There is something of value when elites tell you the truth, even while they’re insulting you. So when the courageously anonymous *cough* senior White House official told the WaPo that anyone who thinks the Public Option (PO) — the feature the President has been personally selling to the public and his supporters — really is important must be from the misguided "left of the left," I assume it’s a compliment.
Now comes The American Prospect’s co-editor, Paul Starr, describing support for the PO as "overwrought" and telling us to "chill out." Shorter Starr: "You are and always have been dupes, you’ve been used, and now get back in your place, because the grownups need dupes like you."
Starr is not just making the usual point about how the PO has been so hobbled as to render it likely ineffective. He does that, but we already knew that and don’t need the condescension. Instead he tells supporters they’ve been had, but that it’s okay:
Because the public option has stood no realistic chance of being enacted in the form it was conceived, its main value all along this year has been as a bargaining chip. The proposal will now have served a valuable political purpose if, by sacrificing it, the White House is able to provide enough cover to Democratic senators from red states to get a bill out of the Senate Finance Committee, through the upper chamber, and into conference with the House.
As best I can tell, this also appears to be the White House view. The PO was put out there just to have something to give away to protect "Democratic senators from red states." Note that Starr doesn’t condemn the WH for using its supporters so badly; he praises the WH, and is even cynical enough to encourage PO supporters to keep urging the PO so that the eventual give away will be more valuable and more credible when it actually occurs.
Neither Starr nor the WH apparently feels the need to explain why progressives should agree to be pawns, agree to be humiliated, compromised and then rolled, only to make life easier for conservadems who don’t believe in democratic values like providing health care to everyone as a matter of right.
Starr also repeats misconceptions that have led folks ranging from otherwise informed Ezra Klein and Matthew Yglesias to the misinformed Joe Klein (see video) to confuse other features, such as the "exchanges," with the competitors in the exchange.
It simply hasn’t penetrated with some folks that the critical reform that’s important to the American people (now confirmed by Rasmussen) is not that there will be a place to make choices (the exchange) but having another, different choice to select (the PO) that doesn’t function under the same perverse incentives that drive the private insurers.
Creating an exchange may be worth doing to lower information costs, but an exchange without the additional choice of a viable PO adds almost nothing of real value. Joe Klein thinks the exchange helps pool risk; uh, no, the mandates to purchase insurance is the mechanism that creates the pool to do that. And he thinks the exchange gives consumers market power — nope — and that consumers in the exchange would be able to negotiate terms with the insurers offering plans in the exchange — not even close. All the exchange does is provide a place — e.g., a website — to provide information on what’s available. It don’t increase your leverage or enable you to negotiate with enhanced market power. Klein just makes that up.
In a PO-less exchange, all we get is a relatively small number of dominant private insurers that have a stranglehold on the private market. That "market" is not competitive, can never be competitive and will be dominated in most regions by near monopolies with price-fixing market power. But the private insurers will benefit from the mandates and federal subsidies. How is this reform?
So when Starr claims that . . .
As a result, individuals and small employer groups have an enormous amount to gain from a more efficient system. Creating that system — a fairer and more efficient market for insurance — is the main purpose of the exchanges and related reforms.
. . . he’s talking through his hat. How many times do Krugman, DeLong, Stiglitz, Baker, et al have to explain there can’t be an efficient market for insurance?
The whole point of "insurance reform" is to force the industry to change its destructive monopolistic behavior or be replaced. New regulation can start that, but the PO creates another choice the American people can select. Giving them that choice is a compromise between simply replacing the insurers outright and perpetuating/bailing them out. Single payer would replace them; mandates with federal subsidies would perpetuate/bail them out.
Starr also misses the forest when he discusses why the risk allocation provisions would not shield the PO from adverse selection — as would occur if private insurers in the exchange can dump sicker patients that the PO must then cover:
Some provisions in reform legislation attempt to mitigate this risk. The most important of these calls for "risk adjusting" payments by the exchanges to the plans — that is, providing a bonus to plans that enroll a sicker population and paying proportionately less to plans that enroll a healthier group. But it would be a mistake to think that such methods can completely avert the danger that the public plan will experience higher costs. As a result, just to break even, the public plan might require higher premiums than private insurers charge.
Think about what he’s saying. Even though exchange rules prohibit private insurers from denying coverage to those with prior conditions, the insurers are so good at this they will do it anyway. So the PO might have to cover these people the insurers dump.
