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Segment one:
The war against the big banks began Thursday night, when The DailyShow’s Jon Stewart nuked the ethical pretensions of the entire industry and its media shills. FDL’s Thers live blogged it here, with Attaturk’s take here.
Using CNBC’s Jim Cramer as both Exhibit A and an accessory, Stewart laid out a devastating indictment of the industry and CNBC’s facilitating, coverup role. As Cramer fumbled to defend himself and CNBC, Stewart showed clip after clip of Cramer describing stock price manipulation, insider scams, and how cool and easy it is to fool federal and state regulators.
And in the process, the "comedian" as Cramer tried to belittle Stewart with Joe Scarborough’s help, not only humiliated Cramer; he showed by contrasting example how shallow and inept most of the MSM has been in covering the financial scandal.
Segment two:
When Cramer tried to claim that he felt he could have warned his viewers sooner, and wished he had done a better job of pointing out the scams, Stewart replied (paraphrasing):
"I want the Jim Cramer on CNBC to protect me from that Jim Cramer . . .CNBC could be an incredibly powerful of illumination. . . It feels like we’re capitalizing your adventure . . . and you pretend it isn’t happening."
Stewart is telling Cramer, CNBC and the media generally that it’s not a game; that protecting us from the powerful is their responsibility, and they’ve failed. And with that, CNBC’s credibility crumbled.
Segment three:
The banking industry has been crowing all week, following Treasury’s continuing, uninhibited assurances that government will commit our money to keep zombie banks alive as much and long as it takes. By Thursday, BoA and Citi CEOs were so confident that their looting of the US Treasury has succeeded that they were arrogantly proclaiming no further need for bailouts, while Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase & Co. was lecturing everyone how unpatriotic it was to criticize the captains of wealth. Of course, these CEOs know that Geithner will be shoveling tens of billions into the banks via the A.I.G. wormhole.
But all that arrogance was before Stewart.
The whole country is going to see The Daily Show video, and I think (hope) it’s going to change the debate. Congress and the Administration better wake up, because the policy of just giving the banks and AIG all the money they demand, with no accountability, no conditions, and no results, while Congress and the Administration pretend they have no choice, isn’t going to fly anymore.
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Reports are that it was a smash. West Coasties can’t wait for air.
Rec’d.
thanks – can’t wait to see it (west coaster)
Worth waiting for. A tv moment like Cronkite on VietNam and Murrow on McCarthy.
Good synopsis.
Jon Stewart just made US history. This needs to go far and wide.
dugg
Dugg, too
History. A complete scorcher.
Thanks Scarecrow.
I really hope you are right Scarecrow.
Cramer rightfully embodied the criminal sickness… and yet he is not only walking free, still has his money, but he still has his forking job!
Americans lost trillions… will take generations to recover if we ever do.
Many thousands more need to be prosecuted. And CNBC should lose its license before sunrise.
I don’t think realy big things ever reverse course overnight, but sometimes, they stop and start to turn.
Crooks&Liars just got the clip up and it is masterful.
Jon Stewart calls out Cramer for posing as a ‘dew eyed innocent’, and then rolls tape of Cramer talking Inside Gamesmanship, about how easy it is to spread rumors that completely sink companies.
It’s one of the few times that I’ve had the sense that Jon Stewart is really reining in a huge amount of contempt and fury as he walks through an interview. I’m sure Cramer will be spinning on teevee again tomorrow, but the guy needs to be in jail with a whole lot of his buddies, including some of the staff at MSNBC. And nothing would please me more than to see the jackasses at WSJ right in their with them long enough to have a good, hard ponder about what they owe their readers — rather than their sources.
How in hell this much sh*t could hit the financial fan without the biz press highlighting it at least a year ago is an absolute indictment of the so-called biz press. Any biz press worth a damn would have highlighted the 30:1 credit derivative swaps well over a year ago.
To think that years of savings and retirement planning is sunk because of the rampant greed of fuckups who think it’s all a game is beyond reprehensible. Madoff needs one hell of a lot of company.
If these crimes had been committed in China the families of these criminals would be billed for the cost of a bullet.
Stewart didn’t just take down a buffoon, he indicted Cramer for criminal fraud, obtained a videotaped admission of guilt, and implicated the entire CNBC network in a criminal conspiracy. This is not only a landmark work of investigative journalism by Stewart. It is damning evidence of systematic stock market manipulation by a pack of filthy parasites.
Obama, where’s our Special Prosecutor?
