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(Picture courtesy of Perke at flickr,com.)
Good morning, Thursdays on Over Easy will be a visit to the world view, and continue Southern Dragon’s tradition of visiting media outside the usual sources.
Let me first wish you a happy Diwali/Deepavali, now being celebrated in Hindu lands like India. It’s a holiday of lights and flowers, beginning November 13 and lasting five days.
Deepawali or Diwali is a festival of lights symbolizing the victory of righteousness and the lifting of spiritual darkness. The word “Deepawali” refers to rows of diyas, or clay lamps. This is one of the most popular festivals in the Hindu calendar. It is celebrated on the 15th day of Kartika, according to the Hindu calendar. This festival commemorates Lord Rama’s return to his kingdom Ayodhya after completing his 14-year exile.
Not so happily there is intense tumult in Gaza, as an aftermath of Israel’s successful strike against Hamas leader Ahmed Jabari and bomb strikes against each other by the two factions. Israel claimed the bombing was begun ’after appealing repeatedly to the international community to intervene to stop the rocket fire into Israel from Gaza’.
Iz al-Din al-Qassam, the military wing of Hamas, tweeted the following on the Twitter online social network: “@idfspokesperson Our blessed hands will reach your leaders and soldiers wherever they are (You Opened Hell Gates on Yourselves).”
Reports of strikes this morning that killed three Israelis and came from Gaza were coming in.
Recession officially returned to the Eurozone as strikes in Spain called on the government to relieve economic crisis for workers suffering under the austerity measures intended to appease financial institutions’ problems.
Efforts to replace Syria’s regime have achieved the emergence of a common front for the opposition, and ‘Moaz al-Khatib has been elected the president of the new Syrian Opposition Coalition’. While most Middle Eastern countries have recognized the new unified front, western nations are unfamiliar with the imam of the most prominent mosque in that country, and uncertain of the goals which will be the aim of the opposition.
The upcoming expiration of Kyoto protocols has been cited as urgent enough to defer action on more stringent emission controls by Brazil’s Ambassador Luiz Alberto Figueiredo to Doha conference to take place in Qatar. Projections of an estimated 6 centigrade warming has been issued by consultancy giant PwC to be announced today.
Hope that catches us all up to some degree on the rest of the world after a few weeks of saturation with U.S. political wrangles, and a momentous election.
Thanks for stopping in and welcome to those not usually among the Dinerzens who join in reminding us all;
Never.give.up.
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ZED!
Oh, wait…
Good morning, Ruth! We’ll have to figure out how to find these posts. I finally searched on your name.
Thanks, and it took awhile to appear. I checked and it had published, so maybe scheduling a few minutes ahead of the hour would give a chance for it to bubble up. Now I find it published.
Good morning, fellow dinerzens.
Thanks for the post Ruth.
It’s now at the top of MyFDL Recent Diaries. Maybe I didn’t scroll far enough on the page.
I’ve been hearing a lot about the Middle East, Syria, etc. and none of it lets me rest easy at night. Thanks for a nice collection of links, Ruth.
Directions: Walk right in, it’s around the back, just a half a mile from the railroad tracks.
Polo. Found you.
Good Morning, Ruth and Molly.
Yes, Ruth, those eggsies are looking good. I never thought to slice soft boiled eggs in half.
And, I personally do not like the smell of intense tumult in Gaza the morning. Or, any other time.
Watch MoJoe talk about McCain/Lindsay (and their avatar in waiting Ayotte) and their crazytalk about Susan Rice.
McCain doesn’t want to push a Watergate style investigation…he wants a Whitewater investigation. Sore losers.
Can I eat anything I want?
Welcome, you don’t mind the picture of eggs, I hope, and yes, I found all too many links indicating disaster happening amid the hopeful signs in too many countries. Getting out from under autocracy isn’t just about pushing aside troglodytes, like it is here.
It would be helpful *WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE EDITORS* if we were front-paged as SD was…
Good morning msmolly. Thank you Ruth for the post and host.
The wingnutterie cannot accept their own loss, and the one who showed them up is always going to be the object of efforts to overthrow him. The good of the country has been long forgotten if they ever had any thought of it.
Good Morning, JC.
How’s the weather in Illinois this morning? We’re having Goldilocks weather here. First it was too hot, then rain and cold wind, then yesterday it was Just Right. I got a lot of work accomplished in the yard. 15 minutes at a time.
