’s insistence on my COMPLETE medical files and my employer’s “lost” notes @ me, the doors were locked vs me. I was a fit man of 55 at the time. I’m 60 now, out of shape, and waver between despondent and desperate.
With good odds for a seasonal (9 months) position in SC, I went south in 2007 (Nov) and the contractor I’d followed there skipped town on me and the town suddenly changed its by-laws which precluded my being hired. Long story. My home of 30+ years in NJ went down in flames in Apr ’08. Everything pretty much destroyed. We had just begun the foreclosure/bankruptcy waltz (disabled wife, one child still in college) when the fire occurred. Insurance paid for rebuilding but – and who knows who owns the paper on the property now – it’s foreclosed. We were discharged from b’cy last Nov. My family went BOOM also. I flailed around – I did get UI (NOT Tiers I and II) but with a fight for them – and now homestead in my “old” home on the porch. The place is like a tomb, physically and emotionally.
I’m a 99er. My last check was 15 months ago. You’d think with the few carrots Congress has waved at us (me) about an extension for us we’d have better vision. I mean, we see everything quite clearly – there’s nothing like panic 24/7 to make you alert to news about your own demise – but the capitulation of Dec 2010 exorcised 99ers from societal/financial considerations. I have many friends and neighbors who are more like business associates now and for them and what they’ve done, I have enormous gratitude, even if it doesn’t read that way.
If peeing in a cup gets me some help – the guilt is crushing me, I want to pay back what has been given to me – I’ll do it. But here’s what I don’t understand, and someone above alluded to this: why aren’t the masters of the universe subjected to the same exploration into their privacy? Further, why would a 99er go on a drug or drinking binge with their benefits? A lot of folks don’t realize that the first victims of the recession were us “oldies.” What 50 or 60 something y/o 99er is going to run to the nearest bar or find the first dealer and get cranked? That makes no sense. We need what everyone needs: food, shelter, clothing, small essentials.
Hook the Wall St slime up to a syringe EVERY MORNINHG THEY COME TO WORK! After all, they are the biggest subscribers to the notion “if you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve nothing to fear” so will surely accept this.
“What 50 or 60 something y/o 99er is going to run to the nearest bar or find the first dealer and get cranked? That makes no sense. We need what everyone needs: food, shelter, clothing, small essentials.”
This is such an excellent yet poignant comment that it deserves diary time.
We can relate. We are older, husband a 99er, and we are both unemployable. We do not receive any assistance. I have been peeing in cups randomly for five straight years now and we still dive dumpsters just to get by.
I wish you would write this as a diary.
So, uh, how much will this mandatory testing cost, exactly?
Derp.
My response to these drug testing movements (they come up ever year or two in my state) is to suggest that we have breathalyzers at the doors of the state house of delegates and state senate to prevent alcoholics from legislating while drunk. How many full on, drinking, alcoholics do you think we have in our legislatures and courthouses? They want to test for “drugs”, but alcohol is OK.
Hey, don’t you know that alcohol really isn’t a drug? Well, that’s what Congress says; they have put it beyond the jurisdiction of the drug czar. By law he can’t mutter a word against booze.
(Of course, said law was written at the behest of the alcohol industry. Surprised?)
stewartm
stewartm: You’re not quite clear on the issue. He was not (hypothetically, since it didn’t actually happen) privileging property rights over human rights: he was saying there were two parts to the Act and although he supported one he could not have supported the Act itself because of the other.
There are not two parts of the Act, but 11. Read them here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
The presumed problem that Paul has with the Act is with Title II. And that is privileging property rights over human rights. Does it not?
As a Southerner and the son of someone who opened up his business to African-American customers, I can say that I’m glad that this particular bit was passed. You (and Paul, and Goldwater and Reagan before him) obviously don’t understand the dynamics of life back in the Jim Crow South. Businesses who were bold enough to stick their necks out and break the color line were either boycotted by racist whites, they lost contracts to other white-owned businesses, they lost contracts, were vandalized, or even burned to the ground. Passing this act meant that everyone was forced to open their doors, and the haters couldn’t burn them ALL down.
Besides, there is no, absolutely none, zilch, nada, evidence that the “free market” ever anywhere ended discrimination. That’s a fantasy of libertarians, but it’s not reality. The 1964 Civil Rights Act, by contrast, resulted in great progress in very short order. If our #1 goal is to end this appalling wrong in America, why argue with what empirically works in favor of a “solution” that has never worked anywhere?
-stewartm
Totally agree.
I agree with you in theory, but in practice the custodian would present yet another expense reducing the number of dollars actually spent on food, medicine, and shelter.
