With the usual lack of reverence for life when dealing with the living, right wing hysteria directed against health care threatens our entire population, especially the young. On the verge of a flu epidemic that attacks the youth most viciously, the right wingers in town hall meetings are fighting frantically to beat back the health care we need.
The question of costs, most vocal in the teabagging population, is an artificial one. The other nations of the industrialized world have much better health, while the U.S. leads in infant mortality and general decrepitude of our population. The threat that the right wing sees to our youth is one of the pocketbook, obscuring the very real threat of illness and death from, for example, the flu epidemic that is imminent.
Our health care system depends on insured patients, and the U.S. family of working people often has too little, or none. The H1N1 virus has proved most deadly to the young, and colleges are at the beginning of massive flu outbreaks as student bodies return to classes.
Outbreaks among sports teams who came together in preseason are already sweeping the continent, and games are being canceled. This week saw the general student population gather, with outbreaks in that population already underway. There is no capacity to handle the situation, and no health care system ready for it.
In 18% of hospitals, registered nurses report that other nurses have become infected, and one California nurse has already died from H1N1 flu.
With a situation as dire as this one promises to become, what is our right wing doing? The extremists are fighting against health care under the flimsiest of excuses, most vociferously because of the threat of ‘takeover by government’ of a health care system that at the moment is dominated by profit at the expense of actual care.
Last night on Bill Moyers’ Journal, a deep look was given at the waste that predominates in a system that’s about to be called on to save lives while its major concern is preserving profits:
MAGGIE MAHAR: After World War II, while other countries let their government begin to intervene in health care to make sure everyone got care, to regulate it to make sure it was good care, in this country doctors very, very strongly opposed any government involvement or anyone being involved in telling a doctor what to do. After Medicare was passed in 1965, elderly patients were getting far more care than they had been before then.
Then that’s when our industrial medical complex, I would say, took off. By the early 70s, there were so much money involved that suddenly people began to say, "You know what? Medicine is too important to be managed by doctors. We all know doctors are bad managers. What we need are businessmen managing health care." And that’s when health care went from being physician centered and controlled, to a large degree, by doctors to being controlled by the corporation and the CEOs of those corporations.
And, over time, more and more the CEO of the Hospital would not even be somebody with a MD. He would be somebody with a MBA. And CEOs bent on growth, bent on higher quarterly earnings, quarter after quarter, and year after year, are always pushing for more sales, more revenues, more and more and more. It produces more. But more may not be better for our health.
DR. DONALD BERWICK: I’ve heard it said that the official bird of health care is a crane. Look around at any hospital in your community there’s a crane on top adding rooms. You know, we just, we overbuilt it. And then, having overbuilt it, we use it and then we think using it is necessary. It’s a spiral.
RASHI FEIN: The worst thing that could happen to a director of a hospital is that everybody, all of the sudden, would be healthy. I’m not saying that he’s overjoyed when there’s an epidemic. Clearly, he isn’t. I’m not saying that he’s overjoyed when people are sick. Clearly, they’re decent folks. But they’re running something where what they are selling is hospital beds.
MAGGIE MAHAR: If you can believe it, Rashi Fein has survived 5 decades of the battle for health care reform. In 1953 he served on President Truman’s commission on the health needs of America at a time when Truman was pushing for universal coverage. Then he worked with JFK when he fought unsuccessfully for Medicare, a battle that LBJ would later win. As a professor of medical economics at Harvard, Fein has never given up. He firmly believes that medicine should not be all about money. As he puts it, "We live in a society not just in an economy."
RASHI FEIN: Well, we spend more than any other country and we spend a higher percentage of our gross domestic product and our gross domestic product is larger than most other countries’. So we are spending per capita one heck of a lot more than anybody else, which ought to be disturbing, if only because there are lots of other things we could be doing with money. We could have more money for education or more money for infrastructure or more money for bridges and transportation or we could put money into high- speed trains or we could have tax cuts.