Israeli’s were actually killed. That gives the IDF all it needs to do all it wants. I wonder how far they’ll go, last time I think they crowded all of Hamas fighters into an area a few blocks across that included the hospital. Israel CLAIMED they stopped the attack because of the hospital, even though they claimed that the hospital was being used by Hamas as their military and political headquarters.
I think those two simply want to fight, no matter what their leaders say.
Boxturtle (A pox on both their houses)
I suspect that won’t happen, at least not right away. SD’s Lakeside Diner started as a front page post (he wrote it at the main FDL site). It will be up to Jane and the editors whether to give us that spot again.
Thanks, we’re top billing on the side. As nice as it would be, there are standing agreements to get placement front page, and we are getting just as much attention.
And, we wouldn’t hog up the space at myfdl, plus those bitchin’ tools. But, I’m happy living with whatever space we can afford.
Morning, Kris.
It’s a hard call, but being dispossessed rankles a few centuries.
Syria worries me. There are enough stupid people in positions of power in Washington who are eager to take out another Moslem Ruler. And would likely have done so, if the Russians hadn’t warned that they would back Syria to the point of putting in Russian peacekeepers.
For once, we should take our lead from Israel. Until shells land in US territory, we should keep our hands off. Unless Russia comes to us and offers a solution we can work with.
Boxturtle (China and Iran do not matter if Washington and Moscow agree)
Thanks, it seems we can’t get a word about Gaza on TV here. As much as I like some of the hosts on MSNBC, they specialize in domestic affairs, you wouldn’t know there was a coordinated anti-austerity strike across multiple countries in the EU this week.
You have to stick with the menu please.
/ mumbles some shit about blue hairs…..
Yeah, Israelites are still pissed off about being marched off to Babylonia. And, a few other things.
I beg your pardon. I was looking at the hair coloring boxes at the drug store yesterday.
Aye. And if they chase Rice away, do they really think they’ll change Obama’s policies? He’ll pick somebody else to do what he says.
The president should be able to put together his own team. Rice is as qualified as anybody they confirmed for Bush at least.
Boxturtle (C’mon, Senate! make sure she’ll kiss Israel’s ass and move on!)
Status from Kentucky point of view. It is now 0727. Just a few minutes ago I checked, knowing about the 5 AM West Coast publishing time, and it was not yet here. Got coffee, re-checked, and it was recommended with 16 comments.
It saddens me that there is more Israel/Gaza conflict with deaths resulting.
The Thursday worldview approach is great, Ruth, thanks. For example, I never knew that India, a country with a population of 1,241,491,960, even had a holiday with lights and flowers. I think we need that here!
Thanks Ruth. Happy Over Easy all. (it’s my Friday)
Haven’t seen the ZED in a while. Thanks for the smile this morning msmolly.
My impression is that this is essentially Jerry’s Famous Deli.
Only better.
Hey, C-S. I saw a bird the other day near my house that I thought looked like a crane and thought of you. I talked to a neighbor who told me I probably saw a loon. So, that wasn’t you, for certain. :)
A few people have gotten inside to report from Gaza, but seeing that they desperately need western sympathies on their side has hardened Israeli policies against allowing access. We had Southern Dragon putting up the outside agitators known as foreign press here, and I’ve missed it so will be doing some of my own here.
and if he picks anyone else they’ll crow that they cowed him.
Oh, of course you remember Jerry’s. Once, when I was switching jobs from NBC to Warner Bros., my job interview was over breakfast at Jerry’s Famous Deli. Cwazy industry.
Yeah. You tell me which side you want to defend or prosecute and I’ll take the other. Israel crushes Palestinians. Palestinians respond with rockets. Israel builds in West band. the response is bombers. Israel builds a wall, the response is to refuse to negotiate.
Israel elects paranoids. Palestine “elects” crooks. Makes sure that the level of trust needed to even talk just isn’t there.
Boxturtle (*frustration*)
The romantic aspect of recovering their biblical heritage has blinded a lot of christianity to the side effect, that some one else lived there and expected to pass it on to future generations.
foreign press a welcome change from the tabloidy slop. ignorance is not bliss.
Any issue but the actual value of the public service, and the particular public servants.
I never knew about that holiday either. I’ve been reading about it this morning, I like it a lot!
Boxturtle (If i travel to India, I’m gonna try to hit that holiday)
I remember KrisA mentioning the other day that much of his work comes from India and it was a holiday and nothing was in his inbox. Was that Diwali/Deepavali?
