Ever since Sen. Kent Conrad started pushing member-owned co-ops as a substitute for a public option, we’ve needed to know how the co-ops could possibly perform the functions intended for the public option. How could a Conrad Co-op function effectively (and be governed) at a national level and how could it provide a meaningful alternative to today’s mega insurance companies, forcing them to lower rates, stop screwing people or lose market share?
Now that the White House has deliberately elevated co-ops, while lying about it, it has finally occurred to the New York Times that perhaps we need some answers. Unfortunately, the Times article by Robert Pear and Gardiner Harris can’t answer key questions because "the co-op idea is so ill defined that no one knows exactly what it would look like or how effectively it would compete with commercial insurers," but it does suggest that we can’t expect any meaningful competition from co-ops for a long time, if ever:
As the debate rages, lawmakers are learning that creating cooperatives — loosely defined as private, nonprofit, consumer-owned providers of health care, much like the co-ops that offer telephone, electric and other utility service in rural areas — will not be easy.
The history of health insurance in the United States is full of largely unsuccessful efforts to introduce new models of insurance that would lower costs. And the health insurance markets of many states suggest that any new entrant would face many difficulties in getting established.
More important, the article reveals why Senator Conrad and others are pushing the idea so hard.
Mr. Conrad’s own state demonstrates the uncertainties surrounding cooperatives. Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota dominates the state’s private insurance market, collecting nearly 90 percent of premiums. As a nonprofit owned by its members, the company would hope to qualify as a co-op under federal legislation, said Paul von Ebers, its incoming president and chief executive. . . .
Any new insurer in North Dakota would probably try to take members from the local Blue Cross plan, but that would not be easy to do.
So, BCBS controls 90 percent of the market, and it wants to be the exclusive not-public-plan Conrad Co-op to provide an alternative to . . . itself.
Why would BCBS bother to compete against itself? Because if you qualify to be the "reform" Conrad co-op, you’re automatically eligible for the exchange, you get start-up funding (and no other competitor does), and any insurance plan in the exchange gets a share of the business ginnned up by the individual/employer mandates, and it is entitled to receive federal subsidies to help people pay whatever premiums the 90-percent dominant monopoly charges. It’s a terrific scam that only a monopolist could love.
What about Sen. Chuck Grassley’s Iowa?
In the 1990s, Iowa adopted a law to encourage the development of health care co-ops. One was created, and it died within two years. Although the law is still on the books, the state does not have a co-op now, said Susan E. Voss, the Iowa insurance commissioner.
Wellmark Blue Cross and Blue Shield collects about 70 percent of the premiums paid in the private insurance market in Iowa and South Dakota.
To become established, a new market entrant would have to offer lower prices or better services, Ms. Voss said, adding: “Wellmark has a huge advantage. They already have contracts with practically every doctor in the state.”
So, if Wellmark BC/BS weren’t eligible to be a Conrad Co-op, then some other entity would need to be created to wrestle market share from Wellmark BC/BS, but the historical success rate for that happening is zero. In the meantime, Wellmark BC/BS could still be eligible for the exchange and federal subsidies as a "private" plan, even if it’s not the Conrad Co-op.
Let’s see, I wonder if the Senators from North Dakota and Iowa and others on the Finance Committee get any campaign contributions from BC/BS/Wellmark and industry? I’m shocked, shocked. And it’s only fair to mention Evan Bayh’s direct conflict ties to Wellpoint in Indiana, via his wife (h/t masaccio).
But of course, this corrupt scheme will bring Republicans flocking to support a reform bill, right? Uh, that would be a "no" for Kyl and DeMint because the co-op is a "Trojan horse."; and here’s Orrin Hatch:
Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, said he saw the differences as more semantic than substantive. “You can call it a co-op, which is another way of saying a government plan,” Mr. Hatch said.
Someone in the Obama White House — as in someone who claims control over every WH action, message, and detail — needs to explain how the effort to reform America’s health insurance industry (since we’re not doing health care reform anymore) became hijacked by corporate whores looting the Treasury to bail out monopoly insurance companies. And why should any decent American, never mind liberal Democrats, support this travesty?
