Did you once want a big, impressive house, an expansive piece of property, a front porch with pillars, like Tara in Gone With The Wind? I remember when that was a convention, it was assumed everyone wanted those marks of success.
Times have changed or we have, it’s become more a sign of bad choices to have those McMansion trappings, for me and almost everyone I know. Sometimes it was a reduction in circumstances, quite the coming thing among those of us still trying to make it in a workplace that supports a rational lifestyle.
For me, it was about having my own place and reducing the amount I take care of. Of course, the days when I had kids at home were different, and I needed to give them a place with room to move around in without bumping into each other, or so I thought. Now I’ll be switched if I’m going to dust and vacuum and generally play second fiddle to Stuff. That doesn’t apply to the outdoors, I do like having lots of green growing things, and a garden. However, I don’t go psycho for a showplace lawn. I only water to keep veggies and trees from dying, and let the lawn go when there’s serious drought.
How have your needs for space changed? Did you go to a big house or small one, as your family and needs changed over time? Do you xeriscape?
Of course, growing up with a yen for a richer style, on farms, my parents felt good about themselves when they got a big, elaborate, two-story house, a common ambition in their time. Generations before ours were geared to ‘be the first in the block’ and get the biggest, most expensive, Stuff.
We have mostly grown up learning that our world doesn’t accommodate the kind of waste our parents considered part of success. Realism has been hard won, and we’ve got serious problems of lifestyle, infrastructure and climate change that we need to make up for. We recycle and turn down the thermostat on the heater, cut our use of packaging and synthetics. I am buying actual veggies and meat more than I buy frozen meals and pre-made meals, even though I’m single – make a big pot of stuff and package it for later, myself. Let me bore you with descriptions of my favorite lasagne for the decade!
Have you made lifestyle changes to make the world a more viable place?
At the moment, I’m in the process of throwing out things that no longer are needed, as I’ve been able to retire and don’t have to dress for success, thankyou. Selling things off is in my near future, and I’m wavering between garage sale and online selling. That’s something I never have done, and would love to know if you’ve learned how to work those systems.
My place is small, and feeling like a bit much even at that, as many of you have experienced. My, how times have changed since the sixties, when desirable lifestyle was measured like carpeting, by the square foot.





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Hey ya, Ruth.
Good morning and what a great way to talk about life changes and attitude changes.
Good morning Ruth! Nice stuff for thinking this morning. I am in a house I love, bought 9 years ago when my career took me here. It is probably much larger than I need, but definitely not a McMansion. I’ve spoken here many times about my screened porch in the woods where I spend hours in the summer.
I retired in August 2010 and spent the fall and winter getting rid of all of the work clothing I would no longer need. I kept a few things (there are still some places one cannot go in jeans and t-shirts), but I rarely wear any of them.
I do buy and sell sometimes on eBay, but it depends on the item and whether I think it will have any sales appeal or whether I want to be bothered. For example, I found a wonderful new set of everyday dishes at TJ Maxx, and wanted to get rid of my 20-year-old dishes, intact except for tiny chips on the bottom of a single plate. But I didn’t want to deal with packing all of the fragile items for shipping, so after an ad on Craigslist with no takers, I donated the set to Goodwill.
Morning Ruth, nice topic.
I need to keep learning over and over again that I don’t own stuff, stuff owns me.
I have lived in many a one room, then had houses, then had little motor homes and campers, recently a big house again that was cheap and needed work. But taking care of the big house, big yard sets me longing for the little camper of yore. I’ve planted a dozen fruit trees, dozen or so tomato plants and other veggies. I know how to live on a small carbon footprint, and about ready to do it again. Maybe a sailboat this time.
Good morning, pups.
Just a reminder, this was the Tara of Gone With The Wind;
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12900000/Tara-gone-with-the-wind-12962205-300-273.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/gone-with-the-wind/images/12962205/title&h=273&w=300&sz=40&tbnid=hijcZyoSudnIhM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=99&zoom=1&docid=Z3OxDHj31OJ7aM&sa=X&ei=dWmJT_ziN4rC2wWTuIC0CQ&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAw&dur=1419
My needs are very simple. It’s just my cat and I after all so my one bedroom apartment, while not my ideal home, is comfortable and functional enough. I keep saying that if I can ever afford my dream home, it wouldn’t look like anybody else’ dream home. Mine would have an attached tower with an office in top that has a 360 degree view and at least a 12″ telescope because I’ve always wanted a telescope powerful enough to resolve the discs of our neighboring planets. The rest of the home meanwhile would be small, functional and easy to maintain and clean.
Good morning.
Thanks! It found me, I didn’t find it.
Wonderful, and getting rid of stuff isn’t a big problem, but I did take some altogether new stuff to a second hand store, and they were rejected. The high end market there really was a shocker.
Great idea, a sailboat always looked like a great home to me. Also, treehouses.
Yeah, I was never into that Greek inspired, antebellum, columned porch look for myself, though some of those homes were/are quite beautiful. I have an ancient photographic essay book of old antebellum mansions along the Mississippi and those people went all out. I never got the need for ostentatious displays like that. Of course those people never maintained their own homes but that kind of thing strikes me as something that I’d neve5r be able to really enjoy while I spent all of my time trying to clean, maintain and decorate such a space.
I love it when it works that way. It’s like, you open yourself up to the universe and the right and true answers find you.
I think people know that I live in a manufactured house. It’s 1500 square feet with a garage that was built on site. It’s a good size for the three of us and probably a bit too much for when there’ll only be two of us. It’s got a huge kitchen with a breakfast area with 5 nice bay windows. I fell in love with the kitchen when we first looked at the house. Now, I have to admit, it’s probably more kitchen than I need. If/when the economy turns around and we can sell this one, I’d love to buy another manufactured house and put it on land that I would own. I’d go much smaller next time.
Absolutely, I’ve always wanted a place on the roof or higher for great views. And sunsets are a big thing with me.
As a child, I did insist I would never own that much porch area to sweep ever again. Definitely, the mansion was not meant to be maintained by the lady of the house.