Well, we could easily change that to
IsraelRepublicans elect paranoids.PalestineDemocrats “elect” crooks.Or you can reverse that.
“Christianity” blithely ignores that it is Palestinian Christians being driven out of places like Bethlehem. shallow thinkers, feckless sheepy followership being fleeced on this, too
LOL! Well now the loon is an aquatic bird the size and shape of a duck, whereas the crane is long-legged and long-necked, also aquatic, resembling the heron.
Cranes are mostly threatened or critically endangered.
True. But Obama has backed down so often that cowing him isn’t that much of a triumph anymore.
I’m giving him credit for back downs, rather than suspecting the result was what he wanted in the first place.
Boxturtle (It’s like bluffing my sister at poker)
Thanks, sad reflection of the times, death and destruction better than highjinks from aspiring celebrities.
Speaking of wandering jews, I’m reading a book about the murder of King Tut. I love reading about different cultures. Fun stuff.
My favorite Jerry’s in in Studio City on Ventura Blvd.
You can’t beat it with a stick, plus, if you go inside and eat sitting down (as opposed to the take-out window) you can very often spot a celebrity, it seems.
Yes. I was hoping it was a crane because we’re fighting to stop a strip mine going in nearby. But, I think it was a loon. I talked to the Stop the Strip mine and that’s what they told me. We’ll stop it some other way. We’re not giving up.
How did you come to select your nom de blog, if you don’t mind my asking. I often wonder how folks choose their nom.
The apartment I lived in for a couple of months when I first moved here had a “lake” behind it (in truth, I think it was one of those “lakes” that construction leaves behind. My sliding door faced the lake, and often in the morning there would be a heron perched there. And so many geese around here that sometimes when a bunch of them decide to cross the road, all of the cars have to stop and wait.
Just as mind boggling is how quickly the televangelists turn from fearing the evil moneychangers of recent pogroms, to defending their right to displace those darker sorts.
not to mention defending thei penises.
Charlatans.
They need their own coinage to compete with loons.
I’m in the middle of an interesting article by Spencer Ackerman (Attackerman formerly from FDL) at Wired.
How I Was Drawn Into the Cult of David Petraeus
I saw the link somewhere and went to read because of the author. It’s pretty interesting.
AC2 is in northern Illinois, I am across the river in NE Iowa.
Weather is beautiful here with highs in the 50s today.
A “loonie” is a dollar coin in Canada. LOL.
demi, JC is not from the Land of Lincoln. He, like me, is from where the Tall Corn Grows!
It is clear and cool (36).
Aren’t you the person who lives near Decorah where the eagles are? I follow them on Facebook and apparently after a lot of expensive cameras and other equipment to watch the nest, the parents may be building another nest and they’re not sure which on will be used this year.
report of the woman who died of blood poisoning in Ireland because of their zealot abortion laws a real heartbreaker.
meanwhile the global 1% pin medals on their pedophiles (Props to Jon Stewart re Savile. If JP’s such a saint, why all the pedophiles on his watch?)
it’s a messed-up world…we go out and sweep one little corner at a time. Thanks for OE today, Ruth. Now a cuppa to go, it’s time to head to the “office.”
Those pop-up lakes attract all sorts of aquatic birds, and hereabouts there are ‘stock ponds’ that wind up with populations that look lovely.
Sorry about that, chief. Got it now.
So, where is Mr. Canyon? Hmmmm. And, the other dinerzens?
Hellooooo, come out, come out, wherever you are.
We need “edit” here at MyFDL. *shakes fist*
G’morning, oldgold. I still remember, with much fondness, the summer my mom took me and my two sisters on a train trip to Moline. I remember the fireflies and fishing and the hand water pump in the yard. Pretty country.
Unfortunately around here mostly they attract geese. LOTS of geese. They are so messy, leave poop everywhere (including on bike trails where I ride along the St. Joseph river). Their fuzzy little babies are cute in the spring, though.
Have a pleasant day, Prairie.
I need the spell check back. But yes, edit would be really nice.
Thanks, it should be worth a read. Celebrity can have a really sad draw for impressionable sorts, see; groupies.
I see the convo has been fast since I stepped away.
Well done Ruth!
Stupid work interfering with my blogging again, this time before I’m even officially ‘on the clock’!
I keep a google window open (I know, I need to quit google) and if I a need to spell check a word, I slip it in there. Just a trick I use.
A problem that would be solved if we were with the main blog…
*WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE EDITORS*
I do the same!
That would be me.
oldgold and I both attended Luther altho he preceded my time there.
