Jane Hamsher wonders how a politically vulnerable Harry Reid will reconcile the Senate HELP and Finance Committee (i.e., Max Baucus) bills into a Senate bill to take to the Senate floor. I don’t think there’s much doubt he’ll follow the White House lead and rely heavily on the Bad Max fix.
But I don’t think Reid will pick Bad Max because of some predictable "center" over "left" ideological preference. The choice, I suspect, will be premised on a fundamental difference in the underlying goals.
Ever since the "reform" effort began, I’ve naturally seen the issues in terms of figuring out what actually needs reforming. There are lots of things wrong in provider practices and incentives. But to the extent the insurance industry practices, incentives and inefficiencies were core problems, "reform" meant both ending the egregious practices and creating an alternative insurance model that was not driven by the same anti-consumer incentives driving the for-profit system.
The logical focus of that reform piece was therefore whether we replace the for-profit system wholesale, and if that was deemed out of bounds, then how best to do it piecemeal. The debate over access to a public health insurance option, co-ops and now triggers for either could all be understood within that "reform" framework, and we all read the President’s speech for clues on where he stood on these "reform" issues.
But this annoyingly one-sided but revealing column, The Dime Standard, by David Brooks contains a Rosetta stone that helps interpret what the President was doing in his speech.
Brooks first argues that the President’s speech effectively buried the House bill (it violates the "not one dime" over budget neutral line in the sand, and it’s surtax on the wealthiest violates the rule that revenues must come from within the medical sector) and embraced the Baucus’ framework. Brooks then makes this observation about Obama’s claim he’ll be the "last President" to have to "fix" the system:
For whatever reason, President Obama has decided not to be that president. He has decided to expand the current system, not fix it.
It’s tempting to assume Obama negotiated himself into a corner in which little actual reform was possible and is left with a modest expansion of the existing system and slowly-phased in reforms, all of which will still pass because, we’re told, it would be "obscene" to vote against it.
But suppose "fixing" the system was never the goal? Suppose you’re Pete Peterson, and you’ve spent your career trying to slash America’s "entitlement" programs, and you figured out a way to make drastic cuts in Medicare under the guise of "health care reform."
In that hypothetical, your major goal would be to extract hundreds of billions of dollars from the Medicare payment system, and then build in a politically shielded mechanism to extract hundreds of billions more if the initial cuts didn’t sufficiently reduce Medicare’s hit on the budget.
You’d have to package this carefully, because if you simply announced you wanted to slash Medicare by perhaps a trillion dollars or more over the next decade or so, you’d get slaughtered by AARP and earn the wrath of liberal Democrats and particularly seniors, the majority of whom tend to vote Democratic, or at least they used to.
So you’d talk about eliminating "waste, fraud and abuse" in the system. Few would believe there’s much hope in that, so you’d add the idea of changing the provider payment incentives to get equal or better care by changing how providers practice medicine. You’d talk about "bending the cost curve" and warn folks that unless we did something dramatic, the Medicare deficits would overwhelm the federal budget and dominate the GDP.
It would be useful to have bipartisan cover for the risks of incurring seniors’ wrath, but since the Republicans would be unlikely to participate openly in such a scheme and would rather use it to scare seniors, you probably couldn’t count of them. So you’d settle for a small, manageable "bipartisan" group you could more easily control and which would provide at least temporary cover while you put the package together.
Of course, the core of the Democratic Party would never stand for doing this in lieu of pursuing universal coverage, let alone doing it alone and accepting the risks. But you might be able to convince them you were trying to enact broader "health care reform" and then slip the Medicare package inside the broader effort. That would get the Democrats, including the reform-minded progressives, fully engaged in the details of "reform" while continuing to move the main Medicare piece through the more controlled "gang of six."
Part of the Medicare savings would have to come from reducing subsidies for Medicare Advantage insurers and providers. But to make that acceptable to insurers, you’d offer a deal to AHIP that they’d make up for the losses by getting millions of new customers, which would come from the mandates the "reformists" would impose in pursuit of universal coverage. Once Karen Ignagni signed off on this deal (as she did last spring), and sold it as "we accept no prior conditions in exchange for mandates," a major piece would be in place.
