Update Wed. a.m.: NYT makes up an absurdly false headline implying Obama promised the public plan would never cause private insurers to lose business.
"Why, oh why, can’t we have a better press corp?" — Brad DeLong et al
In his press conference, the President responded to questions arguing that a public plan will drive private insurers out of business. The private insurers’ letter to Congress had claimed that:
""We do not believe that it is possible to create a government plan that could operate on a level playing field, . . . Regardless of how it is initially structured, a government plan would use its built-in advantages to take over the health insurance market. . . . A government-run plan no matter how it is initially structured would dismantle employer-based coverage, . . ."
When reporters asked about this, the President responded:
OBAMA: Why would it drive private insurance out of business? If private insurers say that the marketplace provides the best quality health care; if they tell us that they’re offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can’t run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That’s not logical.
But in an Evening News segment entitled, "Would an Overhaul Hurt Health Care?" CBS reporter Sherryl Atkinson did her usual lazy job, saying that “some experts agreed" with the industry.
As proof, she quoted only an “expert” from the pro-private-market Cato Institute, who said, with no basis whatsoever, that the government would give the public plan unwarranted subsidies to create unfair competition, an argument Atkinson then repeated. Atkinson concluded that employers would drop their private plans, leaving employees with only the public plan.
ABC’s report on the presser pushes the unsupported argument even further:
Obama also seemed to back off from his promise that people who like their health care plans will be able to keep them under his plan for reform, and instead of saying that "no one" will take away any American’s health insurance, today he said only that the government would not do so.
ABC News asked how the president could make such a guarantee if the public-run plan was cheaper, thus possibly enticing employers to enroll employees in that plan.
"When I say if you have your plan and you like it, you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don’t have to change plans, what I’m saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform," the president said.
This was a shift from what the president said just last week, when he told a gathering of the nation’s doctors, "If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."
Today Obama pinned the possible changes on employers, who may adjust their health care plans due to costs, and maintained that the government will not be the force behind the changes.
"I can guarantee you that there’s the possibility for a whole lot of Americans out there that they’re not going to end up having the same health care they have," he said. "Because what’s going to happen is, as costs keep on going up, employers are going to start making decisions. We’ve got to raise premiums on our employees. In some cases, we can’t provide health insurance at all.
So what’s going on? What the President explained is that the private insurance premiums employers face today are rising so fast that some employers will likely stop offering/contributing to health coverage. That could cause consumers to lose the coverage and possibly the doctors they have now. That will happen if we do nothing, but ABC confused that with something that could occur as a result of reform.
ABC is thus repeating another industry argument, which says that the mere existence of the public plan will induce employers to drop their private plan coverage, forcing the employees to find an alternative. Hence, they argue, reform itself will result in employees loosing the coverage they now have.
But notice what this industry argument says. The industry claims there’s sufficient competition now. But if that’s true, then employers now are free to change private plans, which can result in changes of coverage and/or providers for their employees. So what the argument says is that forced change is normal and okay when imposed by employers choosing between private insurers; but it’s unacceptable if the alternative is a better public plan. Of course, if such changes don’t often happen today, it simply means that the industry claims of existing competition and choice are mostly false. (See Krugman)
The argument also ignores the fact that Congress is working on “Pay or Play” rules, as part of an "employer mandate." For example, if an employer who contributes to it’s employee plans today decides in the future to stop offering those plans to some employees, the “pay or play” rules would require the employer to “pay” a contribution to help cover whatever alternative coverage the employee chooses. Otherwise, an “employer mandate” is meaningless.
The Play or Pay rule removes/reduces the incentives for employers to abandon plans they now offer, unless new alternative choices that become available are clearly superior. But of course, if that’s true, then the employees themselves should benefit from that change, and the employer would be foolish not to support it.
So CBS just shilled for a phony industry argument and asked only a Cato market advocate but never asked any expert who might have corrected the reporter’s misrepresentation. And ABC manufactured a phony argument that creating another choice for employees will force them to lose what they have, even though the real reason for that change is the inferiority of the private plans they’re stuck with today.