What expense? This was for SS, and trust me, I didn’t get paid for handling that money. (Typically, relatives or trusted associates are named). I had to write the checks and keep the records on my end for that money. There might have been an be an ever-so-slight administrative expense to the program, but insofar as I can see, it would be minuscule.
Really, addicts (as opposed to recreational users) should be a different issue handled by a different agency. As you point out, their problems are medical rather than financial: if someone has a genuine addiction they need help getting clean, not money for more meth.
True ’nuff, but here I actually might be more strict than you. I wouldn’t draw that line in regards to aid between the “recreational user” and “the addict”. One, because many “recreational users” are on their way to becoming addicts; and two, if one is receiving aid (using your argument) the aid typically is so paltry that it won’t cover even the necessities, let alone “luxuries” like drugs. (Which is why many recipients actually *work* on the side, doing side jobs, or in illegal activities like prostitution or drugs, because the aid is laughably small). So if they tested positive, then they lose the rights to handle the money themselves. I also would include alcohol in the drugs tested, cigarettes might be more of a problem (because they’re so universally addictive many do need help getting off of them).
If someone truly is a “recreational user” with their wits intact, then sacrificing what they *like* for what they *need* isn’t a big deal, no? OTH, if they insist on spending money on substances when they objectively *need* to spend it on something else, isn’t that the sign of a problem?
-stewartm
So, uh, how much will this mandatory testing cost, exactly?
Depends. You can pick up kits yourself in most drugstores. Of course, you can do something like GC-MS, which would be more expensive.
-stewartm
What 50 or 60 something y/o 99er is going to run to the nearest bar or find the first dealer and get cranked? That makes no sense. We need what everyone needs: food, shelter, clothing, small essentials.
What you need is a job, not public assistance. What the country needs is a permanent WPA, a commitment to a full-employment economy, one where even in a downturn it means that one goes from working for a private employer to working for the government, in a assignment utilizing whatever skills one has for lower-than-market value pay, so that the downturn becomes a matter of mere inconvenient belt-tightening rather than one of absolute crises for individuals and families hit.
When the economy upturns, then you would then have a choice between returning to the private sector, or, if you performed well in the public sector, then you could be sapped up by a public sector job for market-value wages.
-stewartm
In my experience most companies do not drug test unless they feel there is a reason to drug test because it costs money to test urine.
Well, it may be a regional difference between where we live, because unless you want to flip burgers or repair roofs, pretty much all jobs where I live > $10/hr drug test. Not trying to dispute what you say, or to be argumentative, but it seems to be so here. I know of people who are “recreational users” who either scramble to cheat the tests or who don’t even apply because of said requirement.
-stewartm
stewartm: You’re either not getting or refusing to acknowledge the point.
From the Libertarian point of view the Feds had no authority to pass Title II. You ducked the question earlier, let’s try again: if you were a member of Congress would you vote in favor of something (something good: no argument there) that you felt Congress had no legal authority to decide?
“There might have been an be an ever-so-slight administrative expense to the program, but insofar as I can see, it would be minuscule.”
If it takes one clerk to monitor 1,000 members of the program how many clerks do you need nationwide? Call that “A”.
What is the expense per clerk compared to the expense per aid recipient (I’m guessing the clerk’s salary, etc, would be 3 or 4 times as much as the benefits paid)? Call that “B”.
So this plan reduces the number of people the program can afford to provide aid to by A times B, a number which is probably in the tens of thousands.
It’s not that I don’t like the idea: it’s just a question of how to best allocate scare resources.
Thanks, C-S. For every one of you, unfortunately, there are two or three “stewartm’s” waiting in the shrubs to assassinate one’s character or drone into a Patton shriek.
So, “stewartm,” here are some things that could help you understand better and upgrade your ticket from balloon-atik to American or maybe even United.
1) Suggesting or advising people in my situation accomplishes nothing. Save it for an op-ed piece. Like we DON’T KNOW what needs to be done, could be done, why it won’t get done, and all else. We have WAY TOO much time to rue our existence vs our previous lives (a couple of years ago). Write what you will, it makes you feel better. But, you are not here but you might be. Maybe you’re sick of hearing that response. Well, it couldn’t happen to me but it all did. What were the odds?
2) I was working for the gov’t. When they want you gone, you’re gone. Fight it through the union, fight it on your own (EEOC), doesn’t matter. It’s TEN YEARS, stewart, before final adjudication. TEN. So, if I live to 65, I will be breathing the day my case against my employer has a final determination. That fact of life is rarely made clear to people: ten years. The backlog in America of cases employee vs employer (yes, yes, I know…everybody’s a whiner) is that long. The courts are completely overwhelmed and the benches remain unfilled.