That would leave only the difficult piece where you ease the Democrats, and roll the progressives, so that they bought the whole "incremental" argument. You’d sell a package that included some expansion in coverage but wasn’t really reform. And since expansion wasn’t your priority in the first place, you’d signal in the President’s speech that (1) you had to keep costs under about $900 billion and (2) new revenues could only come from within the health sector.
You’d have the President demand these two arbitrary limits in a national speech to make them hard to overturn. Of course, neither limit had any intrinsic merits; in fact if you wanted true reforms and universality, you’d initially have to find major revenues outside the system, just as the House had done, until the potential savings you hoped to achieve could materialize (or not) within the sector. But if the President set out these limits, and most Democrats didn’t immediately scream, you’d be home free.
As final negotiations moved ahead, Progressive would realize they’d been had. They’d watch in horror as the $900 billion for expansion and affordability got cut down to $800 billion and then $700 billion as the WH originally suggested, exacerbating the risks their yes votes would force the uninsured to purchase junk insurance at prices they couldn’t afford but their no votes [would leave them uncovered and either vote risked tanking the party.]
So there it is: the Pete Petersons would get drastic trillion dollar cuts in Medicare, while Democrats tried to hide from seniors the fact they’ve been asked to risk benefit cuts to fund a questionable expansion of coverage which, after all, was only a cover for hacking Medicare. It’s a neat trick.
And all that stuff about the "public health insurance option" and co-ops and/or triggers? Nice diversion, but gosh, we just don’t have the votes in the Senate.
All of this was done in plain sight. This was never multidimensional chess. It was just the simple card game of gin. You just had to look at the cards in a different way.
*[edited for clarity, Sat. a.m.]



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Kudos. Spot on. There is so much that sucks eggs in the house bills and the Congressional Research overview report, that I have written a diary a day in an effort to educate people of the risks of passing this WINDFALL for the insurance industry, and highway robbery of the people.
If you think you would enjoy an analysis and look into the minds of the Corporaticians on the Hill, here you go. Enjoy!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..Please-Rec
As it stands, the PUBLIC OPTION SUCKS, until and unless someone responds and explains where my analysis is wrong.
Please do so! Until them be informed. Read this:
http://fpc.state.gov/documents…..127386.pdf
It’s a Congressional Review overview of the four bills passed in the house committees.
and these DAILY DOSE diaries on specific items that SUCK oranges:
DAILY DOSE: Will $14K or $19K a Year Bankrupt You?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..krupt-You-
DAILY DOSE: 39% of Your Net Income Mandate Sucks!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..date-Sucks!
DAILY DOSE: BE INFORMED or be HOODWINKED. Choose
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..KED.Choose
DAILY DOSE: Changes Insurers Will Make, OH MY!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..ake,-OH-MY!
Be informed, or be hoodwinked. It’s a choice.
My fav?
$10,000,000,000 from treasury to give to the insurance companies to pay their claims for retired employees whose golden parachutes included continued enrollment in the company group health plans. Again: $10 Billion dollars to pay health care claims!
WTH!
You will find it in one of the above diaries. Also, the comments are rich with info as well.
Thanks for a great diary, btw. Very well written. Oh, also look for the language to SunSet SChip. How do these people sleep at night. Shame on them.
For a detailed analysis of the House Bills:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..Please-Rec
As it stands, the PUBLIC OPTION SUCKS eggs, until and unless someone responds and explains where my analysis is wrong.
Please do so! Until them be informed. Read this:
http://fpc.state.gov/documents…..127386.pdf
It’s a Congressional Review overview of the four bills passed in the house committees.
and these DAILY DOSE diaries on specific items that SUCK oranges:
DAILY DOSE: Will $14K or $19K a Year Bankrupt You?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..krupt-You-
DAILY DOSE: 39% of Your Net Income Mandate Sucks!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..date-Sucks!
