(Picture courtesy of Coventry City Council photostream at flickr.com.)
Good morning, firepups, I think we’ve earned a right to celebrate a real milestone victory today. Many of us have been involved in the election we just had the pleasure (for most of us anyway) of winning, and this PUAC gets a special dispensation. Talk about your election experience, today.
What did this election mean to you? For my part, I am relieved that the President was returned to office, even though I live in an area that saw complete rejection of progressive ideals. I credit voter suppression for waking up voters throughout the country. Early voting here turned out long lines, and the people in line with me on the first day of early voting were an amalgamation of types not usually seen at the Chamber of Commerce here in flyover land, North Texas. What did you see at your polls?
Hearing the losing side blame Hurricane Sandy for votes cast for supporting those leftie institutions, FEMA and Red Cross, gives me a real charge. Seeing divine intervention against themselves, now there’s your ultimate admission of guilt. What are your best laughs about the losses our corporate welfare promoters experienced on election day?
It’s not sheer politics to talk about what we did, and what we learned that we need to do, to take our gains forward. Did you do actual groundwork, community service like making phone calls and knocking on doors, to get out the vote?
Giving positive messages to the people you see most, comments about what we need from leadership, even criticism about offenses like voter suppression are a guidance we also are able to give, to encourage our contacts to make a good choice when they go to the polls. Talking online, emailing with your friends, encouraging those less engaged to see what their vote means, those are helpful too. Thanks, I think your country is better off for that help.
Now that we’ve gotten through this election, one that was particularly fraught with the possibility of disaster, what can we do to make the gains we’ve made work toward continued good?
Have you ever served your community or local government? Most work on those local bodies is done by volunteers, and it might be a very good time to check into what openings are out there.
I did a volunteer stint on the Commission on Arts and Humanities in Maryland, when I lived there, reviewing the activities presented for funding by various arts bodies in the state. We found out that the majority of funds were being used in one city that had placed a large number of representatives on the various arts committees, and regions in outlying areas got no more than token grants. Those of us from the neglected areas organized hearings to distribute funds more evenly, and brought in representatives from many theatre, literature and arts groups around the state to make a claim for fairness. While all of us wouldn’t be comfortable agitating for fairness, when public funds are involved it can make us act uppity for the right things. Yes, we did get a more fair distribution of the taxpayers’ funds.
There are boards in local government for planning, development, libraries, schools – how about taking a look at your local government openings for volunteers. You can be a public servant, and don’t even have to be such a troublemaker as I can be.
When we see the push against simple fairness that we’ve experienced during the drive to this last election, we have to get involved in some way. Here at Firedoglake we’re staying informed, and making our voices heard. Thanks for your positive influence. Spreading it around is vital to this country’s future as a bastion of democracy, a democracy that will always work against those who want to pervert it to their own gain.
(Picture courtesy of ennuislife at flickr.com.)





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The data doesn’t suggest that Sandy had anything to do with the election as Obama was already well on an upswing when it hit. This is just conservatives once again blaming everybody but themselves and their narrow ideology for defeat.
Hello Ruth and good morning pups. My election experience was the same as they have all been lately really: I get badmouthed by people who I’m not in sycophantic agreement with, I get disgusted with the attack ads, then I go down to the polling place, where after a pleasant and usually short conversation with a poll worker with blue hair while waiting for an open booth, I cast my votes and went home.
Morning Pups, Earlier most of my efforts focused on rights of children and child abuse + domestic violence. I have been out of that arena for a while, and recently I have been exploring ways to get into the immigration push. Have gone to some conferences/met some interesting people, but not yet found quite a spot where I can fit schedule, etc. to be more involved. Still trying.
Will be interested in what others are doing.
Your efforts to stay agreeable and carry on intelligent conversation have been very much appreciated here, I hope you realize. I have to say that the amount of infiltration at our courthouse here by right wing elements has made me very much doubt our vote count is accurate. Since a progressive candidate who ran for congress was refused the right to observe the vote count after going through all the application process to get in, I really am sadly sure it’s not fair.
Good for you. I understand child advocacy can be exhausting, and brings on sad encounters with hopeless situations, but at least you tried.
And no, I didn’t do anything but vote. No money this time and no actions. There weren’t any referendums in my area or state that I could get behind or oppose strongly enough to make that effort and certainly there were no politicians who deserved that kind of effort on my part. My district traded a right wing teabagger for a right wing Blue Dog so I couldn’t really be excited about that and of course the ACA, Afghanistan, lack of prosecutions for torturers or the one percent that blew up the economy, etc., prevented me getting fully behind Obama. Just glad it’s over but I think I’m much more cynical than I was prior to the experience. About a great many things.
Yikes! Still, Texas got marginally bluer this year. It’s glacially slow but the trend seems definite.
Good for you! Giving a voice to those who have none. Very admirable.
Good Morning, Ruth, Bev, Margaret
and those yet to arrive.
I was going to say, Well lookie here, three of my favorite gals, all here to engage under dispensation. I just looked that word up to make sure I was understanding correctly.
Thanks, Ruth.
Some fellow Texans reported encouraging movement in the blue direction. With our AG threatening international elections observers with jail, it’s awfully hard to see good things happening soon, though.
Good morning Deb, you early bird, you.
When I was changing course to do to Divinity school, a District Judge said something to me like “Ive guess you’ve seen we need it” Abuse is truly evil, and the perps have amazing “excuses.”
So, my voting experience was fairly simple, once I’d gotten through the sample ballot and made my choices.
The line at the polling place, an elementary school was shorter than short. I think there was one person in front of me.
This was my son’s first chance to experience voting, sharing his opinion and being a part of this community. I told the workers that and one lady spent some time explaining to him what to do.
Once I was flying to Chicago from Boston, and got a breakfast that had bacon on a Friday, along with a ‘dispensation’ from the Pope to eat it. That’s always been a giggle for me.
I’ve never forgotten comments about having to choose a child to be sure of a virgin bride, when Prince Charles married Princess Di. That struck me as pretty awful, and that’s how it turned out.
That was just Greg Abbott continuing to make an ass out of himself to stroke his future political future. The only reason Perry and his crew of retainers keep getting elected is because they have so little actual power. The bureaucracies run the state. Perry has accepted money for retirement from the Governorship though, he did just prior to running his massive fail Presidential campaign, he can’t run again. If nothing else, Perry is gone at least.
Willard won my county by 6000 votes. The popping of the bubble was quit loud in these parts. The look on the faces I saw on Wednesday and my chance to gloat at them was priceless. Worth every minute of waiting for.
I’m so glad for him that he got to cast a first vote in this momentous an election.
Hey ya, Peg. I am a morning glory. For some reason I enjoy going to bed early and rising and shining early. We’re all so different, right?
Sometimes it’s really challenging to figure out who to vote for. We had a local race here where the challenger was fairly unknown. There were some rumors that he had had some harassment charges against him, but nothing that stuck. The incumbent, on the other hand, has been charged with numerous felony charges regarding voting violations and is scheduled for a trial later this month. See? I went with the guy who’s not going to be in jail soon. We’d have to turn around and do it all over again.
Perry’s effect will be with us for awhile though, since he named his cronies to so many regulatory boards. Granting a permit to locate a nuclear waste dump on top of the Oglalla Aquifer could be very damaging.
What do you mean about not running again? All I have seen is that he has ducked that question.
Yeah… How does one “excuse” abusing a child? Norwegian right winger and mass child murderer Anders Breivik is whining about his lack of moisturizer and the “sparse decoration” of his prison cell. These people are broken, just broken and not repairable.
Savor it for awhile, we earned it.
