In a recent post, Jon Walker took aim at the Roosevelt Institute Campus Network’ s Budget for the Millennial America. Zachary Kolodin responds, clarifying the purpose, process and policies behind the plan.
When the President launched his deficit commission in early 2010, Roosevelt Institute Campus Network began to hear rumbling from Millennials across our 8,000-person network, demanding a voice at the national level about the future of the country. Over the course of 2010, we helped convene thousands of students to discuss the challenges facing the country–climate change, inequality, the recession, and the long-term structural deficit—without guiding their thinking. These students collaboratively produced a Blueprint for the Millennial America, published in December 2010—an ambitious document that captures the Millennial Generation’s vision for America. It is, frankly, heartening, that it is a strongly progressive vision.
Our Budget for the Millennial America is based off this vision—a vision that was developed entirely independently of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation. Its contents represent the compromises that our students made in order to produce a coherent proposal. It’s a plan to build the future we want to inherit together; the fact that it reduces debt to 60% by 2035 is secondary.
When the students in our budget working groups discussed how to approach the challenge of health care in America, we found agreement on the goal—providing quality, affordable health care (not just nominal insurance) for all Americans, while curbing medical inflation. However, finding common ground on how to get there was much more difficult. There were some who wanted to immediately implement a single payer system, but there were also many students who wanted to build on the PPACA and forgo a public plan. The budget represents a compromise between these two positions. Roosevelt builds on the PPACA by giving much more power to IPAB, repealing the monopoly exemption for health insurance companies, and implementing bundled payment reforms that will save billions and improve care. We expect these reforms to work, and our CBO score
reflects this. However, if medical inflation continues unabated, we implement one of the most aggressive public option plans proposed in the health care reform debate.
In his recent critique, Jon Walker characterizes our proposal to allow states to pool their health insurance markets as “the official position of the Republican Party.” That’ s just plain wrong. The mainstream conservative proposal is to allow insurance companies to sell insurance across state lines, which would indeed result in a regulatory race to the bottom. But in the Roosevelt proposal, states are permitted to create pooled markets with a common set of regulations negotiated by the states. Insurance companies are not allowed to sell across the boundaries of a pooled market. If insurers in Delaware want to sell to consumers in New York, they have to do so on a playing field that New York voters agree to. A proposal like this, when combined with the repeal of the monopoly exemption, will give more power to consumers in states like New Jersey and Arkansas,
and many others that are currently dominated by monopolistic insurance companies.
In the plan, we replace the employer exclusion for health insurance with a tax subsidy.
Our intention is that the subsidy maintains its full value over time. For scoring purposes, the subsidy was indexed to inflation, but only because our tax scorekeepers would not index it to a dynamic definition of medical inflation. Walker states: “The only way the rebate would save the government large amounts of money is if they aren’ t indexed probably.” That’s true. Our tax subsidy is dramatically more expensive than the employer exclusion. But it also provides far better financial assistance to the people who need it. It matches the subsidy provided by the most generous health insurance plans and provides far more support for middle and lower income people than the employer exclusion currently provides. It could be improved by adding an age rating, but doing so was far too complex for this exercise.
This budget plan manages to cut medical inflation by more than any other. Furthermore, we actually expand health benefits on the whole. The 25.5% reduction in government health care costs is extracted almost entirely from health insurers and providers.
In the Budget for the Millennial America, thousands of young voters from the largest generation in American history—33% of the voting electorate by 2016—collaboratively agreed to implement a massive stimulus, raise more revenue, expand Social Security, beef up the PPACA, end “Too Big to Fail,” and build a 21st century green economy. I’m personally thrilled that the generation that will come to dominate American politics for decades rallied around a proposal this progressive.



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The index-to-inflation health care savings from your plan comes from using the same accounting trick Paul Ryan’s Medicare privatization plan uses.
As the co-founder of the Roosevelt Campus Network, thank you so much for being here today Zach. We really appreciate it.
I see you’re a 2007 Wesleyan graduate. Jon Walker graduated in 2006.
http://www.rooseveltcampusnetwork.org/users/zachary-kolodin
How did you come to found the Roosevelt Campus Network?
I wasn’t the best of students when at Wesleyan
You’ve evidently soared.
I live in Germany. Like most of Europe, and we are by no means the best either, our healthcare is universal, has a “public option” that the vast majority of people are insured through, and costs, per capita, half or less that which the US system does, whilst delivering vastly superior results.
Your witterings are plutocratic pap. Address the issue in my last paragraph. Absolutely nothing you offer will lead to the kinds of cost reduction implementing a proper, universal health care system will. Nothing. There are examples of such systems from all around the world. They work. Their delivery is vastly superior to that in the United States. Our life expectancies are diverging. Mine is rising, yours is falling.
You and your institute have not one shred of credibility left. In the words of GWB, “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”. When it gets revolutionary, things go that way. Watch out!
By the way, I let Zach know that this would be on the front page at 9:45, so hopefully he’ll be here to respond.
“There were some who wanted to immediately implement a single payer system, but there were also many students who wanted to build on the PPACA and forgo a public plan. The budget represents a compromise between these two positions.”
Sorry, that’s the problem right there. No need to go any further.
The only realistic way to remove medical inflation is to excise the profit motive from the equation. The only way to do that is to remove the industry that is mandated by law to work to turn a profit for its shareholders.