DAILY DOSE: BE INFORMED or be HOODWINKED. Choose
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..KED.Choose
DAILY DOSE: Changes Insurers Will Make, OH MY!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..ake,-OH-MY!
Be informed, or be hoodwinked. It’s a choice.
If Obama was just naive to Pete Peterson, then we have an idiot for a President…again.
This is a scary proposition. My father was an evaluation expert for the GAO, and he knew “waste, fraud and abuse” were code for we don’t know how we’ll pay for it. But he’s also listened carefully to statements about “entitlement reform” and the new panel to change Medicare w/out much Congressional oversight, and the rest, and he really fears they are going to cut Medicare benefits, which he is eligible for in two years.
I do not know why on God’s green earth Democrats are still gleefully supporting this bill. The PO as described by CBO here: http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=352 can not possibly be what they went in supporting. It can not be. Clearly, the only aim now among the rank and file in Congress, is to get a federal role in regulating insurance markets, and then tighten those regulations down the road, which is laughable. But look at the trade-offs here? Huge cuts to Medicare? Well, I’m flummoxed why progressives are still supporting this POS.
Such an important and well written analysis. I heard the subtle attack on “entitlements” during the primary by Obama. He also waged what I thought was a generational war by trashing Boomers and the “psychodrama of the sixties”. It set the stage for younger people to rally behind reform of social programs that would help the retiring Boomers but supposedly bankrupt the youngsters. It got so vicious at dailykos that I left that site in March 2008.
Creepy stuff. Plus it is a repeat of the 1980s. But worse. We never seem to learn until total meltdown.
Scarecrow, I remember telling you sometime ago that this is what Orszag’s game was at OMB, that it wasn’t about efficiency but cutting the program.
I believe this is the link (2.1 MB pdf) to the summary tables for OMB’s budget projections. If I got the right one, the Medicare/Medicaid cost savings data are on pages 15 and 16 of the pdf (127-128 of the document). They have $316 billion in savings over 10 years but they also have some empty categories listed as additional savings. So the total could be higher.
BTW if people remember Obama using 30 million uninsured in his speech, here is the explanation (again from Orszag):
So more fun and games. The Census report referred to is from 2008. That is it doesn’t take into account all of the people who lost their jobs and health coverage after the meltdown. People were all up in arms about Joe Wilson today and his trying to deny coverage to the undocumented. But as we can see here, Obama was already playing that game himself
Also looking at the OMB page, I see this flew under the radar from yesterday:
It’s interesting that Bush had an anti-regulatory type Susan Dudley in this position, and now Obama has another anti-regulationist in Sunstein. For those who don’t remember Sunstein wrote a stupid economics book called Nudge about how only minor adjustments were needed to keep our super-cool financial system running. It came out a few months before the financial meltdown. Sunstein was at the Law School at the University of Chicago, then Harvard. He famously said of all the Bush era criminality that policy differences should not be criminalized. In other words, Obama has another clown in his circus Administration.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/…..oftheCass/
Sacrecrow, great theory about Obama’s actual intention; but, relative to alternative interpretations, what events would count as evidence refuting this theory in favor of others?
I think it’s almost impossible to be certain about anyone’s motivations, least of all this President, for whom people can infer different things from what they see and hear. I’m just laying out a different way of looking at the same events we’ve been witnessing, as a plausible interpretation.
wrt to using Pete Peterson — he is just a proxy for anyone who’s been clamoring for “entitlements reform.” And there are legitimate concerns about the growth of Medicare/Medicaid costs — they’re not sustainable and something had to be done — Orszag has been very clear about that. It’s not a criticism to recognize this concern as a motivating factor; it’s a recognition that different things are driving different people, and how they view what an acceptable “reform” looks like depends on these drivers.