On the other hand somebody could say, "Well, we have chosen to spend money on health care and that’s also a good thing." True. But interestingly, disturbingly, frighteningly, pick your own word, we spend more money and we are not healthier. We don’t live longer. We don’t seem to be getting as much value for money.
LARRY CHURCHILL: It shouldn’t be any surprise that there is a huge disconnect between the amount of dollars that actually poured into health care and the health indicators of a population because this system was not designed to serve this end. That’s a fundamental realization that we need to come to. And until we do I think, you know, we’ll still be trying to tinker with the market in some kind of funny way. Just a little tweak or adjustment to make it work better, but it was never designed, actually, to meet health care needs.
The right wing has fought for decades against health care for this country, and they’ve had great success. Health for the U.S. is at a premium (pardon the pun), available only to the affluent. The premiums families pay are wasted in obscene executive salaries and equipment. Services are neglected for prevention, and are unaffordable to most when they are urgently needed.
Our youth are about to experience the effects of generations of obstruction to the well-being of this nation. The forces of the right must not be allowed to ‘bring it on’ in a fight against phantasms, when reality is about to take its toll on the whole country in the form of an epidemic that threatens to take the lives of, as well as beggar, huge numbers of the population.
It shouldn’t take a disaster of biblical proportions to wake the country up and inject some sanity into health care.



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As a timely Tribute to Ted Kennedy, let’s get the poor into our health care system;
Agreed
Posted this comment on a medical care thread last night. Am reading a history of the Ottoman Empire. Among other things I’ve learned is that defense of dysfunctional systems (because they’re invented here) is a sure sign of an empire in decline.
as long as you are citing Bill Moyers, please remember that he also said this week:
as cited at Greenwalds.
so while it is the easy path to project scorn on the tea-baggers or (R) congresspeople, the real roadblock between needed care for the youth of today, who are our future, is the leadership of the Democratic Party.
The real problem is the hysteria production by right wing teabaggers and Party of No enablers, tho the Democratic leaders haven’t fought hard enough against them. When their voters’ kids are in trouble, that’s going to look like the public disservice that we already know that it is.
teabagger hysteria did not make the Obama White House pick the Baucus Senate committee
to take point on writing its health insurance reform bill, that is ridiculous.
as Greenwald notes:
The picking of the committee writing the prospective bill from one committee is also not the cause of the public hysteria at health care meetings and disturbing the public. The Democratic leadership is being pushed too far from what should be its goals, that is true, but they are not the cause of the eruption of hysteria.
the hysteria is a sideshow. the teabggers are whacked out wingnuts who have no influence on the process, which is why I highlighted Obama/Emmanuel’s choice of the Baucus committee.
the Democratic leadership is not being pushed away from some idealistic plan by teabaggers, blue dogs or anything else.
Bill Moyers, who is approvingly cited up top, says much the same thing.
Agreed Whats the latest polling on the public option didn’t the numbers go up 1% in our favor despite all the proteabag coverage?
I’ll believe the tea baggers have popular support when they get the same crowds the Million Man March and the Immigration Rights marches got.
The fact they can’t get crowds that sized despite Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck two immigrant haters must really be embarrassing them.
I agree that we need to push, hard, to get health care, but if you’re listening to the town halls (CSpan is hard to take but everything is happening on camera), the lies are being heard, believed, and are scaring much of the public that attends them. I would rather that wasn’t so, but have seen too much of it to think otherwise. We need to provide the counterbalance, and be active in pushing our representatives – if we’re spending our energies fighting against the timid members of our own advocates instead of the Dark Side, that’s helping not one bit.
Bill Moyers doesn’t get everything right, though he certainly works harder than any of our media at getting to the facts.
Yes yes yes
There won’t be much left by the time the next election rolls around. Everyone but a very few are in denial about the death spiral of this economy. We are headed for a real complete collapse and paradigm shift.
H1N1 is not more a threat than any other flu. Some get it and get sick and die.