I’m still into my house. It’s the house I grew up in and moved back into when my father passed away. My mother called and asked me to come back cuz she couldn’t afford it on her own. Eventually, we converted the garage and a small addition into a mother-in-law’s suite. My sister lives next door to the south, my brother lives a few houses away to the west and my niece just bought a house across the street. My father put a pool in when our children were young with the understanding that it was the ‘family’ pool. My sister, brother and I paid for the pool and continue to share the expense. This is all odd, I know, but it works for us and I can’t imagine ever leaving this house. Eventually, I’ll move into the added apartment and one of my children will take over the house. The house isn’t a mcmansion or anything close, but the location is what makes it great.
This electronic age gives us an opportunity to live materially and energially (new word eh?) small. The telephone/computer combination allows us to eliminate physical books, bookshelves, newspapers, photos, personal records, stamps and envelopes etc. Even the libraries are available on line. What I find I don’t want or need anymore is fun to discover.
Go ahead….bore me. I made my first lasagna for Easter dinner and, while it was ok, I’d love to hear about making a better lasagna.
Manufactured homes are designed to be durable, and that’s about right for most families/people. They’re hard to tell from individually built, from my experience.
Family enclave sounds lovely. It makes things much easier on everyone, I suspect, help is at hand.
Good morning,
I’d love to talk but there’s a yard to mow, storm damage from Halloween freak snow storm, to clean up, barn overhang support beam to replace and a blueberry bush to plant. This place owns us but that’s the way we like it .
Enjoy your weekend if not buried in paperwork for our Uncle’s April fools prank.
I visited old friends near Traverse City, MI a couple of summers ago. Their manufactured house is quite large with several bedrooms to accommodate grown kids who return to visit, and it’s much more architecturally interesting than was my previous notion of a manufactured house. In some ways I understand they are sometimes more well constructed than stick-built houses.
I designed and built my own house from plans I drew up on my Mac (my builder took them to an architect to be turned into something he could work from). That was a really great experience, but it turns out that I like this house better.
Dawns too! Texas has always been my home except when I was in the service but I think my dream home would have to be in New Mexico or Colorado. I’ve given up on my home state. The haters and bigots are just too entrenched and I’m really tired of tilting at that particular windmill. After a lot of letter writing and face to face meetings, I finally got a voluntary recycling program started here at the apartments I live in but people just use the recycling can as an overflow for when the dumpster is full. I just want a home among like minded people that’s not north of about 35°N latitude.
Oh, yes. Can you tell this one is a modular home?
http://www.altamonthomes.com/ (And, no, that’s not my house, but I chose that one as an example.)
And, they are super well insulated. We have double paned glass in all the windows. Stays pretty cool during the summer. Of course, when it gets to be 115, all bets are off. :)
Whenever I want to get rid of something that has little or no value, I put it on the side of the road. Poof, in a matter of hours it’ll be gone. Mostly, I’m talking about furniture, though.
I’m not giving up my books or photos to a computer, but I hear ya.
I’m not ready, (or willing) to give up printed books. While a computer or Kindle is much more paper friendly than a printed book, you have to have electricity to run them and that leaves you pretty screwed if/when the power goes out.
Not to be gruesome, but I also think about not leaving a huge chore for my kids to deal with after I’m gone. So I’ve tried to eliminate extra stuff I will never use again so they don’t have to deal with it. I remember what my sister and I went through when our Dad died and Mother had to go to assisted living (and they didn’t have a large house, but didn’t throw anything away!), so I don’t want to do that to my kids.
At one time a bunch of friends that included me had competitions in lasagne making, and found that working from fresh real ingredients was the best. Whatever recipe you follow, make sure you go for the real stuff.
What I love about this house up on sticks is the covered deck about 40 by 12 across the front. No Mosquitoes. Most of the other houses around me are on the ground so I have a peaky view of the bay. And the whole underneath is garage for my 4 bikes power tools and STUFF that will be hard to release at triage time.
Good morning, folks.
Back in the 1970s, I would have loved a fairly sizeable dome with a stained-glass window, sitting toward a mountaintop. Yeah. Zeitgeist.
By the mid-1970s, I was looking for a historic building (cheap) to fix up. One that struck my fancy was a large brick country store in a town that had essentially disappeared as people moved into larger towns and cities.
By the 1980s, I lived in a variety of rental houses and townhouses. Finally at the age of 49, I bought my first property, a townhouse in the woods. The HOA owns a pool and the shaded road to the pool makes a nice walk. We are in walking distance of countryside and NC game land (wear blaze orange in the fall).
I just want a home among like minded people that’s not north of about 35°N latitude.
Oh, amen sister! Back to the old FDL commune idea.
I always thought it would be fun to design a large house where the common areas, LR, DR and kitchen would be in the middle as a hub, with halls attached to individual living quarters, like a single apartment. People could hang together in the main areas, or if they were in the mood for privacy, they could just stay in their own areas.
I couldn’t do that here, the HOA would have a FIT. But there is a Goodwill donation site not far away, and I take home improvement things I no longer want to a Habitat ReStore. They will even take leftover paint as long as there’s more than 1/2 gallon.
What happened to the country store, THD?
I order nearly all of my books to read on my iPad. 7 hour battery life means that mostly I don’t have to worry about the power going out. I’m a lifelong reader, but I’m not particularly attached to paper books.
I know several people like us, who are living in a place full of haters and no longer feel comfortable, or want to contribute to it.
Can we go OT for a second? It’s not really politics but this Cory Booker story is so full of holes and I can’t find anything on the net to answer my questions.
Why didn’t the woman try to save herself since she was awake? No window in the bedroom to jump out of? Why did he have to sling her over his shoulder? She an invalid? Every thing being written is about what a hero he is but, to me, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. Who the hell runs into a burning house when you don’t even know if anyone’s inside?
I would just never move into an area with an HOA or sign anything agreeing to be subject to their capricious whims and changing alliances. Your neighbor gets pissed at you because you have to leave for work too early to suit him/her and if that neighbor has a friend on the HOA board, bam! Things get really complicated, really fast.
I actually visited a home like that in Massachusetts years ago. I think it was designed for only two families, but it was part of a specific “movement” (the name of which I’ve long forgotten). There was a lot of privacy for each individual family unit, but a nice shared living area too.
