On the same day the Washington Post publishes an article on what a wonderful intelligence asset Khalid Sheik Mohammed became after he was shackled, diapered (as in left to hang in his own feces) sleep-deprived for 7 1/2 days and waterboarded 183 times [Marcy dismantles WaPo's "immoral and irresponsible article" here], the WaPo’s editor, Fred Hiatt, recommends that America invite two former Supreme Court Justices to chair an impartial inquiry to determine how well torture works:
Such a commission would investigate not just the Bush administration but the government, including Congress. It would give former vice president Dick Cheney a forum to make his case on the necessity of "enhanced interrogation techniques." It would examine the efficacy of such techniques, if any, and the question of whether, even if they work, waterboarding and other methods long considered torture ever can be justified.
Yes, that’s exactly what’s been missing, a public forum for Dick Cheney, until now thoroughly muzzled, to illustrate how well these techniques work. America could put this behind us if only Dick Cheney had another chance to explain how well torture has served the interests of the United States, improved its reputation, made itself proud, and set an example for how US forces should behave and how others should treat them.
Perhaps Dick could oversee demonstrations of various techniques, and explain how he and the sadists in the White House and the Justice Department supervised and choreographed each prisoner’s "program."
Of course, there would be a dispute about who to use as the illustrative victim in these demonstrations. The right would want to kidnap some innocent Pakistani or Afghani kid, or some undocumented family from Guatemala and have the Obama Administration render them to the Fox studios where the demonstations could be viewed live, following reruns of 24, with color commentary from Fox’s astute pundit panel.
Others, horrified at first, would soon get in the spirit, because that’s how this works. They might eventually suggest that perhaps the guinea pig should be John Yoo, Bybee, Addington, Rumsfeld or even Cheney himself. Or maybe Fred Hiatt.
EMERGENCY: If there is any international authority with any honor out there, please intervene and bring these thugs to justice. America is no longer capable of preserving the rule of law.



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Fred Hiatt is an idiot. Redundant I know. What he can’t wrap his pathetically small mind around is that torture is illegal, and it is illegal because it is morally and ethically repugnant. Whether it works or not is beside the question. And of course, it doesn’t but to even raise the issue of its efficacity misses the point. Incest could be said to “work” from a sexual point of view. Under the Hiatt Doctrine then, this would provide a justification for permitting it.
I really don’t read or watch the MSM to get information but rather to keep an eye on what they are doing. More and more what they do I can only describe as endless masturbation. The news is not meant to inform but provide an excuse for them to gratify some stupid idea they have.
“Utility uber alles”? danps has a diary today that speaks to this as well. Worth reading.
Orwellian in construct, Fred. I am left gasping and wanting for the appropriate expletives.
BizarroWorld has nothing on The Washington Post.
Are you gasping alot these days? There’s so much to be taken aback at these days. For sure.
I agree with Fred’s first paragraph. The President is between a rock and a hard place. Where Fred goes after that doesn’t cut it with me.
Let’s talk about that Rock and a Hard Place. Shall we? I choose to talk about context. Something that not everyone wants to deal with. But, it is a fact.
What context would that be?
We screamed bloody murder about the rule of law for 8 years, and abandoning that pursuit now would make us, well, Republicans.
While many in my party have rolled over, I am not prepared to go there.
Is there any thing more primary or basic than observing the rule of law?
Rule of law is primary in my book. You are intelligent, as I know, and know what context brings to the table.
How are you, by the way?
I am pissed, sad – check out john in sacramento’s diary (bring tissues) – and ready for a fight.
And you, ma’am?
Been campin at the beach. I saw a Great Blue Heron . Saw four dolphins this morning. Saw glorious sunrises and sunsets. Saw a bigger picture than I usually do. I’m doing pretty well, thanks for asking.
PS…that’s my context. *g*
avoiding the heat, I hope. I could smell the fires in Granada Hills this morning, and the wind wasn’t even blowing.
Seems the rule of law has been placed in the wastebasket along with the Constitution
But even the devil deserves judgement under the law
I’ve been on vacation for the last 4 days. I was hoping people missed my acerbic comments and wanted to jump into the frey.
Or, I could go give myself a pedicure. Camping is dirty business.
Perhaps Mr Hiatt would volunteer to be our test dummy
Hello, Context was not one of George Carlin’s seven words one should not say. But, ….? It mean everything relevant surrounding the situation. Doesn’t it? Or, is that something we’re not supposed to say? To aske me what context would that be, is asking for a lot. In my Big Book.
I understand.
The right is desperately trying to turn this into a debate over whether torture is effective in obtaining information in extremis. This totally ignores the real issue, namely, that torture is immoral, unethical, and illegal. The public knows it is immoral, and lawyers know that it is both unethical and illegal. There’s no debate needed here. Even if torture “works,” or is even the only way, it is ruled out on so many counts, there’s no reason to talk about it as a viable possibility. Even considering it reveals that someone who looks like a human being is really a toad.
The right wants to avoid the real issues at all cost, whether it is in the matter of war crimes (torture), political crimes (illegal politicization), economic crimes (the bezzle), or insurance crimes (practicing medicine without a license).
Lisa Derrick is upstairs!
Reading Rainbow Canceled Just When Glenn Beck Needs It Most
I’m glad you do. On the down side, it’s fucking hot here and there’s a huge fire 15 miles from my house. See ya when my feet are clean. Teddy’s on tonight?
The scariest thing about this whole conversation is the wingers who read Hiatt’s screed & called him a liberal/leftist. Good Lord take me to another place in time!
It is time to have some town hall disruptions of our own.
No matter what the topic, interrupt the meeting with questions about torture and the rule of law.
Repeat.
No wonder KSM “confessed to 9/11″. If I was waterboarded 183 times, had my kids threatened, and suffered horrible brutalization…I’d be confessing to 9/11 and every plot in between.
Commission? Why the fuck not just listen to the interrogation experts? They all say that it does not work.
I feel like puking thinking that this was published in a so-called respectable paper. … torture is wrong because it is torture. What the hell have we become that that alone is not the entirety of the discussion?