I agree that could happen, because regulations without an effective enforcement mechanism are never enough to overcome such powerful incentives to screw people. But if that is true, the same insurers will be even more likely to avoid (i.e, not market to) and dump high-risk patients in a PO-less exchange, but these sick people simply won’t be able to get alternative coverage because there’s no PO. That means the already less than universal coverage would simply fall short of it’s already modest goals.
We know how the private insurers will behave; their profit-based incentive system and demands of Wall Street investors will dictate their actions. The key question reformers have to answer is whether we’re going to continue shielding such behavior or begin to confront it. Will we start putting in place the mechanisms to replace them if — as is likely — they can’t change their spots?
In the meantime, this "overwrought" advocate has no intention of "chilling out," just to help Rahmbo’s strategy of screwing progressives and bailing out the insurance monopolists. If Rahm threatens to give away the PO, progressives should demand we not subsidize the private insurers. Hope I’m not being too subtle.
Related:
Glenn Greenwald, Why the health care debate is so important
Paul Krugman, Why markets can’t cure healthcare
Dean Baker, Do the WaPo and Parker need counseling?
Brian Beutler-TPM, Insurance companies teabagging against reform?



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Can’t say I have a dog in this fight, personally. I qualify for VA and Medicare (so maybe I do have a dog re Medicare).
As for Obama — Obama is as Obama does, in my opinion.
Being merely an interested observer, I see the ball in Obama’s court.
LBJ got the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts through congress against fierce and strong opposition. LBJ knew how to be an SOB.
Obama wants to be a smoothie, a charmer. He should look to LBJ.
I dunno, I don’t want to see Bo picked up by his ears.
Obama has never viewed progressives as more than a resource to be exploited, either for campaign funding or as a pole to assist his triangulation. He will only cede as much to the left as he is compelled to, so we have to do everything possible to increase the pressure.
Is this Starr related to the infamous/notorious Kenneth?
Just curious.
Thanks for this, Scarecrow. Somebody’s got to stay on top of the lies and spin from the Villagers!
FunnyWheelieDiva
No relation. Just another liberal who thinks it’s okay to pressure progressives to get a bill instead of Blue Dogs.
No, this is the Starr who wrote ‘The Social Transformation of American Medicine” which was an apologia to the AMA and a huge condescending book telling people why they should be thankful that we have such a profits-driven health care industry in this country.
we really need to get more people talking about this issue and tshirts that cause them to ask us what the message is about would be a good way.
tshirt ideas:
WWJD? He’d support a public option.
I like it, but it is intellectually dishonest; Jesus would support Single Payer.
well, amen to THAT, Jesus would definitely support single payer.
but i’m an atheist so i’m too concerned about the honesty part of that….
I’m an atheist too and I like your slogan because it better fits the fight, I was just being a snarky jerk. :)
I asked around trying to figure out who Ambinder meant when he said this:
The consensus was that Starr was definitely on the list, as were Zeke Emanuel and the wankers from AARP and Families USA.
AARP has Medicare. Why should they care about insurance reform?
The AARP has an interest in health care reform of fee-for-service becuase Medicare may be efficient insurance, but its bad economics.
Who are the others: Starr, Families USA?
Since AARP is partners with United Health for their insurance “options”/supplemental policies they offer for Medicare, I was always sure they were not going to be on the right side.
When there was talk of finding some savings in Medicare, I was pretty sure they wouldn’t be there, either.
Who is the “health policy community”? Apparently, it doesn’t include advocates for either patients or potential patients. Is there some way we can move into this community? Are there covenants?
or “co-ops”
I wish they allowed comments on Starr’s editorial, I’d like to tell him what I think about his selling out the poor and uninsurable of this country.
Neither Starr nor the WH apparently feels the need to explain why progressives should agree to be pawns, agree to be humiliated, compromised and then rolled, only to make life easier for conservadems who don’t believe in democratic values like providing health care to everyone as a matter of right.
MY linked to Starr’s rant on his end of the day tab dump. I left a comment at MY’s place telling him what I thought of his co-worker.
If Starr, the white house and the villagers believe that progressives and liberals will vote Democratic anyway after being thrown under the bus or used as pawns, they are mistaken. Badly.
OF COURSE the White House is playing you! Anybody — make that EVERYBODY — can see that! And you sit there and let it happen.