There are too many people on this planet and western medicine has bread super bugs by the OVER use of anti biotics. We are the cause of these weird diseases.
We are the cause of angry violent outbursts. We create a society where attention and violence have currency.
My son, aged 18, is covered under Medicaid. My brother is covered under Medicare. I’m not covered and my older son isn’t. Are we expendable?
I have talked to several people who get Medicare and they express fear that they won’t get their same good quality coverage if health care reform is passed.
Don’t they understand that people die from lack of coverage now? That my older son is just as deserving as they are of medical treatment?
People who are scared think of themselves first thats why the GOP is pushing fear. Ask these people if they think we could afford better coverage for everyone if we were out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
I doubt their coverage would suffer then.
Just what are the finances of the major sports teams? Who has the broadcast rights to the World Series this year traditional media could take a bath on their sports division’s this year. Add that to the expected low advertising this Christmas season and the networks better hope they got something good on tv for all the flu sick people to see.
The NFL makes wayyyyy more dough from TV than from the gate.
But do they have the cash to absorb a loss in gate revenue? If you are in debt and are expecting x amount of cash from the gate but x turns to zero you are in trouble. Given the losses in the market and the 36 to 1 leverage lots of financial players who are rich enough to own sports teams played with.
They might be forced to sell some teams at bargain prices.
Does tv, then, garner more financial sponsorships than the corporate owners? I don’t know. That’s why I’m asking.
Thanks for this.
And the swine flu not only threatens our population but populations all over the world who can’t manufacture Tammiflu because big pharma won’t share the patent … but that means there won’t be affordable medicine on hand in many countries to save lives. And big pharma doesn’t even seriously invest in the research, our tax dollars do going into universities, big pharma does the production and last round refinement but gets the big fat monetary benefits and WITHHOLDS that help from humanity .. screw the wishes of the original scientists and the welfare of the family of man. But what the hey… profit. Vendors needs at the expense of massive deaths.
And people speculate on “death panels” in the future. They are all around us. And they are supported by the people who are hysterical that they are coming from the left. Oy vey.
The GOP has no understanding of pocket books how much do American companies and private Citizens spend on healthcare? If we had cheaper medical and drug costs yes the Insurance and drug companies would suffer but all of that money would be returned to our economy.
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-…..-flu-in-us
There is a vaccine for swine flu coming hopefully it will work on the version of swine flu that hits America. Some years the flu vaccine doesn’t work on the version of flu that hits us.
Considering that nobody has any antibodies for this flu only natural resistance this could be bad.
Also isn’t the vaccine expected to be delivered after the flu has already hit us?
H1N1 vaccine is projected to be generally available in October. Yes, this is when flu season has usually begun, but it has Already broken out.
Ok I am not Pessimistic enough I will work on that I just bought some salt pork it was going to be my last pork before the swine flu hit.
Gang, this is what the end of an empire looks like.
Its wealth brings forth art and science developments, but its over reach undermines it.
We’re undermined big time.
If you eat none processed vegetarian diet, clean water, exercise you’ll be positioned to have a long and healthy life assuming your genes are OK and you don’t encounter some weird aggressive infections or virulent viruses.
And avoid people coughing on you during flu season.
I pretty much avoid people in general. I am courteous and friendly but most I meet I wouldn’t take home.
You’re different.
Me too, buddy. I love humanity. It’s people I can’t stand. But, still, I find myself inevitably trying to be nice to folks. It’s a conundrum.
Thanks:) I agree during flu season we should all try to go Vegan. Darwin might be culling the meat eating tea baggers who are fighting us on healthcare.
If because of Ted’s death we can’t get Healthcare passed now, a bad flu season it does not have to be a plague will help us pass a much better healthcare plan than we could now.
Some Tea Baggers with friends and relatives who died might switch over. The expected greater loss of tea bagger voters will give us relatively more strength than we have now.
Also the cost to the insurance industry of paying all those swine flu claims might send them hollering for Obama to bail them out.
