One of the many destructive legacies of the Reagan Era was the effective Washington consensus that wars and other military spending exist on their own fiscal planet. Reagan got a Dixiecrat Congress to double military spending at a time when the U.S. was not at war (unless you were a poor person in Central America.) Meanwhile, Reagan got the Dixiecrat Congress to cut domestic spending – we just couldn’t afford those costly social programs. Reagan pretended the two things were totally unrelated, and the Dixiecrat Congress went along.
Ever since, the Democratic leadership and the big Democratic constituency groups have largely collaborated in maintaining the destructive fiction that we can shovel tax dollars to war and to corporate welfare called "defense spending" without having any impact on our ability to provide quality education, health care, effective enforcement of environmental, civil rights, and worker safety laws, and other basic services to our citizens that are taken for granted by the citizens of every other industrialized country.
But maybe – maybe – that destructive connivance is coming to an end.
This week, House Appropriations Committee Chair David Obey told the White House that he was going to sit on the Administration’s request for $33 billion more for pointless killing in Afghanistan until the White House acted on House Democratic demands to unlock federal money to aid the states in averting a wave of layoffs of teachers and other public employees.
Obey didn’t just link the two issues rhetorically; he linked them with the threat of effective action.
At last, at long last.
But why is David Obey standing alone?
Perhaps, behind the scenes, the big Democratic constituency groups are pulling for Obey.
But you wouldn’t know it from any public manifestation. Why? This should be a "teachable moment," an opportunity to mobilize the majority of America’s working families to push to redirect resources from futile wars of empire and the corporate welfare of the "base military budget" to human needs at home and abroad. Where is the public mobilization of the Democratic constituency groups?
If we could shorten the Afghanistan war by a month, that would free up the $10 billion that Obey is asking for domestic spending. Rep. Jim McGovern’s bill requiring a timetable for military redeployment from Afghanistan currently has 94 co-sponsors in the House (act here.) If McGovern’s bill became law, it would surely save the taxpayers at least $10 billion. Why aren’t the big Democratic constituency groups aggressively backing the McGovern bill, demanding that it be attached to the war supplemental?
This isn’t just a question of missing an opportunity. There is a freight train coming called "deficit reduction." If the big Democratic constituency groups continue to sit on their hands on the issue of military spending, then we can predict what the cargo of that freight train is likely to be: cut Social Security benefits, cut Medicare benefits, raise the retirement age for Social Security and Medicare, cut domestic spending for enforcing environmental regulations and civil rights and worker safety.
Ending the war in Afghanistan with a timetable for withdrawal would likely save hundreds of billions of dollars. That’s money that could be used to prevent cuts from jobs and services at home.
And we can cut the "base military budget" – the money we are purportedly spending to prepare for wars in the future, whether those wars have any measurable probability of occurring or not – without having any impact on our security.
The Sustainable Defense Task Force – initiated by Rep. Barney Frank, Rep. Walter Jones, Rep. Ron Paul, and Sen. Ron Wyden – has modestly proposed a trillion dollars in cuts to the military budget over ten years, targeting long-derided weapons systems like F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle, and the V-22 Osprey. As Joshua Green notes in the Boston Globe, even Dick Cheney says the V-22 is "a turkey." As the current annual military expenditure of the U.S. is roughly $660 billion, this would roughly amount to a 15% cut. Note that the U.S. is currently spending about 4.3% of its GDP on the military, more than twice what China spends as a percentage of its economy (2%.) If we cut our military spending 15%, we’d still be spending far more as a percentage of our economy (3.7%) than China, and far more than Britain (2.5%) and France (2.3%). And in absolute terms, we’d still be spending more than the next ten countries combined – most of whom are our allies. Such a cut would free $100 billion a year for deficit reduction and protecting domestic spending from cuts.
The president’s Deficit Reduction Commission will recommend a package of cuts to Congress in December for an up-or-down vote. Will the Deficit Reduction Commission recommend real cuts to military spending?
On June 26, the deficit reduction freight train may be coming to your town. The well-financed America Speaks is hosting a "national town hall" discussion in twenty cities on June 26 about ways to cut the deficit, promising that they will push the result into the Washington deficit-cutting decision. Check to see if the freight train is coming to your town. If it is, why not go and see if you can stow away some military spending cuts – like ending the war and cutting the V-22 – on board the train?



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The Dems found a guy with a Spine Great News!
This should be a “teachable moment,” an opportunity to mobilize the majority of America’s working families to push to redirect resources from futile wars of empire and the corporate welfare of the “base military budget” to human needs at home and abroad. Where is the public mobilization of the Democratic constituency groups?