I cannot get over the rather hilarious irony that there are “Bank of America” ads embedded in this interview as well.
Stewart’s Crossfire takedown was October 15, 2004.
Now that’s what I call lying in wait.
gooooood mornnnninnnggg fahr-dawg-lake …
n’ ..thanks scarecrow ..
Come on bro, “the whole country” has it’s head so far up it’s ass it can’t see the sunlight.
Imus showed clips and used the opportunity to promote Fox Business Network.
Actually, my preference is to reveal the entire truth of the global bankster conspiracy, how they literally own the political structure and fake voting system in most countries, how they work to ensure an even political split across the electorate to divide and conquer We The People, and how they’ve manipulate every boom and bust cycle and cause virtually all terrorism and ways over the past several decades (for their own enrichment and consolidation of power) – and in so doing, align the people of the world with the actual truth (not the artificial version we are brainwashed by on a daily basis), then go retrieve all of the trillions of dollars they’ve stolen and arrest/convict all of the top-level co-conspirators in the New World Order Crime Syndicate…
…But that’s just me.
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
Anyone wishing to connect all the dots and comprehend the entire truth has plenty of reading to do. The answers are available for those who wish to know the ugly reality of Fascism in America:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3820
The Word Is Treason:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3684
How could you expect any of the players in the financial world which is nothing but a huge scam and often poinzi schemes to do anything BUT shill for it?
The major corporations all benefited from the environment that the financial world created for themselves and the lies, myths and house of cards they built for themselves to live in.
They sucked John Q Public to play – took his money, his savings, his retirement and bundled them into huge stakes to bet and drive profits for themselves in bogus “financial instruments”. They were all making money hand over fist, especially the traders who win whether a stock goes up or down – they nick their transaction fee.
Remember when the pukes were clamoring to put SS into the market so people could make more than SS and have control of their retirement? hahahahahahahaha
Anyone who proposed that should have the tape looped played for them at any presser they hold.
Actually, I think you should view the entire interview again. One thing Stewart points out brilliantly is that the ‘trading rules’ were twisted in ways that actually HARMED companies.
Traders like Cramer drove down company share prices, suggesting the companies had very little value. Then the companies, unable to get money by selling shares, had to go to banks for $$ and got loaded down with debt. Then, the traders bought and sold banks — again, manipulating the priced value of bank stocks, and the cycle repeats.
Some of good companies have been destroyed by predatory trading practices. Our problems don’t stem entirely from corporations; some good, well run companies were damaged by predatory hedgers.
Don’t buy anything about the recent move up in the stock mart. It’s ALL totally bullshit – nothing more than a PPT-manipulated short squeeze, managed by the scriptwriters at the Fed and the Treasury, based totally on smoke and mirrors. First they rolled out Buffet, then Bernanke, then Geithner then Obama.
The buzz (scripted lie) is that “this rally could last well into summer” and that “Market-to-Market accounting” (ie: REALITY) will be temporarily suspended.
IT’S ALL TOTAL BULLSHIT – but it works, until it doesn’t. CNBS (the only name I ever use for the network) is owned and operated by the bankers – the same bankers who literally own and operated the Federal Reserve (which isn’t “federal” at all) and the US Treasury (a division of Goldman Sachs).
When Jim Cramer becomes the spokesman for your brand, you’ve got a major problem.
Here’s the entire Cramer confession video that Stewart used against him – which should get him fired and land him in prison, if this shit were actually regulated in any way and the SEC wasn’t actually a protection racket:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWVmlxhk-tU
As for CNBS being used as the primary outlet for the script writers to get the encoded message out to their trained monkeys (floor traders), note this diary from February 20th – predicting the set up and the short squeeze:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3778
They’ve been using the short-side speculators as fuel to power the markets higher for the last five years. They had to let the appearance of total market failure occur in order to load the boat full enough of shorts to create the illusion that this is in fact a legitimate rally – with actual buyers – in it for the long term. Nothing could be further from the truth, and CNBS not only know it, they are reading it directly from the fucking script. Steve LiesMan works directly for the Fed. He is their on-air spokesman, in the disguise of a reporter.
Right now on CBNS’s web site, you can read all of Jim Cramer’s reasons to believe that this “rally is real.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29666065
Every reason given is based on a lie.
The bullshit numbers that the government came out with yesterday regarding retail sales – including an upward revision of past numbers, was 100% bullshit. Citi simply lied about their “earnings.” THEY ARE INSOLVENT.
GE, the parent of CNBS, is for all intent and purpose, insolvent. You just loaned them $8 billion two days ago through the FDIC.