Look, I sincerely admire your passion, your intelligence, your commitment, and your willingness to work. But you’re gigantic suckers. Obama doesn’t give a damn about you.
You’ve got Battered Progressive Syndrome. You gave all you had to Barry and now he’s coming at you with whiskey on his breath and whiskey on his his sleeveless undershirt and a belt wrapped around his fist.
You cry and plead, and when he’s done, you cry some more.
And then tomorrow you come back to him.
Sad.
Didn’t notice the rolling pin behind my back, didja?
This punk keeps showing up like a bad penny.
I know this is an old idea, but at what point do we organize a Million Man (or Woman – thanks Eric Idle) March for this stuff?
The March? Try September 13. DC and elsewhere.
Robert Reich thinks it’s necessary.
The bad penny has a point this time.
Just yearning for truth.
two things strike me…
#1) the tremendous number of mainstream media types (Connelly, Tumulty)– and especially “professional” liberals like Starr, Ambinder, Yglesias, Klein (both of them) who are suddenly telling us that there never was a realistic chance that a “public option” would be included and/or that Obama never really supported it.
#2) the continued refusal of the rest of “the left” to acknowledge that Obama is the enemy, that he duped all of you, and has no intention of following through on his promises — and indeed will deny that he ever made those promises (see not just health care, but FISA, and coming soon to you, a massive sellout on cap-and -trade.)
Obama is the enemy!
Oh shit, how do I get bumper stickers off my car?
And thanks for keeping the spirit of Novakula alive Paul.
Ed was really riled up today. Did you see how he took on Jonathon Alter? They were going at it hammer and tongs.I don’t see how anyone can say it’s OK just to make sure “prexisting conditions” is the main focus of this bill when people do not have the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to even pay for the insurance.
Barney Frank wins the day IMO
I was very disappointed with Alter.
I agree. Originally Pres. Obama stated some goals (to control costs, improve health care and to cover everyone). There are several techniques to achieve each of those. Stopping insurers from refusing insurance because of pre-existing conditions is ONLY one technique to getting better service. Some of us would go further and say it ends their fraud, but that’s not necessary rhetoric for the debate.
Insuring everyone has always been one of the primary goals (originally 3, later 4) and if the private insurers can’t or won’t do it, then there is no other option but the public option.
Incidentally, it’s also part of lowering costs. By insuring everyone we increase the pool of reserves and that should allow lower premiums for each person/family/employer.
Again, “sad’” needs health care with strong regulation and consumer protection as much as anybody and will require health care for a long time. Hopefully there will not be a preexisting condition in “sad’s” future. Otherwise, the current health care environment will have no compassion on the preexisting condition.
Well, liberals and progressives should really kill this thing. Just be done with it. Give up the sunk costs. Campaign against it. Because this is a crap policy. When on earth did it become the Democratic position that subsidizing the profits of insurers was good governance? Oh, they wrap it up in a lot of benevolent speak, but this is surely not social insurance. It’s fiscally reprehensible. And, Exchanges are expensive. I live with one and still can not afford insurance. In fact, 3.5-4.5 of premium costs goes to salaries for the Connector alone(http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/august/health_care_agencys.php). It’s absurd. I mean, the insurers are making a great deal for themselves here. We’ll stop underwriting and cherry picking in exchange for a big new captive market. No liberal would support this if Mitt Romney were proposing it. Further, it doesn’t lower costs. Premiums have risen faster than the national average in MA. And, finally, much of the proposal deals with what Obama campaigned on, “entitlement reform”, cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. Maybe those cuts all above board but I frankly don’t trust it. Obama has not even named anyone to administer Medicare. That’s kind of odd at a time when huge cuts are being debated. Once you create a monolithic private system like this it is very hard to control. You have essentially made more people dependent on the private industry, as has happened in MA. the response to rising costs hasn’t been regulation, or social insurance, it’s been global payments.
Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!
WTF?
i ask in all seriousness. i have no idea what your comment is supposed to be referring to.
I’m ok with that.
okay then. will leave you alone to talk with yourself.
Who are the members of this “community”. They have a lot of explaining to do. Who elected them and who do they represent? They have created a nightmare of a health system. Why should these failures have any influence. Oh please please name these bloodsucking parasites.