My bold Why because if the Democratic Constituency Groups mobilize on this and lose Rahm will cut them off? Why because if the WH fights this and loses Obama losses all Face?
But hey I support this 100%! If Obama had any political instincts he would change position and adopt this bill!
David Obey is retiring at the end of this Congress.
Yeah, given the US policy in Afghanistan, there’s just no amount of funding that will produce a positive result. It’s all a waste of money and lives.
As for the deficit reduction freight train, it needs to be derailed. Austerity measures will be an utter disaster.
And speaking of derailing that deficit spending freight train, observe what they have on their registration pages for the various cities:
It’s a Pete Peterson event and going to be totally staged. I intend to disrupt the Denver event.
Interesting that FDL hosted Sebastian Junger today to talk about his new book “War.” A persuasive apologist for Obama’s Afghanistan War. When authors romanticize the warrior culture of the U.S. is it surprising that the U.S. finds itself in war without end? I suppose everyone’s just trying to make a living.
Having a great Saturday evening, Bluetoe2? There’s always a dog to kick, isn’t there? Interesting, indeed.
Go, Kelly !
You conveniently gloss over the pushback the author and host received.
More interesting will be what you yourself will actually do when that America Speaks Townhall rides into a community near you next Saturday.
Hopefully, you will be busy making a “guns ‘n butter” case at one of those “townhalls” rather than carping about FDL here.
fixed it for ya!
Dixiecrats, Blue-Dogs, these are evasive modifiers. You are talking about mainline, establishment Democratic Party policies that go back decades. Fittingly, it will likely be under a Democratic administration that the last, legacy programs of the New Deal, like Social Security, finally go under the knife.
Maybe, when the inevitable pushback from the GOP comes, Obey could just quote one of their own (Eisenhower) back at them:
I suppose they’d figure it was just some Marxist rhetoric.
But why is David Obey standing alone? –
Because the rest of Congress are a pack of gutless weasels. The Democrats don’t want be accused of being soft on national defense and the Republicans want to keep their corporate donors happy and those contractor dollars flowing into their home states. If they can hammer the Democrats on the issue at the same time, that’s icing on the cake for them.
I didn’t “gloss over” the the push back. Well aware of the push back but didn’t feel it was necessary to comment on what one would expect to be the obvious from FDL posters. No need to be defensive.
Like I said it will be MORE interesting what you are involved in next Saturday – since there’s an opportunity for activism.
Athenae is up at TBogg, upstairs!
Advice for the Lovelorn
You may be well aware of a lot of things, but your comments come off as mean spirited sometimes, and therefor, some may misread what you are trying to say. Bluetoe I know from long ago previous sharings, that you have reasons to be sad and cynical, but please know that many of us do too. I’m just trying to tell you why sometimes people may take exception to your comments.
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm
The Senate was neither Dixiecrat nor Democrat from 1981-1987, the 97th through 99th Congresses: it was Republican. Republicans always had at least 53 seats during those years. Howard Baker was Majority Leader from 1981-1985, and Bob Dole from 1985-1987.
When there’s a real march on D.C. let me know and who the fuck are you to question the “activism” of anyone else?
To be referenced without credit is indication the words are already becoming incorporated, thus the aim of the writer is being fulfilled. :-)
One reason that Obey stands alone – I would be willing to bet that very few members of congress have heard from angry constituents demanding that they support Obey and the recommendations of the Sustainable Defense Task Force and attack the Cat Food Commission. I know there are other reasons, but that is the one that is easiest to do something about.
Articles revealing more of the complete, horrific picture of the unconscionableness level of human and environmental death paid for the US’ “wars and other military spending exist[ing] on their own fiscal planet” (hattip Michael Collins and Agonist.Org):
Big Oil – First Nigeria then the World
BP’s Russian Joint Venture Files for Bankruptcy at Kovykta
BP Has Hidden Concern: Rising Default Swap Rates (BP, RIG, HAL)
I agree with Sister Annie,
MoneyThe Petro-Dollar Can’t Buy It.“few members of congress have heard from angry constituents”
and not until Congress hears the anger will anything change. Why would it? Is anyone so naive to think that they can persuade these people with rationale arguments?
Former President Eisenhower also stated the following:
“I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it.”
Peace out.
I have feelings too. Make no mistake. And, I Am Courageous.
☮ ☮
Gave me a smile. Thank you.
They forget that others are watching.
I work so hard to be strong and happy.