The United States Of America is in fact, insolvent.
Cramer and Kudlow are gangsters – Confidence Men – common criminals who should be in prison.
satisfying to see Cramer flayed.
Now Stewart can open up the lens a bit and widen his focus. There’s a whoe lotta others who deserve the same treatment Cramer got.
yep! good point.
Would that Stewart had done this kind of smackdown of the Sunday morning gasbag shows back before we lost so many and so much to Bush-Chee-knee’s war in Iraq.
Maybe he can get Fleischer and that ilk of vermin on to talk about it.
Who give a rat’s ass about the market? Never owned a share, and never will. It all made no sense to me from the moment I tried to wrap my mind around it.
Capitalism is consuming itself but the people have been sucked for their hard work for decades which is what capital does – extract wealth from workers. And boy did they ever and that continues as long as the taxpayers give money in the form of debts to future generations to the financial sector today.
No accountability is par for the course in that world and it just goes on and on and on.
Does anyone know whether JoeScar has weighed in yet this morning?
Not to my knowledge. But I turned it off around 7:45.
Does anyone care?
Does anyone care?
assuming that that isn’t a rhetorical question – yeah, I do.
That smug, vicious, conservo-pimp pos is in as much need of a good dose of reality as any white man I’ve ever seen. He’s at least as much of problem, by virtue of his mere existence, as is Cramer.
Rhetorical it was, and yes I do agree that a lot of corporate pimps need to be stripped of their epaulets.
if someone asked the question it probably follows that somebody cares
And now we see why the MSM is afraid of Jon Stewart! Love it. He’s terrific and this is why Jon’s young viewers are more intune to the truth than anyone who watches CNBC and Fox News!
Exactly how did Citi make a profit especially since they took nillions from the gov? If so, pass it right back and then report on your P&L.
I’m with plunger. complete lies and BS
read
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
watching my DVR’d version right now – whoa.
And Obi is in bed with the wrong guys on
the economy
Iran
missle defense
military spending
Afghanistan
national security
CIA
domestic surveillance
Cuba, Venezuela, Columbia, Peru…
health care
It was Karl Rove himself who spilled the bean on the disreality being perpetuated by the state/bank controlled media:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10…..38;ei=5070
It was during a press conference on Sept. 16, 2001, in response to a question about homeland security efforts infringing on civil rights, that Bush first used the telltale word ”crusade” in public. ”This is a new kind of — a new kind of evil,” he said. ”And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.”
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend — but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
Who besides guys like me are part of the reality-based community? Many of the other elected officials in Washington, it would seem. A group of Democratic and Republican members of Congress were called in to discuss Iraq sometime before the October 2002 vote authorizing Bush to move forward. A Republican senator recently told Time Magazine that the president walked in and said: ”Look, I want your vote. I’m not going to debate it with you.” When one of the senators began to ask a question, Bush snapped, ”Look, I’m not going to debate it with you.”
Media ownership study ordered destroyed
Sept 14, 2006
‘Every last piece’ destroyed
Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that “every last piece” of the report be destroyed. “The whole project was just stopped – end of discussion,” he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC’s Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14836500/
“You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein
15 August, 2006
that was the purpose, to create a war that would not be won, could not be won, so the president woud asquire dictator powers
it is impossible to win over a strategy, “terrorism” isn’t an enemy, it’s the strategy people use when they are under equipped compared to their enemy
the founding fathers were considered terrorists
Precisely. You need to stand reality on its head to understand the actual game being play. They win by losing. Lives lost (or fortunes lost) mean nothing to them. The globe is their chessboard, and we are all pawns. Only by revealing the entire truth, to everyone, can we regain our humanity. The ONLY way to accomplish that is to take back the airwaves from those who’ve used our politicians to steal them from us, for purpose of brainwashing.
– William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)
you act like you just thought of all this
no, he quoted the cia in 1981, that’s more then 25 years ago
Actually I have over a thousand documents archived from five-plus years of research that serve to reveal the entire global conspiracy and connect all the dots. When I write here, I try to assume that brand new eyes are coming to these thoughts for the first time, and not assume they know what I know.
For example:
There is no Osama Bin Laden. The man simply does not exist, and no one can prove that he does (it should be a simple matter to prove a positive). Every time you hear his name mentioned on the tee vee, as if he were alive, it is a lie.
Ok, what are you going to do with this information? Doesn’t it seem like FDL is sort of a limited audience?