A Bucky dome? Driving through W.TX. there are many towns like the one you describe, with old abandoned sturdy brick buildings just asking to be fixed up again.
Alan and I sat down and designed a house on time that would suit that purpose and it was based on the traditional hacienda, with an entire wing devoted to guests, (Alan could really use that!). I’d love to build that house.
Bucky home dome;
http://fullerdomehome.org/
For the first time in my life, I’ve actually been afraid of some of the people around me. And none of them are brown. Not one.
That’s not gruesome, that’s extremely considerate of you.
I cleaned out my dresser this week. (Is that my underwear drawer? I don’t recognize it at all). I thinned out my clothes by about 1/3, and then, as the universe sometimes encourages us, about ten minutes after I got them folded and packed in two large boxes, I got a call from Rescue Mission asking if I had any clothing donations. Yeppers. And, they come and pick up your stuff, too!
How about a Tiny House ?
We moved to another city before we could get really practical plans for purchasing and remodeling it. It was two-story, arched windows, probably 5000 sq. ft overall with a wooden porch with a tin roof.
Since I did hear an interview with the Fire Chief in Newark, affirming that this was a ‘real’ rescue, I’m inclined to think it actually was a real event. But I’m capable of making mistakes!
It isn’t like that in here at all, at least not since I’ve lived here, and I was on the board for 4 years. Their concern seems to be only keeping the complex well maintained and attractive. So we all pay for snow removal and landscape maintenance and the homes are painted every 6 years, but there’s not a lot of intrusion into anyone’s personal choices.
A nice advantage is that when a resident spends part of the year in Florida, or a home is for sale, the exterior is kept up and it’s not obvious that no one is in residence.
Ideal, to my mind.
Good morning all. Great topic Ruth. Thank you.
I’m not saying that all HOAs are bad, just that, being unable to see into the future, I’d never agree to be subject to their decisions. I’ve already got enough people telling what to do and when and how to do it.
If I were to build a new house, and of course I’m not, it would have a massive dining room so I could accommodate my growing family without having to haul in banquet tables and folding chairs every time I wanted to have everyone over.
Everything I’ve read (and admittedly that’s not a lot) made it seem legitimate to me.
Hello oldnslow. How are you and the lovely cbl?
My experience with HOA’s is mixed, but generally positive. It functions like the original concept of a government to pool everyone’s resources to perform needed services. Some do get taken over by the sort who want to tell neighbors how to live, unfortunately.
Restored three historic houses over the years. Done with that. It’s for the young. If you tried to put a screwdriver or paintbrush in my hand now, I would call the police. LOLOL
Glad you came by, thanks.
But why would he make it up and why go through the laborious process and involve other conspirators, (who could turn and rat in a second), to back up your story? To what advantage? What would be the end game and what’s in it for Booker?
Several people whom I’ve known to do that have also made a tidy profit, but it was a great time for them, learned a lot.
Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. That’s what I have in mind for the future.
Good morning. The industrious CBL is working on a baby shower cake.
Hope you are well.
Criagslist works great, and they show you what the rules and choices are. Here’s the Texas page.
I’ve held and gone to a million yard sales; advertising the larger items ahead of time helps; you can even use Craigslist for yard sales, save money on classified ads.
Tables help for yard sales, and one clue is to price everything. In this economic climate, loads of people will show up, and ya might not have time to dicker on prices, or remember later what you told a shopper.
But please don’t throw anything away; there are so many needy people who look for the most reasonably-priced items at thrift stores. (not Salvation Army, as a rule)
I don’t know. But my spidey sense is tingling.
I lived in a condo for a couple of years before I built my house, and they had all sorts of picky rules, stuff like how early you could put out patio furniture and when it had to be put away, when you could put up holiday decorations, etc. That was enough of THAT. But this is not intrusive at all. The HOA has to approve structural changes that affect the exterior (decks, hot tubs, etc.), but I own the house and the bit of land it stands on.
It’s the sort of neighborhood where the residents mostly keep to themselves but are friendly, and without being nosy we keep an eye out for each other, so it feels safe.
Good Morning, Mister Slow,
What kind of house do all y’all live in? So you have ranch style houses in your ‘hood?
It’s interesting to think about how the home styles reflect the landscape and the history of an area.
Showering cbl with good wishes for a wonderful cake.
I’ve heard and seen some horror stories about HOAs that degenerated into vendetta driven cliques that were then used to get rid of people they didn’t like. Until the laws governing what they can and cannot do are spelled out better, I’d never even consider it.
Thanks, my son also likes Craigslist, I’ll look into that. Most of my throwaway items go to the Shelter, just around the corner a few blocks here.
I am very well, thank you. Tell cbl that she’s making me tired just thinking about it!
LMAO! I think we’re going to need a bit more than a tingly spidey sense, especially as I’ve never heard of you being bitten by a radioactive spider! :)
The worst case scenario I’ve heard is of massive dues that grew up as homes were lost, so that the remaining members had to support many homes that were running down and couldn’t be sold – partly because of the formidable dues.
Yeah, I know. But that’s all I’ve got.
Do I ever hate to lose the old prairie Victorian homes, as they simply fall down eventually around here.
Unfortunately, there has been a huge economic/cultural shift against historic preservation at the grassroots level over the last three decades.
Also, speaking of space, those of us who are fortunate enough to have a yard, any yard a’tall, may find it important to create a special area to sit and meditate or think or read in. Our own little garden of eden.
Oh, don’t get me started about stuff, Ruth. I have the kids’ stuff they did not take with them, my stuff, my husband’s stuff, my brother’s stuff and my parents stuff. I have more stuff than square feet.
I am trying, but in this market, the stuff does not sell. On the up side, I never have to worry about a gift.
I’d rather be in the garden, or canning.
We live in an unusual little ‘hood made up of about 2 dozen small non-tract homes. Ours is about 1000 square ft but a 3-2 with a 2 car garage. We have been together for 23 yrs next month and raised 5 children and have carried around far too much shit for far too long. Our only child together, now 21, is still with us but making noise like he will move out in the not to distant future. I have been enjoying the conversation about getting rid of stuff. Something we desperately need to do.
