War isn’t a prospect that our forefathers took lightly, which is why they made it an act that was hard for the nation to commit. That was Bill Moyers’ point last night in his essay, a reflection on the Constitution. Constitutional powers, so carefully and democratically written, would have protected the country from mistakes we now suffer.
As Moyers pointed out, the authors of our Constitution had experienced war, and wrote knowledge beyond the experience of our present-day war presidents into the laws meant to keep this country viable. Failure of the country’s basic duty to its people has resulted from ignoring the law, a failure the founders anticipated. The government of the United States was the first democracy; thought from brilliant minds made the laws that would have kept it functional. It was not meant to fail, as it has when war presidents have failed to follow that well-wrought Constitution that they had sworn to protect and defend.
On Tuesday night President Obama took pains to say Afghanistan is not Vietnam, and of course he’s right. But war is war, no matter where or when it’s fought. Because its costs are great and its consequences unpredictable, the men who wrote our Constitution were determined to make it hard to go to war except to defend ourselves and our liberty.
Although long abandoned, such constraint deserves more respect than it gets. And in this regard, Afghanistan, along with Iraq, is like Vietnam. Almost unilaterally – with only a fig-leaf of Congressional approval – Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, both Bushes, and now Barack Obama committed us to costly wars far removed from the rationale of self-defense set forth by those delegates to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787.
Our founders knew too well the habits of European kings who went to war at the drop of a royal hat or for the lust of a royal heart. Matters of life and death, they argued, should never be so easily decided by one man. In the now quaint but still elegant language of their day, they understood – and these are the words of James Madison – that: "In war, the public treasures are to be unlocked; and it is the executive hand which is to dispense them." But that was not a good idea, Madison said. Such a mixture of powers would be a temptation "too great for any one man." Even a good man, of good intentions. Madison worried that: "The strongest passions and most dangerous weaknesses of the human breast; ambition, avarice, vanity, the honorable or venial love of fame, are all in conspiracy against the desire and duty of peace."
They were not naïve, our founders. The question of war was no theoretical exercise for them. The new republic was threatened on all sides. Its young government had to be able to defend itself; the new chief executive – not a king but a president – would need, at times, to act quickly and decisively. So the founders debated the question vigorously. Where do we vest the power of war?
Charles Pinckney of South Carolina wanted to give it to the Senate alone. Pierce Butler, also of South Carolina, wanted to vest it in the President, quote, "who will have all the requisite qualities and will not make war but when the Nation will support it." That idea brought Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts to his feet, shocked: "I never expected to hear in a republic a motion to empower the executive alone to declare war." And George Mason of Virginia agreed. "I am against giving the power of war to the executive," Mason said, "because he is not safely to be trusted with it — or to the Senate [...] I am," he said, "for clogging rather than facilitating war."
In the end the delegates compromised, as usual, with an eye to checks-and-balances. They gave Congress the power to declare war legally, but left the President free to repel sudden attacks. The delegate from Connecticut, Oliver Ellsworth, summed up their collective wisdom when he said, "It should be more easy to get out of war than into it."
How far we’ve come.
Moyers is one of the few close observers of the country’s working who’s never disappointed those of us who share his years along with his belief in a nation of laws. He’s stood up by firmly and fearlessly persisting in examining those who violate our laws and high standards.
We have all too much material to reflect on when it comes to writing about, and regretting, those failures of our country’s promise. The liberal viewpoint that prevailed in our country’s birth insisted that the people were their government’s real concern. We’ve strayed much too far away from that precept, and the country has only just survived the most recent excesses of corrupt administration by a falsely sworn president. How far we’ve come, indeed.



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If only those who actually run our country had half the sense as this journalist.
It seems that the continuing demeaning of ‘effete intellectuals’ – as Agnew’s writers put it – has had too much the desired effect, to keep the public from voting in intellectually qualified legislators. We have a few, but not nearly enough.
That would be the effete Bill Safire, no?
Safire was one of several creators of the anti-intellectual posturings of VP Agnew, who was almost as big a disgrace as Darth.
talk about nattering nabobs…
A natteringly good reply.
Thank you, Ruth, and thank you, Bill Moyers. Beautifully said.