3) It took 13 months before I actually had, in my hand, a written statement from the gov’t that I no longer was their employee. No UI there. It’s been 15 months since Tier V was exhausted. That’s 28 MONTHS by my math. Over 800 days. Do you suppose in that amt of days, you would have one day where you don’t sweat housing, food, insurance, children, clothing, utilities, car(s), commuting, vacationing, time to relax? In my (our) world, there are no days off. You work your whole life (44 yrs for me) to supposedly get to retire and have the time to relax and enjoy life after busting your balls for so long. That’s the dream, right? Pay the conductor and you get to ride? Unless that’s changed – well, actually it has – most people WANT to make it to the end to see how it turns out. I’m sick of Groundhog Day. And don’t, for one frigging second, tell me that I haven’t done enough to find work, big or small, menial or somewhat meaningful. Most assume that all 99ers want a six-figure salary and perks to fall in our laps just for being good sports. Bullspit.
4) You can write forever about how you feel and think about the situation many MILLIONS of not-so-long-ago middle class Americans (like you) paid for shelter, clothing, education, insurance, gas, one pizza night per month, a movie per year, a “vacation” at a relative’s house, sustenance, and the like.
I don’t beg on-line, I’ve never begged posters to help us or whined about the damage. You’d think I did. Snipers just wait for one of us drug addicts, welfare queens, and alcoholics to show up so they can open fire. We’re bums, we’re losers, and we’re disposable. Eff off, they write. They treat their aging parents similarly, I’m convinced of that. We post to feel an inclusion again. Maybe someone actually wants to hear the story. Maybe someone will respond humanely. It’s dialogue. I’ve lived here over 30 years and there are now people who don’t even recognize me. Some do and walk away, assuming I’ll ask if they can help or they feel guilty about being able to help, they just won’t. To me, now, yesses and nos are pretty much the same. I accept both. Keep walking: an inch is a cinch, a yard is hard.
One of the main factors in prohibiting mind altering (in some case even prescribed) drugs from the workplace is the safety issue. I could be argued that coke stoked Wall Street types could provide a competitive edge. The derivatives trading world at it’s height must have resembled a shooting gallery — combined with the addictive properties of high risk and money . . .
I wonder what, if any, ‘drugs in the workplace’ policies Wall Street firms have in place.
Thanks, C-S. For every one of you, unfortunately, there are two or three “stewartm’s” waiting in the shrubs to assassinate one’s character or drone into a Patton shriek.
How on earth did you infer that from saying that we should have a permanent WPA and a national commitment to a full-employment economy as some sort of character assassination? That part doesn’t get me. It was not intended to be a character attack at all, nor do I see how it reads as one. What I said was that your facing a situation as you face should become a thing of a the past, and would if we had such a commitment, which we don’t.
And, if I had not manage to survive my company’s layoff in 2009, I could be in your shoes. I know that. Many people who were laid off back then are still unemployed, or underemployed.
stewartm
It’s not that I don’t like the idea: it’s just a question of how to best allocate scare resources.
It’s still an efficient use of said resources, and better than just leaving people out in the cold.
-stewartm
From the Libertarian point of view the Feds had no authority to pass Title II.
Libertarians are loathe to admit a constitutional rationale for a great many things which most don’t have a problem with in their zeal to set property rights above all else. With Title II, it was justified using the interstate commerce clause, and one might in fact be limited to businesses which only practice interstate commerce (which in fact remains a lot).
You ducked the question earlier, let’s try again: if you were a member of Congress would you vote in favor of something (something good: no argument there) that you felt Congress had no legal authority to decide?
I ‘ducked’ it, as you say, because I don’t see it applying here. And I saw those positive results in my own lifetime, positive results that apparently aren’t justified to the Pauls because it ever-so-slightly interferes with their businessman-as-king model of society.
-stewartm
Shrug. Now you’re arguing over whether Libertarianism is right or wrong, which is a separate question.
Given that Paul (correctly or not) considered that Title II was overstepping Congressional authority you’re upset with the guy for saying he wouldn’t have broken the law in a good cause.
And from that a lot of people (not you) are screaming that he’s a racist who thinks Jim Crow laws were just dandy wants to bring back segregation.
And from that a lot of people (not you) are screaming that he’s a racist who thinks Jim Crow laws were just dandy wants to bring back segregation.
I genuinely don’t think so, but it’s a case as I said from the start–that human rights matter less to Paul than do property rights and the rights of businessmen. In that, he’s pretty much a standard-fare white bread libertarian.