The only caution about Craigslist (and I’ve never experienced it personally) is that you run the risk of having someone come to your house with bad intent. I even sold a porta crib to the Mayor’s wife once, and some other things to perfectly nice people. And in my experience they don’t dicker over the price, they come prepared to pay and in cash.
But you are giving a prospective buyer your address and directions to your house, so there’s at least a small risk involved.
That, of course, is the ideal situation but as I said, until laws are written to spell out what they can and cannot do, I’m not going to spend over a hundred thousand dollars on a home and then surrender my right to live in it to a bunch of people who could, for all I know, just be a pack of self important, nosy busybodies, determined to decide who can and who cannot, live there.
Some of that push has come from construction companies, imho. We had some wonderful old stone buildings with domes when I was growing up here, and when they were torn down and rebuilt we lost some real treasures.
She is actually hustling because she goes to work at 10:15 and the party is tomorrow. (we plan on going downtown for the big Hot Rod show when she gets off around 4:00).
We have so many of those old houses built in the 1920s that are now empty and falling apart. Though some are being referbed, there are still so may that are just falling apart.
sigh.
Thanks. I will pass that on.
Ding! We pay an outrageous amount of money to rent/lease the land our house is on. Management here has been really poor for a long time and with the economy the way it is, there are many houses for sale. Just the other day, a neighbor told me that the home owners are rallying together to do some sort of class action movement against the owners of the land. Apparently, they have one of the local tv stations doing an investigative report.
Crossing fingers here.
It’s really pretty funny to me that people still think only enormous houses reflect prestige, status, whatever. I figure now all they represent is people over their heads in debt…esp if there’s a new car in the driveway!
I have an old, small Victorian which I’ve restored and upgraded and when I bought it I was surprised to learn it came with 1/2 acre of good floodplain growing land. I had rented it for 7 years previously, so I didn’t even need to move!
I only basically use my studio and bedroom. Kitchen and bath for incidentals, like eating and brushing my teeth, etc…..the living room is for the kitties and company when it comes over.
Lots of good light all day long.
The thing is BUILT! Just the way I like it. It’s about 1000 sq feet and is plenty of room for just about anyone. IMO.
I xeriscaped the back half of the lot to make it look like a native garden, a wild place a long time ago and it’s a good thing I did with all the drought now.
I feel incredibly blessed………..and it DOES have a screened in front porch.
I’m planting more trees this spring if my back/knee can take it…..otherwise, somebody else can do it.
YAY!
Welcome to my world. Stuff becomes that when you have more of it than places to put it, in my experience. Got to shuffle it out the door. Parting with some of it is not easy, though.
Oh dear no, not here. There’s one situation I know of where a resident stopped paying association fees, and we wound up placing a lien on the home. The property was still maintained (a plus, no seedy run-down home to bring down the value of the other homes) and we eventually collected when the house finally sold.
Our fees are $200 per month, covering all snow removal, front and side landscape maintenance (mulch, shrub trimming, weeding), lawn mowing, gutter cleaning, leaf removal and spring and fall cleanup, and the aforementioned periodic painting. And we have an irrigation system and the fees pay for the water for it. So it is extremely reasonable.
They are so beautiful, but really, would I want to keep one up? I think not anymore.
Sounds like you lucked out! I was hearing running around in the back of my mind the old song about living in a Two Story House, some country image of finally making it out of poverty, while I was writing.
Morning all. Great topic! Had a friend who lived in a cute and comfortable bungalow in Columbus. She and her husband were considering on selling their house for a “larger model.” The family was growing and they were feeling cramped. She went to Mexico with a church group to build homes in a poor village for two weeks. When she returned they decided they would stay were they where. They realized they were living in a “palace” and the issues of space was a result of not using their space efficiently. The architect, Susan Susanka, has a cottage industry promoting quality construction of smaller homes.
http://www.susanka.com/
She works awfully hard. I didn’t realize she was still working her day job. Give her my best!
Good morning, pupses, and thank you, Ruth for hosting. Can’t believe I slept so late. Going back to read comments but wanted to say hello before everyone heads out.
This is a great topic.
I just want to send a Shout Out to Suzanne, who’s still recovering from her fall.
((Suzanne))
Good to hear, and some few years ago my son and I did a Habitat build in Chile, which was very valuable experience. We can do a lot more with the resources we have.
Oh, how we love the tiny houses! We were at Lowe’s the other day, touring the inside of a tiny, framed storage shed, with windows and an upstairs. We were fantasizing about putting in plumbing and wiring. Finally decided that, if the little bitty house was in one of my fantasy desert places, very remote, we could go ahead and have an outside shower.
I’d be lost in a huge mansion, and would likely still eat chips over the kitchen sink, in a tee-shirt.
Thanks, Peg. She works Weds, Thurs, Friday evenings, about 5 to 9 and Staturday 10:30 until around 3:00. Even she admits it is not a terrible schedule.
Glad you came by, we’re all about space – and how to use and enjoy it.
Thanks, and good going! to Suzanne.
And there are documented cases of HOAs selling a home out from under an owner because he/she didn’t mow the grass often enough to suit them and it always turns out there’s bad blood involved. The HOA in the small subdivision to my west recently posted a no trespassing sign at a city park, insisting it was for residents only! That went over like a led balloon, (and the sign came down like a punctured balloon), as soon as I took a pic and sent it to the city. I’m glad your experience has been a positive one, (so far), but that’s not close to enough evidence for me.
Thanks, and those beach houses were very much like that, enough room for essentials, outdoor showers, meant to enjoy, not to labor over.
Historic neighborhood designation can be just as bad, and as vindictive.
Poor Suze! I haven’t seen her around much lately but our schedules are so different these days, it’s not surprising.
Oh, yeah. You’re not being done any favors by having your home designated as an historic landmark. Screw that too!
By the way, the old homestead in Pa from above was built in the 1830′s. Still lived in and standing straight and tall.
It’s about 1/2 mile east of the farm.
I guess that’s not too terrible and hey, whatever makes her happy.
I was reading LLN and it seems she’s having to move out of her cabin. Owners are moving back in, so she’s having to find a new place to be. Without any stairs. She’s really going through it. :(
G’Morning, Spud
Nice house. Looks like someone should be sitting on a porch with a banjo.