It is, given the current Party-strangled U.S. Congress, and in an absolute inversion of the wise Constitutional design intended to make it “more easy to get out of war than into it”, today instead demonstrably more easy for this nation to get into war than out of it.
The question now may be: Since our Judicial Branch has long abdicated its vital checking role and responsibility in this area by refusing to entertain challenges to the war powers exercised by one or both of the elected branches (“elected,” that is, for the two at the top of the most sprawling branch, plus Congress) – aka, in a specious turn of phrase designed to duck the whole issue, the judiciary’s “Political Branch” Doctrine – why, then, hasn’t there been, and when will there be even one court challenge to this inversion of the Constitution’s war powers filed by a sitting Member of Congress – since incumbent legislators are apparently the only ones anymore with a prayer of receiving standing for such a challenge in the courts?
The grossly-irresponsible delegation by Congress to the President via AUMF in 2002 of the decision about whether to invade Iraq is ripe pickings all on its own for such a challenge – of which I know of only one such, not brought by Members of Congress, that was filed in 2008 and quickly dismissed this past May, by a federal district judge in NJ:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/judge_dismisses_rutgers_lawsui.html
http://howappealing.law.com/NJPAvsObamaDNJopinion.pdf
Thanks for that, and for the suit info. When the cost of war is borne entirely by those outside the corridors of power, there isn’t enough push to set things right and return to the bases of our laws. That seems like a good argument for return to drafting all, equally, to wage our wars, if leaders want to drag us into wars.
Before we go to war everyone in Congress and the President should either have to volunteer to go or submit the name of a family member to go as their proxy.
It’s not a hard decision to go to war when you are the ones who declare. The hard decision is made by those who have to go and do the fighting.
Agreed, and the costs of war that grandchildren of those of us who protested, and those who didn’t, will have to bear unfortunately loom, but loom too far off, to be the factor they should be, against throwing troops at our problems by those disinclined to the ‘hard work’ of governing.
Of course, most of the grandchildren of those who most support the war want to assure they don’t ever have to pay anything by repealing the estate tax.
After all, it’s their duty to all of us who weren’t born on third base to continue to believe that only those born on third base have anything at all and if we had any worth, we would have been born rich like them.
An original concept of democracy was that power should not be held by those who inherited rather than earned their fortunes. The estate tax was one instrument to ensure that healthy condition would be continued. Ending it is very much to the benefit of those whose abilities are not sufficient to their ambitions.
I think that’s an excellent perspective we need to hear much more. Too many of us assume that we’ll win the lottery and, thus, tend too readily to agree with the moneyed class and against our own economic interest.
The estate tax is not just about raising money. It does that and the federal budget desperately needs it. It is about avoiding rule by a moneyed nobility, whose coffers are filled with money made generations ago, and who, like Bush, rule without the knowledge or experience that comes with making it or getting by without it. It is as essential a tool of democracy, though once or twice removed in effect, as the vote.
Indeed, the worst administration of the worst president irrevocably shows the founding fathers knew what they were doing – to put obstacles in the way of dynasties that promoted those who had no ability, no perception of nobility, no guiding principles, but who were promoted to serve the purposes of those wanting to put the country in bondage – to their dynasty.
Excellent article, Ruth. What so many people don’t understand today, is that the Founders intended for the States to give permission to “declare war” through the US Senate. This was one of many “checks” that the people (through their States) had over the President. When the 17th Amendment was passed, the Senators no longer represented the States, but instead, special interests. So this vital “check” on the government was essentially lost.
What should have been done to preserve this “check” was to simultaneously transfer the authority to declare war and ratify international treaties over to the State legislatures (at least 2/3, but preferably 3/4 must approve). This would ensure that the people could have a voice in committing our troops to war.
The Founders also made it clear that the federal military was to be used ONLY to protect our country from foreign attack/threats. It was NOT to be used for nation building, or for fighting other countries’ wars for them :(.
I think we’d be a little more circumspect about war if we thought there was any chance in hell we could LOSE. We’re so impressed with our military might, we can attack and bomb nations indiscriminately without fear of retribution. But we DON’T let ourselves face the costs to our nation in terms of national treasure, the future of our nation, or the toll military service is taking on servicemembers. And that’s what’s going to doom us: arrogance and denial.
Morally, ethically, there are all sorts of reasons why we ought not indulge in war. But pragmatically and practically we should also avoid it because it’s going to screw us up sometime soon. But too many Cheney’s are making too much money to let anyone actually examine that notion.