Tom Delay asks Chris Matthews on MSNBC: “Will you ask the President to show his gift certificate?”
Don’t you just love the way DeLay dismisses the birth announcements in the newspapers?
Civics is truly dead if ‘we’ don’t take this guy out and buy him a bouquet of balloons and some cotton candy instead of listening critically.
Dear Paul,
Many progressives are tired of deferring the heavy lifting of decision making on important issues like health care to the future and future generations as an IOU because we didn’t have the courage to act affirmatively. I am tired of your form of “compromise” which is just a nice name for political cowardice because you value reelection more than serving the public and their needs.
It’s time for real leadership and committment to the promise that you people made in the campaign. So stop telling us to “chill out” and get your head out of your ass and get the public option passed.
We don’t have time to listen to your bullshit, we’re mad as hell and we’re not taking it anymore. And we won’t be placated until you do the right thing—pass a single payer system of healthcare for Americans.
Got it now?
Folks, Check out here and here for what to do to get even with Paul Starr. The second plays off a recent post of Scarecrow’s.
People like Starr don’t pay a bit of attention to Nobel Winning economists and their ilk. After all, they’re (Starr et al) pundits and pseudo-journalistas, knowledge and intellect are for the East Coast Effete Elite after all.
Maroon.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..e-anything
And I felt this way in April.
wow.
thanks scarecrow for reading starr so i don’t have to. i know i should read the link, but i just can’t bring myself to do it.
What I can’t figure out is what Obama is smoking other than the occasional ciggy in the Rose Garden. Does he really think that the Progressives who supported him in 2007/8 are going to get onboard any campaign he runs in 2010 for more of the same?
Be not in doubt, next year the republicans are going to trumpet how they used “bi-partisanship” to roll the Dems once again. They are going to go after “weak, ineffectual leadership” and count on the 24/7 news cycle viewer with a 60-second attention span to not remember that it was them and Preznit Economy Destroyah who got us here in the first place. They figure if they can screw this up they’ll get a bye on their bad behavior from 2000-2006.
And they’ll probably be right, because Obama will be standing up on the Hill crying about bipartisanship and wondering why he’s getting primaried with a vengence in 2012.
OT, but remember the diary from Herta asking for help… I guess we couldn’t help.. :(
‘Officials with the Department of Homeland Security are defending the deportation of a teenager to Albania, saying in a statement that the teenager “has fully exercised her right to due process.”
Herta Llusho, 19, an engineering student who lives in Grosse Pointe Park, came to the U.S. in 2001 from Albania along with her family on a tourist visa. They applied for political asylum, but were denied in the courts. Llusho and her mother were scheduled to be deported today.’
http://www.freep.com/article/2…..1001/rss01
They are constantly trying to deport those other “brown” people. Its nothing “new” – http://www.democracynow.org/20…..s_out_from
This just proves the Federal Government are bad loosers. Nothing directly to do with the WH actually but the Justice Dept…
there can’t be an efficient market for most “commons” if there weren’t public school it would be priced out of reach, if not for public water works we would be forced to shower in the squaler of strangers at a cost we could not afford, the gym would not provide showers
and we would be forced to use candles as our source for light, none of us could afford the toals on roads either
I keep saying this and it must be told again;
there is NO such thing as a “free market that regulates itself”, it does not exist, can’t exist, never existed, never will exist, it was a marketing concept created by those concerns who did not want to pay their own bills and it is even less a possibility then transporting to another planet in the blink of an eye
God Bless Barney Frank and Joan Walsh for saying like it should be told.
“Like arguing with the dinning room table” – Classic
In Cali we are largely safe from whatever happens, only one Senator on the fence but she’ll vote for it.
Geezus, I think MSNBC is part of the problem. What point are they trying to prove. I think we already know there’s about 25-30% of the population that is just clueless and impossible to talk to. They are moved by simple emotions and bumper sticker phases.
They can’t be reasoned with, they didn’t want Social Security, Civil Rights, they didn’t want Medicare (they also don’t want the Government to touch it now that its law) and replace Nazi or Hittler with N***** and you would closer to the truth.
They have there own network and sub-networks, we already know they are nutter than Grandma’s Christmas Fruit Cake. There’s no need to expose them, they can’t hold up in a rational discussion of the truth or the facts anyway.
What Keith, Maddow and the rest need to focus on his HAMMERING Health Care Reform.