But that’s the next post.
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Jane and Howie (via ActBlue) et al are working with DFA to thank/reward the progressives — as in "carrots, not sticks" — who are opposing this giveaway, you can start here and here.



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From the proxy statement linked above, Susan Bayh, Senator Evan Bayh’s wife, doesn’t have to work anymore, she just sits on boards of directors:
Wellpoint paid cash and stock to her of $327,000. She has accumulated 14,724 shares of Wellpoint, worth more than $790,000 after yesterday’s jump in the price of the stock.
Wellpoint is the largest of the Blue Cross operations, operating in a number of states.
Thanks much for finding that link and the comment, masaccio. I’ll add the link to the post.
Doesn’t sound like a kibbutz, to me.
Meet your new co-op, same as the old co-op.
A federal bill to support co-ops was put in place in the 70’s. It was a member of a good non profit in RI it was dystroyed like many others by undercutting pricing from private insurance cos. By underpricing to large groups they dystroyed them because they could not compete. The few good ones around now are in rural areas because private cos have not wanted to invest there. A good example is Grand Junction, CO;s co-op which functions well.
Thanks for the post, which points out that going with co-ops will be more complex, and require just as much government intervention as a public option.
I think that more attention needs to be paid to the kind of regulatory reform needed for any reform to work. The needed regulation will perceived as being very strong government interference by the right wing (in which I include the corrupt and cowardly Blue Dogs).
Swiss style regulation would require a uniform basic plan with well defined benefits and reimbursement policies, in addition to taking all applicants, no arbitrary recsissions. There would have to be rather coercive monitoring of performance with sanctions, rather than the weak voluntary, and patchwork system we have now. We will need risk adjustment to wipe away any excess profits companies gain by cherry picking healtheier populations (which they will still try to do regardless of regulations). If private insurance is to remain, it has to become a regulated public utility, just like the gas or electic companies.
Note that opponents of reform have already opposed this kind of regulatory reform as socialistic government intrusion. As I have posted before, I do not see it that way: there is good reason to believe that no market equilibrium exists in this kind of unregulated insurance market, so therefore the usual peptalks about market magic do not apply.
Competition with lighter regulation can take place on a private market for supplementary insurance. But even that market will have to be more strongly regulated than the market for comprehensive policies is now.
It is just about time for the Obama administration to admit that they have implacable and ruthless enemies to any meaningful reform at all, and make a strong case for their plan, and make a strong attack their ruthless and manipulative opponents. The other side has announced that they cannot be satisfied with anything that disturbs the profits gained by their patrons in the current system. And they have pretty much said that with a big Period at the end.
And as far as the economics, I am just giving my opinion as an economist. As I have said, I do not think a public option is critical. Very strong regulatory reform is critical. This is very standard economics agreed to by economists who know what they are doing. So, I am not speaking as one of those Australian, Swiss or Dutch communists!
Interesting point of view. The public utility model was very successful, providing steady returns to investors with good security.
I think the big problem is that the nation totally believes in privatization of what should be public functions, on the ground that government is a failure at everything. Once privatization takes over, there are a huge range of disfunctional outcomes as private money pushes the boundaries of sensible behavior. A good example is the private juvenile prison in Pennsylvania that bribed a judge to sentence kids to it.
There are plenty of other less egregious examples.
In most markets I do not have a problem with pushing the bounds of sensible behavior. In my view, most home entertainment systems push the bounds of sensible behavior, as do ostentatious home furnishings. But there you have good reason to believe that a market equilibrium exists, so the government should let the market work, and intervene only for special problems (mattress that functionally explode when put to a flame, for instance).
For health care, we have good reason to believe that an unregulated market equilibrium does not exist, and in my mind, that makes all the difference in how to design regulation.