He’s accepted a pension for retirement. I’m sure he has lawyers working on the problem for him but I can’t see how he can legally run again after accepting a pension check
Good morning, everyone. Nothing special about voting. I wrote in Rocky Anderson, not that it will count here in RED Indiana, and voted reluctantly for a candidate for House and a candidate for Senate I didn’t like because the alternatives were worse (Mourdock, anyone?). Left a few spots blank because I don’t know anything about school board candidates. No line at mid-morning, in and out, only a few signs and nobody outside passing out anything.
Now I’m off to breakfast and the Farmer’s Market and I have a big to-do list that includes a bike ride before the chill comes roaring back on Monday. Have a good day.
I so miss the Diner. It’s been really strange this week not to have that spot to gather with my friends. OmAli is working on a fund drive to help with expenses moving SD’s kittehs to a new home. Chip in if you can.
Right, I had forgotten…
Excuses…first it is denial; one of the most horrifying was a parent who said he was just trying “to teach” the little girl. There
really is no way to “understand” such crazy thought, if you can all it thought.
The word ‘broken’ is well chosen.
I didn’t any gloating really but our resident teabagger was very late on Wednesday, leading my to wonder, (aloud of course, I have no mute button), if he had committed suicide. He spent the entire day in his office, staring morosely at the computer monitor and listening to Limbaugh cry. At least he’s long abandoned the notion that I’ll put up with his incessant propagandizing.
Your comment reminded me of a thought I had yesterday. The community I live in has been fighting a corporation that wants to strip mine the foothills above us. It’s a process that’s slower than slow and it’s extremely frustrating. Yesterday, as I was driving down the hill, I passed an area that is kind of a smallish swamp. I noticed a white bird flying over the water that I had not seen before. At first I wondered if it was a gull, but then I noticed it’s long neck and it looked like some sort of crane. I got the idea that if I could identify it as some bird that’s on an endangered list that we could use that as a reason to Stop The Strip Mine in Sylmar. And, I’ve seen a huge raptor nest in one of the trees. Like 5 or six feet wide.
Hope you have a terrific breakfast. Thank you for your vote, overturning Mourdock was worth quite a bit. I admit, some of the candidates here I voted for were the ones whose opponents’ sign appeared with Ralph Hall signs. (Our House member who attacked the moral terpitude of a Marianas victim of sex trafficking, and went on golf trips with Abramoff.)
There was a story on the local news about parents standing trial for doing things like staging fighting matches between their children, keeping them in closets and spraying them with bleach as punishments. For their part, the parents claimed they weren’t doing anything wrong, though when taken from the home, the children were severely malnourished and one was suffering from hypothermia, with a body temperature around 80℉. Just unbelievably loathsome.
Highlight: Watching Rove lose it on Faux news when Ohio was called for Obama.
Question: Now that Obama has a mandate,womandate, blackdate, hispanicdate and gaydate will he use it?
Yeah but your statehouse now has an impotent Republican representation. The Republicans in your state are now moot. The Democrats don’t need them to even show up to have a quorum now and can pass any bill with a two thirds majority without one Republican vote. I’ll bet that company is now trying to regroup and figure out what comes next.
Morning all. Just a drive-by to say have a nice weekend.
My politics are quite different than those expressed in this thread. I don’t consider Tuesday a win, but a slight easing of the pain of the next 4 years. However, since I love and respect everyone here this morning, I’m not going to participate :)
Just want you all to know that I do indeed love and respect you, and hope you have a wonderful weekend. Be well firedogs.
Not working out in the world like you, I didn’t even have an opportunity to gloat or watch any meltdowns in the real world. Now, the virtual world is a different story. I’ve read some strange gloating and misery online, but I haven’t engaged in discussion, that I recall.
My main emotion was sheer relief that The Other Guys didn’t win.
It is a collection of horror, starving etc. Really unbelieveable.
Im on my way out; have a lovely day, pups. I just looked in mirror and could see I had not finished my makeup…;) Not a pleasant sight…..Take care.
Although he’s been sounding “conciliatory” again, nobody else in his administration or the caucus really is. We’ll see.
Good Morning, Kris.
We don’t have to agree with each other to have a conversation, do we? I for one wish you would participate, but I’m not going to “bully” you into it.
Love you back.
I wish (on “the bureaucracies run the state”). There is some truth to this but although Texas USED to be a weak governor state, there have been a lot of changes to that and in fact Perry has a lot of real power and he has stacked the deck with his appointments and done tremendous harm.
I’m fine with discussing politics today but when it got into child abuse this is just too depressing (where the last week was energizing in the main) so I’m outta here.
Don’t get me wrong, I applaud those with the stomach to work on that, like doctors that can work with illness, but I can’t. Everyone have a great weekend.
Strip mining should be easy enough to head off by a serious environmental study, but here we have had an endangered spider appear in digs to test underpass building efforts. The underpasses have been turned into overpasses.
The police said there were scratch marks on the insides of the closet doors…. I can’t imagine how any human being could do that to a child. I just can’t.
See you later, Bev. You wear makeup? Kidding. I know you’re out in the professional world, so it’s understandable. Have a good one, dear.
He hasn’t “gained” power per se but yes, he’s shrewdly used the limited power he has to appoint sycophants.
Watching Rove is a challenge, in any form, but that was rewarding. Looks like we’re already seeing a return on the votes we cast, in commitments already made.
When the issue first came up, I truly thought there would be no trouble fighting the issue as the roads up here would totally not support the traffic of huge trucks and there’s an elementary school on one of the roads that they would have to use. We’ll have to wait and see what’s next.
Thanks for hosting and writing the piece Ruth,
I worked directly for two local campaigns closest to home. State Assembly Rep and US Congressional. I gave not one dime or one second of time to the local Dems (with whom I had worked extensively in the Recall of Walker) because they were requiring support for Bronco from anyone who came near them. Money, space and volunteers there were turned over lock, stock and barrel to the OFA feild staff, with their one public (non-party members invited) monthly meeting handed over to OFA for training sessions and propaganda shows for sorryO, no time for questions from those present if the question did not fit support for Barry.
Good Morning everyone. Gray and rainy here today, but warm, 50-60 F.
Thanks, and hopefully you’ll suffer a bit less – enough reason for voting.
Agree, the appointments have gutted the regulatory bodies supposed to protect the public.
Good morning Ruth and firepups.
What a great post today Ruth and I have not even read the comments yet. Can’t wait, going back to the top.
Almost 400 MILLION dollars spent by Rove’s associated PACs and a return of….wait for it….One percent! That’s funny. I don’t care who you are. Well, okay, unless you were one of the rich people he duped into giving lavishly, then you’re just a sad, confused moron.
Geeod Question,
Can I use it?
Okay, 50-60 F is not warm. Just sayin’…
Hello Nonny. :)
Good Morning. I’ve had a wonderful week. I recorded FoxNews on election night and Fox and Friends the next morning. Ha…lots of fun.
OTOH, the repubs never give up. Now the Voting Rights Act is heading to the Supreme Court.
Whenever this topic arises I can’t help but recommend this book by Alice Miller:
http://www.amazon.com/Your-Own-Good-Child-Rearing-Violence/dp/0374522693/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352555620&sr=1-1
The comments on Amazon are worth reading.
Yes it is sometimes painful to read, but we have come a long way and have further to go.
then you’re just a sad, confused less rich moron.
Helped you out there. Hope you don’t mind. :)
You are welcome to discuss the other things we’re talking about, but your choice is respected too.
My politics are quit different.
I’ve noticed this and I was wondering if you had a plausible explanation. At least you are honest about your feelings. Thanks.
I gave money, volunteered and voted. And, I waded into the fever swamp on the left bank of the Lake, where the water is shallow and green, and wrangled.
OT: Today is the 32nd anniversary of the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. If you have a few minutes, you might find this memorial interesting to watch and listen to.