~~~ModNote: Edited in moderation to clear filters.~~~
Gawd i feel like a sucker. Obama Is no liberal. I am smiling (through my teeth) at how we all winked and grinned when he talked about how great he thinks the “free” market is…LOL he wasnt just trying to reassure the nervous bourgiouse. I think Bo is absolutley in love with the market world concept. I think he is turning out to be a real elitist, sort of a color blind Neitzchean. Where the “cream” rises to the top naturally and we need a permanent “servile” class to service the needs of the “blonde” beast, only with that there will be some dark skinned folks among the golden class ( to make it more exciting at the poolside orgies i guess) I am an old fashioned liberal. the kind who beleives that markets must be KEPT free, like sidewalks in the winter, and without heroic vigillance we are only a step away from economic fascism, and hereditary rule.
Spencer Ackerman is upstairs!
I’m Sure It Will Surprise Everyone That Bill O’Reilly Selectively Edited His NN09 Piece
This has stopped being about health care.
A month or two ago I sussed out what Obama’s Health Care game was and my analysis isn’t that different from Starr’s. If he REALLY wanted a Public Option he could have made that clear and actually, his not making that clear was making his position clear. The real game was given away when single-payer was kept out of the room. And HR3200 is a far cry from the original public option. In wonk terms it really may not matter that much and Starr may even be right.
But, this is no longer solely about Health Care. It’s now also about Wall St. friendly stimulus packages that left them just as much in charge as ever, Afghanistan, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, Iraq, no EFCA, Gitmo, jobs never coming back while the plutocracy continues to be happy as pigs in shit and all the other crap we’ve been asked to eat after we thought we WON an election. We gave him a pass on all that other shit so he could get health care done and he can’t get Health Care Done. It’s about Republicans who genuflect before their base while Democrats only know only how to kick theirs. Even After a landslide victory. It’s about power politics and marshalling the little piece of power we do possess to put up a big barricade in the way and say “We shall not be moved.”
Because without us, Obama is ultimately nothing and he has got to understand that. If this little fight does that it is worth it, quite beyond whatever ultimately happens with Health Care. Because if we cave easily we won’t get anything on any of that other stuff either. And if we don’t, we just might!
as you mention “gitmo the wars, (and the mercenaries)EFCA,dont ask dont tell”, and i’ll add FISA, torure, renditions, and of course. healthcare. Whats left? theres really nothing left. he has shown hostility to every single promise he made during the campaign.
Jane is upstairs!
Ambinder: White House “Won’t Buckle” To Liberal Demands For Public Plan
A lot of partisan whining here. Maybe the electorate and eventually politicians would get the message if bloggers concentrated on explaining why government-run health care is in fact better, rather than complaining about being “rolled over”.
Tiresome. Many posts have been written linking to studies done in the US (Commonwealth Fund) and by international organizations showing that the US system falls behind most of the developed countries that have variations of government-based universal health or universal insurance systems. In the US studies have shown that the best care in the US is provided by the VA system, which is totally government-based. There is generally wide satisfaction from seniors for Medicare, though less from Medicare providers because of the lower payment systems. To suggest no one writes about these, or isn’t aware of these studies is just wrong. Instead, general knowledge of these studies is assumed to be widespread among those who read progressive bloggers. That assumption may not be true, but it is certainly not true that bloggers haven’t written such posts.
Check the International Statistics on health care outcomes in different systems. Outcomes here are much worse than in single payer systems in other developed countries, and the country (Canada) that is second to the United States in per capita expenditures on health care spends only 50% of what we spend and gets care that is better on key indicators. One of them is life expectancy so that if your child is born and lives in Canada he or she will, on the average, live 3 years longer that if your child were born and lives in the US. What’s it worth to you for your child to have 3 more years of life?
Scarecrow, I actually read the Starr article, unlike most commenters here as far as I can tell. I bow to no one in my hatred of the GOP and the insurance companies, but the guy made some decent policy points. But the blame-our-own-party-firsters here will have none of it, I’m sure. They are still waving those ’single-payer-now’ signs they carry in their heads, because this isn’t really the U.S. circa 2009 — otherwise known as the United Corporations of America — but some fantasy land where phone calls and ridiculous ‘pledges’ and angry blog posts actually have an effect.
As I made clear in the post, I don’t disagree with Starr’s statements about how the public option has been hobbled, but that is not an argument for giving it up; it’s an argument for getting a viable version estabiblished and making it stronger over time.