Disagree that we have won wars such as Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. We have thrown a lot of lives and wealth down a deep, dark hole, instead.
Turning every country that disagrees with us into black glass, nuclear wastelands, although something guaranteed to give some folks a chubby, is not a viable option.
And with all of our military might otherwise, we can not win against an insurgency in any other fashion and probably not then. It was a lesson we actually knew back around 1776 – 1783.
“If you can face victory and defeat
and treat those two imposter’s just the same”
R Kipling
“You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,” said the American colonel.
The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. “That may be so,” he replied, “but it is also irrelevant.”
U.S. military failure to understand the battle they had before them in Vietnam probably gave Osama bin Laden very good guidance toward how to draw us in and to seriously damage this country.
Osama didn’t do this. He never admitted to being behind 9/11 and the FBI never charged him with this crime.
The CIA created AQ as an excuse and distraction.
We don’t know who did 9/11. We know it wasn’t 19 hijackers with box cutters.
The call which this information was contained in never happened. This is the finding of the FBI which contradicts the 9/11 commission.
We were lied to about 9/11.
there you go with that We shit again.
I am so sorry he is retiring.
His like, with deep experience in actual governing, as well as a commitment to a nation of laws, will be hard to find again.
I wonder if Kipling was thinking of his son Jack.
If any question why we died,
Tell them because our fathers lied.
Rudyard Kipling
What a heartwrenching discovery for some one who loves his country anyway.
yea, I wonder what the timing was
Now it is not good
For the Christian’s health
To hustle the Aryan brown,
For the Christian riles
And the Aryan smiles
And he wearth the Christian down;
And the end of the fight
Is tombstone white
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear,
“A fool lies here
Who tried to hustle the East.”
Nattering, dithering … funny how discussion of issues has a sound that irritates the anti-intellectual crew.
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Mark Kleiman’s When Brute Force Fails hosted by bmaz
The AVF, I should thing, goes a long way toward incentivizing militarism; or at least to the capacity for prolonged conflict.
and there are about 12 variations of this on the wiki
Go tell the Spartans, thou who passest by,
That here, obedient to their laws, we lie.
Now I have to tell about a friend who worked for Booz Allen when it consulted with the S. Vietnamese gov’t to make that gov’t work better. They concluded that a gov’t could not work if it were run by S. Vietnamese. yeh, amazing the number of cultural problems involved there.
They gave us this crazy “training” program before we left that amounted to, “don’t think there is anything funny when the men hold hands”!
Training programs run by those badly in need of some understanding of the culture they were trying to submerge in our culture. It IS a bug.
Aimed at kids who, due to project 100,000, who largely had little chance of understanding much.
In all, 354,000 volunteered for Project 100,000. The minimum passing score on the armed forces qualification test had been 31 out of 100. Under McNamara’s Project 100,000, those who scored as low as 10 were taken if they lived in a designated “poverty area.” In 1969, out of 120 Marine Corps volunteers from Oakland, California, nearly 90 percent scored under 31; more than 70 percent were black or Mexican. Overall, 41 percent of Project 100,000 volunteers were black, compared to 12 percent of the rest of the armed forces. Touted as providing “rehabilitation,” remedial education, and an escape from poverty, the program offered a one-way ticket to Vietnam, where these men fought and died in disproportionate numbers. The much-advertised skills were seldom taught.
I will have to tell you about a friend, with a doctorate in library sciences, who escaped from behind the iron curtain – with her infant son. When he grew up he loved this country and volunteered to serve. You know what happened, new arrivals were sent to the front by combat hardened vets, and he was killed the second day in Vietnam.
And now I have to go some other things, because that has always made me cry. She gave my son some of her son’s old toys.
I’m sorry about her loss. I can only wonder what my old man felt when I came home from Korea and volunteered to go to Vietnam. He thought I was in the clear but, as a brilliant 19 year old, I had other ideas.
He will surely be missed. Call me crazy, but I would truly love to see him replaced by Henry Rollins. He’s our age. he’s well educated, well read, well travelled. Heart in the right place? Check! Thoughts?
Hmm. I have to admit I’m not sure who “he” is?
