Written by Amanda Marcotte for RHRealityCheck.org – News, commentary and community for reproductive health and justice.
If you were looking for a poll to capture exactly how much of America is judgmental and mean-spirited—especially towards women—you couldn’t top the recent Rasmussen poll that found that 48 percent of Americans think abortion is “too easy” to get. I’m not entirely sure why Rasmussen took the poll. Lack of generosity towards others and a dark eye specifically towards those you resenting people perceived as young, sensual, and not weighted down by the responsibilities of adulthood, which is how the public (incorrectly) imagines your average abortion patient to be. (In reality, the majority are mothers trying to make ends meet.)
You may as well have polled people asking, “Do believe kids these days listen to their music too loud?” or “Do you believe that you’re a sexually responsible person but there are some real sluts out there?” Even though the reality is that women from all walks of life get abortions, the perception in the general public is that abortion is an indicator of sluttiness. And sluts, last I checked, aren’t well regarded in our culture. When people imagine the obstacles between a woman and an abortion, they’re making an idealized judgment—some kind of major hassle that will teach the slut to keep her legs shut next time. But mean-spiritedness, stereotypes, and generalized ideas about what counts as “promiscuous” aren’t something on which to base public policy.
I don’t know whether to be sadder that the public still has these stereotypes about who gets abortions, or that the public still thinks sexually free women are evil and deserve to be punished.
The anti-choice media was triumphant over this poll, mostly because it showed that women are more likely to want more obstacles for women seeking abortions. According to anti-choicers, this somehow means this isn’t a women’s rights issue, even though the people who hold the right to abortion are women, aka the sex that gets pregnant by accident. But there’s no reason to think reproductive freedom isn’t an important women’s issue just because women are more likely to judge other women about their sexual choices. In a patriarchy, women are usually tasked with the job of monitoring female sexuality and enforcing norms of modesty.
In cultures that practice female genital mutilation, for instance, it’s often the women who do all the work of setting up the cutting, guiding the girl through it, and often doing the cutting themselves. That hardly means female genital mutilation is automatically feminist. It just requires that we have a more nuanced view of how oppression works. Enforcing modesty norms on women is dreary scut work, because by definition it’s anti-fun and anti-pleasure. In a patriarchy, women take on the scut work. We do housework so men’s time is freed up to do more "soul-affirming" work. We’re more likely to do assistant work so men can do the work that gets them all the credit. And when it comes to sex, women are tasked with the job of pushing prudery. Men have the privilege of not having to worry about these sorts of things to nearly the same degree.
It’s not just on abortion. In all sorts of avenues, women do the hard work of punishing and controlling female sexuality. David J. Ley is far too blasé in his assumption that women monitor other women just because, and that men have nothing to do with this. Most women who take punishing female sexuality very seriously believe this is ultimately about men, which is to say they view it as their responsibility to create a chaste population of women for men to marry. If women weren’t so dependent on men for status, we would be as free with each other as men are about our sexual choices.
Women are also roped into judging each other’s sexual behavior because we’re led to believe it’s our only realistic source of control. Being lower status than men, and especially when you’re dependent on a man, means you often have a lot of desire to keep male promiscuity to a minimum, but men are expected not to listen to women or care much what women think about these issues. Thus, women start putting demands on each other, because we can’t appeal to men. Which is why you see a culture where the “other woman” is blamed more than the cheating man for infidelity. Or you see women like Susan Walsh arguing that other women have a responsibility not to have sex when we want with who we want, because that means that fewer men will have to pony up wedding rings in order to get laid.
Of course, if women don’t have to rely on men for social status and economic survival, then the power balance shifts, and women can start making demands directly of men. It’s a lot easier, for instance, to demand monogamy directly from your husband if you can leave him without being destitute. Creating a world where women have equality and men have to share responsibilities for sex and family life is the goal of feminism, and more sexual liberation is the result. Indeed, I would say that the reason that only half of women polled take should an old-fashioned view on abortion (which is a symbolic stand-in for female immodesty) shows how far we’ve come already.
The numbers of women who feel that their only form of control over their lives is to exert control over other women is declining. Now that we have ways of attaining economic independence and social status that don’t involve getting and staying married, we have less of a need to create a protectionist racket over female sexuality where women who break the rules are treated like scabs breaking a strike. Now that we have powers outside of the power to say no to sex and to force other women to say no to sex, there’s simply less need to deprive ourselves or judge others. And the less that men have complete dominance over our lives, the less reason we have to try like mad to control the one thing we’ve been given to control, which is female sexuality.



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I’m not sure why they would tout this figure, as it’s virtually meaningless. According to the link, “43% say they are pro-life.” And someone considering her/himself pro-life is almost bound to say that so long as abortion is legal, it’s “too easy to get.” That means that the remaining 5% of the 48% who said abortion is too easy to get comes out of the remaining 57% of respondents who answered that they are something other than pro-life. In other words, less than 10% (5/57) of those who aren’t pro-life (which includes undecideds) think an abortion is too easy to get. That doesn’t sound too bad, does it?