Scarecrow,Thanks for your comment. I wasn’t looking for certainty, just some tests for distinguishing between different interpretations of Administration motivation. The issue is an important one, because if Obama’s motivation is to cut entitlements, and Medicare in particular then this might suggest a different tack in opposition then if the Administration is motivated primarily by a desire to deny industry campaign fund to Republicans in 2010 and 2012.
I think it’s almost impossible to be certain about anyone’s motivations, least of all this President. People will draw different inferences from what they see and hear. I’m just laying out a different way of looking at the same events we’ve been witnessing.
wrt to using Pete Peterson — he is just a proxy for anyone who’s been clamoring for “entitlements reform.” And there are legitimate concerns about the growth of Medicare/Medicaid costs — they’re not sustainable and something had to be done — Orszag has been very clear about that. It’s not a criticism to recognize this concern as a motivatin factor; it’s a recognition that different things are driving different people, and how they view what an acceptable “reform” looks like depends on these drivers.
I think this is exactly what it is, a clever way to shift money around and claim a huge “reform” victory. Next up, Social Security.
Nicely put, Scarecrow, but I wouldn’t put all the onus on Pete Peterson. “Entitlement Reform” has been his hobby horse since dirt was new, to the extent that now his Doom Unrelenting Unless Something Is Done scenario has been completely internalized by the Ruling Classes.
They (Peterson and his ilk) simply don’t want to pay — and they are literally refusing to pay — their fair share of the costs involved in maintaining a decent society. They won’t do it. Period. Wars abroad and a domestic police state? Sure! Social Security, Medicare, and Domestic Social Services? Not on a bet.
Those in office have mostly agreed. The rich not only won’t pay voluntarily, they won’t be made to pay. (”We’re in a recession, you know, and you can’t raise taxes in a recession, no-no-no-no-no.”) Those entitlements will be squeezed, cut and administered into oblivion; anything that remains of them will be paid for by the “users.”
Yet another effort to shift the tax burden to the working and middle class.
“Taxes are punishment. Success should be rewarded, not punished. Successful people shouldn’t have to pay taxes.”
Peterson and his ilk have been shaking this tree forever. The message has been heard and long since adopted within the stinking walls of the Palace.
So much so that even Progressives on the Inside have a hard time arguing coherently and with any kind of passion against it.
Dear FDL & Community:
I’m curious? About how many times will the DEMS ‘bend over and take it’ everytime the ReThugs have a beef? I’m just reading that Obama will be meeting with Anti-Abortion activists next week? Does that mean such “gems” as Randall Terry? then this whole thing with ACORN & the Census? ACORN helped get MANY of the DEMS/Obama elected! I understand that the Census is attempting to be ABOVE reproach – but that certainly didn’t stop Obama/Rahm from nominating Judd Gregg!
And the whole “let’s appease assholes like Wilson on Illegal Immigrants…” thing is appalling. They better be EXTRA careful because Latinos and SO many other large immigrant groups will think the DEMS would be willing to “throw them under the bus” in effort to get A Bill passed.
Sincerely,
Disgusted
ACORN is suppose to be a non-partisian organization..Funny how they only help get Dems elected…
From their site:
So are you suggesting that those “low- and moderate-income families” mentioned tend to be Republicans, and ACORN ignores their interests? Or could it be perhaps be something else?
Yeah, funny how the Rs aren’t real popular in the poor areas where Acorn works. I wonder why.
I think there needs to be a full-blown Congressional inquiry into this discriminatory practice by the ACORN types.
Why does ACORN’s clientèle think rich, white, authoritarian, knuckle-dragging Republican-Americans suck?
“Don’t let the guvmint touch my Medicare.” The teabaggers saw this one coming.
I am anxiously awaiting the nationally televised prime-time speech to a joint session of Congress in which Obama declares that he will reject any military appropriations bill or war-supplemental funding bill that increases the deficit by one dime.
I distrust anything that David Brooks writes. He doesn’t know and he has some major axes that he is grinding. He and Petersen are probably aligned on what policy they would like to see.