The lazy elements of our media are showing once again that they can’t sort out the simplest arguments, are easily misled, don’t know whom to ask and are willing to be spun by industry hacks.
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Paul Krugman, on [Mis]Reporting on Health and the health of reporting
Update: The NYT makes up a false headline, "Obama Says Government Health Coverage Plan Would Not Hurt Private Insurers," even though the article itself shows the President made no such promise. The false/misleading headline appears in both print and online versions, and the Times should make an immediate correction.
As is clear from the presser quotes above, the President did not promise private competitors would not be hurt by competition. He merely described the multiple, inconsistent claims being made by the insurers as "not logical." He also noted that consumers would make the choices that determined which competitors did well and which did not.
But the facts won’t matter. We can now expect the industry and Republicans to falsely claim, citing "even the liberal Times," that the President is not credible because he claimed/promised that if a public plan competes with private insurers, none of the latter would ever lose any business.



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Great post Scarecrow.
Well said. They also neglect to mention the fact that if an employer wants to discontinue their company sponsored coverage in favor of a public option, that their current insurance provider still has the option of offering a better deal in order to retain their business.
Which bill has this right of first refusal?
And on the second point, is this part of a bill or a union contract?
Also, if the employer decides to drop their private plan, not only will they have to pay into the public system, depending on the savings the company gets and the hit that the employee incurs (if any), the employee may look at it as a cut in their wages and ask to be compensated for the difference, (esp. as relates to union shops.)
Not talking about any particular bill. As long as there’s a public option that’s cheaper than, and with comparable coverage to their existing plan, market forces will determine which way companies and individuals will go.
What do you expect from CBS and ABC?
A government insurance plan isn’t going to advertise on CBS and ABC. The health insurance industry is spending a small fortune (I’d sure swap my salary for the next 5 years for their advertising expenses in the next 30 days) on the latest versions of Harry and Louise.
Remember, news has become a profit center for the networks. In the days of Edward R Murrow and Eric Severaid and Walter Cronkite, news was a cost center. That change from cost center to profit center shades everything they do.
The real shame is that the public is generally unaware of this change and thinks that the network news (and the MSM generally) is giving them the straight dope.
I love the way Obama refutes this shit AND challenges these companies at the same time. Like, how can it be that a government option could put the companies offering a quality product out of business?? How indeed. Especially in a free market. Cough. Cough.
I saw/heard stats recently (probably on one of Scarecrow’s posts!!) that the increases in the cost of coverage benefits to employers had eaten up MORE than the amount that salaries have been falling behind in the past decade.
So, wages have been falling and these insurance companies have taken that money that should have gone to wages and then some, so they are taking some of the employers’ money too. And, clearly, the insurance companies are benefitting more from that money than the insured.
It’s pure robbery.
” The much-maligned health insurance industry is braced for another black eye today as the Senate hears testimony from a former insurance company executive.
Former health insurance company insider Wendell Potter is expected to pull no punches when he talks about the flaws of his old industry at a hearing before the Senate today.
Wendell Potter, who worked in public relations for Cigna and Humana Inc., for more than 20 years before retiring in 2008, is scheduled to testify this afternoon before the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
Potter is expected to speak critically of insurance company practices and provide insight on why consumers often come away feeling confused after dealing with insurance companies. “
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Busi…..038;page=1
I am very anxious about what ABC is going to do at their White House symposium on health care reform tonight, and interview with Obama, particularly after Monday’s shameless and contemptible Diane Sawyer interview on GMA on the sticker shock issues. Again, why do we have such ignorant media folk, aside from the built-in media bias vis a vis their advertisting revenues. I no longer have any respect at all for Sawyer and had attempted to let her know that via email, but GMA and ABC have no access vehicles for communicating with their “reporters” as far as I could find.