And isn’t that just it? Most of the time the great issues of the day are of someone’s right vs someone else’s right, and which has precedent. As I also said, there is no evidence that the ‘free market’ ever solves these kinds of problems. Southern businessmen and the Southern elites enjoyed disproportionate influence in Southern state governments. If these had truly wanted Jim Crow repealed, if the libertarian arguments were true and the economics of the ‘free market’ (i.e., the money of African-Americans customers was just as green as that of whites) would drive matters, one would have expected Southern businessmen to be at the forefront of clamoring for repeal. They would clamor for repeal in order to get those potential African-American customers into their businesses. That never happened.
And since there was no evidence that the ‘free market’ was ever going to eliminate Jim Crow, then the question becomes: are the rights of businessmen not to serve whomever they please worth seeing Jim Crow remain in place *FOREVER*?? To me, and to most I think, the answer is “no, these rights are less important than the essential human rights of African-Americans (and people of other groups who faced exclusion in the US). Ergo, a businessman’s right to exclude whomever he/she wished in a “public accommodation” could be sacrificed to see this more important right be realized.
You said I was dodging the issue by not answering your question. Let me now say that I think Paul is trying to dodge the issue by not presenting a credible case of how desegregation and discrimination in the Jim Crow South was going to be ended in the absence of the 1964 Civil Rights law. His “free market” wasn’t accomplishing it nor was it showing any signs of ever accomplishing it. Nor does it today–my company, in a state where gay rights are not protected, has continually voted down attempts to grant workplace rights to gays. They do so even though all the economic arguments of 1964 apply just as much to gay employees and gay customers as they did to African-Americans. Their services are just as valuable and their money is just as green as anyone else’s.
Lastly, while I do not believe Paul a racist (ideologue maybe, but not a racist) you have to admit that many racists of the time *did* latch onto his arguments to keep Jim Crow alive. That may not be his fault, but it is nonetheless true.
-stewartm
In a recent internet article about poverty one lady said “We already live in HUD housing, we’re already on Medicaid, we already have food stamps — and we still struggle.”
What about the taxpayers who are paying for all the giveaway programs you are getting? Do you think we are not struggling?
When my family wants something that I worked for and EARNED, do you think they are happy when I tell them “you can’t have that because I am paying the bills for somebody in HUD housing, getting food stamps and on Medicaid?”
When are people going to start carrying your own weight in society and get off my back? I am not rich, just sick and tired of paying your bills.
If you genuinely don’t think he’s being accused of believing Jim Crow laws weren’t wrong then you’ve forgotten what lead me to post on this in the first place. ;^)
“Most of the time the great issues of the day are of someone’s right vs someone else’s right, and which has precedent.”
We seem to be having two completely separate discussions, so I’m going to take one last shot and then just drop it. It may or may not be true that human rights matter less to Paul than do property rights, but that’s not why he said he would have opposed the Act. His stated reason was that Congress did not have the legal authority: he was not prioritizing property rights, he was prioritizing adhering to the Constitution.
That is why I have repeatedly asked if you were a member of Congress would you vote in favor of something (something good: no argument there) that you felt Congress had no legal authority to decide?
If a prosecutor declines to bring charges against a criminal because he has no jurisdiction does that mean the prosecutor is in favor of crime? There are people who oppose Arizona’s 1070 on jurisdictional grounds: can we assume they support illegal immigration?
That is why I have repeatedly asked if you were a member of Congress would you vote in favor of something (something good: no argument there) that you felt Congress had no legal authority to decide?
OK, what you’re really telling me is that Ron Paul is saying “Whoa, wait, my reading of the Constitution says it doesn’t grant Congress the authority to enact and enforce Title II of this bill–so we’d better first get to work passing a Constitutional Amendment to grant them that expressed power so we can take care of this problem?” I don’t think so.
Paul’s position is more like: “I believe Congress doesn’t have the power to fix it, nor do I ever want them to have the power to fix it, because the ‘free market’ eventually will fix it”. That more correctly sums up the man’s position.
-stewartm
What about the taxpayers who are paying for all the giveaway programs you are getting? Do you think we are not struggling?
Oh please. Your taxes have gone down. Stop whining.
When are people going to start carrying your own weight in society and get off my back? I am not rich, just sick and tired of paying your bills.
And I’m sure you’re going to decline SS and Medicare when it comes time to collect them because you don’t want to have someone else “paying your bills”. Here’s a hint–everyone, at some time in their lives–and usually more than once–is dependent on someone else. Stop pretending to be the rugged individualist you really aren’t.
Most of these people “carried their own weight” and would indeed happily “carry their own weight” again if the US had a commitment to a full-employment economy. Create a permanent WPA and we could have a unemployment rate of 1 % again (with only 2 % inflation, mind you), like we did the last time we ran that experiment.
-stewartm