It’s beautiful, and built like my childhood home, out of original stand wood that’s harder than nails.
OK all, time to get started with a very busy day. Hope the week end brings delight for all.
Good morning Om. (did you catch up yet?)
Oh, dear, that sounds like rehab territory, could she get help with that?
Yikes!
Sounds interesting. How much was it?
I think her daughters and soninlaw are helping.
When it rains…huh?
Good morning, Demi. My sister in law is going to be moving to Alaska in about three years, and has decided to buy a manufactured home and put it on the land that her older son and his family have purchased.
I haven’t been to the website yet, but I think there are lots of customization options and that they are very energy efficient. Well insulated, too, considering where she will be living :)
I do not remember mentioning this here, but not too long ago the house I had lived in for a quarter of a century burnt to the ground.
Fortunately, my family and I only lost our stuff.
After, the initial shock of the fire passed, I resolved to rebuild on the same spot. It is a spectacular location.
Having an opportunity later in life to build damn near what we wanted was an interesting experience. We chose the KISS model. I recommend it.
I think for a number of reasons, we escaped that in here, although I know it can happen. These homes were built mostly in 1987, and they may have dealt with those issues long ago. I didn’t even investigate that, so I lucked out, I guess, and it seems to be just about the correct amount of oversight.
The only concern some of us have is parents deciding to buy one of the homes for their children who attend the local university, and the kids moving in and having loud parties. Hasn’t happened yet, but the board has no say about who can live in a home.
Medical insurance coverage, if she has it, might have some built in rehab assistance. Just thinking, she could look into it.
There are alot of different manufacturers. Look at Silvercrest and Fleetwood websites.
I’m off. Everyone enjoy the day.
The natives had good taste. That instrument was not so popular here among the Delaware people in the back yard. heh.
I just deleted my comment about Suzanne because you posted it first.
Good morning all.
This family guy lives in 2000 sq ft split foyer built by Wausau homes in 1970 with all the woodwork done by me when I was 16.Also built the two car garage including hand mixing the concrete floor.
All 29 trees on the 10000 sq ft lot were planted by Dad and me.
It was understood that I would purchase the house by my siblings if I moved back to small town Iowa. Half court basketball hoop, and a second story deck shaded by Crapapple trees.
All for a $400/month payment. I am one lucky man.
I’ve been looking at a pre-fab log house, myself, just playing with the idea. spuds has passed on that he’s heard of bad experiences with the kind of chemicals used to process the wood, though.
What were their instruments of choice? Dulcimer? Fiddles?
I’m clueless.
What a good outcome from bad starts. Margaret and I have the roof observatory all worked out, the rest not so much.
That’s amazing. I won’t read your comment aloud here. Mister might not be too happy.
But, good for you! A real blessing, and lots of your own hard work.
Instead of just throwing stuff away consider giving it away. I once had a funky old sofa that I was too embarrassed to sell and I was too lazy to haul it to the nearest thrift store so I hauled it to the curb and placed a sign on it that it was free for the taking. It was gone in less than a half hour.
Morning Pups,
Distractions taking precedence.
Home heart, mind and soul.
Later
Good fortune, that. And a wise family.
It’s been a lot of work, and I did a lot of it myself. Can’t do it anymore.
And a neighbor who harassed me for years trying to run me off my property, but I’m still here and he’s all gone.
I did luck out. It’s all paid for since 2000 too!
Nor should they. It’s an exceedingly tiny step from no university students to no Browns, Blacks, Asians, Gays, etc.
No doubt that was welcome somewhere, and very true, some stuff will find a happy new owner.
It isn’t gruesome, it is generous. My father left me with a huge house full of generations of family treasures and trash it took months to go through everything and finally hold an estate sale. The house needed extensive updating and repairs before it could be put on the market, but all that had to wait until the house was empty. If we had lived in another city it would have been really awful, but fortunately I only lived about 45 minutes’ drive away. The worst part though was the feeling of guilt that I was selling or giving away things that had been so precious to members of my family.
Hmmmmmmm…..
I’ve done that with all sorts of things. I wonder if the couch would go? around here? Probably
Thanks, and great good spirits to you too.
Hey! That thunder storm that came through yesterday dropped HAIL in my yard. Enough so that the ground was White for a little while.
Ha!
Yep, for me the keep it simple model would be applied to the to the home itself but not the tower/observatory, which would incidentally function as a panic room.
Not to mention a zombie shelter.
I wish my interest was as idealistic but really, I just don’t want to do all the work involved with keeping a big house up. I’m lazy. :-)
Having helped clean up a thankfully few homes after family deaths, agreed, taking a bit of time to get your excess trimmed down is a courteous thing to do.
Ha!
Of course, for the observatory to really work, you’d have to live away from the city, right? One of the things I enjoy about living up on this alluvial fan, at the edge of the Angeles Forest is how dark the sky is in that direction. Stars!
Of course! Preferably at an altitude of 5000 feet or more.
I have run into folks who volunteer at Ft. Davis (observatory) summers, live in an RV. Hmmmm
Margaret @112
I do not have a formal observatory. My home is out in the country on a lake. On a clear night, if you go out to the end of the dock and look up into the sky, it is one hell of an informal observatory.
I’m just not too sure about that. Since the Whiskey Rebellion took place in my back yard and everyone’s name began with a McSomething or other, I would lean toward the dulcimer or and the fiddle. I see the banjo as a southern creation. But I could be wrong.
Fun topic this morning, Ruth. Thanks!
Gotta go do some errands. Two performances down, two more to go in my musical theater adventure. Then my challenge will be getting the music to stop playing endlessly in my head.
Have a great weekend, everyone!
Same here, but I’ll never get over my love of the woodwork of old homes. And brickwork. And plaster coving and cornice. Oh, and lighting.
I’ll never get over old hoses, I might as well face it!
Last year the mayor of my small town held a Clean Up the City day in which residents were encouraged to get rid of junk they had accumulated. He volunteered city trucks to come around and pick up our junk curbside on a Saturday morning. It was junk that shouldn’t go to landfills such as old tvs, washers & dryers, refrigerators. The clean up was very successful. I got rid of an old monstrosity of a refrigerator that day and we’re looking forward to a repeat next month.