The offensive parts, which I focus on, have to do with the suggestion that advocates are supporting a bargaining chip and should continue to keep it alive as such, but be willing to give it away to mollify conservatives. That’s may seem a great strategy for the WH people who don’t want anything stronger, but it’s not good policy or good politics for those who are being used.
And his statements about how the other reforms will create an efficient competitive market are just flat wrong, as countless economic posts have stated. That last error is serious, because a large part of the opposition to tougher reforms is based on the the myth that we can solve the problem of insurance behavior and monopoly pricing through a competitie market. Debunking that myth is important and fully justified.
I didn’t suggest that everything Starr said was wrong.
You didn’t. But you did say that Starr’s bottom line was wrong and you were right. Progressives should let Starr babble, and run their own legislative effort around Medicare for All and let the President flap his gums about keeping the PO or getting rid of it. We shouldn’t be interested in the PO anyway. After all no one else is interested in the PO compromise, so why should we be. For as long as it takes, the words public option should not cross our lips. We should repudiate it in favor of Medicare for All, and refuse to pass anything at all until we prove that there’s no reform without us by voting down everything else. Then after everything else has been defeated, we’ll see what happens. If all else fails we can pursue the strategy outlined by Scarecrow here and amplified by myself here.
If we listen to you we’ll never end the plutocracy. Get lost!
For someone with some pretty strong opinions, you sure are intolerant of other’s.
Get lost? Really?
Ok. I stepped over the line and apologize to Tangerine.
Well, this:
Sure sounds like STFU to me. “Get lost” at least has the merit of being concise. Is there some community standard I’m missing, here?
Excellent post, scarecrow. This healthcare debate is fracturing the coalition that got Obama elected. In particular we are seeing now splits between Democrats and progressives, between diehard supporters of the man and those whose support was conditioned on the policy agenda on which he ran, and finally between those whose membership in the Establishment and political elites is more important than their stand on any issue. The healthcare debate has been for me a great disappointment on many levels but it is one of those defining occasions where for once we can see clearly in our politics what is what and who is who.
Good Lord. Only a moron would assume that politicians don’t use people, but there’s a level where the line between “using people” and “trying to enslave them” is crossed. Though I must admit, I’m damn glad he’s being honest right now.
Glenzilla nailed it:
“This was the plan all along”
Huff post lead headline is Obama calling us to moral action on health care reform in the phone conference with religious leaders this afternoon.
I was one of the 140k folks who listened in to the “dialogue” and I was deeply saddened by the things that were and weren’t said; I found the experience unbelievably superficial relative to substance issues. I did appreciate the efforts of the interfaith communities across America over recent months and their pledges into the coming 40 days to become actively engaged in promoting health care reform. The event was sponsored by some 30 interfaith denominations and organizations.
But I did let one of the spokespersons of the 40 Minutes for Health Care Reform event (who had been the liaison person) know of my disappointment with the following statement, urging him and other folks in the interfaith network to start educating themselves at firedoglake.
As one who has been a long-time health care advocate, I have to say I was deeply disappointed by the “show.” Those who asked questions received the usual spin of non-answers that have become the common reality of the Obama administration as it back pedals on what I had assumed were sacred commitments but which daily get stomped on by the administration almost as much as the right wing screamers.
I’m glad that so many listened it. But I truly wish it had been a much more honest and in depth exchange; I wish the questioners had asked really relevant questions about what’s in the bill at this stage and what needs to be there, rather than seeking reassurances that the screamers aren’t right about the myths. The latter is important, but not nearly as important as all sorts of other issues that really will or won’t determine the actual future of health care reform and social justice for Americans.
You’ve asked us to pledge to take action; I have some very specific actual and potential actions I’ll be taking in the next forty days, but I wish to God you all had demanded a line in the sand pledge from Obama that he wasn’t going to betray the promises for a robust public auction and that he would demand that the final bill isn’t another bail out of the insurance/drug industry as it currently is. There is so much about the current bill that is so totally lacking in justice and righteousness. The faith community has got to really understand the economics and politics of these legislative processes that go far deeper than the screaming town halls. We have a moral obligation, as does Obama, to really get honest about these proposed realities and I had really, really hoped that I would find much deeper knowledge and greater integrity among the faith communities than I found in this shared call.