Don’t you think we are overdue for some truly good news… like “the wars are over…all troops are coming home. Funds originally allocated for the wars will instead be divided among the various states based upon need to get states functioning again” ………. Well, I can dream. ❀✿
Just dropping by, but you have to remember that most people don’t even know this is happening right now.
I mean look at what happened with the Halter/Lincoln race. they stole it right in front of god and everyone’s eyes and nobody’s had a word to say.
NOBODY knows what’s going on right now with the battle between the war and the social services because there is barely a word of it even online.
I’ve had a Google alert on Medicaid funding 2010 for nearly a month and the same articles keep coming thru, and THAT’S the biggie
All the media does is show the belching well….kinds makes me feel tinfoil hat-ish
Grand Marches aren’t the only activism – unless that’s what you personally need.
All I said was I’m going to disrupt the catfood-commission-consensus-gathering meeting, with a guns & butter argument next Saturday, and you have the same opportunity in a community near you.
You can bitch at FDL by keyboard or you could go do something. Your choice.
Move quickly and peacefully to take a great deal of your power back by removing your money from TBTF banks and all they control. Instead, MoveYourMoney.Info and join others who have taken back 5 BILLION DOLLAR$ to reforge our economy into a more ethical, sustainable, no-more-war-and-death-for-profit system. Then consider volunteering with DFA to help others do the same, or, just get out the word in your community on your own initiative.
Now for your inspiration are the well-chosen words of a brighter future coming from a people that has survived more than 150 years in standing prisoner-of-war camps in this country: Wisdom of the Peace Village Elders: 2012 with Mike Bastine.
Ok, this is good. Eventually an argument emerges though and I can see this plastered all over the MSM.
“Defense Spending Cuts leaves unemployed behind.”
Since such a large part of our economy is DEFENSE, which incorporates rather well paying jobs compared to the private sector, wont this be a sort of recession in itself? A lot of these jobs are 50k plus a year jobs. I don’t think either party has the will power to do this especially in the midst of a depression. You would be effectively taking someone else’s job and giving it to a teacher, retiree or make work programs. I think this is a fair observation and I will not debate the consequences of not funding SS or medical benefit programs. Just the facts.
Cutting 1 trillion over ten years is probably not enough. The consequences of this action will be immense though. The quasi-government corporations will not be taking the hit. It will be the workers as the easiest cuts are made. The vast majority of these people will not be able to find work at the equal wage. Again, I would much rather the private sector have these jobs but if it is true that it does not matter what our debt to GDP ratio is, all this will do is cost jobs and increase the economic problems. I am just using the logic presented here.
When I say quasi-government I mean the corporations that exist mostly off of government subsidy. Boeing, Lockheed and Textron have immense funding from war. They have many brothers and sisters.
What do you see wrong with my observations? I come from the Ron Paul crowd BTW.
Thank you for the link to that video. What a peaceful thought that Algonquin Elder Mike Bastine provides and an alternate to the negative voice of fear about 2012.
Here are some links you may be interested in for a different perspective:
Cut the Military Budget
Guns vs. Butter 2010
The U.S. Employment Effects of Military and Domestic Spending Priorities
Robert Pollin and Heidi Garrett-Peltier
Department of Economics and Political Economy Research Institute
University of Massachusetts, Amherst
I will read the study. Let it be known that my perspective is a non-intervention policy meaning a drastic cut in military spending. Non-intervention is much different than isolation as well. John Adams set this tone when he did not intervene against the British in the 1790′s on side of the French. We could have been drawn into a war ans had our fragile republic destroyed. Fast forward 200 years and we have embraced first strikes to “prevent war.”
I would much rather have an infrastructure project for a city over a new destroyer. I would rather have 150 million in infrastructure spending over a new fighter that just furthers the chances we will go to war with someone. I wonder if someone has tabulated the numbers to reveal that those countries that spend more on defense have a higher chance of war than others. I wonder if it the actual build up of arms for “peace” that actually cause’s the war.
As far as the Ron Paul and progressive crowd go, I think we have more in common than what separates us.
Although I agree with the gist of the article, using Cheney as a reference as to what weapons should be cut undermines your argument something fierce. The V-22 is far from a turkey: the Marines love ‘em, as they can cruise at 15,000 feet and 300 knots all day long, nothing any of the helicopters in the U.S. inventory can do. The V-22 is also badly needed: the newest helicopter in the U.S. inventory is the Apache, which is over 20 years old.