A moon colony. No light pollution. No atmosphere. NO NEIGHBORS.
Definitely have to restart the space program. :-)
Incidentally, PW is above, reflecting on women’s issues.
And our local Good Will store had this strange invasion;
http://www.kens5.com/news/VIDEO-Naked-man-puts-on-red-dress-and-heels-during-Goodwill-rampage-147155395.html
Shall have to head there with some donations.
You’re giving Ruth ideas. That’s what we’re here for, right?
Another successful PUAC.
Is nonquixote still here? Can you enlighten us?
Just now got to this comment. Have a great day! Hugs to the lovely cbl:)
Get it out of your mind? Harrrrdly everrrr.
I’m glad you’re enjoying your musical, Molly.
You’ll have to replace that music in your head with something else.
Very good event! We have a monthly day curbside junk is picked up, within some limits but not many.
Thanks! and around here, wooden flutes are native music, not so much stringed instruments.
Flutes and drums. I wonder why not stringed instruments? Hmmm.
Hope everything is ok……
great topic, Ruth! hi, pups!
i continue to be very content with my ’86 rv that i’ve lived aboard for 16 years now. even with approx. 8 x 20 ft living area, i STILL have too much stuff! but none of it in the way or inconvenient so disposal waits for “when i get round to it.” ;o)
Thanks, and my sister and brother-in-law are also RV’ers, after retiring. Eventually they will settle because they’re too old to drive, but are enjoying the world at present.
Bet the Perseids look great lying on your back on the dock. Aug 12 and 13 this year should be good viewing.
Yep, I’ll bet. It’s the informal ones that make me want a better equipped one. Nature provided the beauty but really inadequate eyes.
Dunno if I could live in an RV. I spent too much time working on them. It would be okay short term though I suppose.
Going out to put up some additional trellis on the terrace. Out clematis are going wild!
Thanks again, Ruth, and everyone have a great day.
They would have required a cat or two. A rare commodity in this neck of Penn’s Woods at that time.
How did you work on them? Was that a manufacturing type job?
You sure have deep and various job experiences.
And, that’s an answer to the native music too.
Their finding is that the RV is not built for hard use as a home is, but they did like breaking free and traveling whenever and wherever they wanted to.
Clematis is great, a trellis is worth the work to have the good flowers.
I worked on them as a mechanic between 02/2002 – 03/2004. The mechanical/electrical part of that job was okay but when it came to the interiors, I’ve never seen such sloppy, substandard work. A mass of particle board and plastic that has an instant and relatively short relationship with entropy, coming off the factory floor.
In the late 90s a young architect designed and built a home utilizing stacks of old tires filled with adobe, covered with chicken wire to hold the stucco. It was absolutely beautiful when it was completed. Lately, I understand, it sold for over $250,000. The design, BTW, is reminiscent of a Navajo hogan, though highly modified in order to accommodate modernity and has a magnificent mountain view.
Smaller homes, smaller yards, less stuff to take care of? The Europeans made that choice years ago when they chose national health care, four & five weeks of annual vacation time, longer maternity leave, state-funded higher education and were willing to pay for it with higher taxes – thus, less disposible income.
Thanks.
BTW, the blt’s are ready. Want one?
That sounds like great use of materials. I’d love to get away from wood, since we really could better save trees than cut them down.
Thanks, and the European choices are more friendly to people than ours are at present. Their homes however, often passed down from one generation to the next, and started small to preserve resources, as I understand it.
It’s a great recycling of materials. In California, another young architect saw the sea containers that are accumulating in west coast port cities and decided that they could provide livable accommodations if utilized in an imaginative. The first home he built, with help from his wife, is a monument to imagination.
Love your topic this morning Ruth! Thanks!
“imaginative way.” My bad – I’m still on my morning coffee.
Yes, please. :)
Here ya go….we have to continue some PUAC traditions.
And, so…I wonder what kind of house Jane Austen lived in.
Ha.
I think I’m out now.
Thanks to Ruth for hosting a great discussion. Nice writing, Ruth.
Thanks Ruth for the PUAC! Gotta get going so later pups!
In Jane’s day, I believe there was a lot of resource friendly living, anyway.
Thanks!
Thanks for visiting, so glad you have time on Saturday for more than a stop by.
Great topic btw!
Its still better and less wastefuk to renovate existing old building than tear them down or build on “new” ground. here where i live every 20 x 20 patch of dirt has an unneeded unwanted (by anyone but the builder) new building on it.
Real estate is a big topic for me. I own a little bit of it, and I have done my share of remodel and repair of it over the years, for myself and for others. I have been involved in new construction (yikes, you need deep pockets for that IMO, and I don’t have ‘em). I have also been involved with historic buildings.
I am thinking a lot about paring down these days as I have to unload the family business/estate now, and anyone here who thinks they have a lot of “stuff” has nothing compared to “The Black Hole,” my father’s business. Yikes.
I think there was some mention of a venture that I am next looking at: co-housing. I have friends/former associates who are getting ready to start a project like that for our dotage. Everyone has their own smallish house (800-1200 SF) but the rest of the property is set up for collaborative living, gardens, and community kitchen/gathering space.
I really am dreading the swamp cooler season this year in NM. It used to be a job I was proud to do myself, getting the coolers up and running. But I have lost the vigor for it. It’s a big job, and I really am tired of it. Time to pare down in lots of ways.
Thanks and yes, communal living is something we’ve been discussing in several online communities, where it seems people who have a lot in common and get along might get together well. We were talking up thread here about HOA codes, and how they’re being worked into better shape. Seems worth a try, anyway.
Co-housing is usually designed by the “intentional community” who will live there together. It has been hard to get people to commit to the whole design phase, and the RE market has frightened so many people that it is hard to get people to put their money down. So this project is going forward with developer money and bank money, and they are hoping that they will be able to tell the bank it is “pre-sold” by the time the real money has to be there.
This is only a property big enough for 8 houses, I think, so it will be a small group. But it has its risks, of course, and you have to hope that everyone will get along. I guess the ones who put the money together will be able to “vet” the other owners. Not ideal, but maybe the only way this project will happen.