IMHO, an implicit Big Lie that is constantly repeated is that unregulated market competition has not been tried. It has been tried for almost 30 years. The buzzword back then was ‘managed competition.’ The management part of it was voluntary regulation that turned out to be very weak and ineffective, especially whne one or two insurers or managed care organization dominated a market, public information (that is still not all that good, due to the voluntary nature of the regulation), and ability of consumers in employee based and public plans to switch enrollment on a regular basis. That ‘managed competition’ led to the system we have now.
I think anyone with a sense of history would say that the calls for competition are calls for more of the same. Unless we move to a Swiss or Dutch system of insurers as public utilities, and more standardization (through a public process) of reimbursement and provider contracting.
Yeah, I think that hits the point. You could do health reform right with just regulation, if you had any faith that companies would abide by regulations instead of finding ways – legal and illegal – to get around them.
Another examples: Rescissions are currently illegal. Yet insurance companies do it all the time, and freely admit it. They surely don’t abide by those regulations…
IIRC, rescissions done in bad faith are illegal, but rescissions based on knowing fraud by the policy holder are legal. So the question is, what’s knowing fraud. Most of the horror stories we’ve seen are cases in which the insurance company went back after you got sick and filed a claim, and said, “you didn’t tell me about X” and the patients said, “I didn’t know about X.” The the insurers says, “that’s fraud.”
I think what the bills do is to tighten the rules about what fraud requires, so that innocent mistakes could not be a basis for rescission. In addition, if the new rules say, “you can’t deny a policy to someone because of prior conditions,” then most of the foundation for rescission goes away.
That’s right. But it speaks to the culture in this country of evading regulation at all costs, unlike other countries, where regulation is accepted in good faith by corporations.
The public utility model that was the brainchild of Theodore Newton Vail?
Disclosure: I am half Swiss, so I DO have a conflict of interest when it comes to the Swiss Menace, as Krugman called it. Just so I have all my cards on the table.
What’s the population of Switzerland? Are the insurers profit or non-profit? How many insurers and what’s the market concentration.
I have serious doubts that it would be possible to impose cost-of-service, untility-like rate regulation on the national mega insurers and all their variations. The PO, in the abstract, was meant to substitute for rate regulation by being the safety valve on premium excess. If the insurers got too far out of line, they’d lose customers to the PO, and we’d gravitate towards single payer. I don’t think we’re smart enough to regulate insurance rates on a national scale, because I used to help regulate very large utilities in a very large state, and despite having hundreds of staff, we’d get out butts kicked by the utilities who could always outgun us with highly paid “experts” — which ratepayers paid for.
I agree that is the advantage of a public PO, if it were big enough to have market power it could impose a stable equilibrium. But without strong regulation and risk sharing, the public plan might get the sicker people, and it might not be feasible without taxpayer subsidies, which I think would undermine its long run viability.
I don’t know much about the legal aspects of it. I think the burden of regulatory oversight would be less because much of the regulation could be done by setting very strict rules of the road. For example, every private company must offer the identical basic plan with identical defined benefits with identical reimbursement mechanisms. The idea is to force a pooling equilibrium among the whole population, and that would do a lot of work of the regulation.
The Swiss health insurance compnaies operate essentially as non-profits in the market for basic comprehensive policies, but are free to make bigger profits on the supplemental insurance market. But, I do not know the legal angles of it.
You can read about the Swiss, and other systems here (warning, large pdfs, so easier to just download them than open in browser).
Scroll down and look for reports on Switzerland and Netherlands for how a private based market would work.
European Observatory on Health Systems and Policies
HiT country profiles
http://www.euro.who.int/observatory/Hits/TopPage
If I have made mistakes on the legal angles, please let me know.
Bottom line is that the government sets down many more rules about how business is conducted than even public utility regulation in the US. So maybe I should have said ‘even stronger regulation than US public utilities.’
The common features for all plans idea is included in the House and HELP bills. That occurs in the exchange. There would be a standard set of services/coverage for every plan offered in the exchange. That’s necessary, because all plans eligible/offered in the exchange are entitled to federal subsidies of varying amounts for folks/familes within 300-400% (dependent on bill version) of the federal poverty level (FPL). It would be very difficult to administer a subsidy system if the plans differed.