There is another argument in this which needs to be teased out and looked at. The problem isn’t just how much the U.S. spends on weapons, but how we spend. The military procurement system is, in some areas, wildly dysfunctional, but it was made much, much worse by Rumsfeld and friends with things like spiral development and the outsourcing of project management. Any proposal to simply cut defense spending without attempting to fix the procurement system won’t solve a thing. It will be like trying to cure a clogged sink by simply turning down the water.
two things will stop these wars for profits.
cut the social security benefits.
and bring back the draft and get those materialistic college kids in a uniform and have them fight in these wars for profits.
instead we hire private contractors to peel potatos for 60 grand a year.
recently I along with the pink ladies the real patroits in america were protesting the war on the largest college campus in america.
not one college student joined that protest, not one.
bring back the draft and watch that change like it did during the nam war.
those student in the 60′s did not care for the vietnamese we were killing they hated the draft.
those same college students now are working on wall street and have become the worst of the worst of american imperialism.
Ditto. Reactivate the draft = Appetite for war decreases.
http://www.caivn.org/article/2010/05/12/us-military-besieged-record-suicide-rate
Thank you spork. It needed fixing.
Islamabad, Kabul, and Taliban are now united against the hated imperial aggressors. Karzai has chosen Japan to begin to develop Afghanistan’s mining potential. Obama has led the U.S. to another humiliating military defeat. This on the heels of Bush’s unprovoked rape and plunder of Iraq. American Emperors are amoral, blood thirsty, unaccountable and incompetent whether they are Democrats or Republicans. Boycott the legacy parties.
People calling for conscription were probably never subject to it and are certainly not draft age men. Why not call for withdrawal if that is what you want? Conscription only piles obscenity upon obscenity.
Obey Makes Rare DC Connection Between Domestic Spending and War Funding
Rep. Dave Obey Slows War Funding
If they get all this out by the end of the lame duck congress in Dec, the Dems will have done what they were put in there to do…completely end the New Deal.
And by 2013, we will have Tim Pawlenty as president.
Again, I say, NOBODY knows about this let alone are calling their Senators about it. I’ve been calling night and day.
Remember, don’t scream at the aide! They have a tough job. I know. I have a niece who who for Boxer and answering those phones all day is making her really depressed!
“But why is David Obey standing alone?”
Because he is retiring?
America’s war in Afghanistan was started and led by Bushies. Obama is too politically cowardly to end it. Yes, he deserves some of the lashes for this awful war, but the Bush Administration is primary.
Husband in the Navy (aircraft carrier) during Cuban Missile Crisis. Brother and brother-in-law in Korean War. Brother-in-law in combat and wounded. I do not advocate war. I’m only saying that if everyone who was able had to serve, perhaps we would end this madness.
There has never been a time when everyone who was able had to serve. Conscription falls on young working class males only. It is a form of slavery. The only thing worse is war itself.
Yes of course. Obama inherited the war. He also escalated it. I also agree that Obama is a coward, along with Pelosi and Reid and the entire Democrat/Republican congress that rubber stamps tax payer money for murder and mayhem.
At long last -
Iraq as a war for oil
and Afghanistan as a war for $1 trillion of materials for US corporations to exploit -
Honesty in war making rather than GOP talk about “values” – but I doubt mainstream media will notice – and we will be back to “fight them there rather than fight them here” talk by next week.
Well, it’s shock doctrine stuff.
Break social security and medicare and you lose the programs. How do you do that? Funnel money elsewhere and just steal from the trust fund as you please–then sell everyone on the idea that we’re broke and changes HAVE to be made.
It’s no mystery what they’re doing.
Profit off the poor and soon to be extinct middle class.
When the U.S. is broke go someplace else. There are no borders anymore among the ruling class. There is no “country”. It’s about going after wealth–wherever it exists.
They’re parasites.
And sadly, not enough people see that and how urgent our position is–and others are totally brainwashed and gone to the point of doing what they can to enable that ruling class.
By the time everyone “gets it” the crooks will have left behind a poverty ridden wasteland and moved on.
And the right? They’ll blame progressives.
“Parasites” is a very appropriate term.. They’ll have new wars to start as soon as someone figures out how to get a mine into the middle-east.. Ooopss, the oligarchs got pitched a high-inside slider when Karzai said this morning that “Japan Has ‘Priority’ On Rights To Mine Afghanistan Mineral Deposits”. HA!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/20/japan-has-priority-on-rig_n_618545.html
BBWWWHHHHAAAAAAaaaaaa…… AND that while Jamie Diamonds mercenaries are in Afghanistan trying to figure out how THEY can get at the resources…!! HA!!!
Why the silence?
Because it is not a veal pen, it is an abbatoir.