HuffPo’s Ryan Grim reports that the President held another closed meeting today with Senate Finance Committee members who have failed to do their jobs on health care reform.
That closed meeting was followed by a closed meeting of all Senate Democrats in which the Democratic members who have failed to do their jobs presumably obscured why they have failed to do their jobs. We know this because the only Senator to emerge with a positive assessment was Evan Bayh.
At the conclusion of what must be the umpteenth closed meeting — and why are discussions of health care public policy kept secret? — to discuss or obscure failure, Senate leaders emerged to make yet another set of dissembling remarks. The leaders revealed they haven’t a clue how transparently absurd and offensive it was, and remains, to turn over reform to a small group of unrepresentative Senators who oppose the basic elements of reform and who arrogantly claim that only their views count while the work of the Senate HELP Committee and three diligent House Committees that carry the last vestiges of reform can be thrown in the trash.
Apparently, none of them can put together the following logical chain:
1. The opposition party is completely irresponsible and has no intention of helping solve the country’s problems. That means working with them is not just pointless; it’s wasting time.
2. Leaders of the opposition party, their industry allies and hired provocateurs are persistently lying to incite mob actions and public hatred against anyone who tries to explain, let alone defend reform efforts. That means Democrats should refuse to work with the opposition. Why are they even allowed at the table?
3. Even if there are still one or two sane Republicans willing to consider meaningful discussions about the contents of reform, they are under unrelenting pressure and intimidation from their party and their organized crazies not to agree to anything that could reasonably be described as real reform. That means the absence of bipartisanship is a consequence of Republican obstruction, not a function of Democratic unwillingness to talk. We need to stop pretending this is our problem and make it theirs.
4. There are just enough numbskulls like Ben Nelson in the Democratic Party, plus unprincipled opportunists like Joe Lieberman, to coddle the opposition and stall Democratic-only reform efforts as long as they are shielded by their own colleagues. It’s time to stop shielding them.
5. Whatever his other gifts, this President does not have the temperment or inclination to hold anyone accountable for being irresponsible. We need to stop looking to this President for that kind of leadership.
6. The President is losing the trust and confidence of his own supporters, because he has betrayed them on the tough calls. As a result, all too many health care reform advocates believe they will be betrayed again; many believe that Rahm Emanuel will shoot them in the back if they try to advance a progressive agenda. Thus reform efforts must honestly confront White House opposition and hold this President responsible.
Matt Yglesias, responding to Jon Cohn, notes a lack of enthusiasm to support this President’s health care agenda, whatever that is. No kidding.
But this is not simply or mostly Max Baucus’ fault. The President and Democratic leadership empowered Max Baucus instead of Chris Dodd and Jay Rockefeller, and Sherrod Brown. That leadership is collectively letting their own supporters down, and its time for supporters to tell the WH and leadership their failure is unacceptable.
The White House keeps asking its supporters to fight the good fight, but not too hard, to support reform, but not too much or far enough or too soon. We’re told the system is broken but no one is to be held responsible for breaking it, and its defenders are not to be confronted.
Sorry, but you don’t win battles against deeply entrenched interests that way, you lose armies. If they can’t figure this out and turn it around, the WH and Democratic leadership shouldn’t be surprised if no one joins up to take the next hill for this team.



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Organizing for America called here tonight. I think I made it clear enough: When Obama has a real plan, I’ll take a look. In the meantime, no help, no money and by the way, why did he sell out to Big Pharma?
Thank you!!
In my mind, the only appropriate response to OFA, DCCC, DNC et al. is “you stupid fuckers!!! Why the hell are you calling NOW?? Why didn’t you stand up for Single Payer?? Not a dime for you; it’s all going to FDL.”
Is the leader listening to the troops?
PS, we’re not troops, we’re his goddamn EMPLOYERS! He’s C in C of the armed forces, not of All The People.
Feh.
FunnyWheelieDiva
It sounds like he’s been sucked into the very bubble that he feared he’d get sucked into. He used to be addicted to blogs before being inaugurated; but then he was told that he couldn’t even keep his BlackBerry. Don’t remember how that shook out.
Which “blogs”? Politico? RedState?
I recall reading that Glenzilla is read by whitehouse staff daily.
Yupper.
Unfortunately they seem to read him, then act in ways that will give him more material complaining about egregious Obama policies.