LMAO! Well that’s certainly true.
Thanks for your work. I’ve heard that Wisconsin chose really solid leadership this election, and I’ve heard other reports that some recall choices were overturned. Your thoughts?
Glad you enjoy it, welcome.
The amount of money they lost is probably insignificant to them but the fact that they’ve been made to look like fools is priceless.
I know someone like that. Lots of money and super-competitive. His worst nightmare is that someone would laugh at him.
I’m not going to fault him. I remember that when I was young, I was going to change the world. KrisA is a good guy and has been much more respectful than some in his political disagreements.
I guess I’ll never understand that head. Having someone laugh at me is probably the least of my worries and certainly doesn’t approach “nightmare” status. Hell, I laugh at myself all the time.
Glad you had that much fun.
This is scary, as it indicates to me that the coathanger court will rush to do as much harm as possible while it still can.
Hello Margaret, up from 35-45F its better.
Geeod Question joelmaal, but poor typing here.
Anyone who missed this through fatster last night, worth a smile.
Warning: no coffee near your keyboard.
Good morning, oldgold. I too have ventured into some troubled waters. After the debacle of the Clucking Hens Vs. The Fierce Debaters settled a bit, I wanted to see if I could understand what was going on here. After being labeled one of the mean girls, I made a true effort to try and understand where that was coming from. I’ve been unsuccessful, sadly.
Among the many problems we face the gerrymandering districts by the right will have an impact well into the future. This becomes a firewall for these SOBs.
Thank you! also for the memorial.
Just a thought, in Britain Nov. 11 is Remembrance Day, since their acquaintance with the wars was much more than just a military presence.
demi @ 67
Thank you for having my back on several of my fever swamp excursions.
There will always be putting the blame for failure on anyone else but themselves and their policies. That is not repuke behavior, but human behavior.
So many a holes and so little time.
Ruth Calvo @ 69
The film and Gordom Lightfooot’s haunting song really meshed well.
Did you notice the primitive graphics on the ABC nightly news?
The thing is, I really needed some help in figuring out my vote this year. I mean, clearly Stein was more interested in making a splash than she was in actually governing but she and I agreed on 92% of the issues! Obama and I agreed slightly over sixty percent of the time but he was clearly better suited to lead a world power. My work friends and not work friends are not into policy and leadership issues like I am, (being much more interested in the R vs D game), so I needed a good, rational discussion but every time I tried to have one, I was jumped like a bleeding cod in a school of sharks. I would consider it a surrender to just walk away from this community but I didn’t get the help I needed and I’m not putting myself through that again.
That’s what friends are for. :)
Too true, and I saw on the Ed Show a gerrymandered PA, that had its formerly blue districts redrawn to include red areas that off set longtime voting patterns, overturning good representatives all through the state. Like badly managed voting polls, this hopefully will make voters mad enough to throw out the crooks. At least, some of them.
oldgold, thank you for the notice on the “Fitz” I will go back and look later but I used a movie on the Edmund Fitzgerald to teach weather systems to my Geography students because they liked the movie and did not realize all they were learning until the discussion phase after the movie ended. Whew, that was an elongated sentence. Sorry.
First Ruth,
I’d like to apologize in advance to anyone previously or here on out, for something that I notice after the fact, that is, I frequently miss replying to people who reply to my comment. Bad habit which I will try to remedy.
WI lost the State Senate majority they managed to gain in the recall. Picked up a couple more Assembly seats, but unless Walker is convicted on something with the John Doe investigations, we have him for two more years. I think this spring is a possible gain against one of the conservative (not the worst one) State Supremes, which would even things up there or switch the one vote majority.
You mean to tell me that saying over and over that Stein was handcuffed to a chair for eight hours wasn’t the argument that swayed your vote? Sorry, I just have to chuckle a bit.
When your in a swingy state your vote counts. In nyc casting a vote for a third party has no impact usually… but if enough votes are cast for the third party it will inspire more to consider the alternative in the future.
demi is a valued friend, and always unafraid to say what seems right. That made some of us ‘mean girls’ to those determined to create a fight.
A plausible explanation for my beliefs? We should talk on the phone, bud. This could take hours. :)
What it boils down to for me is this – I’m a 28 year old guy with daughters of 11 and 7. When I look at the next 70 years for this country, all I can see is more climate change-denying, more assaults on women’s rights, more wage stagnation, more wealth concentration at the top, more extrajudicial torture and killing, more Gitmo, more foreclosures, more persecution of our few heroes, and more glorification of the perpetrators of these heinous acts.
The moral compass in this country is so far off, it’s kind of scary (something that is certainly evidenced by the sheer amount of votes Mittens received. Even if you don’t agree with my take of Obama, you can agree with this).
Obama has been a pretty bad president. Over the last 40 years or so the foundation was laid for us to accept that. The ruling parties have slowly chipped away at the level of expectations held by the public, be it by accident or by plan. This slow erosion has culminated in a majority reelecting a guy who kills people all over the world and does almost nothing at home to help.
Now, I admit that I’m resentful, and that might taint my perspective. I see no viable paths for my generation to migrate class. Many of us can no longer afford college. Many of us are stuck in minimum wage (OR BELOW, FFS!) jobs. Those of us who do take a shot at college are saddled with enormous debt. For my generation, and I fear for my children’s generation, the future is a brick wall. A really high one. Because of this I am resentful of the generations that have come before mine, those of the last 40 years, who have reveled in consumerism while our country, our economy, and our very planet have gone to shit. These same generations have taught mine to value the very same consumer-driven ideals and goals. It’s pretty bleak.
I dunno, spuds. I guess all of this is just to say that Barack Obama may be the answer, but to what question? The ‘who’s better than Mittens?’ question? That’s about it. It’s really depressing for me. I worry about my immediate future. The economy, the job market, food prices, etc. I worry about the near future. Climate change, super storms, wars, etc. I worry about the long term. What are we leaving my girls with?
Well… I know when I started this that I was heading somewhere slightly coherent. Now I’ve lost it, and I feel kind of hollow and tapped out inside. Sorry to dump all this shit on PUAC. I just feel like this is a safe place. I know the folks here won’t give me too much shit for it.
demi, speaking of friends and you are a good one.
I have a question for you. Did the special vote on overturning union dues being collected in paychecks pass in California?
It was sponsored and pushed by the Kochs and would have hurt organized labor in your state. I forget the number of the proposal.
Hi Ruth and all, I was just thinking my comments today would not be appropriate at PUAC, but hey, they are!
I am driving across to another county where one of our good women candidates is in a too close to call race, and it would be great to see her pull it out with early and absentee votes that are being counted now. Of course, the other side wants to drag it out past the 10 day limit to try to keep all the votes from being counted, they were ahead by a few votes on election night. So it is a major effort, and I am volunteering today.
You all know I am a door-knocker, and I worked doors for a friend who took on an uphill battle against one of our terrible governor’s terrible lap dogs. She did not win, but she tried, and that matters.
And I have been a community volunteer forever. I did sit on the city arts board for a number of years when the Mayor we had would not have allowed any contracts with my name on them to be signed, so I could not compete for any projects anyway. I have not applied for art projects for a long time, but I have done several public art installations. I was a volunteer in the arts community for about 2 decades, but no longer. I have done a lot of that sort of thing over the years, now I am working for my family instead, doing the estate, which some of you also know a bit about.
Currently I am feeding cats. . .that seems to be my community service, though I gave food to a family the other day. I would love to go to NY and work on Occupy Sandy Relief. That is what I would do if nothing else to do now.
We have a trial date for my last arrest, Jan. 9. Meeting with the lawyers next week.
My favorite line from the Lake this week came from Attaturk and I’ve tried to find it but can’t.