After all they can’t deny or delay claims like they normally do with the media spotlight on healthcare. That and the insurance industry invests their cash in the market *cough* safe stocks like banks which have tanked.
I don’t think they can afford a plague right now. I don’t trust their books either.
I must respectfully disagree with you, and the CDC with respect to the “Swine Flu Pandemic”. linking H1N1 with national health care is also a mistake. It is hardly a “dire” situation, when you report one death from the Swine Flu 2009 version.
We have seen this before. Gerald Ford promoted vaccinating tens of millions of people in 1976. More people died from the shots than from the infection. Ford also lost the Presidential election. We should be concerned, vigilant and use science. Our privatized vaccinations-for-profit is also promoting hysteria. But the facts so far, this is a mild infection.
There is right wing hysteria of course. But there is justification for much of it. Pharmaceutical companies make enormous profits from their fear mongering. Remember the 2005 Bird Flu H5N1 which did not kill 2 million people. The use of neurotoxins, such as the mercury containing compound thimerosal in vaccines, is outrageous and should be prohibited. You do not need to believe H1N1 was created in a biowar lab. But Factory Farm Feedlots, also known as concentration camps for animals, will continue to breed new infections.
exactly,
drug company scare tactics.
And they “create” diseases too, I would imagine so that they can sell pills.
I do agree the privatized health care profits from keeping people ill. Either they get kicked out of the system, or they are required to follow the Insurance Company medical practices. Other alternative treatments are prohibited to the doctors and their patients.
A national health care system, not based on corporate profits, would let patients and doctors make their own decisions. It is the difference between being a consumer or patient. The present medical treatment system is an unsustainable disaster.
The most effective thing that access to healthcare can do with respect to H1N1 is encourage people to go see a doctor when they start to have symptoms. Because most people require a doctor’s note to get sick leave (or even FMLA leave), fewer people will go to work sick and spread the disease if they have access to medical care. Isolation in a pandemic is more important than vaccines, which is why there is not the push to vaccinate everyone that there was in the Ford effort.
The Bird Flu has been a problem elsewhere in the world, but the global system of tracking diseases has permitted enough isolation that it has not yet become the epidemic (H1N1 is projected to be a pandemic) that was predicted. Give some cheers for preventive measures–even in less-developed countries.
As a result of Bird Flu preparation and internet applications, most office employees in large organizations will likely be able to work from home if ill or if the workplace effectively should be closed to prevent the spread of the virus. Preparations and precautions for Bird Flu have not been a wasted effort.
I agree a vaccine given when the flu has already hit is of not much value unless you own stock in the company. But are they still using Mercury? Are they still planning on giving out Tamiflu even though resistant flu cases have already shown up in America?
Could the vaccine be worse than the cure? Are you saying they still have not fixed the problem?
This flu is likely to be worse than a regular flu year. It could destroy our pig and bird meat export industry. Odds that the vaccine could be worse than the disease? very good question.
Still this could be a bad flu year. Prepare for the worse and hope your wrong is my motto.
The threat that the right wing sees is to its ideology and future resurgence should effective real healthcare reform be passed. It feels existential to them because it is the end of the world of illusions that they constructed to seize power.
They could care less about youth except as they become the troops of a rightwing revival.
Exactly.
What happens to the American farmer if our pig and turkey export markets dry up because our meat gets infected with swine flu?
If we do a Bush and refuse to test our meat our meat exports disappear. The virus has spread to turkeys I assume Chicken is next.
Farmers, Butchers, and Restaurant workers need to get the vaccine. It sure would be nice if they also had free healthcare so if they were sick they could go to the Dr be identified and removed from the job before they have a chance to spread the disease.
The farm economy is being hit from loss of demand as a result of the Great Recession now. Something like this might make them a little less complacent about the role of government.
Low-wage service workers not just in food processing and restaurant work but also in healthcare are potential vectors and victims of diseases like H1N1. This is something the “I got mine, so screw you” crowd doesn’t consider.