Blessings to all
Had been referred by one poster/commenter to go to ABC to encourage them to include single payer/public option folks be included in tonight’s program at the WhiteHouse (Primetime) so went and found this at the end of public recommendation box:
Note: The Company’s long-established policy does not allow us to accept for review or consideration any ideas, suggestions, or creative materials not solicited by us or our subsidiaries. Therefore, in the event that you have submitted such content, please be advised that the submission has been forwarded to the Company’s legal department for handling.
So much for My input which asked for assurances that the public option folks be full represented.
Out of curiousity went to ABC News home page and saw this intriguing article: Why Reform Matters If Your Insurance is Fine by ABC’s Joseph Brownstein, Medical Unit. He actually had some points poopoohing the industry’s propaganda and letting folks know that there is no real security with the employer covered policies, etc. See the article at
abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthcare/story?id79116528 page….
Blessings to all
Members of the Church of St. Reagan are marshalling forces to stop this heathen assault on the holiest of holies, GOP talking points.
The media is not lazy, and this is not accidental.
These false statements are not accidents.
The mainstream media and news are simply the corporate communications divisions of the megacompanies that ru(i)n this nation. Sherryl Atkinson is not lazy or stupid: she is a well-paid shill doing exactly what she’s hired to do.
The sooner we all stop pretending to be surprised at this kind of thing, the sooner we can stop wasting time and pass Campaign Finance Reform, which is the only way to end it.
What’s the issue? You mean to tell me the innovative efficient insurance services can’t compete with a public option? How does BC/BS relieve a burden of government, in return for its tax exempt corporate status????????????????
Scarecrow, you need to be careful. Today Michael Savage painted a target on the folks from Media Matters. With this kind of great and analytical reporting you could be next.
Good suggestion. From now on, I will only base my posts on links to Media Matters.
What a shock! The corporate media in bed with the pharmacutical/insurance somples. Who could have imagined.
In my area — New England — MSNBC just had one minute ad featuring a very pleasant guy talking about how BCBS was doing everything it could to be wonderful. The funny part is that he said there were days when he thought they should just go back to business as usual, but he wanted to do better — as the screen is showing happy BCBS members holding up their membership cards. Everything’s fine here in Massachusetts.
Hey Scarecrow what do think about this??
Using a state DOR tax code as a gauntlet forcing citizens to purchase health insurance and making people enter into private contracts, under fear of tax penalty, with TAX EXEMPT Corporations, like BCBS? The Massachusetts life tax!
This is disgusting. Is Blue Cross Blue Shield a tax exempt corporation in every state that is does business? Why are so many corporations in the health services listed on the State AG’s Public Charities Listing?? IS THIS BECAUSE THEY OPERATE WITH OUT TAX LIABILITIES like the rest of us????????
Revoke the exempt tax status of every alleged not for profit in the health services and use the tax code to force change on a tax exempt service industry that has insulated itself from change via tax exempt status!!!!!!!!!!
Using the tax code to penalize citizens who cannot afford health insurance to purchase a insurance product from a tax exempt corporation of for profit for that matter is legislative servitude under the color of law!
Dred Scott was denied his constitutional right by a racist court more concerned with protecting the property rights of slave owners, than his right to Life and Liberty. Today is seems politicians are more concerned with protecting corporates’ ways of doing business, the same way the Courts screwed Mr. Scott, the politicians are screwing Americans into corporate servitude!
So Mr. Crow… The ethics of using a tax code to force people to hand liberty over to tax exempt health care corporation, under the color of law??????
Coerced servitude anyone? I believe President Obama doe “get it?” The people who will never get it are the
slave ownerscorporations who profit on the medical misery of people and their families………..BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD is a tax exempt corporation with the same tax status as….. the United Way RED Cross BOy Scouts. So how does BCBS relieve a burden of government when this corporation is denying claims and forces people to go bankrupt???? Please endeavor to think! This is just the tip of the iceberg!
http://www.charities.ago.state…../index.asp
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3 results returned for the search Charity Name: BLUE CROSS (Starts with the word). You may select a Charity from the list below to view any available documents such as Form PC, IRS 990, or filed Financial Statements/Audits. (Get help on this section)
Row Name of Charitable Organization AG Account Number FEIN
1 BLUE CROSS & BLUE SHIELD OF MASS, INC. 000989 041045815
2 BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD OF MASS HMO BLUE, INC. 039296 043362283
3 BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD OF MASS FOUNDATION, INC. FOR EXPANDING HEALTHCARE ACCESS 029171 043148824
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Maybe all us poor people should be demanding a free Ludes for life and free cremation at the end … and we will just stfu.