My own house I have lived in since 1987. It was built in 1923. It is near downtown, and super accessible to everything. But it is really too big for me, and the yard area is too big for me to take care of also. I love living here, but I am also guilty of having too much stuff. My plate is way to freaking full these days, so simplifying is something I will have to do no matter how hard it is for me.
Way too, where is the edit?
I would like to see this kind of thinking become the main message.
Stop letting Mrs. Romney define our choices. Make a commercial of her saying” We should respect the choices women make” and then stick with that. Do what the republicans do when this happens to them. double down……speak truth don’t cower…….mrs romney has every right to decline employment away from home……..just speak truth to why……..she has big bucks……….we suck at making our point…..Romney is the inevitable outcome of the post wwII thinking that “things and money” are the road to joy and good…….bullshit….they even do it with their perversion of religion….fuck now only rick people can get in heaven….fuck we suck for letting them lead this discussion……speak up…….please do not be afraid to say that money does not equal “right” speak up about what your grandparents taught you..they lived through the biggest iteration of this sick republican thinking…..they would shit if they heard us sucking up to these hogs………..what is so funny about peace, love and understanding…..speak the fuck up…..ty
Is that Albuquerque, and sorry about the edit. I’m very much aware of the inability to take care of stuff, as it builds up. I also have an example to watch in an elderly mother who’s unable to judge for herself any more, and don’t want that to come along before I’ve made my own adjustments.
It is, or that is, I live in Albuquerque. All of the “family stuff” is in Los Alamos, about 100 miles from here. On his death bed, my father told me, “All the boxes, all the stuff, get rid of it all.” He was haunted by the task he left for us to clean up. I think by boxes, he meant the buildings. But the stuff, well “The Black Hole” speaks for itself. 7-8 semi truck loads is our estimate of that.
But if you think of coming to NM and are interested in co-housing, I will be happy to get you on the communication e-list for info. These are really good people, mostly women, who are working on it.
Very interesting, as I happen to have a nephew who grew up and now works in Los Alamos, as my brother-in-law did at the labs. Have visited there myself. I can only imagine having that sort of stuff to clean up.
Ask your nephew about TBH. He will def know the place. It is the most visited of all the visitor sites in Los Alamos. Legendary.
Will do that. Their family name is Boland, he went to HS there, do you know them?
Oh, gee, I’m sorry I got here so late; interesting thread. I’m with Margaret on HOA’s, for what it’s worth. It may well be that Texas law gives them more power than other states do, which is way too much. I would avoid buying where there’s an HOA here, for sure. Too many horror stories. It seems to me I’ve heard that there is a movement afoot to restrict some of that power in the next legislature. Hope so.
Like everyone else, I, too have too much stuff. Some of which is stuff from when my parents downsized from house to retirement community apartment. I took too much of it for sentimental reasons, and can’t even unpack much of it. I would love to have a second bedroom; my one bedroom apartment is big, being in an old 4-unit building built like a house, around a Satillo tile patio with a brick-fenced yard, and I even have half of a two-car garage, with shelves. It feels as big as the cramped tract house my ex owned when we got married. The house actually felt like an apartment to me, one set down on the ground, with no windows at all on one side because it was right up against the fence/property line, and sliding doors on the other side to the yard, but no back door. The three bedrooms really should have been two,because they were so small you couldn’t even put bedside tables on both sides of the bed in the “master” bedroom. I loathed that place.
This feels more spacious, and has hardwood floors instead of horrible, allergy-aggravating wall-to-wall carpet. I just have so much stuff, most of it small, not furniture, that it’s crowded and cluttered. Got to work on getting rid of it.
Having an e-reader has already prevented a bunch of new books cominng in, but it’s hard to cull the ones I have.
Such a nice Saturday conversation.
You know what I notice about the photo of Tara? It’s smaller than the McMansions people have been building in the pre-crash 2000′s. They’re ugly, too, terrible proportions, fake imitative details of some imagined style. My place was built in the ’20′s, and I love that about it. Has personality.
Welcome, anyway! There’s a horror story in Plano about an HOA member who went by the by-laws that said you had to paint anything in ‘earth tones’, and painted his fence green. The HOA has been after him to re-paint it and claiming green doesn’t qualify. Insane.
That having too much stuff happens to a lot of us, after growing up never having enough. It came to me as a surprise when suddenly I had too much. As you can no doubt imagine, I grew up needing things and wanting more, and it’s hard to readjust. Am working hard at it.
The McMansions trying to be Tara in TX really amuse me. But what makes me snort is the Williamsburg style churches. So wrong.
Don’t see much of Williamsburg style anything around here. If there’s an identifiable style, it’s pseudo-Spanish colonial. Done well…as it was in the 20′s and 30′s, it’s very nice. done badly, with ugly proportions, as the builders (not architects) seem to do in recent (20?) years, it’s ugly-ugly-ugly.
We don’t get that much in N.TX., but I do like prairie Victorian, even tho I don’t ever in this life want to sweep all those verandas and porches.
here’s the Williamsburg style, so silly here; http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1137&bih=527&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=IM8oFM8y5Asi4M:&imgrefurl=http://www.figuralminibottles.net/goedewaagen/Williamsburg/goedewaagen_williamsburg.shtml&docid=y5LdsDAI2kn9YM&imgurl=http://www.figuralminibottles.net/goedewaagen/Williamsburg/williamsburg_bruton_parish_church_l.jpg&w=965&h=897&ei=DbeJT52ULsji2QXllt21CQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=112&vpy=190&dur=1466&hovh=215&hovw=232&tx=117&ty=190&sig=101174013888857914700&page=6&tbnh=160&tbnw=182&start=72&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:72,i:320
Bruton Parish Church! I’ve been there a few times! (Actually, I love the Williamsburg style, but then I’m an Easterner. Red brick is what I love to gaze at when I go ‘home’ to Maryland, lol).
In fact, I have an unfinished stitching project that is a picture of Bruton Parish Church, intended as an anniversary present for my parents….must be twenty years since I started it…and got bored stitching so much brick! The irony…
Now that’s just funny. I lived in Montgomery County, MD raising my kids, and it’s really more like home to me than TX – more my kind of people. My son thought about moving once, went out to San Francisco, which he liked, but decided no place fit as well so stayed. I want to get back east, am in the beginning of that process.