I heard the eagles were moving their nest but have not checked myself
Wacky minds and all. Got your high heels on this morning? Ha.
No heels. I’m wearing a scarf, though.
Bad hair day?
Glad you could stop by. We’ll be here all week!
;-}
Hey, Ruth. Remember the days when we could talk about Palastine and Israel without there being a food fight? Funny how things change around here.
That’s Diwali your usual group is celebrating, isn’t it? sounds wonderful, and friends of mine from India wish we had one here, it’s so full of lovely touches like floating flowers.
Food fight! I should have posted a recipe too. Next time, for sure.
I mostly don’t need spell check. I need a way to fix my usual bad tendency to leave off the close parenthesis, or to get tangled up in a sentence like I did above. And left the “e” off “one” so it’s “on” and spell check wouldn’t catch that.
A little flat bread. Some humus and cucumbers, dates, dried apricots. I must have been in the middle east in a previous life. Love that stuff.
If in doubt, you can open a tab and type the word you’re wondering about in at the URL line, you will get a correct version unless you’re far, far from the right spelling.
Correct. It’s a time of year much looked forward to for their culture.
I consulted Ellie, and she thinks posting my soup recipe from the cookbook is OK, as long as I credit the source. I love the book and will put in a link to it on Amazon with my recommendation.
The soup may be the best vegetable beef soup I’ve ever eaten, and the broth is the secret.
I have to cop to using the google to spell. I have a dictionary but it’s in six chunks I try to keep in one pile.
See. Need edit!
She thinks posting my soup recipe from the cookbook on Food Sunday is OK.
I am a natural speller. I rarely misspell a word, I just “know” the correct spelling. Comes, I think, from not only good teachers in elementary school, but having been reading voraciously since I was 4.
My friends also are delighted to be included in Christmas greetings, but do wish we knew about others’ holidays.
Speaking of remembering things that used to be said here, people would often say Preview is your friend. :) Whatcha got in your tea this am?
I have a deep and abiding love of birds, and one of my favorite pass-times is folding Origami Cranes. That said, I have not folded a crane in quite some time, but I must get to work, because I give cranes, chained together, to my elderly parents for Christmas each year.
The paper crane is symbolic, with rich history:
I considered other names, having to do with scrap metal recycle, but Crane-Station seemed right, so I kept that.
I’m just glad that Ramadan shifts its dates. Several years ago, my family had to wait for sundown to have Thanksgiving dinner, because of the Muslim in our family.
The company I’ve been with now for a few years (well, we got eaten by a bigger company last year, but whatever) was founded by a group of 3 guys who came over from India in 1990.
I worked for this company when I was 16, and came back when I was 26. It’s a tight-knit little group.
We celebrate Diwali every year. In 2010 it was my responsibility to arrange the company holiday party, and we incorporated Diwali. To do this and get the traditions right I had to do a lot of research.
It’s a beautiful holiday.
That is true. My roommate in Ylvisaker was Ole Flintstone.
Online spelling also means not knocking the dictionary off your desk and breaking it up more.
/ cries from embarrassment, walks back to the barn.
Heh. Generic Splenda from Costco.
No Preview here either.
A majority of folks have no curiosity about Others. Small circle of friends.
Lovely. And neater than superstitions like throwing salt over your shoulder. Or rushing in front of oncoming cars to pick up a penny, which I am inclined to do.
I cannot spell my way out of a bag. Mason, on the other hand, can spell anything, thank goodness for small favors.
My spelling is getting worse as I age. Common, every day word spellings defy me, and I don’t understand why, really.
That’s nice! I don’t get the “station” part, though.
Origami is something I’ve always wanted to try, and never have. It is intricate and lovely.
Really? I have Preview in my Leave a Reply box.
But, you could always reread what you just wrote before you hit submit.
You made spuds cry.
No one here cares, get your ash back inside please.
Don’t do that. (please?)
Station:
Crane rhymes with train! LOL, yes. Only a crane-station, not a train- station.
Anybody seen Peasant Party? Where’s her smiley face?
Something I just cannot understand. Of course, I am ruint from living on Okinawa as a toddler, where I was fascinated by the differences.
I do think that some amount of the ability to spell is a talent and not a skill, in that skills can be taught and learned, while talents are innate and you have them in some degree, or not. I read that in a management publication, and it makes sense to me.