But this baffled me:
To the best of my knowledge, neither Obama nor the House nor the Senate HELP Committee has ever limited revenues to coming from the medical sector. That sounds like a Karen Ignagni wishdream to me. Obama himself has kept the surtax on the table.
A lot of the cost savings anticipated from Medicare comes from better primary care prior to people entering Medicare. That is what bending the cost curve means. It is the long term tendency of costs to not rise as fast as they have been over the past decade or so.
One of the best things that could happen would be to get rid of Medicare Advantage altogether. Those subsidies are not the most cost-effective way to provide coverage.
As for waste in the system, just compare Medicare costs with private insurance costs and Medicare payments with private insurance payments. There is a lot of waste in administering pre-certifications, denial of procedures, recissions, validating whether there are pre-existing conditions, billing, and collecting on both the provider and insurer sides. These don’t exist in Medicare. Medicare waste comes in with misbilling, collections, and customer service of elders who are being billed by providers by what Medicare should cover.
My reading of this. David Brooks wants the House bill to be dead, which means that it isn’t or isn’t with any certainty.
As for this,
That is what is called political suicide. People are going to expect premiums to come down and they are going to expect universal coverage. Just try to betray that and see how fast the reaction sets in.
My reading of this. David Brooks wants the House bill to be dead, which means that it isn’t or isn’t with any certainty.
Bobo is an idiot, well positioned to be an R tool, but not quite bright enough to pull it off, due to the effluent idiocy which inexorably spews form his deluded ruminations.
However – even a blind squirrel, etc. – For whatever reason, President Obama has decided not to be that president. He has decided to expand the current system, not fix it.
I think he finally nailed one. Shit happens, occasionally.
I’ll repeat two things I said earlier:
a. at this point, I’m just hoping that we don’t end up, with a “successfully” passed bill, way worse off than we were before, and;
b. Editor of the Harvard Law Review must be a fairly chump position after all.
And your evidence for this is what?
Yeah, my gut is queasy too. But I am still working it. Gotta nail down my Congresscritters on Monday–again. Remind them that Rahm Emmanuel doesn’t represent me unless he is twisting arms for a policy I want to see.
Hopefully more folks like me are keeping the pressure on.
Don’t forget that currently Obama has pledged that the federal government will not spend more than $90 billion per year on Obamacare in the form of subsidies. That means roughly $2400 per person per year, and maybe that will be enough depending upon the number of people who cannot afford coverage. But if health care costs continue to increase at a rate of 7% per year (a figure that I have read but have not verified) then that $90 billion per year will pay for a lot less health care every single year.
So how does this difference get bridged? If the rate of health care inflation is 5%per year, doesn’t that mean a $4.5 billion gap in year two, and a $9 billion gap in year three, and a $13.5 billion gap in year four, and a $18 billion gap in year five, and a $22.5 billion gap in year six, and a $27 billion gap in year seven, and a $31.5 billion gap in year eight, and a $36 billion gap in year nine and a $40.5 billion gap in year ten?
I’m no math major, but I know that the annual increase in health care costs will erode the purchasing power of this $900 billion (or will it become $700 billion?) over a ten year period. So who will be forced to make up the difference, or will it simply be left unadjusted for inflation and unfunded through any other source?
Nooooo, brooks has said they are two ways to fix health care; single payer, or wyden-bennet style. He prefers the latter, but having lived in Europe he admits single payer is not bad…duh. The politics have to have people like he and Frum chuckling a bit. The Democrats had a huge chance at a New Deal and they are blowing it because they don’t trust the voters. They think the special interests would be able to scare enough voters from public insurance, and they don’t want their gravy train of special interest money going to repubs. However, if they had any courage at all, and expanded medicare to the rest of us, the voters would reward them for the next several decades.
Perhaps I wasn’t listenting as closely as I should have, but I thought I heard Obama say that everything beyond the $90 billion/year was going to be coming from savings achieved through more efficient delivery of health care.