In addition, the bills envision a “risk adjustment” mechanism, so that if Plan A winds up with higher cost/risks insurees than PLan B, then Plan B must reimburse Plan A for covering the higher costs/risks. The exchange will help figure out how much money moves and to/from whom — so its administration and its regulations will be a source of constant tension.
However, I don’t think direct rate/premium regulation is included in the bills. The PO could, at least in theory, put downward pressure on rates/premiums, assuming it really were lower cost.
I asked about the size of the Swiss market because that may make regulatory oversight simpler than it would be in the US. And the fact that the Swiss insurers are “non-profit” means there could be a slightly easier task in setting cost-of-service rates, though probably not much. But I agree we are moving towards rate regulation, one way or another, because the competitive model does not fit insurance and so can’t be used as the basis for setting prices.
Here there are cost differences; I wonder if there are similar cost differences in Switzerland.
Well, see there, I should have refreshed my memory before I said ‘identical’. Some of the fee setting is done at the Canton level in Switzerland. So, the analogy here in the US would be state level public negotiations about fees and reiumbursements. But my understanding is that this is mostly a public political process with guidelines for negotiation determined by law, with less discretion left to regulatory bodies than in US public utility regulation.
In any case, a Swiss or Dutch level of legal rules and regulation are where we need to go, for the co-ops to do anything at all, I think.
Okay, that makes sense. I think cost-of-service regulation at the Canton/state level can work for what looks like an administrative accounting function. You can even have competing firms go through a bid-based auction to determine the lowest cost for performing this function. I think I’ll just move to Switzerland; just got back from a conference in Zurich, and it was beautiful, while the natives said, “oh, this is not the nicest place; you should visit____” and it was always some other city/region in the country. Okay.
From my imperfect legal understanding, there are fewer obscure appointed regulatory boards that make rate decisions the way it is done in Switzerland as compared to the US.
Bottom line for me, is that with current squawking about excessive government regulations already being emitted here in the US, the market may not be regulated enough to do anything. I am concerned about reimbursement policies and insurer-provider contracting which are also more highly regulated in Switzerland.
Also the provisions that would limit eligibility for enrollment in co-ops, or public plan is also a bad idea. That would kill its effectiveness too. If there is a basic plan, and insurance companies must take all comers, there should be no income, unemployment or other hardship test for enrolling in any plan.
do I get a discount on co-ops if I’m already (badly) ’served’ by Anthem BC/BS?
The check is in the mail, along with your proxy card to vote for management.
I guess co-ops are the only thing Kent Conrad has ever known, so he thinks they will “work” for everyone in America. What an utter corporate tool.
He needs a primary, badly.
Remember when Blue Cross/Blue Shield was a non-profit, at least in California? Even at that, the amount of money they collected was so immense that when they decided to go for profit-making status, the state of California insisted they use their excess funds collected to create The California Foundation, the thinking being that they took that money out of Californians’ hides and they needed to give it back…
Thanks for picking up this story. Yeah, ain’t it interesting that Conrad’s Blue Cross Boys want to be part of the ‘fancy new co-op’ plan he is cooking up.
I just wonder where he got the idea … hmmm?
Competition!
-G
We can’t expect anything from the Senate till we get rid of Reid as Majority Leader. What a tool!
What can you expect from a Democratic controlled Senate that keeps Reid as leader? They keep him in power because they like what he does.
And the other shoe drops on Kent Conrad’s head. Baucus (D-UnitedHealthcare), Bayh (D-Wellpoint), Conrad (D-BC/BS). Was Bingaman on the committee to provide legitimate co-op cover or does he have a sugardaddy too?
And in the House, Ross (D-UnitedHealthcare), Hoyer (D-UnitedHealthcare).
And in the White House, Messina (protege of Baucus)
I think we know how things got so effed up. So which of the Democratic corporatists opposing real healthcare reform is next to be exposed.
so how did you find out about these critters (varmints), there must be some kind of public record?