I’m open to suggestions, Raven. I don’t think Keith, Rachael or John are going to invite me on to discuss it, and even if they did, it requires about two weeks to explain. I post it here to educate those who do have that opportunity to be interviewed on TV, and for those like John, Rachael and Keith – who have their own soap box – and who surely have their staff reading these very words.
Here’s some more evidence of market manipulation and CNBS’s role in it:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3565
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4059
interesting that statement
my friends used to look at me as if I had two heads when I informed them the media was NOT “liberal” it was corporate
everything they’ve been brainwashed all their lives told them otherwise
for the most part it was a pretty easy job demonstrating my point but there were some who simply refused.
cognitive disonance and all that
however now it’s pretty much accepted that the media is corporate, we are winning that war at least
by the way, a simple persuasive question that shows even the die hard that corporate media is not liberal
“have you ever listened to see who has the last word on any political issue?…listen now”
bing, done
watching the clip it looked like cramer actually came on to cede to all of jon’s suggestions.
it was bizarre watching jim actally say, “I’m gonna try that”, missing stewarts point entirely
also, isn’t it funny how little this man’s real personality is compared to his screen personality?
there are a couple of people here I’d love to see in person
by the way, on my drive to the coffee shop not a word about this smackdown
not a word
yet the santelli rant was all over, all the time moments and then days afterward
Hence my statement about “the whole country”
gramar question;
“Jon Stewart Makes Jim Cramer Exhibit A in Indicting Wall Street Bankers”
is there a word “indiction”, my dictionary has it meaning something other then past tense of “indict”
I would like to use;
“jon stewarts indiction of wall street bankers”
would that work?
how about, Stewart stuck a needle “in (Carmer’s) dick”
I think that works, yup, that’s better, will use that one instead.
raven, you are rare today and haven’t seen you in a long time, howz everything by you?
Swell, headed to Atlanta to watch some ACC Hoops and forget about all this.
lol.
actually – “indictment” or “indicted” re: “jon stewarts indiction of wall street bankers”
I think the word is indictment. And even NPR had a bit on TDS takedown of Cramer on its business news segment this morning. This WILL be as big as the Santelli rant, cuz I don’t think the MSM can ignore it.
I know the word is indictment, I am wondering about conjugating the word
The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid,
And the marshals and cops get the same,
But the poor white man’s used in the hands of them all like a tool.
He’s taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
‘Bout the shape that he’s in
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game.
Bob Dylan
1963
Stewart is correct when he says ma & pa’s 401K is keeping the market afloat so the Jim Cramer’s of the Shadow Economy can use for leverage until they get sick of their own games and then sell stock to plummet companies and ma & pa’s retirement!
And ACORN is being blamed? Oh for crying out loud! Idiots!!!!
Okay, going to work with the rest of the schmucks of America who don’t know a lot about the financial sector but enough to be bullshit.
I shall leave you with another gem from Zimmerman:
The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol
fwiw, JoeScar’s financial report section coming up after commercial break.
I’m thinking that Cramer’s virtual demise won’t come up….
I wish.
The corporations still own the media. GE still owns NBC and all of it’s spawn. I’ll be really surprised to see their formula change. And Geithner and Summers are still Glodman Sachs alums and loyal to the order.
I relished the show as did everyone who watched it. But it’s kind of like all the excitement we had about Libby et al. And Scoots got off with a commutation and business went on as usual.
I’d like to think that things would change, but our Jon is still the court jester. Yeah, he managed to get Crossfire axed. So what do we have on CNN now? Glenn Beck and a whole bunch of other nut jobs and tools.
Good morning everyone.
good morning revdeb – the corporations don’t own democracy now! (no corp or gov $, no advertising) and there is, to my knowledge, no better daily news program in the country. the more people we can encourage to watch/listen/read democracy now! the more we can fight back against the M$M. 1 hour a day, m-f. people don’t have to be news junkies to listen.
Yes, they are good, but they have a very small self-selecting audience. I don’t see it becoming a force outside our liberal/progressive matrix.
Sad, but realistic.