Something like Shatinpantsfreud. A little help here?
Just watching the weather news has been an uneasy lesson for those determined not to believe in science, seems like. Good tactics.
We do not have any “mean girls” on this site, just ladies with a strong opinion and I so respect all of you and I am a man.
The ship was designed to be “within a foot of the maximum length allowed for passage through the soon-to-be completed Saint Lawrence Seaway”, and for the designers, that directive was the paramount concern, not whether it could be done or should be done. The loss was tragic but breaking in half was only a matter of the right circumstances coming together. She was doomed before she left the drawing board. The Fitzgerald was an object lesson in tension vs compression in an early engineering class I took.
How about class destruction as a goal instead of ladder to climb?
Thanks, that explains why WI looked good on the news, but discouraged a friend who worked hard to get Walker and friends out of office.
Oh, I’d have to look it up and my sample ballot is still in my car.
Let me do some research and I’ll let you know.
Oh, that swayed my vote…in the other direction. Stein makes a great activist but great activists almost always make crappy leaders.
I’m not going to give you shit about it, I largely agree. But I had other concerns as well and my objection to some third party supporters here was their outright dismissal of or contempt for those other concerns. I didn’t get that from you and for that I’m grateful so I’m just going to leave it at that.
Honey, why do you feel hollow and tapped out? And, this may be the perfect place for you to share. We have a particular fondness for each other, and I mean all of us here, and respect the hard political work you have done, especially for your girls.
Kris, you did not dump shit on PUAC, we are your friends and you are a good father looking out for his family.
You have been taught well by your own Mother and Father and i emphasize the caps in mom and dad.
This community has been great for me since I came here in the dark days of 2005 during the Bush Administration. We do not always agree, but I really feel that we can agree to disagree with one another respectfully here.
Ummm…yeah, I got that part. I’m not entirely stupid.
I’ve been studying Marx lately (another thing to thank Richard for), and I’m with you. Class is the enemy of the collective good.
Thanks for letting it out, and yes, this is a place just made for asking. When I was in MD, where I raised my kids, I felt much more hopeful, but had to come back to TX to watch after an elderly, bemused, mom. It’s scary to see the kind of solidity of the determinedly ignorant voting base, here. I can’t see wanting your kids to be abused, economically and in the environmental crisis we’re creating, but in TX it’s a source of pride to those that adopt it as their own group. I think it will produce a strong reaction and our blue voting numbers will grow larger, but sometimes I despair.
Thanks Margaret.
I was torn about my vote, and am torn in my personal concerns. I have so many friends, family, and loved ones in your generation. Your generation stood to lose the most if Romney was elected. The systemic attacks on the social safety net scare the hell out of me, and leave me concerned for the retirement safety of folks like my dad and mom.
We’re in a very shitty spot, and I guess I’m just casting about for the path forward. I don’t think Obama is the right answer, but he is certainly a better answer than Romney would’ve been.
I just want to say what our beloved SD used to say, Never. Give. Up.
We do have an uphill battle, but we are fighting for you and your family. We have to keep on keeping on. We all do better when we all do better!
To be perfectly honest, I was hoping that some of the commenters who have disagreed with each other would join this conversation. PUAC has been a space in time where we’ve gotten to know each other through conversations on topics which touch everyone. And, a huge benefit of getting to know each other would be creating a trust that would allow respectful discourse on issues that we disagree on.
I just feel tapped out from articulating all those feelings. Pouring it out on the page, ya know?
You’ve done a whole lot that’s helping all of us. So good to see how NM has advanced, and become a livable environment, so much of it. Spare a bit of sympathy for those of us east of you who’re working hard at creating an environment where good thought and good behavior can prosper. Arts can be rewarding, but also frustrating as you know.
I too live in the great state of Indiana. So I’m in a distinct minority, as are you, unless you live in the few blue areas of the state. I regulary meet with around a dozen old guys to BS over anything. I think the Rs have us outnumbered like 10 to 2. Anyway these fellas think Obama is a left wing socialist. When I try to object along with my friend, they mock us. On Wednesday there were long faces all around. So I gently reminded them when you exclude minorites and threaten to deport twelve million and invade the bedroom, you might have a problem. I actually think a few of them listened. Nice try anyway.
I am an optimist. Here is some good news I garnered from this week’s election results.
The Democratic Party ia starting to reap the benefits of championing women’s issues. The new female Senators from Massachusetts, Wisconsin and North Dakota are proof of this. Going forward I expect to see many more liberal women gain positions of power through the Democratic Party. This is change you can believe in.
I’m not sure if you followed my story over the late summer, but we succeeded here at the local level in increasing property taxes to fund public primary education. We closed a $5 million a year budget gap for 5 years.
We did this while setting records for early voter turnout (excluding national presidential elections) and garnering over 70% of the vote.
A hopeful sign, this. When we went to our neoconservative neighbors and asked them to help our children, they were willing.
100+ comments before I can even get here! Wow.
Thanks Ruth for a wonderful post and host.
Good morning all.
I’m with you, bud. I look at what happened as what I expected to happen and that my third party vote in a swing-state, WI would likely not make a difference in the outcome. But I busted my ass for the local candidates to replace the known cronies and Walker yes-men and national TP incumbents.
Showed up breifly at the beginning of each of half a dozen OFA training sessions that were not clearly advertised as such in the newsletters, to ask in front of pretty good crowds, if we were going to get a chance to ask questions at this meeting or not and walked out, after clearly making a point about TPPA or drone Tuesday or something relevant. There was an attempt to publicly humiliate me when a local D exec refused to call on me when I raised my hand and no one else was doing so, by saying in front of 50 people, “Oh, I know what you are going to say,” and I responded with a thank you for recognizing me, madame chair, and I went into a calm comment that I had prepared, ignoring her gavel until I was finished. Politely called BS at every opportunity.
Top-down OFA interference lost us the gains of the recall. I’m not angry, just understanding where I need to focus next to avoid the scenario you outlined in your first paragraph, based on the election results I had already predicted to myself.
Right! When I hear the welfare for corporations Creators soothing voters with the message that if you’re already past 55, you’re safe so don’t work to protect coming generations from theft of their security… I think no one, absolutely no one, would accept that. But I’ve heard some ‘pundits’ saying that would bring FL over to vote red, and to some extent it seems to have done that. Abysmal lack of character, imho.
Thank you for coming back with that. I won’t disagree with hardly any of it. The wheels turn very slowly as you will see as you get old and gray like me. Obama drove the fucking get-a-way car for Bush and company, same as it ever was. This had me throw him under the bus right off the bat. But I have faith in you younger people to see the many things that are just wrong with this country and change those things. After about six more elections and myself, pass into time, you’ll see what I’m saying and it is up to you Kris. Teach your children well and your hell will slowly go by.
I hear you, and we have been in the wilderness here too. Our governor and her allies in TX launched attacks against our Senate and House leadership, and she was successful in removing two of her 3 targets. What remains to be seen is if the leadership will regroup along more progressive lines, which would be the shatinpanzfreud that demi mentioned earlier. Then we need to make her and the R SoS into one-termers. Terrible what they are trying to do.
But you know, our legislature is very accessible, so that’s why it is good to work on local campaigns. I did not do anything for the US races, though I know our new US Senator and our new Representative, and I did not help Obama, but I certainly preferred all of them to the other side.
I guess I know, but I’ve also realized that whether it’s just your personality or your youth, you can be a bit of a drama queen. Remember when you considered going postal when your wife wanted to take the girls out in the rain for a game? So, postal = extreme concern and hollowed out = emotionally drained?
I think you’re a doll and I appreciate your youthful passion and perspective in the discussions at the Lake.
Thank you again. I just left the discussion to view the memorial.