I’m in favor of substantially more regulation of insurance practices and rates, and not just for the reasons wegpc gives = no competitive equilibrium, hence no competitive outcomes.
But we also need to be aware of the limits of standard cost-of-service regulation. It’s necessary but not sufficient.
The regulated industry typically has a substantial advantange over the best of regulators in controlling information about their costs and operations. Regulators won’t have enough staff or resources to discover the truth or match the utility’s/insurer’s expertise, even if you assume dedicated regulators. And there will be Administrations in which the regulators are managed by Bush-like appointees, so the regulation becomes a shield for the insurers, rather than a consumer protection device. This is a really hard problem, and there are no great solutions as long as the profit motive drives incentives, decisions and actions.
Conrad is just another corporate shill concerned about their profit margins. He is no better than the GOP. The sooner Obama realizes that no conservatives are going to vote for health care reform, in any form, the quicker we can get the public option pushed through.
If you need any proof of the GOP’s plan, watch GOP strategist Brad Blakeman in this video.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2591
Below is an extract from page 28 of the WHO report in Switzerland I referred to in my comment above. If I understand it correctly, part of the regulation there, by law, is that the insurance companies have open books. Any premium changes must be approved in advance. If the premium changes more than guidelines allow, the governmeng gets to do a complete audit, not only of the books, but all calculations and data used.
So, that is what I mean by strong regulation.
If I have misunderstood anything, let me know. I would love to hear from legal people here on how this compares to regulation of public utilities in the US.
“Compulsory health insurance contributions are community rated, i.e. all subscribers to a particular insurance company within a canton or subregion of a canton pay the same rate. The insurance companies calculate their premiums based on estimates of health care expenditure in a canton or subregion of a canton. These premiums are audited annually by the Federal Office for Social Insurance before they are introduced. If the premiums are too high, the federal government can force the insurance company to reduce them before they are introduced. In order to enforce this system of auditing the Swiss cantons have a right to access information held by the insurance companies about the calculation of these premiums. They have access to both information about the method of calculation and also the cost data used in the calculations of the premiums. To reduce the social impact of per capita premiums, both the Swiss Confederation”
Sounds fairly rational. If there is no underwriting to exclude, little or no denial/rescission, and community ratings, then it seems fairly straightforward to audit payouts against premiums, minus losses, taxes, if any and admin expenses and capital requirements. That’s the laymen’s description of the basis for utility regulation in the US.
Are public utilities’ books that open to regulators in the US?
I had the impression they were not, from the fights over maintenance costs I have read about between PG and E and CA.
The extend of “open books” or “discovery” during a rate case depends on (1) the state laws on the scope of regulation (2) the level and quality of the regulatory staff. In California, the PUC has several hundred employees focused on gas/electric utilities, plus a separate agency for energy policy development related to utilities; but I’ve visited commissions in Montana and the Dakotas where there were less than a dozen investigative staff and the Commissioners/board members are part time. In some states, you can take a year or more on a major rate case; in others you have to be in/out within a f few months, and there’s only so much you can do with limited time, limited staff and no consulting budget to hire experts. The AJ’s office may have additional resources, but whether they’re available to you depends on which party they came from. So there’s lots of variation.
I thnk a big difference here is that while Cantons have authority to negotiate, it is the fedaral Swiss government that audits. So, I think the anlogy would be that US federal government having authority to audit state or regional co-ops and private insurance.
“These premiums are audited annually by the Federal Office for Social Insurance”
And that would mean more effective regulation, and more riots over states rights.
Ignore last sentence fragment in my comment.
The Swiss also regulate benefit package very strictly, and by law use comparative effectiveness analysis as part of the benefit design (that is, they have ‘death panels’). I cannot find the passages right now, and have to go, but drugs and equipment are categorized into four categories of decreasing need for life-extending treatment. Those in the fourth, and least necessary category are not reimbursed. Those in the first two most essential categories are automatically included in the benefit. The stuff borderline third category undergoes a cost-effectiveness analysis.
So, that communist hellhole Switzerland has some very strong regulations, and those are what I think is needed for co-ops to work, or for private insurance to work (though maybe the Dutch have figures out some work arounds -their all private insurance system is relatively new and I will have to check).