He = Moyers (I think this was his last show or one of the last as he’s retiring)
Unless you mean Henry Rollins at which “never mind” comes in to play. (Rollins is a singer/songwriter/actor/semi-pundit. He’s had a talk show on I think Sundance channel
Whoa, I lost track of the actual topic of the thread. . .that’s never happened before. Especially during the SEC championship game. I’ll pull for Henry since Sid Vicious is busy.
Who’s winning?
Tide 26-13 6:28 in the 3d.
Interesting choice, not someone who popped into my mind for this question, but…
I contend you can’t amend the constitution with an act, which is the argument isn’t it ?
The patriot act, AUMF are superfine BullShit.
Let’s pass an act to change from two Senators a state to a system that awards Senators according to % of population.
Y’know, it seems to me the point has been reached where our so-called “representatives” no longer represent us at all. So, my question is why we continue to simply watch them do this to us. I mean. look at what they are doing with the Constitution even now. They pass ex post facto laws immunizing themselves retroactively from prosecution and they use legislation to force us into paying direct taxes to insurance companies while they stand openly, palms outstretched, waiting to be payed by these same companies. Then, they extol the virtues of a new act designed to give the financial industry what is left of your paycheck after the military-industrial complex is finished collecting their slice of the pie. They have grown so arrogant they don’t even bother to hide it in most instances. I wish I could say Obama changed this, but the evidence seems to indicate his is just business as always. It won’t change until private money is removed from the equation, and that won’t happen until the good citizens of this country rise up on their hind legs and demand it unequivocally. Remember, it took a minor revolution in the 60s to bring about a significant change to the “social order.” Maybe a revolution, of sorts, is needed now.
If you have about three months Read “Nixonland” to study that “significant change”. . .not so pretty.
Who ever said meaningful change was pretty. I’m reasonably sure Gandhi or ML King would be the first to say that change is never pretty. Just ask the students at Kent State. They could speak volumes. if they could speak at all.
Yea, well my point is that I’m not sure exactly what change you are talking about? We’ve had what, 12 years of Bush’s and 8 of Saint Ronnie.
Yes, and we are now starting on 4 years of Bush-lite from the looks of it. I am simply saying that at some point we need to realize that intervention may be the only way of changing things in favor of the us, the poor schmucks that end up paying for a disproportionate amount of the national debt. This intervention doesn’t have to be violent. It can be as simple as enough people deciding to hold an active denial of tax money payed out to the government. That is just one way of carrying out a non-violent intervention or protest. Look at the methodology useds in the south as well as how it worked in Asia to free the Indian people from Britain’s yoke. It wasn’t pretty; it was just effective.
Those poor schmucks will probably be the ones that get killed in an “intervention”. The intellegensia is good at starting shit but usually long gone when the bullets fly.
Is that to suggest we are not dying now? Almost 47,000 of us expiring as a result of no adequate health-care, over 58,000 American dead as a result of Vietnam, and 5,000-plus in the Middle East at present. Where do we start counting the casualties of the class-warfare taking place in this country even as you and I sit here debating this issue?
As for the intelligentsia, I don’t speculate about what they may do, I’m one of the “poor schmucks” just trying to get through it all.
I’m too old for this shit, see ya. Oh, skip the lectures about the 60′s pal.
Hans Morgenthau:
“Is it really a boon to the prestige of the most powerful nation on earth to be bogged down in a war which it is neither able to win nor can afford to lose? This is the real issue which is presented by the argument of prestige.”
That was referring to Vietnam. Other arguments centered around the vital security issues involved in staying in Vietnam and squandering the lives of 58,000+ American forces. Obama used that phrase “vital security issues” in his escalation speech Tuesday along with invoking the sacred mantra of 9/11.
Just as in Vietnam we are supporting a weak corrupt regime members of which are actively engaged in the heroin trade and whose president was “elected” in a classic one-man election. Obama says we must honor the commitment we made to this government to help it get ready to stand on its own in 18 months. Never gonna happen and everyone knows it.
Time to start pressuring congress to withhold funds to bring this criminal war to an end.
Our law makers talk about the Constitution more than the rest of us, all while doing everthing they can to get around it.
It also wanted them to be citizen representatives not political hacks, and for them to serve short terms, not make it a life time job.
They could not do all this without the peoples help that vote for them, re-elct them, and support them.