You nailed it!
Follow the money.
I’m confused. Why does MSM believe that private insurers somehow are entitled, as of right, to extraordinary profitability? Or a given level of profitability? This isn’t, after all, a taking of private property by the government (as in eminent domain or nationalization). This is just public policy: Governments change regulations. Sometimes regulations need to be changed to better protect citizens. Corporations are sometimes effected by these changes and have to adjust their business models accordingly. It’s called capitalism and free enterprise. As MSM and the rethugs like to remind us, this isn’t a socialist country. It isn’t. Deal.
” if they tell us that they’re offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can’t run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business?”
because they (the insurance companies) are not offering a good deal, and they know it.
A little levity for you Scarecrow…)
And then, there’s this healthcare story:
That’s great.
Sex, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, whatever; it’s all the same.
The post keeps missing the part about the fact that the so-called Public Plan gets money from the taxpayers, that is, by the coercion the IRS imposes when we get taxed. All other insurance is private, paid voluntarily. There is no way a plan coerced at the point of a gun can compete. The government can take a loss (because it will be refreshed by FORCE of the government) until all the others drop their coverage. Then the only bathroom we will all have is the Public OUTHOUSE: your Public Doctor = Your Public Restroom and Your Public Sewers. DO you really want THAT kind of care for YOUR health?
What a fountain of misinformation. There are literally dozens of public services performed by public entities in every city/town in the country that get funded by taxes that are paid for without the use of a gun. This may seem shocking, but rational people actually understand that some services need to be publically provided and so vote for city councils, state reps and Congressional representatives that enact the taxes to pay for them. No guns are required.
The public plan option, however, would initially be set up by federal funds, but most of the proposals then have the entity sustained through premiums paid by the people who voluntarily choose the public option.
Finally, dozens of countries have successful, popular, public health plans of various kinds, and every one of those countries advanced beyond outhouses decades ago.
Go to Canada, Britain, Sweden or Norway–all have horrendous waiting lists and what amounts to killing off old people over 60 (something I have recently joined). Don’t trust them. The public folks say if you’re too old, you die. They can’t afford you. Only private insurance keeps the faith with the elderly.
You really need to provide substantive links when making such claims.
How about I’ve been there on lecture tours and people told me.
http://www.charities.ago.state…../index.asp
How much more evidence do you need?
People always want better stuff, but if the private insurers don’t offer it…
Your health is not a commodity.
Your health is not a profit center.
Single payer now.
Silence is cancer………………
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1 KAISER FAMILY FOUNDATION 040135 043494488
2 KAISER FOUNDATION HEALTH PLAN OF MASS, INC. 009114 042583575
3 KAISER, WILLIAM S. FAMILY FOUNDATION 049391 263505536
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Check every state AG’s charities Listing. You will see that many corporations in the health services that people think are for profit are actually listed as public charities under state public charity law because the corporation has qualified for tax exempt status with the IRS. So how many people knew or know that BCBS operates with federal tax exempt status and a state exemption also? “Relieving the burdens of government???????”
OMISSIONS OF FACTS? Does anybody here …… get it!!!
The argument I’m most tired of hearing from Repugs is that “most people are satisfied with their insurance”…it’s not only about the insurance/coverage it’s about the COST and the denials and the pre-existing condition non-starter, etc. Plus the fact that today you may have insurance and tomorrow you won’t…the fact that there is ANY “DEBATE” about a public option (preferably single payer) is just one more example of the demise of what began with our FOUNDING FATHERS as a potentially workable system (until the money grabbers got hold of it)…