You have set up the opposition to abortion as a strawman (or straw-woman, I suppose) The heart of the other side is not sexuality, it is opposition to killing the fetus. While that position may not represent our crew here, it is a completely legitimate position to take, and we will never convince the other side if we do not truly understand why they are opposed.
On the larger scale, I cannot see the abortion issue ever solved by legislation. No matter what the law states, there will be half of the population in favor, and half against. Whichever side wins the legal debate antagonizes the other side and makes all other issues more difficult to complete.
What, it seems to me, is the more attractive approach is to argue in favor of your side and convince through logical, moral or other authority the rightness of your cause.
The photograph is from Miami. Was that the anti-Alito demonstration?
If opposition to killing fetuses was at the heart of the anti-choice movement, then its leaders would welcome birth control pills and condoms as ways to prevent abortions. But they don’t, because while the women grunt workers are the enforcers or the Kapos of the Anti-Sex Slut-Shaming League, the people ultimately telling these women what to do are men, and many of them are allegedly celibate.
I don’t want to get into an arguement with you, and I appreciate your fervor, but that simply is not true. That is too subtle a connection.
There are two opposing rights here – the right of the woman to control her own body and the right of the fetus to live. Different people make one right more important than the other.
Our problem is that we are ascribing some other motive to the other side and that arguement will never persuade anyone other than the echo chamber.
Don’t think so. Those 50/50 polls are moving targets on shifting sands. This is all about controlling women’s dominion over their own bodies and it’s constitutionally based. The laws could certainly make it a lot clearer and fairer for women, and over time, that change will occur, and with even wider support. Fifty centuries of patriarchy doesn’t disappear overnight, and it makes no sense to assume a) that there’s actually anything like equivalent support for an anti choice position and 2) that choice won’t be even more widely supported than it is now. I don’t care about the views of the antichoice people. Screw ‘em. It’s not their bodies.
Agree. And if opposition to killing the fetus were the basis of antiabortion thought, why would abortion for rape or incest be thought an acceptable exception to ‘murder.’
Why is it okay to kill the fetus of a rapist, but not okay to kill the fetus of a player?
On what basis do you believe that the footsoldiers of the forced birth movement can be swayed by rational argument? Do you have some evidence?
I will argue with no one. Both ProChoice and AntiChoice factions are intrusive. There is no argument to have.
My sexuality is not subject to review. My sexual life is private. My ova, my feti, and my children are mine. They are certianly not anyone else’s. They are not the States.
Anyone who feels that ‘something must be done’ about any part or function of my body, without a direct request from me or my consent, is rapist, no matter what ‘benevolent’ reason they may give for raping me.
Rapist don’t use their meat necessarily. Sometimes they use bottles, or knives, or laws and regulations. I do not want the protection, notice or approval of perverts who think any part of my sexual life is their concern.
All of that is true except that your children are not yours. There is a state interest in the health and well-being of your kids. You cannot kill them, you cannot sell them. If you do something that imperils their health, you are subject to the laws of the state.
… they’re the State’s?
Are you threatening me? Are you planning to take my children? Are you accusing me of being a criminal? What is the point to your remark? To reaffirm that the state really does own me and mine? What kind of creep are you? Ick.
The FetusSniffers cannot be swayed by rational argument. We have beaten that horse to death. They are not rational. They suffer from a paraphilia/perversion akin to voyeurism and sadomasochism.
Okay, if you don’t like that evidence of duplicity (which I also agree with), then how about the fact that once said fetus is born, the caring support evaporates? There is a high correlation of opinion and voting record of people and politicians who oppose abortion also opposing “nurturing” legislation like WIC and foodstamps and housing and medical aid for the poor, including poor children of whom there are a disproportionate representation.
Like any one of hundreds of other examples, people hold conflicting views.
A meaningless remark. Abortion is legal. The ‘views’ of others concerning my sexual life are de trop.
Cherry – chill.
Of course I do not want to take your kids, nor do I want the government to take them.
All I am saying is that society has an interest in protecting its citizens. We do not believe in honor killings, for example. even if it is done by the parent.
Some people put abortion in the same category as honor killings – we do not but they do.
To cast abortion as a punishment women misses the entire point of the opposition. How can we beat them if we do not undertsand why they believe as they do?
[Mod Note: Try not to be quite so condescending/insulting in your disagreement]
If any of these so called anti-abortionist really cared about abortion and wanted it to stop they would put their money where their mouth is as opposed to running around passing judgment on people.
I was refused from a hospital when I was experiencing a second trimester miscarriage. This was in a small CA hospital. They said I was there for drugs and simply wouldn’t see me. I was crying and begging them to omit me and these horrible people sent me home because I couldn’t prove I had health care insurance. What was worse, they lied to me and said if I was really bleeding it was normal. I was young and left. I didn’t have much choice. I ended up returning where they still refused to see me. Finally I grabbed a phone to call 911 to take me to another hospital. This scared them. They knew because I had used one of their phones and the call was noticed by the switch board which did not put me through.
This scared them I guess, because they started running around taking care of me at this point. This was a small hospital and there was mostly just me. I don’t remember much about people around.