Yes, funny…I’ve been here since 1984,…every year, especially in summertime, I say I’m going to go back east….so far, I’m still here. Cheaper to live, for one big thing. I would never be able to buy a house, rent is much higher, and the likelihood of finding a place that would take me and multiple cats low…and, of course, I never have to buy a new winter coat or put on snow tires in the winter…so, I’m still here. Lol.
I am fond of San Antonio and the Mexican culture. It’s a major reason I moved here instead of say, Dallas (also, Dallas traffic frightened the hell out of me when I went there to take the bar exam). I made my decision really, when I saw there was a (the only one outside of Mexico at the time) branch of UNAM, the National University of Mexico, in Hemisfair Plaza. I was incredulous. And was able to take some courses there in the ’80′s and 90′s.
Here’s a pic of the “rose” window at Mission San Jose: you see copies of it all around town, in the most surprising places…one of the prettier attempts to imitate the style.
Okay, one more pic of Mission San Jose: (I am very fond of it, but visit at a time other than high summer)
Thanks, that is nice. Yes, I like the SW style, also the missions in NM, altho that they native tribes were enslaved to make them does make me queasy.
Right now, I’m looking to go east a little north of MD, which you’re right, is pretty expensive. Look at the bottom picture on this post, that’s near where I’m heading. The houses are coming down in price outside the cities, where nothing is moving, anyway.
Well, phooey – those links just went tothe main page, notto the close up, already-downloaded photos? Why did I go to all the bother, then? Oh, well, for those who care to look, the facade and the window are really quite beautiful, and of course, they were hand-carved by the Indian residents of the mission.
Picture; https://picasaweb.google.com/RCalvo8/CabDrollery?authkey=Gv1sRgCKXljKDIyO37ywE#5246281715487002914
Ruth, I don’t know that name. I left Los Alamos in 1971, and I have only in the last 2 years, while taking care of Little Momma, been there on weekends. The town makes me crazy. Do you know where your nephew works, in which part of the Lab? Or where in town he lives or his family home?
And speaking of the green fence, and earth tones, I guess the HOA has never heard of “God’s Green Earth?” LOL.
I’ve emailed him, asking about the name you mentioned, and will ask when he gets back to me, which may be later this week. His parents were happy to sell their house in White Rock and go to RV’ing, really were so glad to be able to bird watch and go to the beach, etc. I’ll let you know when I hear back, if you can ask Elliott to send me your email addy.
You mean, the old homestead? that would be nice.
Just north of Maryland? My cousins, several of them, live in York, PA and surrounding area. Widened by a few counties, that’s the “ancestral home” of my mother’s family.
Nice country. The house in the picture is farther north and west, near Lake Conneaut. Very rural. And lots of fresh maple syrup about now.
To answer your question, “Did you once want a big, impressive house, an expansive piece of property, a front porch with pillars, like Tara in Gone With The Wind?”
In a word, No.
Fortunate for you.
Ruth, my e-mail is my screen name @aol dot com
Thanks, I’ll be in touch.
Ruth,
A great topic! My sister and I are trying to turf out our mother’s house- stuffed to the gills with everything she has saved and bought since mid 1950s. Mother is pack rat, or perhaps in terminology used today, a hoarder.
I live 3000 miles away, and my sister much closer, but far enough away that she can only go on weekends. When she can, given her job. The burden of knowing we would have to clean out the house (where were raised) has been haunting us since forever. Especially since our mother tended to hide valuable items (like stock certificates) in unpredictable places.
Our mother is now in assisted living, and her SS check falls considerably short of the cost. Neither my sister or I want to, nor have space to absorb the house contents. Neither of us want to be burdened with more “stuff”.
So, we have been talking about the best way to dispose of the contents, the idea being to get extra $$ to continue to pay the extra cost of our mother living in assisted care.
At one point ebay was mentioned in PUAC. I’ve not explored that yet as a way to sell things in house (again with the idea of getting $$ to pay extra cost for her assisted care). But, maybe there are other options.
I don’t know if you would be willing to do a reprise of this PUAC, focusing more on issues I’ve mentioned above, but if so, imho, that would be great.
I think I got the “pack rat” gene from my mother. Giving away stuff I don’t need is now not a huge problem for me, especially as I am a rabid thrift store shopper. If you see what I mean. I could not have survived monetarily had I ever paid the prices for similar items in regular stores.
But, faced with the cost of keeping my mother in assisted living, I would really welcome practical advice.
Thus, maybe a topic for another PUAC, extending the comments and thoughts here?
Thanks, it’s something that we talked about in the comments above, I had a recommendation of CraigsList too, and garage sales with specific items advertised in advance. The horading instinct is strong in me, too, having had too little at many times, and now having more than I can handle, needing to let it go. I will take your suggestion to heart, as we had so many comments from people clearing out and cutting down.
Thanks, Ruth.
If either my sis or I lived anywhere our mother’s house, Craig’s List and garage/ lawn sales could be a viable option to get money to pay for her assisted care. But, right now, I don’t see this as a viable option. We both have serious day jobs, so taking time off to organize this would be a challenge.
As for parting with my stuff, well, I live in a condo association, so no garage/ lawn sales permitted. (I noted that home owners associations were also a big part of conversation. My experience has not been as bad as some related in the discussion.)
I have been cleaning out my closets, and my stash of clothing. (Clothing bought from local thrift store.) I found a local consignment store. So, I’ve taken a lot there. They have two stores, actually. One is “boutique” and the other is “not boutique”.
At the “boutique” store, I’ve made modest $$ giving up stuff like cashmere sweaters, usually bought for $3.29 or $4.29 at the local thrift store. At the “not boutique” place, at least I’ve been able to get some money back on my “clothing mistakes”. I mean stuff I purchased at the thrift store (no dressing room to try things on) but turned out to be not the right choice.
I know that there are various motives for getting rid of “stuff”. Sometimes, I just want to get rid of “stuff”, w/o $$ income, just to have the peace of mind to have less “stuff”. This “stuff” (and there is a lot of it) goes to my local thrift store, my thought being likely someone else needs it more than I do.
I will stop rambling now. But thanks for considering this issue as a future post.