A woman who used to work for me many years ago was the editor of our division newsletter, and invariably misused “affect” and “effect.” I finally told her that whichever she was sure was correct, to use the OTHER one. I can’t explain which is which (although I’ve written rules about their use in a guidelines publication), but I just instinctively know which is correct.
Cool!
I love it!! LOL!
But the universe intended me to come upon that penny! well, maybe I could take a minute to let traffic clear.
You are correct. I guess I didn’t even notice. I should get in the habit of using it.
Too funny:)
Great memories, right?
Good stuff, and that said, I am very good with grammar. I have often thought that a grammar post might be helpful, you know, something discussing the ten most common errors, such as affect/effect, which is often misused.
She has a job that requires her to be available, and very seldom is around in the mornings now.
I have a strange brain. Like, when I see a PT Cruiser, I always think of Molly. Cranes = Crane Station. I’m a penny picker upper too. I always think of See a penny, pick it up and all the day you’ll have good luck. And, I always think of the Widow’s Mite.
Except, not accept, when she is. Still, shouting out to her.
I drafted a guidelines publication mainly aimed at my techie colleagues who tended to write announcements full not only of geek-speak but also bad grammar, punctuation and spelling. My personal opinion is that nothing at a university should be published with those errors.
It’s a PDF and I could share if anyone is all that interested.
My other hot button is punctuation. Even Paul Krugman puts periods outside quote marks — apparently blogs at the NYT don’t get the same editorial scrutiny. And of course in the UK, punctuation is done differently and periods are always outside quotes.
Another fun morning, Ruth and all, but I need to get moving. I said yesterday that my granddaughter’s birthday PJs aren’t going to make themselves, and apparently Grandma isn’t getting them made either! Today IS the day they will be finished!!
Have a great day, everyone. I’ll probably peek in later!
One that I’ve noticed a lot here, even with the Smarties, is their and they’re.
What about tomorrow with your post, as an addendum, since we discussed it today?
(and that will give me an excuse to peg in recipes!)
I agree. I cringe when I see the likes of a headline containing the non-word ‘alright’ or the misuse of capital/capitol.
I recently used a document like yours to resolve lay/laid…the past tense of setting something down.
I think it would be helpful if you went ahead and published your helpful primer. I’d bookmark it, for sure.
Ruth, nice job, as usual or should I say as always. Good to see friends this morning. Going to go read my King Tut book now.
(Whistling Walk Like An Egyptian as I stroll away.)
Thanks all, it’s been a really good morning visiting with you, and I have to say it was a good thing to do to search out the outside agitators, now must get something done myself.
I’ll check back later, do thank you for the good company and wish a good day to everyone.
Then rather than than and vise versa.
I’ve got tomorrow’s post all set, and I hate to amend it AGAIN (I’ve been massaging it all week). But I could do a separate diary as Crane-Station suggests. Since it wouldn’t appeal to everyone, I’d be reluctant to use it as my Over Easy post.
That would be “vice” versa. LOL.
“Israel elects paranoids.” Box Turtle @ 31
Well, you know a couple thousand years of mass murder, countless Holocausts, mass expulsions, forced conversations, and unrelenting, savage persecution by the Christian world is bound to have a rather sobering effect on any defined group of people.
What truly amazes me is that the world still wonders why Israel and the Jewish People as a group are not the most trusting denizens of this slaughter house called Earth.
And the eleventh commandment before Moshe dropped the third tablet was:
Be afraid, be very, very afraid.
Never Again! Never Ever Again!
This is a good resource:
Grammar Girl: Quick and Dirty Tips
There are categories of tips, and you can use the search box to answer specific questions.
I’m so glad you guys are keeping SD’s morning chat thread alive! Over Easy is my first stop after news in the a.m. just like the old days. Thanks.
Hi, Ruth! Tell your friends to come down to SA. We are having our third annual Diwali …I ‘ go look for a link with info.
How the biz building going? Do you plan to specialize in immigration law?
And I’m curious about the reaction when you tendered your resignation! We’ll be looking for updates from tejanarusa!
(Now, back to the sewing machine.)
That should have been directed to TJ at #126.
Ooooooh sewing! Whatcha makin?
Hi ysp, msmolly. On the Kindle where typing is a pain and slow…when the doenload on the laptop finidhes, I ‘ll answe your questions. ;)
“…forced conversations…” make that conversions.
However, if one reviews the history of forced religious disputations, especially in France, between Rabbis and Catholic Priests, when the Jews won the debates, pogroms were then instituted and thousands of Jews-men, women, and children- were slaughtered wholesale.