I just wanted to tell you that I thought of you while on our camping trip, these last four days, at the beach, when my husband ended up with a huge wad of tar on his heel. True story.
Was he so stuck that you had to leave him behind?
Oh, hell no. :) We left the tar in the trash. Had to use charcoal lighter fluid, tho. Ewww. I wonder if our health insurance would have covered that. Still, on vacation, no one wants to sit in an emergency room. Actually, no one wants to do that ever. IIRC.
Agreed we need to get some media coverage on this point but the media is the classic I got mine screw you crowd.
Infections, such as flu, tend to be species specific. Frequently, human infectious diseases are mutated from animal diseases. The giant feed lots are notoriously cruel to the animals. They are also cruel to people when the crowded and unnatural conditions give us diseases. This seems to be the case for the Scary Swine Flu.
I am afraid that factory farm workers without healthcare will infect the pigs, turkeys etc and vice a versa the animals there are given tons of antibiotics which will result in antibiotic resistant flu which ok it seems we already have.
Due to the fact we don’t have a vaccine yet these workers will be treated with Tamiflu get better and go back to work killing pigs and turkeys the FDA will of course not keep track of these infected people much less order the testing and killing of infected animals until people die from eating infected food.
Then the FDA will take weeks to find the source and order a recall.
This is why I think the Swine Flu is so dangerous. Because we are unprepared, unorganized, and with no national healthcare have no network to identify sick people and isolate them.
Nope our workers keep working until they are to sick to work and then they go to the Dr infecting how many people in the mean time?
Ruth — congratulations on getting this diary front paged. Nice job.
I always find your comments intelligent and thoughtful.
Thanks very much.
What happens to the big processed food companies if America can’t sell pig, turkey, chicken meat? Another government bailout can we afford to save them?
I got tired of listening to my neo-con twin prattle on with all the right wing misstatements. We were raised Catholic but neither of us is particularly religious now. But I got so tired of his rant that I finally said, “Hey, that isn’t what Jesus would say! That is so non-Christian that I’m shocked. Shocked!” Stopped him in his tracks. I don’t know why there isn’t more of this kind of pushback against the phony Xtians spouting lies about health care for all.
Yeah the Good Smartian
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Les Leopold’s The Looting of America hosted by Cynthia Kouril
Getting reform passed would be easier if the Conservative party weren’t a bunch of bloodthirsty hounds.
Isn’t it a shame the very health care system we depend on and trust to keep us healthy and safe are infecting our communities with what used to be a hospital acquired infection. In Tennessee and Virginia it goes on and on and is called quality health care. When a flu bug and MRSA mix, there will be more deaths than AIDS ever caused but no one cares as long as the politicians and profit machines are raking it in.
http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 ( My father’s experience with MRSA )
How many more innocent people have to die before it’s worth anyone’s time to clean up our filthy health care system ?
I think by this you are referring to combined effects of both being transmitted through the medical care system.
If you are talking about genetically, see beth meacham’s comment above
Can’t happen. Influenza is a virus. MRSA is a bacterium. They can no more “mix” than skunks and poision ivy could.
Frank, there have been a lot more than one death from H1N1 in the US. As of August 28th, there have been 556 deaths in the US, from 8843 hospitalizations. CDC update page.
I suppose we can believe the CDC. They have been correct so often. But one fatality was mentioned in the post. How does 556 compare to the estimated 30,000 or so flu fatalities in the US. This is about 8% of hospitalizations compared to total infections. The post also mentioned this is most deadly to young people without any evidence. I am just saying the CDC, FDA and EPA over the years have worked for the health of corporations. People are justified to reject the corporate crap they want us to put in our bodies. Since they secretly put thimerosal in vaccines with government approval, they have given up all credibility. We always have the right to say NO!