And as I said last night you can now watch the clips of last night’s show all over the internets. They’re everywhere.
i disagree – for two reason.
first, i don’t think most of the D oriented progressives, including most fdl commenters, watch/listen/read to dn! on a regular basis. there’s just too much stuff that amy goodman covers that is just not known here. we’re much, much more M$M focused here (and not just for media criticism, for news as well).
i really don’t know why that is, one hypothesis is that amy goodman and jeremy scahill types don’t do the pro-D spin that we seem to. every politician gets treated the same and maybe that irks D activists.
whatever the reason, we’re missing a lot that dn! watchers are getting. this has recently been brought home to me because some of the basic stuff re global economic issues (that dn! has covered at least in part for more than a decade) is completely off people’s radar here – they don’t even know that they don’t know. and right now that’s scaring the shit out of me.
second, for the general viewer (not necessarily D oriented), viewership has been skyrocketing. dn! is now on over 700 radio stations, some community tv stations, as well as satellite tv and the internet. it is available if we can get the word out.
i just don’t think we can afford to give up before even trying on the chance to educate ourselves and others about issues of such critical importance to these days.
Yes, I know it has wide syndication now but how does that translate into views? It’s on one or two obscure cable channels on my system and I don’t watch it because of timing or because I don’t have the hour at one sitting to give it. THe production values made it hard to watch—dark and blurry—and frankly, I’m really busy these days. If I don’t watch it and I’m somewhat of a news junkie, then I would imagine that the numbers of eyeballs she attracts isn’t large enough to move anything. At least not now. Will this change? I don’t know.
I’m rarely here anymore—a variety of reasons, but mostly I don’t have the time to focus on this while having to attend to so many pieces of my job.
Anyway, I do think that the media—other than Amy—will continue to be the corporate shills that they are. Rachel is one of the only exceptions and Jon is the jester. Moyers has 1/2 hour per week. That’s about it. Even Keith has worn thin in this house.
even if you aren’t here much, it’s always great to “see” you. in no way was my comment meant to be a criticism of what you are watching or not watching. it was a general statement about our collective ignorance – and since i wasn’t paying much attention pre-2001, that collective ignorance starts with me.
wide syndication means it’s available. so it can be viewed if people know about it and are interested. that would mean views. but people have to hear about it first – that’s what i’m trying to help along.
dn! has the production values it can afford without going to the corp or gov till (unlike pbs, etc). the focus is on news and probably because it started on wbai, i expect most people still listen on the radio (lots of npr stations carry it). personally, i don’t watch it because i don’t have cable tv and in any event, i’d rather listen via the podcast at my convenience. but the transcript is also available and i frequently scan that when i miss a show.
my main point is that there is at least one alternative, one that blows every other news source i’m aware of completely out of the water (and which btw a lot of people watch who are not involved in and have no interest in being involved in electoral politics generally or political blogs specifically). i find it frustrating that dn! is left out of almost every comment on how crappy the us news media is, so i’ve decided to mention it so that it at least people know it exists and can decide for themselves if they want to give it a try.
btw, moyers program is 1 hour, not 1/2 hour. (now is 1/2 hour).
No, the real reason is that it’s a bummer to hear the awful truth all the time.
you’ve got a point – but dn! also has lots of activists’ stories which i find inspiring. haven’t been so many lately i think though, and that is a bummer.
I agree.
I had not watched morning news or evening news since the very, very early 1980s when I swore off the whole crock of shit.
But now that I can see it on my InternetMachine, and I’m watching for patterns of who covers what, it’s pretty interesting to see what’s happening.
KO was an earthquake, media-wise.
Not simply because of his political viewpoint, but because he speaks in complete sentences and he is very, very smart. His style is far closer to the BBC than it is to the traditional US media.
And he’s set a new standard, which Maddow (and in a more pop-culture way, Shuster) have really run with — so look back 2 years and the only thing around was Daily Show.
Look ahead 2 years, now that people are getting acclimated to smarter, more-than-sound-bite explanations of topics, and Amy Goodman may come into her largest audience about 14 months from now.
Because I’m personally astounded at the people I know who HATE politics, but they are now really paying attention. They want explanations; that’s what Amy Goodman can provide.
They mostly need to find out about her, IMHO.
This is REAL journalism boys and girls!
OT from Think Progress:
Anyone know if CT changed the law after the JoeLIE debacle to disallow the loser from a party primary from running as something else in the general? We seem to have such a law in PA.
Not that Joe could win again, the loathing of him by CT voters has increased exponentially and he will be defeated. I have no doubt about that.
Hello let’s give Jim Cramer some credit for coming on this show and allowing Stewart to take him and his show apart. His recommendations deserved to be ripped apart. He came on the show.
And while I really appreciate the way Stewart digs deep and his insights and humor add to our understanding of very serious issues. I also greatly appreciate Stewart’s instincts to protect those who are less informed than he is. Greatly appreciate this.