I call bullshit on the use of the Roosevelt name to try tricking people into thinking this is an honest effort to address the biggest problem facing this country, the capture of the government by corporate pirates who are intent on taking every penny from working people for themselves.
Sorry, foregoing a public plan is not a progressive position. Compromising with those who oppose a private plan is not a progressive way forward.
Thanks for the explanation. What does this mean:
“But in the Roosevelt proposal, states are permitted to create pooled markets with a common set of regulations negotiated by the states.”
What is a “pooled market,” and how does it function? How does it improve the individual insurance purchaser’s market power?
sorry, should read “public plan.”
I would say there is clearly no compromise. The people who wanted PPACA without a public option clearly won outright.
I find very hard believe there are a lot of young people share the same extremely unpopular position on health care as Joe Lieberman.
I think a “pooled market” is one where fraud, theft and plunder are more easy to disguise from proles and serfs.
Given the current make up of the Department of Justice and the virtual absence of the Federal Trade Commission in mergers and acquisition, what makes you think repeal of anti-trust exemptions today would have any noticeable effect on the “competitiveness” of the private insurance market or the hospital industry? And isn’t the ACA encouraging more mergers and cooperative agreements between them that would, in another era, have been found to be violations of the anti-trust acts?
Indeed, it is quite “un-fuckin’-believeable”, isn’t it?
In his post entitled “Speaking Truth to Power,” Roosevelt Institute Executive Director Andrew Rich explained that “our organization, in consultation with our board of directors, agreed that our Campus Network should participate in a program sponsored by the Peterson Foundation to develop a budget plan.”
http://my.firedoglake.com/rooseveltinstitute/2011/06/06/speaking-truth-to-power/
Can you tell me how you, as co-founder of the Campus Network, originally heard about the proposal, and how the decision was reached for the organization to participate? What was your interaction with the Board of Directors, and what kind of supervision did they provide on the project?
http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/people/board-directors
Members of the Board of Directors
Ben F. Barnes
Elizabeth Roosevelt Johnston
Joe Louis Barrow, Jr.
Philip W. Johnston
Marian Breeze
Harold Levy
Douglas Brinkley
Jay Mazur
Sarah Fitz-Randolph Brown
Sally Minard
George Chao-Chi Chu
Cantwell F. Muckenfuss III
Lynn Bassanese
Dennis J. Murray
Donald L. Fowler
Mrs. Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr.
Robert F. Gatje
Paul R. Rudd
Fredrica S. Goodman
Kathleen M. Sloane
George Morris Gurley
Gillian Martin Sorensen
David Chen-Chun Hsu
Katrina vanden Heuvel
Nancy Roosevelt Ireland
Brian L. Wolff
“I’m personally thrilled that the generation that will come to dominate American politics for decades rallied around a proposal this progressive.”
No. You’re personally thrilled to think yourself part of a tiny, elitist subset that is desperate to acceed to the same oligarchal power structures currently in place, and have your turn at the trough. I call you what you are. A shill for the billionaires. A useful idiot. Your “defense” of your proposals is a disgrace.
FDL should be busy investigating who the “students” on your panel were, how they came to be there, and what exactly the relationship is between you people and the current overlords of the Uniparty, and extra-democratic things like the Peterson thinktank.
Krugman has frequently refered to Ken Arrow’s seminal discussion of why the health insurance/care industry is not amenable to a competitive market solution. And that’s quite apart from the massive market concentration the exists in most insurance markets, with only 1 or 2 insurers capturing most of the market.
Does our guest/author disagree with Arrow’s/Krugman’s critique? Or to put it another way, why should we assume the “insurance market” will function to achieve efficient results — adequate supplies at reasonable/sustainable prices — in the state pools?
And if there’s doubt about that, then why is it good public policy to push more people into that non-competitive non-market?
there were also many students who wanted to build on the PPACA and forgo a public plan.
this is the same thing as saying;
“there were some who wanted to eliminate slavery but there were some who wanted to forgo government intervention”
the fact that there are some people who oppose the only solution that would lower prices and provide real competition doesn’t mean you eliminate that solution
I don’t see state by state health care working and I particularly don’t see it working when you use for profit middle men. Medicare is about 10% of the population. It has universal standards which makes standardization of forms a money saver. Meanwhile private care care makes it’s money(from the mouth of one of their own whistleblowers) by changing coding and hoping that the “customer” will get tired of appealing. Medicaid is a disaster because some states go so far as to tell the people applying how much value they can have in a vehicle, others are more generous. Many physicians opt out of participating. As it stands we have states that want to “opt out” of providing health care.
Subsidies at schools have increased the costs of college. Why would subsidies decrease costs in this instance?
I see an awful lot of flaws in this plan and I don’t see how it actually delivers on the goal of providing quality care to each and every citizen.
Ok, this is a definite statement, so here is a definiate rebuttal:
1. There are no costs containment features (removal of multiple profit centers) in your plan. The Insurance Cos are profit centers, the hospitals are profit centers, the doctors are profit centers, and so on. A simple analysis will show that the levels of administration (claims) expense, and profit center reduce the $1.00 paid in “Health Insurance” to less than $0.10 iin actual bebefits to patients.
2. You provide an assertion you plan will work. Please provide one example on the planet where this is so.
3. You propose to “buy time” with you plan, ignoring that the Medical System in the US is broken now (by cost per person, infant mortality and life expectancy measures), and provide a solution at some “further date”.
4. With expected cuts to Medicaid, we are again throwing the working poor and unemployed off the train. They will get no healthcare. In addition you do not address medical expense triggered bankruptcies.