Thanks but it’s about young people and there is a new form going straight to the lungs;
“DOCTORS are reporting a severe form of the Influenza A (H1N1) that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organisation (WHO) said….Meanwhile, the world’s top health official said in an interview that appeared on Saturday that H1N1 spreads four times faster than other viruses and 40 per cent of the fatalities are young adults in good health.”
http://www.straitstimes.com/Br…..23202.html
Thanks as always, Peasant Party.
Biblical disasters were used by God to make people wake the hell up and start doing things right. I believe that’s what they’re there for.
And since it seems that even the efforts of the greatest of men- God bless you, Senator Kennedy, and rest in peace- cannot bring this country around to protecting its own people, then that’s what it will take to wake people up. A disaster.
Should it be this way? No. Does it have to be this way? I’m leaning yes.
Ruth,
As always you win the gold star of meaningful journalism. I cannot commend you enough. You always bring insightful, fact based informational pieces to every venue you participate in.
Now, for my snark report: This Health Care business the republicans are fighting for is the same “Service Industry Economy” they helped Bush create. If America produces nothing, it is not a global trading partner. The country is simply a consumer when there is nothing of meaning being produced. The Health Insurance Industry knows this and their lives depend on Americans being too dumb to realize they don’t have enough work to pay for Mafia style protection. This, my friend is part of the major scare factor. Not to mention the Dick Armey army of paid protesters.
Oh for the love of sweet baby Cthulhu…
H1N1 is a flu, nothing more. Are we really going to freak out over 556 deaths from this particular flu in a single year, when on average, 36 THOUSAND PEOPLE die in this country each year from regular flu?
Assuming only ten times that number die this winter we would be getting off *extremely* lucky.
My great-grandfather lost his entire family, including wife and kids, in the 1918 flu pandemic. (Obviously he remarried later) If you want to see what a real flu disaster looks like, punch that into your google. This? This is nothing. In some ways this flu is better to have circulating than the more common varieties:
Source: The CDC
So in other words, this flu is easier on the older population, who are most vulnerable to regular flus. It isn’t necessarily that young people are hit *harder* as that old people, who have antibodies to a flu that circulated decades ago, are hit *less*. That also puts a big smoking hole in the ‘this is a brand new disease stalking the earth’ theory; something vaguely similar must have circulated, and some time ago too.
Me, I’m 27 years old and healthy. I’d rather take the risk and have H1N1 be the dominant strain this year, let my grandmother have a break.
Also, can we please stop with the thimerosol conspiracy theories already? Thimerosol was put into vaccines as a preservative, because in the early days of vaccines they didn’t use preservatives, and people died from contaminated shots. It’s hardly a nefarious plot, and it wasn’t in that many vaccines to begin with (only multi-use vaccines).
The original ’scientist’ who found the supposed link between thimerosol and autism has been exposed as a fraud who fabricated his data, his work disowned by The Lancet, and the link disproved by numerous large studies. Plus, it hasn’t been in any of your normal US childhood vaccines since 2001, yet autism rates continue to climb!
A nice summary of the evidence in the thimerosol controversy can be read at Discover Magazine here.
definitely wrong on at least one point, questionable on a few others.
thimerosol is still present in many vaccines – the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University has the numbers:
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
this data is from 2006-2008.
Every administration is confronted with an unplanned for catastrophe. I’m afraid, that for Obama, the upcoming H1N1-flavored flu season might become his Hurricane Katrina. If, GOD forbid, a significantly higher number of Americans, just in the scores of thousands, not millions, should die, the press will rip apart this administration for not controlling the situation. One way to control the situation is by removing the economic barrier to preventive examination and treatment.
We must attack this fallacy perpetuated by the right about universal healthcare causes healthcare rationing. Every day in this country, economic rationing of healthcare goes on. Will someone on our side please learn to tell this simple story to the the middle majority. We want to end unfair economic rationing of healthcare services in this country. Like, water, and energy for heat in the winter, in a first world nation, healthcare services is a moral imperative for individuals.
If we keep saying it over and over, maybe the truth will be as persuasive as the heavily financed lies. I hope so.
just wait til the recently released h1n1 firmware upgrade gets rolling