Nevertheless, I’m grateful for what you all are attempting to do and hope to birth in the coming weeks.
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Anyone interested in listening to the call proceedings may go to the following link:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/4…..lthReform.
Melody Barnes, the White House Director of Domestic Policy, failed to answer the questions, giving vague predictable responses that ignored the essence of the questions. While Obama did say some things appropriate to his listeners, his gaming us in his evasiveness was painfully obvious to anyone reasonably knowledgeable about what’s going on. It was very difficult for me to listen without great sadness.
If those who listened during the real time event or go back and listen later because they couldn’t access the call (it will continue to be available for awhile)do actually commit to contact their representatives, attend a variety of events and organize “teach-in” type events in their congregations, there can be substantial mobilization of advocates. My concern is the probable ignorance of what they’re advocating for vs. what is actually needed.
Thanks to Jane, and all the rest of the FDL community for your ongoing work.
Blesssings to all
Everybody should watch the Gene Taylor town hall meeting in Moss Point, Mississippi, but especially this clip, where an ob/gyn explains exactly why we need to get some control over the profit motive in healthcare. The audience to me agrees with him far more than disagrees with him. People aren’t hearing it be put this way.
That is what the PO promises – a way to get a handle on the profit motive in health care. Every step away from the PO gets us further and further away from being able to control profit, and the insurance companies and their pet Congress critters know it.
Right. That’s exactly why we ought to get off the PO stuff and go for Medicare for All. If we do we can instantly cut a big chunk of the expense in the system, and then we can more easily turn to real health care reform and not just health insurance reform.
Single payer is the real handle, public option is not.
Leave aside the fact that Medicare for All (single payer) has 4% administrative costs rather than 30%, and Medicare for All captures all of that saving, where public option, exactly because it’s an option, only captures a small fraction of those savings (with 9 million enrollees).
What the mandate does is guarantee the insurance companies a market; the law says you have to buy insurance, and the IRS acts as the enforcer.
That’s a pure bailout for the insurance companies, one, but ask yourself what they’re going to do with that guaranteed income stream: Certainly, they’ll invest a percentage of it in resisting future reform. So much for the incremental approach!
That’s why Clymer’s analogy between incrementalism in Civil Rights and incrementalism in health care is just plain false: Yes, LBJ took an incremental approach, but he didn’t guarantee Bull Connor and the KKK a market so they’d be able to have the money to lobby successfully against future civil rights advocacy. HR 3200 and public option do exactly that.
Does anyone think it’s time to bring medical loss ratios (MLR) into the fore?
We would expect the PO to have a MLR of 100% on an ongoing basis. My experience has shown the so-called sweet spot for most carriers (for-profits as well as commercial ‘lite’ not-for-profits) is well below — ranging from 55% in the individual market to 90% in the small group.
This simple comparison cuts through a lot of white noise and clearly shows exactly why the PO will hold insurers accountable.
MLRs is where the rubber meets the road in the insurance game. My guess is, when forced, insurers will accept a PO rather than have government dictate their profit and loss.
Starting this debate now will have the added benefit of forcing the carriers to play defense because they will need to explain the huge range of MLRs (and other business practices) within their coalition.
Bottom line is the true motives of the industry can be quantified (although not easily collected) in a relatively simple statistic.
I think that’s right. If you can link to worthwhile studies on this issue, that would be helpful. And I need to understand better the relationship with the ratios Wendell Potter was discussion last night on Countdown.
I found the MLR issue covered at http://www.wonkroom.thinkprogress.org…..uch-money/
The link includes a chart showing a 10 year history of MLRs according to PriceWaterhouse. Not surprisingly the trend has been lower MLRs each year. There are also state surveys through Families USA and Center for Public Policy Priorities.
Again, I think the insurance industry would waver on opposing the PO if these simple statistics are widely known and debated. They are simply not defensible.
I like this too. As I understand it the MLRs are intimately connected to the vigorous efforts of the companies to use rescissions and denials based on pre-existing conditions. Can we legislate acceptable MLRs the way we do acceptable profits in Government contracting, or would this be counter-productive? Usually when systems are evaluated based on a single indicator, people find ways to game that indicator to undermine the objective in back of using it.
Nobody could have predicted that the White House would deride and exclude “little
single payerpublic option advocates” as they keep dragging the Overton Window right…