I lost the baby. It took me approximately 5 hours to get help. If anti abortionist really cared about this they would pass laws making having a baby cheap and affordable. They would make the health care system accessible to young people and so forth. What they really care about is telling people how to live and playing superior.
“Both ProChoice and AntiChoice factions are intrusive. ”
That’s preposterous.
“The heart of the other side is not sexuality, it is opposition to killing the fetus. ”
Absolutely. They care more about souls than people.
But if they don’t want abortions, why do they oppose birth control? Because their holy book says you should only have intercourse to create a child. It’s all right there in black and white.
There is no opposition that is appropriate or sane. My sexual life is private. That people feel free to discuss my sexual life as though I were not present is infuriating. It is rape. That it is cast as appropriate and benevolent interest is so crazy it makes my head spin. This is a sick society.
Note to moderator: You misinterpret me. I am not being condescending. I find it infuriating that rape is considered sane and appropriate. I am quite in earnest. That my position is unusual does not mean it is unacceptable. That my anger is leaking through is not surprising to me. I have used no inappropriate language.
I have been through this before. I have been told I am crazy, somehow inappropritate, in need of rape counseling. It gets old.
Everybody stopped saying it to me when Oklahoma decided to require any woman wanting an abortion for any reason to undergo a WAND ultrasound by law to satisfy the sexual discomfort of the AntiChoice.
I will go away now, if you like. Wouldn’t be the first place I got thrown out of.
I am sorry for that event. I absolutely agree that those in power should behave in a much different way. My wife had a miscarraige as well and for the both of us it was a traumatic event, not easily overcome by time or sympathy.
I do not want any of the comments that I have made here suggest that I condone such treatment.
My heart goes out to you.
Uh, I don’t think the moderator was sending that note to you.
Since it appeared on a greybeard comment, it was probably directed toward him.
I think you are right, and I don’t exactly know what part of that comment was either condescending or insulting. Was it “chill”?
[Mod Note: Yes]
I’m sorry you had to go through that, Textynn. It’s a disgrace that our nation’s health care system forces mothers into a situation like that.
I lost the baby. It took me approximately 5 hours to get help. If anti abortionist really cared about this they would pass laws making having a baby cheap and affordable. They would make the health care system accessible to young people and so forth. What they really care about is telling people how to live and playing superior.
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I am so sorry for what happened to you. Yes, what they care about is feeling superior. And exhibiting snuff porn. And setting fires. And assassination.
Every time something like SChip comes up for a vote, the same folk who talk antiabortion vote against it.
Thank you. I do not know the mores here. I appreciate the ‘head’s up.’
Mean-spirited is right, and not just towards women. If women getting abortions were as these jackasses imagine–careless, irresponsible, looney, dumb, lacking in judgement, etc.–they’d be the last persons you’d want to be anywhere near a child . . .
. . . or they would be, if you actually valued children. If you viewed children as a punishment for having sex–as these people rather clearly do–the fore-referenced position makes perfect sense.
Which sort of explains why children of anti-liberty (1) parents tend to look and act as if their folks viewed the kids’ entire existence as some particularly burdensome penalty.
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(1) I’m experimenting with this as an alternative to “anti-choice.” These monumentally screwed-up excuses for human beings sure as hell aren’t “pro-life.”
“Liberty” has such a ring to it. You had me. Depends on who you want to communicate with. Authoritarians do not want their children to have liberty.
What bothers me about the ProChoice political establishment is the very motto “legal, safe and rare.” I support legal and safe. It is the “rare” that gets my hackles up.
Our own political establishment is toadying up to the Antis by implying with the word “rare” that there IS something wrong with abortion. And that something about legal abortion and the way women use it needs to be fixed. (Not a pun.)
It is as though women, individually and as a class, exist to be acted upon. Somebody needs to save us and protect us from too many abortions. The Antis and the Pros both endorse this idea. And this idea is a form of rape. No one will make decisions about my sexual life. It is private and not subject to review by anyone.
ProChoice folks: Shut up. Stop agreeing with the Antis and work on cheap reliable contraception and cheap RU-486 that is easily available. And sex education. That is your only legitimate function and it is important.
I am proabortion for any woman who wants an abortion. I see nothing wrong with a woman who uses condoms and abortion as her major birth control. It might be a wise decision not to subject your body to hormone manipulation by pill etc. Because lots of women are willing to trust Big Pharma is no recommendation.
Abortion is birth control. It controls birth. It is far superior to the other way humans have historically controlled unwanted reproduction: infanticide.
Women don’t have to whisper about abortion in the kitchen anymore. And we don’t exist to have you count how many abortions we have had, moan and groan we are having too many of them, and have you “do something” about our sexual decisions. Anti or Pro, it is not your business. I do not have to share.
I am 67. I was a young and fertile woman before The Pill and safe and legal medical abortion. It was a horror show for women. I have been a longtime reproductive justice advocate. We have tried reason. And tried and tried and tried. And what has been the Antis response: abuse, arson and assassination. Reasonable is over. “It is none of your fricking business and get away from me, you stinking perverts” is the order of the day.