Given that $90 billion a year over 10 years is $900 billion, and given that the cost without the public option comes in at $100 billion a year ($1 trillion over 10 years), we are talking about $10 billion a year coming out of the efficient delivery of health care. And some part of that $90 billion coming out of the surtax and the lapsing of the Bush tax cuts.
From Obama’s speech, Wednesday:
“Second, we’ve estimated that most of this plan can be paid for by finding savings within the existing health care system — a system that is currently full of waste and abuse.”
So Brooks is overstating what Obama said by suggesting what he wants it to mean: that the President said all of the money has to come from “within the existing health care system.” That’s something that Republicans have said to try to squeeze and force the Dems to extract money without raising taxes on the wealthy.
Of course, all of Medicare/Medicaid is paid for by payroll taxes and general revenues, so there’s no rule that health care has to be paid from “withing the system.” That limit is entirely arbitrary and non-sensical. It’s okay to go after waste/inefficiency, etc, but in the end, the $$ to pay for health care are just part of the economy.
If Obama is going to promise to guarantee that corporate incomes won’t take a hit and the wealthy won’t take a hit, then the part of the economy that the $$ to pay for increased health care must come from the rest of us. That’s a pity, but collectively the rest of us elected the Blue Dogs, Republicans, and weak-kneed liberals who are caving to Obama’s bait-and-switch. Shame on us!
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, fuck you! You ain’t going to fool me again, you son-of-a-bitch. (And, I count the about-face on the FISA Amendments Act as “once.”)
The only way to make health care affordable is to strip out all the profits in the insurance and medical industrial complex. These for profit business are extracting substantial profits and in many cases charging absurd fees for their services. Why is an MRI $95 in Japan and $2,000 in the USA? It’s the same damn machine and the same amount of electricity and the same time to read the film. The Japanese make some sort of profit too. With this example you can see that the charges for health care are bloated and not related to the real costs of delivering those services.
We need some “wage and price” controls for starters. Insurance is supposed to be a spreading risks, but as a for profit operation it’s more about making money for the insurance company so they push their rates up, deny coverage and claims and anything else they can do to avoid pay a claim/bill(s).
We’ve allowed insurers and their idiotic concept of “risk management” to the turned into a “for profit” biz model and this is no longer sharing risk. Insurance companies are providing no value in the the provision of health care. You either have to deny them their profit or just shut them down. They won’t work for no profit as who would “invest” in them if there was no ROI? No one. But Obama is not going to shut down a huge industry. It’s unamerican.
And he’s not about to do a wage an price thing which is much more than routing out fraud and waste – it’s tackling ABUSE of the “consumer” head on. Business has driven up the cost of everything driving inflation and making everything unaffordable to those on fixed incomes or salaries which are not rising as fast as expenses/prices in the “marketplace”.
The idea of competition working for the consumer is completely bogus because there IS no competition. We have monopolies and price fixing and collusion instead, in everything from phone rates, to xrays.
The market does not work, unless you OWN the market.
Jim White’s diary is upstairs!
Dick Cheney Spied on the State Department–Did He Intercept Torture Whistleblower Emails?
Interesting POV which may be closer to the core politics going on within this so called American healthcare “reform” which surely seems headed to WrongWayVille if a big derailment does not occur before it gets there.
Me? I am hoping for the derailment now because going to WrongWayVille seems to be the destination certain with the public option getting thrown off this reform train which was supposedly the fall back position from not going with the still only real long term solution — Single Payer Plan.
Of course none of this is taking place on a small canvas — in view of the American dollar nosediving off the global currency chart as first place holder of value. China is going to let the American dollar go. When this comes into full play the United States will have to reset in a very big way not seen since end of WW2.
With the American realestate reset still heading downwards — with Wall St. and Big American Banking still not on cue as to what happened during past ten years and evidently gearing up for another dose of meltdown time the big canvas is not stable fiscally.
On the social and economic merits Americans are not in 1960 anymore to be sure. So with the Pentagon going in for another version of the 1960’s Vietnam Debacle in Afghanistan and Pakistan while still no where near the last exit out of Iraq the federal spending explosion of the 1960’s does not have the reserves to spend through that the 60’s presented here in early 21st century.