Note on the Swiss death panels: level and growth in over 65 life expectancy in Switzerland has been consistently higher there than in US since the introduction of comparative effectiveness analysis.
Meanwhile, Chuck Todd is not only useless on this issue, he is harmful.
No need to go as far as Switzerland to see how a co op works. The Seattle area has one called Group Health. You can go to their website and input all your information and they will give you a quote immediately.
http://www.ghc.org/
To get coverage that included prescription benefits for my family and me, rates started at over $600/mo with a $4,500 yearly deductible. And coverage includes 30-50% copayment.
No savings over what I and my employer are currently paying now.
I informed Lord Baucus and Lord Conrad that their flimsy arguments for co-ops were so easily dispatched that it would appear that they didn’t even think this through….
It would be tempting to call Kent Conrad a prostitute.
But there are some things that even Karen Ignagni wouldn’t do.
I prefer the term “whore”, actually. Hey Kent: How about a vigorous primary challenge, you fucking whore?
Note: Use of the term “whore” is in no way meant to denigrate whores, as understood in the traditional sense of that word.
Thanks, Scarecrow.
I didn’t realize that ND BC/BS was still a not-for-profit (NFP) entity. It must be one of the last in the country. We lost BC/BS as a NFP in New Mexico about ten years ago.
With BC/BS as a NFP, Conrad’s position now makes perfect sense. Authorize co-ops, let ND BC/BS become the de facto (probably even de jure) entity in the state and they’ll be feeding in high clover.
Although I realise this is tangential to the conversation, I bring it up because it occured during a debate on health care. I was watching Hardball and Tweety said the following:(paraphrase) “I guess you are to the left of me, it’s safer for me.” I really wasn’t shocked, but it just fell so carelessly out of his mouth.
We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance, we don’t need no stinkin’ co-op, we are dyin’ out here cause we need health-care…we also don’t need no stinkin’ blue dog lyin’ ass conflict of interest hypocritter same as Republican bastards. Can’t wait to vote’em out.
It seem to me that the Obama administration is to weak and the Democrats in Congress too spineless or compromised to pass substantial healthcare reform. The best scenario maybe to demand single payer, the only viable option, or scuttle the whole thing and work for a better Democratic party by primarying all Rahm Dems and supporting a challenge to Obama in the Dem primaries in 2012. This Democratic Party appears to be hopeless, and it’s just a place filler preventing the GOP from assuming power. But they are too weak, too spineless, or too compromised to get anything real accomplished. No bill would be better than a bad bill. What a pity to waste a voter mandate.
Thanks so much for the post, Scarecrow and the dialogue with the knowlegeable ones.
Can hardly wait for the next installment on where do we go from here.
Blessings to all,
RESIDENT OBAMA: HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT
President Obama has shown himself to be a man totally lacking in backbone. Ever seen a strand of overcooked spaghetti. Give it a little push and it moves this way or that way or any way you want it to. That appears to be Obama’s approach to Congress. Give me something he seems to say and I’ll sign it. No Wall Street regulation. OK. No bank regulation. OK. No public health care option. OK.
We need someone in our party with a lot more spunk than that. That seems to be Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats in the House who support the public option. Speaker Pelosi and her Democratic colleagues may have to oppose a Democratic president to bring the public option to a vote. But the group of liberals in the House appear to have the gumption to do it.
Good to hear from some Democratic senators for a change. Where you guys been?
Hey! Kay Hagan, time to stand up and be counted for the public option. Obama needs all the backbone he can get.
Here’s a thought. How about sending Baucus and Conrad over to the Republican caucus where they belong and using reconciliation to pass the public option. If those two want to remain Democrats Obama needs to whisper in their ears or the president won’t get bipartisanship from his own party.
Passing a public option is the only way to save Obama’s presidency and preserve a Democratic majority in Congress.
Obama needs to make an address to the nation right now. He will veto any sham legislation passed by Congress that does not contain a public option.