Thanks, keep up the good work. The ‘socialist’ label means a lot to the red voters, until you point out that what is involved in social supports is the basis of Christianity, and is a better use of taxpayers’ funds than support of corporate welfare.
Obama is a symptom of the problem, not the solution, yep. But voting Rmoney or refusing to vote to “teach them a lesson” or whatever has been discredited so very many times yet people still stubbornly cling to it until I believe that’s more about revenge and making one feel good about ones’ self than it is about a useful strategy. In the end though, I didn’t vote for Stein largely because she seemed not only unprepared but uninterested in being President.
There are signs that, at least in our county, attitudes are ever so slowly changing. Nice to see. Heard from more than a few R’s this week that they could not vote for Romney/ Ryan because they were just so god-awfull on myriad issues important to the middle class. Even my very best bro, staunch libertarian, voted for President Obama. A very big deal.
I did see some account of what you were doing, and congratulations! A little rational thought makes it through the worst efforts of the Creators, especially when they rake in public funds without producing a viable business community with disposable income that a consumer economy must have to survive.
Thank you for your seemingly tireless activism nonq. You folks have done some great things in WI in the last 2 years, and have inspired many more across the country.
I personally credit the 2010 actions of 10s of thousands in WI with inspiring me to get involved at the local level.
The uptick of women serving is a very bright spot in this election, thanks for mentioning it.
Many, many people think of themselves as “conservative” or “moderate” because the right wing has done such a masterful job at demonizing words like “liberal”, “progressive” and “Democrat” but when presented with liberal ideas, they overwhelmingly support them, provided that they are not presented AS liberal ideas.
I hope so, spuds, and I hope you live to see that day.
Thanks for dropping in, we have a good group at PUAC, and it’s always worth coming for the participation here.
I also ought to mention that Phoenix Woman has a post above, reveling in the voters’ rejection of bad legislation ALEC has been perpetrating.
Good morning everyone. Lots of snow here & for the rest of the weekend, which is really needed for our mountains. Didn’t canvass or contribute as I did (a lot) in ’08 or ’10 except for a local veteran buddy who was running independent for state office this year.
About all I’ll say about the presidential outcome is that neither of the two candidates are morally fit to run the country, but Mitt was the most repugnant by far, and as far as Obama – we’ll see (not holding my breath for him standing up for the 99%). So I had to vote my conscience and pulled the lever for Jill Stein. Rocky was the other choice, but he started way too late to gain any momentum.
I did post my son’s Ron Paul sign from ’08 in the yard, just to piss off some of the Mormon Romney-bots in my neighborhood.
For anyone whose comment I haven’t responded to, my apologies, it’s been busy and I try but don’t get to answer everyone I want to.
You are not the least bit stupid… you are rather quite cunningly brilliant! :)
I learned a new blog shorthand term this week from my son.
TLDR.
Anyone else know that one?
I certainly am a bit overly dramatic at times :) Thank you for noticing. It’s nice to be noticed.
Thanks all, and keep on working. It makes a difference. We got rid of the death penalty in NM, it took years, but it is gone, unless the governor is successful in bringing it back. And we got paper ballots and great vote audits too, grassroots efforts with help from some of our best representatives.
We are seeing grassroots efforts that have brought change, just as Kris did. But it takes work.
Have a great day, we can’t sit back.
I think I must have missed a few also, but you are quick as a whip and I so appreciate this post and the nice things you’ve said, about me and others. A treasure, you are.
You are exactly correct. So many things, progressive tax structure, equal rights, uniform voter access, equal pay, all liberal ideas, when presented without code-speak or spin are supported by the vast majority of Americans. I live for the that someone with a national voice stands up and tells the red beenie brigade, rush, sean, grover, et al to sit down and stfu.
Agree, and while my experience is different, your choice to do the best you can with your vote is much easier for me to understand than the choice to throw it away when the cost is much too high to bear.
The abuse of language by the pundits and think tanks has had a huge impact of conversation. Since we are forced to use a limited lexicon, defining and coloring meaning changes the conversation and their for one’s understanding of messaging. Notice how the gay’s embraced some of the language which was used as slurs. Or feminists with their *slut walk*.
Liberal is a word whose meaning has been destroyed and distorted.
This blog post by Marshall Auerbach is an intresting perspective on this election. He takes it back to Jesse Jackson in the 80s. And he suggests this may be the beginning of the end of neoliberalism where people are manipulated and vote against their economic interests. He thinks this is true even, as he expects, Obama’s grand bargain will offer up SS and medicare on a silver platter, as he says. It is a last gasp. I hope he is right.
How could I not notice you? You’re so handsome and thoughtful. And, I love your parents.
I like to notice aspects of a person that helps me understand them. It’s a little trait I have to suffer. :)
Sad to say, I know a few die hard supporters of Ron Paul who really mean it. Welcome, and hope your snow is beautiful. We get so little, I love the few times we do have some here.
Not to mention that many issues are more complex than any tag line can convey. Thinking does requires stringing sentences, thoughts together and understand logic. In a twitter world there is little change for the complexity to be understood. We’re trapped by tag lines, logos and branding thinking.
Ryan lost big in his own hometown. The gerrymandered inclusion of Waukesha (the state cradle of the crazies, with a large concentrated population in a small geographical space), into Ryan’s old district, saved Ryan’s bacon from being smoked off of the public dole for the first time in his career.
Thanks, I try and so far don’t think any of us has committed any real harm. We are better for sharing, here and even elsewhere too.
Well pups, this has been a good discussion, without ire and vitriol. Thanks Ruth for the post and the host. I’m going to get started on my chores so keep the faith and thanks for being such a wonderful community.
I had the pleasure of hearing Robert Reich tell Grover on CNN that we won, get over it. Still smiling.
Right you are, the actual beliefs we libruls have are shared by most rational people. When we talk it out, it removes a lot of the myth created by the Creators of corporate welfare.
Spot on. Some of the credulous simplicity makes me want to pull out my hair. Almost nothing in politics is simple or black and white. The world is far too complex for simplistic answers usually.
You’re so right. Our national dialog has devolved into soundbites. It is difficult to engage with that limitation.
However, I saw, last Tuesday, the wholesale rejection of conservative bullshit all across the country in spite of billions of dollars and 4 years spent attempting to persuade us vote otherwise. At the very least it gives me hope.
Don’t break a sweat on those chores, hon.
And, come back in a bit because I’m making cinnamon bisquits which will be ready in a little while.
(((Margaret)))
I won’t give you shit Kris,
but I’d happily recommend that passionate response for a diary.
Hear, Hear.
I had so hoped that y’all would send that POS packing. Maybe in 2014.
Okay, the answer is:
TLDR = Too Long Didn’t Read. For what it’s worth. Prolly not much.
Seemingly tireless it might appear, but in actuality it takes a lot of outside regenerative activities to come back each time. Taking pause to evaluate where one may have the best effect with least expenditure of personal resources is still an ongoing learning process.
That’s a start!
OK pups I’m out also. Have a great weekend all. Thanks again Ruth.
Since Prez Obama has said that he’s not giving Social Security up, and I see no indication that he will, I believe him. I think that the change to medicare is also what he’s said, cutting out waste. I was one of those he polled while running for the office in the first place as to what was the issue most important to us, and I chose as the majority did, health care. We have some gains to make on many fronts, but this is the first health care this country has gotten. He has not disappointed me.
Thanks for that news. Janesville is special to me since the maternal side of my family came from there to Illinois. Cemetery there is their burial site.
What about the Clerk in Waukesha County? Is she out now that she has done her damage to the electoral process?
Always great to visit with you.
“I guess I know, but I’ve also realized that whether it’s just your personality or your youth, you can be a bit of a drama queen.”