If the forces in American politics who want pure Reaganism to flourish succeed in downsizing Medicare,Social Security and succeed in making life for many Americans more precarious than it is already they deserve the full blowback that must come when Americans find out they have been taken for a bad ride for a long time.
On the economics it is dubious the broader aspects of the American economy can compete around the world without the healthcare costs now loaded onto employers and employees being moved into a Federal Single Payer Plan or Medicare For All. Not doing so is economic ignorance of a very real sort.
One is left little hope anymore that the Democrats as a party or this WH run by Obama and his ex Clintonites are going to do right by the American people with this so called reform of American healthcare.
The for profits have bought off any real reform. The money politics in play here are first rank corrupt.
I wish Barack Obama would stop trying to make this phony reform sound and look like it is truly anything even close to reform. It is not. This is about the Democratic Party stuffing the party coffers with K Street cash in a bid to keep buying WashingtonDC with pumped up expensive campaigns flooded with money. American national elections are buyathons. Now with the money of the corporates possibly being allowed to flood back into these buyathons this will only become more so.
Too bad about Single Payer being shoved off the cliff. If a viable Federal Health Coverage option gets shanked now as well and we get stuck with the underpowered/underfinanced ineffective co-op approach the for profit insurers will win this round again. Being forced to join and pay in to them the open wound salted outcome with a mandate made law.
No reform is better than this sell out. I vote for derailment and come back after cleaning out WashingtonDC in 2010. It is certain the Democratic Party these days is only looking not so bad because the GOPers are so much worse. The resultant politics have a stench that cannot be ignored.
Change would be a single payer system where there was control of the pricing of the “product”.
But heath is just another means for people to get rich.
So they are going to “pay for it” by taking money from the medicare system and hand it to the health insurance companies. After the health insurance companies skim as much as they can for executive pay, lobbying, corporate jets, and so on, they pay what is left to the Doctors and hospitals.
I hope you are seeing connections that are not accurate. It reminds me of that movie about John Nash, played by Russell Crowe. I would not have reached those conclusions no matter how long I looked at the facts. I hope you don’t mind my saying that I hope you are wrong.
Did you look at the many small pieces of information and use them to determine the larger plan? Or did you find the larger plan and then find the small pieces of information that prove it?
I’m not saying you are wrong, just that I hope you are.
If we’d just stop those poor people from consuming so much health care, everything would balance out perfectly. /Bobo
Eh, maybe, scarecrow, but without real evidence I think it’s a bit of a stretch to imply that a clandestine entitlement-reform coup was a primary surreptitious force behind the mediocrity of Obamacare. More straightforward explanations stem from dollars and fear.
What I want to know is how we get even? Until we figure that out, we don’t even exist in the political scheme of things. The lefts answer so far is to speak louder and carry a small stick.
I am pretty sick and tired of being lied to and cheated by politicians, Democrats in particular. More and better Democrats is useless. They, like the batch already there, tell you what you want to hear and then do as they please after they are elected. My plan is to drop Democrats on their asses when its time to vote. What I want to know is there any effort by the left to join forces and create a real movement for reform and change? If the plan from the left is to do more of the same (write, protest, donate), I give up. Planned Parenthood called me for money, and I told them to get it from Obama since they haven’t bothered to show up for any health care reform.
Senator Harkin, the new Chairman of the HELP Comm. is receiving little to no pressure from those wanting the Public Option. A couple days ago I wrote about his commitment to the Public Option and how it was important that we back him up. I and another kossack called his office to thank him for backing the Public Option and his staffers acted as if we were the first to have called him that were for the PO. We ignore Sen. Harkin at our own peril. He will be crucial when it comes to which Bill Reid backs and what happens when the 2 Houses meet to fight it out on the PO. Please call and let him know how we feel.
Sen. Harkin
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-3254 Phone
(202) 224-9369 Fax
(202) 224-4633 TDD