Is short, you plan, while a noble effort at compromise (sarcasm intended), does to little to late.
You may believe your plan is feasible, there are many who do not. I for one. I have lived under a National Health System (UK), and under a system with Cost Caps (South Africa).
The NHS was effective. Cost Caps were not, the doctors contracted out.
In addition you do not address one of the glaring issues facing medical practive today, costs of the medical education. What do you believe people with debts of $250,000 unpon graduation have both learned and decided to do?
Charge as much as possible in the fee-for service system? Or selflessly practice medicine?
What we are seeing in the US Medical System are Symptoms of a much deeper underlying systemic cause; rent extraction, first by higher education. Then rent extraction taught to our young by the system as the correct and proper way for a society to behave, with little or no emphasis on “the common good,” because “the common good” is a cost to be paid “by others.”
During the debates over ACA, one of the political schemes to prevent the development of a “public option” was to tie it to a “trigger,” which could only be pulled at some future date if certain conditions were met. I see the same concept here:
“However, if medical inflation continues unabated, we implement one of the most aggressive public option plans proposed in the health care reform debate.”
At the time, that discussion was understood to be a ruse, a device to fool public option advocates into thinking they got something, but setting up the conditions so that either the trigger would never be pulled, or delaying the decision so that another Administration would, for political reasons, simply claim the conditions were not present — even thought the “trigger” conditions had already been met at the time the ACA was enacted.
Does our guest/author view that history differently. Why should be trust this “trigger”???
Cantwell F. Muckenfuss III
3 of em
now that is a name
I’m more interested in knowing what process they used for the following:
[O]ur 8,000-person network [demanded] a voice at the national level about the future of the country. Over the course of 2010, we helped convene thousands of students to discuss the challenges facing the country–climate change, inequality, the recession, and the long-term structural deficit—without guiding their thinking. These students collaboratively produced a Blueprint for the Millennial America, published in December 2010.
What was the process used to determine this? What materials did you distribute, and what did you use to measure the opinions of 8000 people? As someone who runs a blog visited by 100,000 people a day, I know the difference between my opinion and what the majority of the people who comment on the blog think. Before we say things like “our readers believe” we like to run polls to determine that, so we’ll have something to point to. But the results rarely surprise anyone, as our active commenting system allows us the opportunity for daily interactivity and feedback from a large number of people — something organizations rarely have.
Did you do any polling of your network to find out if the policies outlined in the proposal were supported by them?
i agree with Kabuki
your healthcare dollars are going to yachts and billionaires homes…while ordinary Americans cant not even afford their co pays,and dont go to the doctor
I appreciate this thoughtful response very much.
There was one part that jumped out at me:
In a world where the Bush tax cuts for the rich can become the Obama tax cuts for the rich, how is offering tax subsidies to replace the employer exclusion for health insurance in any way progressive?
Your trigger thing also appears to be nothing more than the old Republican trigger nonsense.
There are better ways to discourage medical inflation.
this person of course enjoys good insurance ,and care,so no worry for now,till THEY are PERSONALLY affected
here’s the bottom line as far as health care is concerned;
private industry has a profit model, they have a “do as little as possible” model, they have a “try to keep customers from using their health care” model
they have to, they are in business to make money they are NOT in business to provide health care
public programs have a service model, they are not in it for profit, this serves far more goals then the health care alone
you get more staff working at living wage rather then at the lowest wage the company can get away with, you get more people using their health care and staying healthy
in addition
government gets a positive return (tax income) when they return a laborer to the work force, insurance gets no such return
here we go again
medical CONSUMERS?…not patients
Heh. in my state the cable companies have “gentlemen’s agreements” to only gouge the customers in their proscribed areas. Our “choice” was restricted to a single option. I’m sure it would work out completely different in health care though(rolling eyes).
yep we’re just a greedy, wasteful bunch who get bored and go to the doctors for kicks dontcha know. At least that’s the story being sold during the health care plan rollout as to why everyone should have to pay for a plan with an outrageous deductible that would account for some people’s entire paycheck for 2 weeks.
The thing I don’t see here is simply real cost control, especially in a system of profit, executive salaries and very high admin costs. I would have this criticism under any plan including single payer, but a single payer would likely have a big advantage to control costs. I read that we spend 70% more on health care than other countries. How will you reduce this cost while (a) providing universal health care and (b) quality health care?
I begin to suspect he won’t be showing up. Probably got some “Skull ‘n’ Bones” function to attend? Or maybe he’s busy at Bildergberg as we speak?
How many of the students who participated in the project pay their own health care insurance? How many were still on their parents’ healthcare plan?
How many of the participants in the project had no healthcare coverage?
hahahahahahaha
cut to the chase
people are dying in droves,murder,man slaughter…what do you wanna call it
no health care=death
Thank you for giving us this opportunity to explain the process used to create this budget and some of the finer details in the health care section. Zach is not going to be available to respond to comments. For any substantive questions about the budget, I urge you to take a look at the details in the full document, which you can find here: http://www.rooseveltcampusnetwork.org/blog/budget-millennial-america
You can also learn more about the Campus Network’s unique Think 2040 process and how it created the original Blueprint for a Millennial America by visiting these links: http://think2040.org/ http://www.rooseveltcampusnetwork.org/chapter/think-2040 http://www.rooseveltcampusnetwork.org/chapter/1875/blueprint-millennial-america
“It’s a plan to build the future we want to inherit together; the fact that it reduces debt to 60% by 2035 is secondary.”