Glenn has to compete with people who have Obama’s ear 24/7 and who keep beating the fear drum. Look at how the GOP got Congress to back down on allowing Gitmo inmates to be transferred to US prisons, much less freed outright.
Politico’s not really a blog, as they are at pains to tell their fellow Villagers.
somebody needs to kick some butt. who will it be?
Obama?
Reid?
Pelosi?
didn’t think so.
Thanks Scarecrow-
But having read the BusinessWeek piece,
The Health Insurers Have Already Won I conclude that the Senate is gonna lay/lie down for a really bad bill, which Obama will happily sign.
I really am feeling totally not optimistic.
The BW piece is interesting, and much of it seems to be “wishing will make it so”. On page one, it posits that the public option is dead (and was killed because it threatened insurance and health-care-industry profits) and that from here on out, any reform bill will not have a public option, and by definition give more profits to the industry.
Of course, that was just as Enzi and Co. were shivving Baucus’ bill — the only one without a public option — in the Senate. This is also why we need the forty folks in the House to stand up and take the pledge, to keep Baucus’ bill from being revived.
Excellent piece Scarecrow!
After watching this President do the opposite on so much of his campaign rhetoric (torture, state secrets, war, health care, etc.) it’s pretty clear why the establishment thought he was an acceptable candidate while John “they won’t negotiate, you gotta take it away from them” Edwards was totally marginalized by them even before his mistress problem.
The convention in Denver a year ago, teaming with corporatists and corporate sponsors. Obama might’ve done the courtesy in his acceptance speech to be frank and worn a NASCAR-style habit.
Oh please.
Edwards was a blue Dog Democrat who voted for the War and the Bankruptcy bill. His rhetoric never matched his 6-year record in the senate.
Sadly, yes. And I say that as someone who thought that he was our best hope against McCain in 2008. I have never been happier to be proved wrong.
Don’t be rough on yourself.
I understood Edwards’ appeal – he delivered fiery speeches chocked full of red meat. And there’s nothing wrong with that. The problem was his record never matched his rhetoric. I mean, how could someone who spoke so passionately about the working class vote for the Bankruptcy bill. It didn’t add up.
it is a mite hard to rally in support, yes. “What do we want?” “CRAPPY CO-OPS!” “When do we want them?” “IN FIVE YEARS OR SO!” whee.
LOL.
When this is all over and Nancy and Harry have failed (again), they’ve got to be forced out. There is no reason that with a D president, a large majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate that meaningful healthcare reform can’t get passed.
Nancy and Harry are poison.
Of course there is – the $1.4 million the Medical-Industrial-Complex pours in every DAY to buy off corrupt Dems. Evan Bayh’s wife has made millions sitting on boards of the Medical-Industrial-Complex. Why do you think they give her all that cash — to buy the vote of her corrupt husband.
Yupper. Considering that we’re fighting billionaires who have had years – since 1994, in fact – to buy up people and control the narrative, I’m amazed we’ve got as far as we have.
I understand why activist are angry.
What I don’t get is their lack of history.
Every Dem president has failed at health care: Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton. Every single one of them. FDR and LBJ had HUGE congressional majorities, and they still failed.
This has been a historical struggle. It’s a hard struggle. Some people act as if it’s a slam dunk. History says otherwise.
We got Social Security yes it will be hard. Getting Single payer and getting rid of the White House deal with the drug companies will be harder.
Still if as many of us as can show up to the local meetings we can say we tried. If you can’t show then at least comment or give a few bucks to the Lake.
The Muslims say you can support Jihad by action words or cash. ( I think I got that right)
Words Action Cash Try its all that we can ask of ourselves.
Very true.
Most excellent.
All hail King Baucus.
OT but how did Citizen Stark do on MSNBC…did they put ‘im up with a lunitic wingnut?
You make a lot of sense. I am really beginning to lose faith in the Democratic leadership and in Obama and his forces.
It is starting to look like 93-94. Deja vu all over again.
This is a CRUSHING disappointment. I am sick watching this roll out, especially with the virulence on the right and the paralysis on the part of Obama & Democrats.
And another note about all this bipartisanship… if the Dems put forth a pure single-payer bill effective immediately, would the opposition have been any stronger than it is for the watered-down crap we’re looking at now?