And the reason: See how crafty and wicked those Christ killing Jews are: truly spawn of the Devil.
quick stop for a refill on the cuppa.
Blogpost worth reading on just why the Republicans didn’t get all the white male vote…and likely won’t going forward. From one angry voter.
http://www.ericgarland.co/2012/11/09/letter-to-a-future-republican-strategist-regarding-white-people/
Tell your favorite Republican strategist about it…seems they’re all too busy talking about Petraus’penis this morning….
Haven’t seen this mentioned yet.
BBC Arabic journalist’s 11 month-old son killed in Israeli strikes on Gaza.
I e-mailed you and it got bounced back?
Just sayin’
Me
Hi:
How about meeting at Junior’s in West L.A.this weekend?
It would be nice to meet your husband also.
Me.
Just a note from my friend in Gaza, the internets are threatened to be shut down, not sure if tweeting too. But it is terrible, what is happening there. Sending love to everyone.
Back to lurking, had computer problems yesterday so did not stop in on the Over Easy.
I follow her on Twitter, and I am pretty sure it was her document that I used to resolve an issue. Good stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jTK67O1VkCc
Of couse, this story pales in comparrison to the four star sex scandal infotainment now being run on the six corporations own all your media propaganda stations .
Here are a few volumes from my library that you would probably find fascinating:
‘The Discovery of the Tomb of Tutankhamen’, Howard Carter and A.C. Mace, 1977 Dover
‘The Tutankhamun Prophecies, The Sacred Secret of the Maya, Egyptians, and Freemasons’ Maurice Cotterell, 2001, Bear & Co.
‘How the Great Pyramid Was Buildt’ Craig B. Smith, 2001, Smithsonian Books
‘The Lost Tomb’ Kent R. Weeks, Ph.D. 1998, Wm Morrow & Co.
Ah, here we are: the Diwali links and this one
lunchtime watching Anrea Mitchell with Kelly Ayotte chiming in against Susan Rice… Ayotte is starting to look like Lie-berman already…
Awesome Ruth,
Lunching here and then out again.
You did? Try again. It’s msmollynd AT gmail DOT com. Sometimes people leave off the “nd” at the end, since here I’m just msmolly. I used to work at Notre Dame.
I can put this in the comments tomorrow, but I’d be happy to email what is titled a “Publications Style Guide” to anyone. It is too complicated to try to make a PDF available on FDL, and it’s a bit too long and not of sufficient interest to make into a diary (or several diaries). Just email if you want it.
I am making a pink fuzzy fleece bathrobe (finished) and flannel PJs (almost finished) for my granddaughter’s 7th birthday next week. A friend with a very fancy embroidery machine is going to embroider her name on the robe.
Sorry I was missing most of the day. Just incidentally, my family has a large contingent of ‘conversos’, jews who converted rather than be slaughtered in the inquisition, who did come to and inhabit/invade south and central america. It’s hard to find anything horrible we different ethnic groups haven’t all done at one time or another, but no, I do not condone the bombs falling in Israel any more than I do the ones falling in Gaza.
I must nominate for line of the day, Martin Bashir on Idi Amin, that he got along with former opponents, even though he actually had eaten some of them. Sorry, I’m amused by extraodinary things.
Interesting use of the words “got along.”
Isn’t it! Co-exist works.
umm, eeeww!
Re: your previous post: I knew about conversos from Spanish language and Spanish and Latin American history in college, but did not realize how many were important settlers of Mexico, and especially northern Mexico, until I got here to the Southwest.
A friend of mine here, met at church, began suspecting her family was converso, and began researching. Eventually she converted (back, after 500 years) to Judaism. There are some interesting books, too, about families preserving certain customs that are or evolved from, old Jewish customs, without quite realizing why, long after anyone in the family knows the family history.
It’s logical, of course, when you think about it; los reyes catolicos (the famous Ferdinand and Isabella) forcibly converted Jews and expelled those who refused to convert in ….1492, the same year they sent Columbus off to the Indies…
It was perfectly natural that many would flee to the “new” land, and settle in the rather sparsely populated north where they’d be harder to find.
(Ruth, you probably know all that. But it’s not very widely known to those without a personal connection, so I couldn’t resist. I find this part of American history fascinating.)
Who’d have thunk New Spain, too, owed part of its colonization to people fleeing religious persecution?
Thank the Vegetable Goddess for that!
Sorry, that was for Ruth at #147.
good to the last drop…of the day