We want to inherit together? Then perhaps a second project needs to happen and interview the parents of the students to come up with a plan. Parents and grandparents are also inheriting the future. Evidently this plan is not formed from a generational plurality. Thus, how can this “plan” be pitched as progressive?
you are far to sensible to comment on this/
what you describe is a win/win situation,also giving said citizen something he no longer possesses….disposable income
well its so nice that “the institute” is here to respond..not Zach himself…Franklin,and especially Eleanor ,are rolling in their graves
OT:
Jane,
Please put the following youtube video up, or ask someone who knows how to do it at myFDL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7wdKg8rYL0&feature=player_embedded
(sorry, i still don’t know how to include video in a post.)
So, the response to FDL, the king of researching commenters, is, “Take a look at the full document?
Jon Walker did a good job. Guess it is now “our turn”.
Okay folks, should we? How should we divide up the document and feed our research to Jane?
Should we Jane?
I initially appreciated this effort to respond, but the lack of engagement here doesn’t make the Institute look good at all.
They claim to be able to pool the ideas of thousands of young people and distill them into a “progressive” proposal, but they can’t come here to engage in discussion of their own response?
great video…so sad merkins are in need of entertainment to get life saving facts…oy
we the people,must demand the same care we pay our congresscritters to enjoy…demand it
Wow. Now this is what I call a canned response. Not even an attempt at an explanation for Zach’s lack of availability or for their inability to send someone here to discuss their own flipping response. Cowards.
I’m comfortable with the use of comedy to get the message out, especially when it’s both informative and funny as hell.
Besides, I think these scientists are also mocking the fact that they have to use entertainment to make their point at the same time that they’re mocking the likes of Rush and Fox News.
Btw, I found this on the blog of a Buddhist monk!
imagine that
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304778304576373592455703056.html
Franklin just rolled over in his grave and mumbled: “Judas, you have taken my name in vain.”
yup,went to Hyde Park to vsit home and grave..SHAME HERE
terrific kids…peeeps…they know what they are up against
teh smarties!
http://www.worldsalaries.org/generalphysician.shtml
It doesn’t matter if it’s single payer or public option or anything else.
Doctors in the US make twice what doctors in Europe make. US healthcare costs more because the healthcare professionals are paid better.
Based on what has turned out to be a lame effort on their part in this case, I don’t see this Institute having much of a bright future.
If they cared at all about the reputation of Franklin, they’d change their name so as not to sully his.
and these are the PROGRESSIVES
hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahha
Further proof that FDL is giving the PTB a case of indigestion. Let’s move on to a full blown migraine.
Go FDL.
Keep spreadin’ the sunshine.
If you know how to put it up in a myFDL post, please do! It’ll get more visibility that way.
Exactly where my mind went on this. No offense to the eager, bright-eyed students who are getting involved (I was one of those once), but how do they have enough personal experience with the logistics and economics of the current health”care” system to offer tactical solutions to the healthcare crisis in America? Same with other aspects of this project.
Not sure about the Roosevelt Institute’s intentions or motivations here. But beyond that, it’s off-putting that it’s presented as a “budget”, as that makes it sound like something to be used or exploited by actual policymakers. It would be more palatable if they’d framed it simply as a snapshot of current student perspectives regarding large issues facing our society in the near-term future.
yes and Eleanor who was a Roosevelt before marrying Franklin,and engaged him,in the trials and tribulations of the working poor in America…bless her dear universe
“However, if medical inflation continues unabated, we implement one of the most aggressive public option plans proposed in the health care reform debate.”
Why not just acknowledge that medical inflation will continue unabated? Or if it is abated at all, it will be modest, after the fact and accomplished through statistical manipulation. Why persist in designing and promoting systems doomed to fail while 45,000 Americans will continue to die and/or go bankrupt year after year while this illusory reform drags on and on?
I see it as just one more effort to delay the inevitable while taking a few more bites at the apple and wealth distributing to the upper levels as long as is practicable before the masses actually turn to the streets in frustration.
I found the comment the desire to “build the future we want to inherit together” telling – because it does in fact seem like a scheme of the privileged and the scions of wealth;in other words, those with actual, concrete, financial inheritances. Your plan, like all the others that ignore the simple and correct solution of Single Payer, fails to address the day to day concerns of average Americans who are living stagnant paycheck to stagnant paycheck and have to suffer being constantly advised by the wealthy and connected as to what is “affordable”
Your plan is homage to intractable ignorance of what works for the majority of the world while you hunker down in in obedience to the “uniquely American” system that sane people marvel at for its inefficiencies and injustices.
The Roosevelt Institute? Like I always say, it’s like discovering the Party to Save Unicorns is a front for the unicorn meatpacking industry.
fantastic comment
You used the word insurance in the last line. But the rest of your post could be talking about doctors and hospitals.
Why not just have the government take over all of it. Pay nurses $50k per year and doctors $100k per year. That’ll keep the costs down.
x2
Harsh, but so well stated!
I initially wanted to address some of the points in this response with civility. This Institute has demonstrated that they’re not willing – not able? – to have a civil exchange.
Indeed, they appear now to be little more than an organization that has been set up to wrap bullshit with the aura of reasonableness in order to give it the look of a progressive position.
That’s what Obama does.
It’s a disservice to progressives.