I don’t see how.
I’d like to buy a used car from these guys. They’d open the negotiation by offering to give ME money to take their car and we’d start the negotiating from there.
HR 676 will be offered as a substitute amendment to HR 3200 when HR 3200 comes to the floor. HR 676 is the Conyers bill, about as straight-up single-payer as you can get.
You gonna help whip it? Public option folks can whip it as a “show of strength” vote.
Amen.
Now I don’t expect said leadership to follow this advice just yet. I never expected much from the Democratic leadership or Obama for that matter. He never was the progressive hero people imagined him to be. Rather, he’ll be as good as we the people prod him to be. My hope–and I’m not giving up on that unless I’m forced to–is that we’ll prod Democratic leadership in this direction.
Thank you FDL for getting up information about town halls and in generating activism. Rather than engage in the defeatism of predicting failure, we need to keep up the fight. What other choice do we have?
Sherrod Brown is talking about how the Baucus bill isn’t quite the shoo-in that its backers want us to think it is:
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress……ate-floor/
This really would be the troops blowing off Big Buck Baucus, wouldn’t it?
Personally, I’ve lost faith in the Big O. He’s not demonstrating the leadership that I was expecting on this and other matters and quite frankly I feel he’s thrown the nation’s progressives under the bus. If you think about it, he’s become the King of the Blue Dogs. I expected him to be a moderate… but he leans right in just about every important area. The war, FISA, civil rights, more recently signing statements and now healthcare reform.
Were he truly for a public option he would have been using the bully pulpit months ago to pound on Blue Dogs both in the House and the recently ID’d ones in the Senate. Rahms recruitment of the Blue Dogs to effect a Democratic majority has yet to show any benefit of any type. His feeble attempts at bi-partisanship are a joke; he’s getting crushed by the wholly Republican-owned corporate media.
You fight forest fires and brush fires by using fire to eliminate the fuels ahead of the fire. Fighting fire with fire. Obama’s using a leaky water gun.
Obama needs to grow a pair and LEAD. Instead he seems to be waiting to see which way the wind blows… and all the hot air is coming from the right.
The progressives are always the Charlie Browns in the Lucy bargain.
I am a reader of FDL, but have never posted. Please be kind, I agree with this post. But I also believe we have wasted time not screaming louder about single payer. I have been dismayed to see the liberal side not have the basic understanding of how Medicare or Social Security for that matter works. I also read The Washington Note and the comments about a poll on the split with younger and older people on health care was alarming. Most older people I know (Democrats) want to see Medicare expanded. I guess I’m with LBJ this, it is a moral matter.
Welcome.
Welcome feel free to argue your point we argue all the time here Socratic method as practiced by Moe, Larry and Curly but by fighting for our ideas and admitting when we are wrong occasionally we do flesh out our ideas and learn our weak points.
Thanks, ThingsComeUndone, but I guess I’m a “scardycat”, unfortunately personal interactions in the last year have made me “jumpy”, Ha.
Take your time I’m not much for people either but ideas that candy is hard for me to stay away from so I write here:)
Health care reform/universal HC is the one issue that made me slightly waver at times between Clinton and O in the primaries because she seemed to have tougher rhetoric…H20 under the bridge.
I’ve never been happy about most Dems with the exception of a few progressives, and it doubt the lineup on that team is gonna change after this. But, I’d love to be proven wrong…
I know what you are saying, but this is so important I can’t think about what could have been. Right now the Democrats are really screwing this up. And I realize the the other side wants to kill Medicare and Social Security. I also think we have some Democrats that would not care either. I’m afraid some in our party do not remember FDR.
OT Jenny Sanford is moving out Mark Sanford called Dummy by Fred G Sanford. (I made the last part up:)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..53970.html
Aunt Esther says Mark has lost her vote Aunt Esther agrees with Fred about something National News:)
It’s about time. Maybe Jenny got her groove back.
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/ly…..-1398.html
Partial Alison Krauss lyrics ” Take me for longing” Agreed Twain I would hate to be married to someone who loved someone else more than me and for everybody to know that brrrr!
But the part I heard is that she is still working to fix her marriage. I know we do not really care….but does that quite make sense? Maybe more peaceful for the kids…or maybe the Sanfords get along better at long distance;)…Just sounded odd.