I also appreciate that Stewart finally opened up to criticizing Israel and the I lobby when they deserve it. These issues were completely OFF LIMITS COMPLETELY on Stewart’s show up until this last year (I have been watching him since he came on) He would rip on radical and fundamentalist from all faiths and ideologies (justifiably) He would rip up other world leaders as well as ours (justifiably) But he would not touch Zionist, Judaism, the I lobby or Israel’s crimes. He has opened up the last year after being challenged by some on these sacred cow issues on his program
Another thing I have noticed about Jon Stewart is how he will selectively rip into someone like Chris Matthews and let David Frum and Bill Kristol dance around him. When Stewart ripped into Chris Matthews, Matthews invited Stewart on his program…Stewart has never agreed to come on Hardball. I believe Jon Stewart is a chicken shit. Easy to rip people up on your own program your territory…when will Jon Stewart accept Chris Matthews invitation?
If I’m not mistaken that was what happened with Crossfire. He ripped them on his show, was invited onto Crossfire and then ripped them a new one on their show. I could be wrong, but that’s what I remember.
Yowser I was just banned over at Crooks and liars for saying what I said above over at a thread about Jon Stewarts interview with Cramer. I also stated that I had noticed an inconsistency in the way that Jon Stewart would interview and rip up someone like Chris Matthews but allow David Frum and Bill Kristol to dance around his questions yet nailed Matthews. I also called Jon Stewart a chicken shit for not taking Chris matthews invite to come on Hardball.
I also posted a challenge for Rachel Maddow at the Crooks and Liars site after appreciating her I stated on the thread that I hoped that she would bring Charles Freeman discuss the U.S. Vs Rosen espionage investigation and trial.
Really something a site like Crooks and Liars that allows commenters to bash, use foul language, rip to bits, Bush, Cheney, Chris Matthews or anyone else they deem fair game, but will not allow you to post appropriate challenges to the folks that they have up on an alter. Real hypocristy. Stay on topic police when they do not like what you are saying (no cursing, no rip up, just challenges about certain topics)
So I was banned because I would not back down to the moderator with a clear agenda and in fact pointed out a comment just below mine that they deleted that was completely off topic. Selective off topic police
Crooks and Liars has a serious case of the REDS phenomena. You know we have some power now so agree with us and rip up the people we do not like but don’t challenge us or the people we support no matter what.
Pathetic!
let’s hope the democrats don’t become the playback machine the republicans became, we really MUST hold our critters to a far higher standard
More control on these blogs than we want to think about. Don’t challenge the people or issues that some progressives have on the alter or off topic. But perfectly o.k. to rip the folks that they do not like new assholes
Hypocrisy abounds
http://emptywheel.firedoglake……r-failure/
bmaz March 4th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Comment 21
In response to bluebutterfly @ 18 (show text)
Christy’s got her snark on.
CNN covering “Brawl Street” this morning, so bet on Kurtz to cover it on his Reliable Sources.
Low hanging fruit for competing networks…wonder if it’ll occur to any of the folks at CNN and I’m presuming Fox [I never watch] as they give the Cramer smackdown big play…that maybe they should look in their own mirrors.
And I don’t just mean the financial cheerleaders.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/G…..3Dj09.html
Gimme a break.
If you believe Citi is “profitable,” you must ignore all of the money they’ve borrowed from you – simply write it off. If your 401K value (apparently) rises by 30% while your total indebtedness (as represented by your share of the criminal bailout of the banks to payoff those who bet against the economy) increases by several thousand percent, are you richer or poorer?
Ask CNBS – they’ll tell you what you want to hear.
The Banksters own and control the government via the FED:
http://freedomwatchonfox.com/
it doesn’t make much difference if the whole country sees this piece. What matters is that Mary Shapiro, Chair of the SEC, sees it and has enough self-respect to do something about it. It’s her job.
Jon Stewart calling Joe Scar “Doucheborough” in outtake 3 was spittake worthy.
I saw the clip this morning. I wonder if Cramer is smart enough to understand that Stewart absolutely disemboweled him before a world-wide audience? Further, I wonder if CNBC will change its ways? I’m guessing “No” on both counts. But damn, was Stewart brilliant!
And where have the blogs been on covering CNBC? The real bad trash is on licensed spectrum.