Projection is us. And what age is the correct one?
Thanks JC. I won’t turn it into a diary, but I appreciate the thought.
I’ve refrained from commenting on this election cycle for the most part. The abuse I’ve seen handed out on these pages of late has been disgusting. I didn’t want to hang a target on my own back.
I think putting that comment into a diary would hang a target on my back for some around here, and I’m not interested in defending myself.
I expressed myself here simply because I know PUAC is a safe place, a calmer place than most of the intertoobz, and above all a respectful place.
One of the funniest lines of the campaign just past was Rmoney of the ‘obamacare’ and ‘class warfare’ lines accusing Prez Obama of word games for bringing up Romnesia.
Mmmmm, cinnamon bisquits!
I think the people got scared of the racist top down F you attitude of the right and felt that they had to reject it or the boot was going to come down harder on the neck. This time I don’t see this as an affirmation of O but a rejection and fear of the right.
The several races I’ve worked in always have that down side, that everything we can do isn’t quite enough, ever. I’ve been in retirement a couple of times until I had to come back and try again.
Good to have you join us, always come back please.
We are not in disagreement here, Ruth. Auerbach, I think, is giving the worst scenario and saying even with that the neoliberals and the Kochs and Petersens are on the way out.
I find the public media *discourse* so insufferable and disingenuous that I can no long watch TV or read MSM rags. I’m sort of out of touch with that nonsense living in a quiet place of despair… seeing only the occasional wisdom in such places such as FDL.
Agree with most everything you said, Kris. I worry about my kids’ future because of the threats to the social safety nets, and worry bout my grandkids’ future because of the poor outlook for affordable education or decent-wage jobs when they reach working age.
John Doe investigations have not disappeared, Talgo trains just sued Walker for breach of contract this past week, $50M, for Walker refusing $800M DOT rail money the first week he was in office, which prompted Talgo to leave Milwaukee and WI not honoring the prior contract. W’s $34M gamble refusing Fed health insurance exchange planning money, that Walker claimed obviously would not be needed, when Romney won and overturned things, is another bet he lost. Ryan may be facing charges of misuse of campaign donations from fereal elections in the state contest. Lots can still happen yet if we shake the tree just a little.
Most people I know voted Obama but none of them voted for Obama but against Rmoney. That’s something that will be entirely missed by the ruling and chattering castes. Already has been. :-/
Around any election time, some of this nastiness does occur, but usually goes away after the votes are in. So glad you do come around, and share your thoughts with us, and do your very good part.
federal not fereal, sorry.
Spot on Margaret.
Hopefully you’ll find more to encourage you, and something more you can be part of. Thanks.
Agree, we all can benefit from sharing and discussing things. And glad you dropped in.
During the OWS demonstrations of last fall, we had a pretty good contingent of perhaps 50 folks involved in my small Iowa city of 25,000, and for the most part the public was sympathetic.
Although I am in one of those rare areas that are overwhelmingly white and rural yet votes reliably democratic on the order of 60-40, like virtually everywhere most are dissatisfied with the 2 parties. At the same time, there are virtually no organized channels to express that.
So, I have decided to work with the statewide Greens–yes they actually have an office and a phone number–to help organize locally on local issues. There is also the wonderful Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement statewide organization–the folks that heckled congresswoman Deborah Wasserman Schultz at the Iowa state fair over healthcare as well as provoking Romney to make his “corporations are people too” statement.
I am 61, and also fear for the future of my son and two grandchildren.
I wish i could be more positive about this so called Win but the hyperbole in this diary is a little too thick.
Terms like Milestone Victory and Bastion Of Democracy ring hollow in my ears but too many people still seem to worship false illusions.
The only positive i see from this multi billion dollar charade was that 10 million more people refused to vote this time compared to ’08 and most of them witheld their vote from Obomba.
The party faithful will continue to celebrate their Pyrrhic Victory while we all continue our march down The Road To Perdition.
Shake away, hope the tree stands and the chaff drops out.
Did you notice Kris’ response at #26?
I would recommend the Auerback article I posted above. He does not really sugar coat it, but suggests there are reasons for hope, despite what you may think of Obama. The world is a changing.
The Road to Perdition being quite the rote phrase, I still do hope you’ll find your way Forward! (sorry, had to tease you)
Nice change of pace, Ruth and we all get this out of our systems a little bit with hopefully better understanding of events.
I hear some household chores demanding my attention and a kitteh telling me the bottom of the food dish is exposed.
Good news, the cat is adjusting to the forced human time change last weekend as far as her being a lot less distressed about her breakfast being late.
Thanks so much.
So glad to hear you have found an area where there is a rational group. When it comes to doing right or doing wrong for all of us, we have to make a choice and I always hope the best one is possible, for anyone.
What a great PUAC today! I can go to work today with a little better attitude. Thank you all.
Sorry. #126.
OT, but on the bright side, Tim DeChristopher was released from fed prison this week and will serve the rest of his 2-yr sentence at a halfway house. He will be working at Ken Sanders Rare Book Store, a progressive business downtown. And there is a free showing of the “Bidder 70″ documentary about him on Wednesday that the missus and I are planning to attend.
“…It’s not sheer politics to talk about what we did…
Say again?
Wow, I go to breakfast and the market and look what I missed. Damn. Great thread, everyone!
But the demographics of this country are changing. The white man is losing his grip on power and so too are the Kochs and Petersens. People are also leaving behind the old social issues. These things take time but it will be hard to reverse the demographic and the gradual increase in power of minorities and women. It is a message of hope, but not victory for sure.
Ruth,
Thank you for the PUAC hosting today.
Great start to the day.
Have a great weekend everyone.
Almost missed you, have not looked but she had a solid opponent.
Thanks, so glad to hear it.
Just shake the tree? / looks for keys for the D9 / Sees every Kris out there / does this bulldozer make my ass look big?
Thanks, a brave action and not a lost cause.
Just had to jump back in here;
Not sure what you’re reading here but the whole thing looks to me like a bunch of people discussing the fact thaty we didn’t vote so much for Obama as against extremism. But thanks for checking in.
Thank you everyone for your contributions, and I hope your day has an upbeat start, and goes well as you head out.
Thanks for the good company.
Have things needing doing, and I’ll check back later too.
Ok, why not, since you and I have managed I think to respectfully disagree. Everyone else please ignore, if it’s too outside the PUAC bounds.
I voted for Stein, but as a relative newcomer to FDL I was surprised to find many people who seemed intelligent and thoughtful, and had many criticisms of Obama, still inclined to vote for him. I made the decision to keep my mind open to their arguments (not those of the unquestioning Obama supporters, that’s a different story.) I tried to be polite and if I offended anyone it was unintended.
In the end, although the arguments didn’t seem sufficient to me personally, I think I understand the decision on the part of people who live in swing states. But in red and blue states where hundreds of thousands of people could have voted third party without jeopardizing Obama’s election, and made a big difference, if the numbers had been there, for public funding and ballot access in 2016, and communicated something to the Democrats that isn’t communicated by voting for them, I was sad to see that so many people didn’t make that choice.
Very clever way to tell me to go to Perdition Ruth. The problem is that we are All on that Road Forward.
LOL!!!
Hard to ignore that but in the interest of the amity at PUAC, I’ll just repeat that simplistic answers are not real solutions to complicated issues. Thanks for weighing in.
If you think a vote for Zero was a vote against Extermism you must inhabit an altered reality, Zero is the more effective extremist in this one.
Thanks Ruth for hosting, and have a great day!
Well, the two parties won’t last forever in their present form. And while I don’t necessarily succumb to the present belief that demographics have doomed the repubs–remember, they were declared dead in 2008–I do think the political system is in some state of flux, and until and if the duopoly parties figure out a solution, there perhaps will be more openings to alternatives.