Let me correct that for you:
Thank you for giving us this opportunity to paint our budget as having a process. Thank you for letting us explain the finer details in the health care section. Zach is unable to respond to comments because you obviously aren’t going to be wowed by our flim flam and know too much about the subject for our sock puppet to answer your process question, much less your substantive corrections to our assumptions. In case there is someone who doesn’t get that we are a fully owned Peterson subsidiary and can still be swayed by the repetition of the big lie I urge you to take a look at the full document, which you can find here….
Please pay special attention where we try to justify more moves to take your money while eliminating the current social programs we have in America. We will use lots of big words and misleading descriptions to try to convince younger Americans they are doomed if they don’t change those things. We need your help to rip you off.
As I said upthread. Either a Skull ‘N’ Bones function or he’s Bilderberging as we speak.
This is the second time the RI has posted on this project and we have yet to have a spokesperson who can respond in detail to the comments made by us. Referring us to the document is not a response and tells me the Institute is unwilling to discuss the report.
To my thinking one cannot manipulate neoliberal ideas into progressive ideas. IOW, no matter how much lipstick you put on this pig it’s still a pig.
Isn’t “millenialism” something wingnutty, teavangelicals like to indulge in? Is that actually what you people are really about? I’ll say it outright. You are a disgrace and you are the enemies of ordinary people. When the Arab Spring finally reaches the shores of America, you will not be forgotten, any of you. Don’t worry about that.
Me likee that idea
“The Roosevelt Institute? Like I always say, it’s like discovering the Party to Save Unicorns is a front for the unicorn meatpacking industry.”
Spectacular. AND they want a pass for getting the kids involved.
never forget
from Sicko
Michael Moore: That way, you’ll be the kind of employee they’re looking for – one who needs this job. But what employer wouldn’t want to employ someone thousands of dollars in debt? Because they won’t cause any trouble. In addition to having to pay off your college debt, you need a job with health insurance. It would be horrible to lose that kind of job. And if that one job doesn’t pay all the bills, don’t worry, you can get another one, and another one, and another one.
woman who works 3 jobs: I work three jobs, and I feel like I contribute.
George W. Bush: You work 3 jobs?
woman who works 3 jobs: 3 jobs. Yes.
George W. Bush: [to crowd] Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean that is fantastic that you’re doing that. Get any sleep?
Hey Jane. Did you see the response downthread? Zach can’t come, though we aren’t deemed worthy of knowing the reason why.
Put these people on the list of enemies. Mark them down for jail time when the moment comes. They’re in it up to their necks.
I am starting to wonder what the RI’s “communications plan” is all about and, perhaps more to the point, who is running it?
The certainly do not understand modern social media.
I wonder what the F stands for.
Who will tell the kids?
We have already told you what young Americans want. You can believe it because we call ourselves The “Roosevelt” Institute. Now don’t expect us to answer any of your questions. And click on our links. Thanks.
Alan, the website you have quoted doesn’t give a German salary. Moreover, the statistics are drawn from a range of years, some 2002, some 2005. But in any case, if you look at the right hand column and convert the salaries (most of which are transparent bollocks anyway) to “todays” dollars, i.e. euro-dollar = 1 : 1.45,
you’ll find what you are saying isn’t true.
Have no fear, there are no starving doctors in Germany. On any level. On top of that, their net salaries have already paid for their own healthcare, as well as several hundred other “social” provisions that in the US are the responsiblity of the “individual”.
It’s quite possible that I’m missing something, but I do not see the utility in basing a national economic plan on the work of students on campus, who have inherently limited experience with life, politics, economics and social needs.
In one sense, they represent a cross-section of American life, but it’s a slice of the very young, intellectual, ambitious and fortunate. In today’s America, the representativeness of that particular cross-section seems to be declining. As one voice in a chorus, fine. As the lead soloist, rubbish.
As I understand it, states could form a pool by agreeing on a common set of regulations and a common enforcement mechanism.
bingo
Wow. I agree with something George W. Bush has said!
It is “uniquely American.”
How anyone could agree that that’s “fantastic,” on the other hand, I’ll never know…
I’m not happy with the government operating without competition either allan
that’s why there are private beach clubs and public, private tennis courts and public, there is the police and there are body guards
I think a choice between one or the other is really the best solution
even in our veteran health care, which is single payer, the veteran has the right to go to a private source for care, if they want to pay that private provider
doctors do make more ,for same services in America
because chimpie,never had a real job,with real work
As a means of crowd sourcing, of focus grouping a section of Americana, this exercise seems useful. Like a section of any object, it freezes an animated form and portrays aspects of it in two-dimensions, which may well not be representational of the living thing or how its parts work together to make it a viable organism. It may have given voice to the next generation; it also seems an attempt to give legitimacy to a conservative, not progressive budget proposal.
If the left agrees by its actions that the 20 yard-line is new 50 yard-line, who will remember what midfield looks like?
In my experience, the vast majority of students at universities believe that they’re going to graduate and get the best jobs out there.
The reality of the job market and how the system is being manipulated hasn’t hit them yet.
and they are subsidized by their parents
the real world is much tougher
This comment was supposed to be a response to earlofhuntingdon immediately above.
Lets see how about FUCKHEAD.
For some. I suppose Alan is partly right. Essentially though, reforming healthcare provision in the US in line with a “European” model would probably lead to large drops in the most exorbitant end of the US doctor salary spectrum. Having said that, there are plenty of very, very well paid Germany doctors. Even this system funds high rolling lifestyles.