Divorce is hard she may still be clinging to hope its common but Mark is the one who has to stop wanting other women Jenny can only wait hope and then she decides when enough is enough.
I agree it is more peaceful for the kids to be away seeing Mom and Dad fight all the time is not good. Still when Jenny/the cat is gone Mark the
mouseweasel will play if left alone to long.The guys at C street will tell him he’s just fine.
If he believes that the marriage is over Jenny needs to hear its over for good. Jenny needs to hear I’m an idiot. I made a mistake and will do anything to get you back.
Clock is ticking for Mark. The Press is on him now lying to Jenny waiting for her to cool down and then go back on the sly won’t work.
Jenny can’t close her eyes and lie to herself if Mark makes the 10′ o’clock news and every local reporter here and in Argentina knows if they catch Mark its a National Story.
Welcome. Glad to have you here.
Single payer was never going to fly, IMO. Option might. Let’s hope.
This is meant for pdgrey
OT but related from DU’er Mira an account of some brave Dems at a Repuke gathering!
Were fighting back this is Great News made my day Nahant:)
Maybe but the “Police” were very Biased against them!! Sure shows how thing aren’t always FREE in our country!!
True but they showed up! Thats what counts and police bias will only harden many of them’s resolve.
I’m still happy.:)
Now you are learning how NC went blue in 2008. Brave dems.
Good for them. Hopefully it will continue to spread as people learn that the Repukes are the Party of NO for the people and Yes For the Big Buck Corporations! They can’t help but give them more and more welfare while people loose their homes and die from the lack of medical care!!
This is a confession that there are Democrats who will block cloture. Might be worth getting them on record as supporting cloture.
The only whipping call I made this week was to the White House.
Twain and Teddy Partridge, thanks for the welcome. I hope I can say something helpful, or at least so I could stop yelling at my TV.
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I always like to advise folks to have a basket of rolled up socks, or koosh balls, available to throw at the tv. You don’t want to accidentally reach for a shoe.
I’ve found it remarkably soothing to simply not have a TV. Having our set break down was a blessing in disguise.
If I were an artist, I would draw a political cartoon of an old-fashioned steam engine train with the guys in the striped coveralls frantically shoveling money instead of coal into the firebox. The train would, of course, be labeled “The American Economy.” The Firebox would be labeled “Insurance and Pharmaceutical industries.” The two guys in the overalls shoveling in the money would be Republicans and Democrats in congress.
As it seems to me the debate is no longer whether we should keep shoveling in the money, but they’re bitterly divided on how quickly to shovel the money in.
Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I had ta chase the dogs outta the flowers so I couldn’t get Mike Stark on MSNBC….HOW DID STARK DO ON MSNBC??!!!
Twain, I understand that the conventional wisdom is that “Medicare for All” would not fly, but I think there is a reason John Conyners and Jay Rockefeller were locked out of the health care debate.
The reason is? Not being harsh just curious.
It’s just because I know that first, it’s John Conyers bill and even though Jay is not great on everything, health care was really important to him. Sorry, about no backup on that statement,.
This Cartoon from DU says it all about the BLUE DOGS
That a really good cartoon. Just sent it on to others.
Good!! I did the same!
Sorry to jump on then off, but I need to take care of my sister. She has MS. I guess you know why I care so much about the health care debate. I’ll be back. And thanks for the welcome.
It is not hard to see where the Teabaggers will go next with this. Come October or November, when the Senate has to do the bill by reconciliation, Beck, et. al., will call for a Million Teabagger march on DC to shut down the government by intimidation.
you keep using that word, “leaders.” I don’t think it means what you think it means.
The senators’ “leaders” aren’t fellow senators from their own party. Their leaders are the corporate entities who finance the rotten boroughs the senators are “elected” from.
Nice post Scarecrow.
I’ve been blogging about this for some days now here. And I’m afraid that even if Congress settles on the most “progressive” of the bills under serious consideration (assuming that the floor vote for HR 676 isn’t yet serious consideration), I won’t be in support of it. Nothing under consideration will work to lower costs. So this has been just a waste of time. We’ll be better off bringing trying again next year, and in each succeeding year they get it right. Btw, Kip Sullivan has a new post today on how the public option was sold replying to his critics, at: http://www.pnhp.org/blog/