If Obama’s grand bargain austerity gets done and the economy crashes, yet the repubs continue on in the 2014 midterms with their racist, anti-women rhetoric and agenda, perhaps more voters will question the legitimacy of the two.
Not holding my breath of course.
More minorities voting in a corrupt system just guarantees more corruption and is not a reason for hope.
I see we’ve attracted someone who doesn’t quite grasp the spirit of the conversation.
I’ll leave out on that note.
Thank you Ruth for the post and host. Thanks all for the conversation.
Have a great weekend.
Sure.
Oh look over there, a space man. I bet ya looked.
“…Everyone else please ignore, if it’s too outside the PUAC bounds…”
Excuse me, but what bounds? I respectfully suggest, that with this expansion, all bounds have been broken. This IS a political post, no two ways about it. Thank you, ruth, for dropping the former restriction! I add to the conversational mixture the following from an excellent article by Michael Hudson at counterpunch.org:
“At a potential turning point in the direction the American economy was taking, rescue and change were averted. We have seen what will stand as a classic example of cynical Orwellian doublethink. Promising hope and change four years ago, President Obama’s role was to hold back the tide and divert voter pressure for change. He rescued the financial sector and the 1%, and sponsored the Republican privatization of health care instead of the public option, and to take $13 trillion onto the government balance sheet in the form of junk mortgages, largely fraudulent loans held by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ($5.2 trillion alone) and other casino capitalist gambles gone bad. Mr. Obama was Wall Street’s white knight.
My bolds.
Agree with your last paragraph that it would have been helpful for people in those states to vote 3rd party, as it could have made a difference in 3rd party funding for next time. I can’t second-guess their motives for voting Dem in the blue states, perhaps fear that there wasn’t a majority, perhaps the wish to send an overwhelming message of rejection to Repubs.
Don’t agree with Margaret about simplistic answers; sometimes simplistic answers to complicated issues are warranted, it cuts through much of the crap. All I can say from experience is, follow your heart and your conscience.
Not gonna speak for Kris, since he’s apparently left the field, but my post at #199 as well as other details from Mr. Hudson’s excellent piece would furnish you with the details, at least on the domestic front (let’s not bring up the subject of drones, as that no doubt would be “political”.)
“… clearly Stein was more interested in making a splash than she was in actually governing …”
This isn’t clear at all. What is clear is that she was functioning in an atmosphere that totally ignored her political campaign. Do you think being chained to a chair for eight hours was something she actually intended to do? I will grant you that she did want to draw attention to her campaign, but why is that a fault? Occupy also drew attention to our police state when they were kettled and beaten. Politicians kiss babies, they wade into crowds, they do whatever they need to do to be noticed. Being noticed is part of being elected. To govern!
Why then did she put herself at this physical risk? I do think she wanted to govern, and beside that, she wanted to draw attention to the issues you say you believe in, Margaret, and I believe that you do believe in them.
You voted against those issues, Margaret. The Grand Bargain is coming right up. That will fill the coffers of the 1% for a little while at least. Okay, but it is not sustainable.
I put up my little yard sign a week ago last Friday, and after the election all the blue sign neighbors took theirs down, and I took mine down as well. And they brought me cookies, and we didn’t discuss the election. They are good people just like me. All of us now live in a very fragile bubble, and hope is deferred. But that is not because Jill Stein lacked leadership qualities. She did the best she could do, and that is all I ask in a leader.
Why are you chuckling, demi?
Really well said, Kris. Thanks.
Hmmm. In order to get thousands of people to vote for a third party, wouldn’t you need thousands of people who wanted to vote for a third party? Just sayin.
Thanks, wayoutwest. My thought exactly.
Sorry oldnslow. Last time I looked, you voted for Obama. You own him now. And I am very sorry for you. It’s a heavy load to carry.
I really meant that. Not snarking at all. I know how heavy that load is because I voted for him last time, and I’ve felt how heavy that load is. Hang in there, folks.
Now that’s breaking the politeness rule.
Thanks Juliania, i understand why the obama supporters need to justify their voting for the more effective evil. I wonder how they will spin the coming neoliberal agenda lead by their Savior.
Sorry to have made lots of comments here, but they were all polite. I hope someone comes back and reads and thinks a bit about the impression you give on this thread. Which is one, if you will pardon my saying so, of extreme satisfaction with the status quo and a shallow spurning of alternative points of view. I am sorry for Kris as no doubt he needs support but you are not giving it by welcoming him into your camp.
There were real issues being debated by third parties that will affect even the local ones you wholeheartedly support. Whatever your vote may have meant to you, it means something else to the oligarchy. They are the winners here, not you.
I can’t help it if you looked too. Sorry.
Good morning. Certainly you would need people to want to vote for the third (I believe in this case, and alternative) party. You can’t get people to vote for the alternative party unless you draw attention to it. o and mitt did many things to draw attention to themselves, but you aren’t critiquing them for doing so. How was Jill Stein going to draw attention to herself and her program if the msm were writing her and any others out of the pres campaign? Why did she have to be arrested and handcuffed to a chair? Did she pose an existential threat to the uniparty candidates? Those of us who did anything to further her campaign were told that we were wasting our time and detracting from the main event so we shouldn’t bother. OTH, we are told that we have to work to build a following. So without building that following, where do we find the thousands willing to vote for an alternative?
Yes, of course that’s what would be needed.
If that was a response to my comment, I just said I was saddened that what so many people wanted instead was to vote for the Democratic candidate as a LOTE in states where he would have won or lost anyway.
Just jumping in to tell you that the Koch Bros lost that one i.e. prop 32. I’m not from California, but have been watching a lot of their propositions and am sad to say the vote that I was most interested in lost (i.e. prop 37 – the one about GMO labeling). Big business (read Monsanto) won this round.
Here is a link to the results of all of the propositions on California’s ballot. http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/
juliania, you have captured my thoughts very well. I have even been called a troll for having expressed opposition to o on a thread that was extolling him. I have said, and I believe, that this election has driven a wedge into the firepups group that will not be easily overcome. The attempts to dismiss any comments here make it harder to heal the wedge. This site has been an oasis of good analysis, but I certainly don’t want to see it turn into another dailykos, or huffpo.
You folks want recognition? Bring back the Fairness Act so the 1% that own what you see and hear / MSM / are forced to include you.
I have a long time faith that my party will change with the times for the better, always for the better, because we communicate. My President is changing his cabinet out. I think he has heard us. And some new faces in the house and senate, are there because they arn’t afraid of the word vagina, will hold Obama’s feet to the fire.
Juliania,
Please stop by to a PUAC where the normal, “rules,” which Ruth lifted for today, are comradere and mutual support and absolutely no political proselytizing. Nothing you said is offensive or impolite. People here understand you and respect where you are coming from. I just have a sneaking hunch that some people are needing a respite from being combative in any way, for a tiny morning break from the usual give and take. The impression you may have picked up here from this thread is your opinion and you made it known. Thanks for your input, and with all respect, I feel you are painting this morning’s thread with a pretty broad brush. No one here does not understand the premise of your comments.
Not welcoming him into our, “camp,” is a bit over the top in imho, as you may not be familiar with the family setting that usually, “shares,” profusely and non-judgmentally, here, on many other levels than simply the political. No blame, no hard feelings from me. Nice of you to join in and please stop back on any Saturday and share a little more of who you are with all of us.
Exactly my feelings and thoughts,except I’m not 28. Sad state of affairs.
I’m also more than a little displeased with how many of the commenters here at FDL have disparaged those of us who didn’t plan to and didn’t vote for Obama. Naturally, I’m glad Romney won’t be president and I live in Texas which wasn’t in play. However, what can we expect from Obama in a second term.