….”there were also many students who wanted to build on the PPACA and forgo a public plan.”
Those students get an *F*.
“In addition you do not address one of the glaring issues facing medical practice today, costs of the medical education. What do you believe people with debts of $250,000 unpon graduation have both learned and decided to do?”
That is an excellent point. Everyone trying to eliminate the evil profit motive in healthcare ignores (or more likely does not give a darn about) the sunk investments in the industry as we know it today. The resident with a quarter-million in loans is just supposed to lump it. The companies in business today making a profit are just supposed to get screwed along the way. And what about their shareholders (including many a pension fund or mutual fund)?
a beautiful woman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Roosevelt
The rightwing meme that all it takes to make corporate excess productive for larger ends is consumer “choice” is akin to brer rabbit’s plea not to be thrown into the briar patch. It assures that those with excessive power will not face a countervailing force with equivalent or greater power.
Consumer choice does not exist in the medical market place. Who has access to peer or insurance company reviews of doctors, medical procedures, drug efficacy? What individual has any say in whether her insurance plan includes or excludes any of those? When in dire need of medical care, who has the presence of mind or market power to contest an $11,000 charge for an hour or so’s use of a hospital emergency room (an actual bill)?
The solution to compensating for excessive market power of insurers and medical providers is not to fractionalize consumer power through the marketing medium of “choice”. That’s a rigged game. A far more effective route – the one chosen by every other advanced economy – is for the people to use the collective market power of their government to sit on the other side of the seesaw, assuring that it balances or goes up as well as down. Consumer choice in this instance is like pairing on the seesaw a 500 lb gorilla and a poodle; it will tip whichever way the gorilla wants.
Ahead of her time, she helped create our times. In many ways, she was FDR’s conscience.
Great video, Knox!
More …
Climate Ark: http://www.climateark.org
Grist.Org: http://www.grist.org
Not hard to manipulate that outcome, given 30 years of propaganda built around the meme that “government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem” promoted by, um, the Peterson Institute, Reagan, the Bush dynasty, Gingrich, Armey, DeLay, Fox, ad nauseum.
Earl has hit it on the head. These are students. Teaching is the fine art of asking leading questions, from a premise that has been carefully crafted, to get your students to parrot your point of view. Students not towing the line are ridiculed by the teacher until they submit. The “best and brightest minds” are best at parroting their teacher.
The question is not, “Who were the students, their background or socioeconomic caste?”
The pertinent question is, “Who was the teacher guiding the exercise?”
Which professors(s) was hired by the Roosevelt Institute, needed to publish work and bring in grants, and probably went to Ivy college themselves and worshiped at the PTB alter, was responsible for running this debacle?
We should be looking at the funding mechanisms for the RI. We should be asking what their ideological agenda is. We should know if this teacher in using the RI as a stepping stone to a more prestigious University.
Jon was right in his original critique.
Jane was cordially hitting this point, “Who are on the Board?”
Earle, “I do not see the utility in basing a national economic plan on the work of students…” is right on.
RI can not possibly defend, so they ran.
Who are on the Board
elites…did a little teh google
Millennial Budget Offers Hope For Further Pillaging of Americans’ pocketbooks, Right Wing Ideas for Progressives
/Fixed That For ya
same HOPE ,BHO promissed ,you betcha to quote the quitter
So how long before this document is presented by the Peterson Foundation as “their” plan?
Haven’t seen anyone trash their brand this effectively in a long time. Selling out to Pete Peterson for $200,000; he would have paid you $20,000,000/annually.
Sounds like “America Speaks” to me!
(PDF)
http://www.rooseveltcampusnetwork.org/sites/all/files/Think%202040%20Phase%20II_Facilitators%20Guide_0.pdf
“Building” a conservative economic plan around “student voices” is great marketing. Everyone wants to be young and promote the young; we all have children, want children or know people who do. No one wants to be Mr. Simpson, waving his figurative shotgun and yelling at kids to get off his lawn. It is also mediocre or harmful policy-making.
Who says the left still knows how to negotiate? If Mr. Obama is the model, we’d all walk away from the poker table or negotiating table penniless.
I’m sorry, but did I miss the RI’s support for its proposal, or should I just read another press release that tells me how well it understands blogging and media in America?
In WA State the pooled market is WSHIP, set up for those that are refused insurance from the private health insurance companies. It’s terribly expensive, set up by the private health insurance companies, denials galore and just bad all the way around but it is an option for those with pre-existing conditions. The insurance commissioner’s office agrees that WSHIP is terrible and will tell you they can’t really do much and you’ll have to go to the legislature to get anything fixed. In 2004 with 500 deductible it cost $930.00 per mo. for 2 adults. I can’t imagine what it is today.
Washington Basic Health is a pool which bases its cost on income but it has dropped many from its roles in this economy. I don’t know if you can even get on a waiting list anymore.
Single Payer is the answer IMO.
How did you spend $200,000 producing a 10 page report? What was the budget for this project?
Most of this project does not jive with the PEW polls. Hmmmm…
Jane,
It would be neat to get FDL commenters, who have great research skills, to go through the document/plan (it has been presented to us as both, which means there are designs for future traction with this from a policy perspective). We should draw comparisons to the PEW poll which FDL addressed yesterday.
Perhaps once we understand the research methods used to derive the content of the plan, we could conduct the same research approach here at the Lake and compare outcomes and perhaps develop an FDL plan.