Cramer is an Obama supporter. He spoke out against Obama’s policies in the same line as Jack Welch and Warren Buffet(another Obama supporter). They said he should wait to push the agenda on Health care and Cap and trade and just focus on the economy. These are not bad statements but they drew the ire of many. These men like most Americans want what is best for America so we can all succeed. Jim Cramer is a fan of Jon Stewart as well which has Jim a little saddened. Jim Cramer is also a host of a TV SHOW. He actually does care about the little guy which is the reason for the shows popularity. Read his book “Confessions of a street addict”. He wrote it before his show and you can see more clearly his views and angst against a corrupt system. His show is to be used as 1. entertainment and possibly 2. as a starting point for study on investing. It is a guide, a tool. Jim Cramer, a guy who truely does care about people, it being torn apart by people not because his is horrible but because attention was brought to him when he spoke out against policies by a man (Obama) he supported.
Nice to see you here, Mr. Cramer.
If you actually cared about the little guy and his retirement portfolio, your show would be used to reveal the truth behind the lies told all day long by every shill on CNBS. Every game being played by CNBS is scripted in advance by the FED, and you know it…but won’t reveal the actual truth.
The FED is not the solution – the FED is the problem. You work for them, and THAT is the problem. The public airwaves were never intended to be used against the best interests of the citizens. You sold out.
he does call out CEO’s and people abusing the system. Of course he is not perfect neither were 95% of “experts” in predicting the downturn
Yes, let’s drop the whole thing because “Cramer is a fan of Jon Stewart” and “Jim is a little saddened”. Are you serious?
Posted this elsewhere, but . . .
On Cramer, the NYT has an article up by Alessandra Stanley on its frontpage that attacks Jon Stewart’s treatment of Cramer and concludes that since all publicity is good, this will likely help Cramer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03…..=1&hp
It misses the whole point of what Cramer and the media were doing or any responsibility they might have for anything. It is mindlessly stupid in that “savvy” way Jay Rosen talks about.
jon makes a great point, how many people would have bought stock if it was made known;
“we are showing this profit by counting on borrowing 35 dollars against every dollar of real assets”
btw, I believe jim signed his death certificate when he said “I voted for obama
I think Cramer took Stewarts challenges gracefully. Hopefully Cramer will digest them and make some serious changes
0t here is the comment I was banned for on the Rachel thread
One comment they took off
while I support Rachel Maddow’s coverage of this serious topic. There are other issues that Rachel Maddow (who the moderators here at Crooks and Liars do not want you to challenge, but plenty ok here at C and L) to viciously attack and take apart Chris Matthew or anyone else that Crooks and Liars deems that it is ok to rip on) But don’t challenge Rachel Maddow…not here. Rip up Bush, Cheney, Matthews at C&L but don’t appropriately challenge or question Jon Stewart or Rachel Maddow…no no no
“Some of the issues that Rachel and the rest of the MSM has not been willing to touch are Charles Freemans recent withdrawal or the topic that no one in the MSM will touch the U.s. VS Rosen Aipac espionage investigation and trial. In fact has Crooks and Liars even touched that trial?
http://crooksandliars.com/davi…..been-overl
I think both Cramer and Kudlow were caught red handed at some point by the SEC, and turned into shills for the FED as an alternative to prison time.
That’s certainly would explain why Cramer had no fear to admit his illegal trading adventures on video tape.
Leen:
C&L is clearly funded by someone with strong Zionist tendencies, who does not want ANY TRUTH about Israel’s role in any espionage, false flag or terror activities posted there.
A web site devoted to some, but not ALL truth, is of no service – unless you’re a pro-Israel Zionist who wants to keep the truth hidden and the truthtellers to be condemned as “conspiracy theorists.”
The same is true of Huffington Post, in the aftermath of Olmert’s charm offensive there a couple years ago (where he posted a blog entry) during which I personally ripped him for Israel’s direct role in 9/11. See who funds HuffPo and then you’ll understand how that world really works.
These sites are packed full of Hasbara (Megaphone) operatives to ensure compliance with their “no-discussion-of-Israel” policies.
It was damn amazing. My comments and challenges were mild yet on target. C&L proved to me that they only want you to rip up those who they have deemed enemies by whatever language you choose. But challenge their idols on what they will and will not cover. especially the I/P conflict or no one touching the U.S. vs Rosen investigation and trial.
Damn the moderator was freaked out. I think they were slammed for slamming me the comment were closed quickly on that post and several after that.
Some Profs here at Ohio University that I have directed to FDL, Crooks and liars, Washington NOte, Salon etc…were following the comments and they wrote me after I was slammed for politely challenging Stewart and Rachel Maddow on the appropriate post. They are not going back and I believe contacted the moderator with the agenda
Having been banned from nearly every blog on the Internet for no more than you did today, I can attest that it is a well funded operation, designed specifically to ensure that the topic of Israel remains OFF TOPIC.