We’ve got the veneer of civil liberties and a rule of law and democracy. And we’re looking at worsening all things safety net and environmental. I dread the next four years with this president.
No time for dread of the future for me. I agree with your view on pending likely worsening situations on many fronts, but I have been using whatever energy I can summon in planning and acting instead of dreading. Freeing experience and helps to clarify thinking.
Had to make a request to get some Flying Monk into the local grocery.
Cheers.
I just bought more today. A friend is taping Oliver Stone’s Untold History of the US on Showtime Monday and we’ll watch it Wednesday. I’ll be bringing my yummy vegan fettucine and Flying Monk. Let me know what you think when you get the Flying Monk. For us, it’s a local brand, made here in Austin.
And I agree about the doing part. I worked this cycle on the Austin school board elections. There were 4 up for election and we got all the ones we wanted. I always work on elections, usually night and day. This time I did much less as I’ve been working on healing my wrist and hand.
And I’ve signed up again to collect donations for the bands at our premier street band festival in March: HONK!TX. Funky bands, funky costumes. 3 days of skits, great costumes and great music. It gets people out and dancing and smiling. One of the very best events of the year in Austin, IMHO. It’ll be the festival’s third year.
I’m just glad it’s all over for now. What a dispiriting “election.” No, Storm Sandy didn’t deliver “the goods” for Obama. IMO, Lord Mitt was the one who “delivered the goods” for Obama by being such a rich callous greedy condescending arrogant know-nothing twit.
I won’t wait with baited breath to see if the R-Team “figures out” that the Southern Strategy on steriods ain’t working. From what I hear, Rush & Glenn are quadrupling down on the racsim, so: metaphorical bombs away & good luck with that.
I am *happy* to report that long-time mega-conservative in the CA 7th district was voted OUT in favor of much more progressive Ami Bera, in what was a very nasty campaign. I wish Mr. Berra well in his endeavors in Wash DC and hope that he is able to hold the progressive line there. Time will tell.
Best to all.
Trying an actual liquor store at the county seat this afternoon. The school board cringes wondering about what I am planning to bring up when I walk in. They are all very good and dedicated to actual education here, but simply want to operate without much public exposure. Summer is our big music season. Guitars, accordions and fingers don’t work as well in below freeziing temps. Drum head skins are prone to splitting on the downbeat.
Have a good afternoon.
Wow,220 comments! Ruth, you’re such a good host. Kris in TX,I hear you, I understand how you feel. I was feeling similar despair much of this campaign season. I actually feel a little better now; partly because I do believe Romney is a despicable human being, a bad leader (totally in the wrong direction, arrogant and autocratic, etc etc), and very dangerous to everything and everyone important to me. I think he would have set back the economy and the economic prospects of everyone outside his 1% for generations.
Second, and much more, the amazing turnout cheered me. Yes, it was terrible the way people were forced to wait in long lines to vote, and while some was incompetence, much was entirely as governors like Scott and election officials like Husted wanted it.
and yet, people refused to give in, and waited for hours to overcome the blatant attempts to deprive them of casting their votes.
What that said to me is that education works; that the word got out, and people got mad enough to act, even though it was very hard on them.
Now that they’re awake, I think many will pay more attention, and that has to be a good thing.
Yes, on balance, that’s what cheered me most about this election.
Hang in there, Kris, the pendulum swings, but you’ve already achieved good things on the local level, and you’ve learned, your community has learned, and both will benefit. You’ve done good.
Florida has now been called for Obama giving him 332 ev’s to Romney at 206. I don’t know what they call a woopin in some places, but around here…..
Thanks for the post Ruth, nice family you have here. Stuff to do.
Thank you, nonquixote, I’m sure that is kindly meant. I expressed what you described in talking about the lifting of signs in my neighborhood and the bestowal of cookies – however, this is a public forum even if privately owned and rules established. I tried to point out that this is not as objectively done as members of the ‘camp’ might suppose they are doing – which is certainly understandable. We are all pretty subjective by nature.
I suggest a tiny morning break is difficult to create here in a public forum. Here, some folk are obliged to be very careful what they have to say, while others can dig and delve at will. Those who get stuck because they express an objection to the general ‘take’ won’t perhaps be appreciated, and rules will be spelled out to explain why, as you have just done.
It was of course my own personal opinion that entering the Obama support camp wouldn’t be helpful for Kris, and of course I could very well be mistaken. Just as Margaret could be mistaken about her opinion of Jill Stein. These are subjective areas, and we can be called to account on them without wondering what rules we are breaking.
My subjective opinion relates to the issues raised by Michael Hudson’s excellent article, which I notice is also linked by Yves at nakedcapitalism.com. It was in the spirit of that article I made the comment, because I do think supporting Obama only sends him the message we like what he’s done in the past four years, and like Kris, I don’t.
If I find that beer greenwarrior suggested to me, I’ll send one your way. Would be nice to talk sometime, I’m sure. Teen transportation duty calls.
Thanks for the update Spuds.
I did. Why is Kris’ age such a topic. If someone is black or gay or female or male we don’t go on and on in a paternalistic/maternalistic manner. They deserve a great deal more respect meaning they are people first and foremost. Especially now that in the last two elections they have demonstrated more wisdom with their vote than any other age cohort. Add in their work with the “occupy”.
Younger people as a group are wiser voters than any other age cohort!!!!
I really like to know where you get the idea that there was amazing turnout for this selection. Obama got about 10 million less votes this time compared to ’08 and Willard got about the same as McCain did. I believe the number eligible to vote increased since ’08 so that 10 million is smaller than the total who decided not to vote.
If someone is black or gay or female or male we don’t go on and on in a paternalistic/maternalistic manner.
That’s what you honestly think I did or do?
It was a point of context.
I don’t know why you attack me, and I don’t care. Just scroll, as I will.
Please, please don’t.
The good news is the same as the bad news.
Anyone can say anything they want, regardless of context.
I try to keep all of this in a reasonable perspective.
Some interesting factoids from Google, the number of Millinnials increased by about 30% from 48 mil to 64 mil between ’08 and ’12. The percentage of the vote by Millinnials increased by 3% from 16% to 19% in the same time.
It appears that huge numbers of younger people have said Fuck the Electoral System very clearly.
Glad you’re getting the use of your arm/hand back. It was hard for me when I found my pinched nerve interfering with simple functions, but have gotten used to it and really think the only thing that’s a problem now is remembering to take extra time. Otherwise I drop things.
Positive input is something good for all of us, glad you find that doable.
Agree, all that suppression effort got people turning out like they haven’t before, it was true in my polling place, in my son’s and several friends in VA, in spuds’ voting place, and of course in FL where they voted all night instead of letting the wingnuts keep them away.
Thanks for your always positive input, and always glad to see you drop by.
Thankfully, I know you’ll keep on keeping on, and thanks for your great good spirits and contributions.
Babe!
(Good to see so much Spuds here. I know, like me, he’s got your 6.)
You noticed I didn’t use the macro created for today. :) )
One last spritz of rain on this Macabre Parade in our Bastion of Democracy.
Those of you who voted for Obama with Eyes Wide Shut now own this muderous prick, whatever wonderful things he does for you and your Side you also had a chance to reject this evil and choose not to.
Whatever disgusting austerity package he feeds us here at home or vile bloodbath he instigates abroad you can cheer with pride because you voted for him and gave him the Mandate he needed.
What is Flying Monk? Teh Google is no help at all. Is it some sort of liquor?
Sore loser, it seems. I am quite glad that Romney managed to lose, but Gloating or saying mean things (supra) is really not attractive or fitting in this thread. Hope you are very proud of yourself.
Apparently it is a local ale from Austin TX. I had to look it up too.