This could be done as an “FDL action” or “work”. After all, our progressive nature requires us to clarify and investigate further the purpose, process, and policies behind the plan. Especially when the RI Campus Network developed this vision independently of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation.
Let’s see how our independent vision, developed with inter-generational progressive responders, grows.
BTW, many of us asked questions which the “plan” does not answer. How will our questions get answered? I thought it was quite professional of you to offer a forum for the RI to respond to Jon Walker’s post. It is unprofessional that our solid questions, especially “stats” and methodology based questions,are not being answered with specifics. The lack of a response to such questions is not what I would expect from a Progressive organization presenting a Progressive vision.
However, with the fact that progressive is spelled with a lower case “p”, I think this is a plan that does not represent Progressivism but a rebranding of the use of the word “progressive” (as in advocating reform) in the political arena. Imagine the confusion policy-wise.
I give you guys credit for reaching to FDL and explaining your posititon as this dialog helps all of us,,,,and hopefully FDL will influence you guys to see the progressive light! I would welcome dialog with Peterson…but he may not welcome me or other members of FDL!
Has anyone mentioned the Orwellian title to this post?
That is splended work! Outstanding takedown!
Let’s not forget to thank Yves Smith for getting the ball rolling by calling out the RI, EPI, etc., for their sellouts.
I said upthread that millenialism is normally something associated with the beliefs of the most wingnutty, teavangelicals – the kind who’ve bought “that” kind of pet insurance (you know the story, I’m sure). What next then? Faith based initiatives from the RI? It’s beyond a joke. All of it.
Yves Smith is great. So is Chris Hedges.
No arguments about that.
Every time I reread this epustule from the Roosevelt Instutute I cry another tear for the millions who died in wars to preserve this country, while crumbs sell their souls to Peter Care Peterson’s grandfather so the entitled boy can continue his “relationship” with Paris Hilton’s brother at the “best” places in NYC. http://jasereraser.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/gay-face-that-insufferable-twit-from-new-york-prep-comes-out-and-its-with-paris-hiltons-brother/
Of course, when they cut Social Security Peter will have to step over the beggars and homeless around the clubs where rich boys go to squander America’s wealth.
Meanwhile, Granpa pays taxes at a 15% rate. What a world!
spot on comment to which they will not reply.
They say “we helped convene thousands of students to discuss the challenges facing the country–climate change, inequality, the recession, and the long-term structural deficit—without guiding their thinking.” forgetting their job is not to collect the opinions formed by US Media pounding the rich and corporate line into the students heads. They exist – or the Roosevelt implies – that they advance something other than the rich and corporate view – and if they don’t want to do that, cease to exist as others will promote the kill benefits rather than improve them view. Not one word on tax in the US being the lowest in the developed world. Hell of a tribute to FDR.
They change nothing that actually affects medical inflation and administrative waste – like single payer and the Maryland Medicare waiver for a state board to set prices foe health care services that all providers must be paid by all insurers.
As to “a common set of regulations negotiated by the states”, having been in the business for over 40 years I know how easy it is to buy insurance department decisions in many state – decisions that are NEVER “made by the voters”. Yes there are a dozen states that will not give up real regulation, so these major states will not form multi-state packs approved by each states’ legislating body and governor – so there will be no cost savings. The others will do the race to the bottom but a faster pace – as the monopoly situation will continue as costs race upward still faster than before (someone must explain to me what is the competitive edge other than paying hospitals etc more than the other guy – heck of a way to cut down on medical inflation).
But the Roosevelt Institute has protected those Health insurance company CEO hundred million dollar salaries, and that is important /s
Zachary, I think your report of the results of the campus network is missing what has become the central question for most your critics. That question is:
Given RIs heritage why did it allow its campus network to accept a Grant from an organization committed to the basic assumption that there is a long-term deficit/debt/debt-to-GDP ratio problem, and to adopt that assumption itself for its fiscal report without even considering the alternative that there is no such problem?
That is not openness! It is restriction of the frame of debate to the basic assumption that the Peterson Foundation supports. If your inquiry were truly open as you claim it was, then the counter-narrative that there is no deficit/debt problem would have been considered by the campus network and a more objective survey and analysis of the views of millenials would have been done.
The New Deal isn’t distinguished from other American traditions by its commitment to open discussion of ideas, though it certainly treasured this principle. Its primary legacy, which makes it different from anything else, is its commitment to economic and social democracy and its recognition of human rights that go far beyond the political. The spirit, tradition, and legacy of the New Deal were well-expressed by FDR in his second Bill of Rights speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUL9tJmypI
To quote some of it:
FDR died, the War was won, and a slow counter-revolution to the New Deal, accelerating since 1976, set in. The second bill of rights was never achieved for the American people, and remains the unfinished business of the New Deal. How can the Institute and ND20 adopt any guiding purpose other than finishing this business and achieving the second bill of rights? How can it do anything else and still remain true to the New Deal?
I know that when I first became a reader at the ND20 web site, I went there because I thought it was keeping alive the New Deal legacy of achieving economic and social democracy. And so, I think the important question to ask about the Campus Network study relative to the tradition of RI is whether it reflected the perspective of achieving economic and social democracy and moving us closer to the economic bill of rights? Why doesn’t the Campus Network Budget proposal implement the second New Deal, and the Economic Bill of Rights?
I think the answer is pretty plain. In recognizing the existence of the deficit problem and subordinating the economic bill of rights to Peterson’s notion of fiscal sustainability, the study clearly takes the same side as the Hooverians in Roosevelt’s time who opposed visions like the second bill of rights and tried constantly to push balanced budgets on him.