This should be viewed as evidence of their agenda, their tactics and their fear of the actual truth. Their approach is two-fold. On the one hand, they slam the blog owner with e-mails threatening to sick the ADL on them and shut them down for promoting anti-Semistism, while on the other hand, venture capital shows up from Israel to support the blog, provided they comply with certain monitoring procedures and guidelines.
It’s no different than the way AIPAC controls Congress…carrot & stick, combined with blackmail when required.
Dang it those venture capitalists sure are late with their checks. Soros too. Nice try plunger.
I didn’t imply that this site was one accepting VC capital from Israel. I think I was pretty clear about the HuffPo and C&L allegations.
Great article by Justin Raimando having to do with where Arianna gets her support for her site
January 2, 2009
The Huffington Post: Israeli-Occupied Territory
Why is the Huffington Post carrying water for the IDF? Follow the money …
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13990
The blog clogs are being hosed on some site
The media is a tool of the corporatocracy and no longer part of the checks and balances of a democratic society.
We don’t have “airwaves” anymore. They have been reserved for the military and police. That’s why we all had to switch to cable converter boxes.
Here is one of the other comments of mine that Crooks and liars deleted.
Then check out how quickly the contradict themselves. Just below my comment that they deleted and called off topic they allowed an off topic comment. Which often happens. THE OFF TOPIC POLICE SHOW UP WHEN THEY DO NOT LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE SAID OR CRITICIZE ONE OF THEIR HEROES
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A message to Crooks and Liars…discriminatory off topic police.
Leen to C& L…..”Another example of how absurd your ot claims are. Thanks for making such fools of yourselves.
Fri, 03/13/2009 – 10:11 — Kathleen
i want to witness you apply your off topic standards consistently but you do not
THIS IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THEY DELETED
“while I support Rachel Maddow’s coverage of this serious topic. There are other issues that Rachel Maddow (who the moderators here at Crooks and Liars do not want you to challenge, but plenty ok here at C and L) to viciously attack and take apart Chris Matthew or anyone else that Crooks and Liars deems that it is ok to rip on) But don’t challenge Rachel Maddow…not here.
Some of the issues that Rachel and the rest of the MSM has not been willing to touch are Charles Freemans recent withdrawal or the topic that no one in the MSM will touch the U.s. VS Rosen Aipac espionage investigation and trial. In fact has Crooks and Liars even touched that trial?
THEIR RESPONSE
[You and I both know that you’re not trying to talk about Maddow. You are trying to talk about the same topic that you brought up at the Stewart/Cramer thread. Site Monitor]
AND THEN JUST BELOW THAT COMMENT YOU ERASED YOU ALLOWED THIS COMMENT. NOW THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF YOUR INCONSISTENCY ON WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO CALL OFF TOPIC WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT. THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. SAD TO THINK THAT YOUR SITE IS UNWILLING TO ALLOW LEGITIMATE CHALLENGES OF WHAT THOSE IN THE MSM CHOOSE TO OR ARE ALLOWED TO COVER. MY POINTS ABOUT WHAT RACHEL WILL, IS ALLOWED TO COVER STAND. YOU FOLKS WERE A LITTLE LATE IN COVERING THE FREEMAN DROP PULLING IN LATE AFTER MANY IN THE SO CALLED PROGRESSIVE BLOGOSPHERE. MY POINT AND I STAND BY IT. RACHEL AND OTHER MSMSER’S WILL NOT TOUCH THE I LOBBY. THERE ARE OTHER OT TOPICS FOR THE MSM BUT THIS IS ONE MAJOR ISSUE THAT THEY WILL NOT TOUCH. I STAND BY MY CHALLENGES OF MADDOW AND STEWART
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HERE IS THE COMMENT THAT C& L ALLOWED JUST AFTER DELETING MY COMMENT ABOUT RACHEL
Home Grown terror
Fri, 03/13/2009 – 08:44 — Cindy Rose
Anyone watch Frank Gaffney on Hardball? A former Bush deputy secretary of state who tried to tie Oklahoma City, 9/11, the first WTC attack,etc. to Saddam Hussein. David Corn, who was also on, was dumbfounded as was Chris Matthews. Gaffney and the other neocons are probably the reason we have ignored home grown terrorists.
I hope Cramer takes Stewart’s words to heart and stops trying to be a clown and a shill or Wall Street. Obviously the man is smart – maybe he’ll use it for good in the future.