Yes, I know that the Millennial fiscal report is much kinder to people than some of the other reports produced by Peterson’s engaged think tanks. But there’s no getting around the fact that the RI/ND20 fiscal plan produced by the campus network prioritizes a non-existent budget problem (http://bit.ly/iiKVoW http://bit.ly/dMPSPd http://bit.ly/fIgywy http://bit.ly/l8sgZH ) above all else, while Roosevelt was preparing to prioritize the second bill of rights above all else.
In short, the very idea of a long-term deficit reduction plan is anti-New Deal and anti-Rooseveltian, and to commit to developing such a plan without even considering whether doing so is a valid idea in the first place, is about as anti-new Deal as it gets.
As Randy Wray said elsewhere:
The dream may be over at ND20; but it is not over. It will never be over. As somebody once said, long after the New Deal passed:
“. . . the work goes on. The cause endures. The hope still lives. And the Dream shall never die.”
““. . . the work goes on. The cause endures. The hope still lives. And the Dream shall never die.”
Good work, Lets.
Lets,
A great comment. This comment could be the intro to a series here at the Lake addressing what we as Progressives would develop as the ND20 and Second Bill of Rights.
Great Comment.
The New Deal was not an exercise in consensus building–it was a NECESSARY CORRECTIVE in a society run off the side of a cliff by the “millenial” elite of its day.
Whereas the millenial generation at the Roosevelt Institute is all too eager to give it another push.
Alas, it seems that the Roosevelt Institute, having gotten what it wanted out of its cast of useful idiots, is now throwing them under the proverbial bus,insinuating that it did NOT effectively “lead the witnesses” and that their highly unpopular ideas are all their own:
“Over the course of 2010, we helped convene thousands of students to discuss the challenges facing the country–climate change, inequality, the recession, and the long-term structural deficit—without guiding their thinking.
Without guiding their thinking? I think the bureaucrats at Roosevelt need to get together on their stories! Because Hilary Doe, the business administrator who serves as “Millenial Director” begs to differ:
“We designed a forum for them, informed by their preferences, convened the working groups, providing research support for their ideas, and aggregated their preferences, but I can assure you that everything in the budget–each innovative idea, forward-looking vision for america, and hard fought compromise–was the result of the Millennials in our network.”
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/06/some-background-on-how-the-roosevelt-institute-got-into-bed-with-pete-peterson-the-enemy-of-social-security.html
Clearly Doe’s communique confirms that Roosevelt provided “forums” for the useful idiots, provided them with “research support” for the “ideas” the forums put in their heads, and then manipulated the results.
Nevertheless, it is also clear that if the audience is the progressive blogosphere, Doe is intent on insisting the unpopular policy choices are the choices of the useful idiots–the contradicting evidence coming out of her own mouth notwithstanding.
(I won’t comment on the Orwellian business-speak).
Okay, I can’t help myself.
I do also want to point out that Hilary Doe is the spitting image of my (almost) 9 year old niece. Seriously. Like they could be doppelgangers. It’s like my little 3rd grader is sitting right across the dinner table from me.
I have a philosophy about this. I’ll take ‘em young. And I’ll take ‘em stupid. But I won’t take ‘em young and stupid.
I agree with the commenter who said we should send the bill to their parents.
Oh, sorry. I meant to give the link:
http://www.rooseveltcampusnetwork.org/about-us/staff
klynn, I this is a wonderful suggestion. We really ought to pursue it. And I may do just that.
It was, in a way, an exercise in consensus-building, though not the kind of consensus-building we see so often today. In these exercises, people build consensus by getting various, though never all, stakeholder elites around a table, and then hammer out an agreement. the way Roosevelt built consensus was to go to the people, change the national outlook, “tax and tax, spend and spend, and elect and elect” as Harry Hopkins said. That’s what created the consensus on Social Security, unemployment insurance, Fair Labor Standards and other elements of the first New Deal, and what led Eisenhower to acknowledge that these measures were now part of the American fabric that Republicans should not try to mess with.
On April 28th 2010, a team of bloggers including lambertstrether, selise, DC Blogger, BDBlue, and hipparchia, organizing mainly through Correntewire, but partly through this community too, organized and held the Fiscal Sustainability Teach-In Counter-Conference at George University’s Marvin Conference Center in order to provide a counter-narrative to the first Peterson Fiscal Summit, held on the same day. Conference presentations, audios, videos, and transcripts are available here: http://www.netrootsmass.net/fiscal-sustainability-teach-in-and-counter-conference/
Transcipts are also available at Corrente: http://www.correntewire.com/mmtfiscal_sustainability_conference
The approach to fiscal sustainability and responsibility taken at the Teach-In was the MMT approach and speakers included Bill Mitchell, Stephanie Kelton, Warren Mosler, Marshall Auerback, Randy Wray and Pavlina Tcherneva
I mention this as background by way of pointing out that New Deal 2.0 supported the Teach-In extensively with Lynn Parramore contributing substantially to the success of the Conference, providing both blogging and promotional support. Lynn also enlisted the support of RI’s campus network in promoting the Conference and Hillary Doe, in particular provided invaluable support in trying to build interest. Since Hillary is coming in for so much criticism in connection with the PGPF fiasco, I think it’s only right to emphasize that she supported a distinctly anti-Peterson effort a little more than a year ago, and deserves much praise for that.