This morning’s NYT tells us the White House and Congressional leaders are considering ways to "fix the safety net" for the several million additional unemployed they didn’t plan for in the first stimulus bill.
With unemployment expected to rise well into next year even as the economy slowly recovers, the Obama administration and Democratic leaders in Congress are discussing extending several safety net programs as well as proposing new tax incentives for businesses to renew hiring.
. . . But officials emphasized that a decision was still far off and that in any event the effort would not add up to a second economic stimulus package, only an extension of the first.
Well that’s great. No hurry. We’ve only got 9.8 percent to 17 percent unemployment, with prospects these horrendous levels will continue into the next year or so. Dean Baker:
If the Democrats in Congress agree that a full-blown stimulus package is not needed then they believe that it is okay that unemployment averages 10.2 percent next year, 9.1 percent in 2011 and 7.7 percent in 2012, at least if they accept CBO’s projections.
But never mind; the Administration thinks the most important message to get out there is that they’re in no hurry and are definitely not thinking of another stimulus to create jobs, because . . . well because that would mean they’d have to concede they were wrong and the economists who said we’d need a much bigger and more targeted stimulus to offset a "jobless recovery" were right.
So instead of telling it straight, they’re talking about the same questionable notions the economists who were right said were not that helpful the first time: business tax cuts and credits.
But the verdict on who to trust and who not to trust is already in, as folks pick over the bones of Ryan Lizza’s Atlantic article. Lizza describes how the Administration’s economic team made decisions and particularly how they and Obama’s political advisers talked themselves into an inadequate stimulus that only Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Ben Nelson could love. Remember those three.
Krugman does the "we told you so" on his blog, and DeLong, Dean Baker, and others pile on. The short version is this:
Christine Romer got it mostly right, given their forecasts at the time (which turned out to be way too optimistic). She calculated that with the expected fall off in GDP, we needed a targeted stimulus of about $1.2 trillion over two years. But fearful of large numbers and small-minded Senators, Larry Summers gave the President a choice between $550 billion and $790 billion, and Rahm/Axelrod argued to start with the lower and allow Congress to push it towards the higher. Except Congress watered it down and everyone gave away too much in ineffective tax cuts. Then Senators like Collins, Snowe and Nelson, et al, did their thing, held it down, and lopped off $40 billion to rescue state budgets (leaving 50 anti-stimulus, job killing states), while cutting back on Medicaid assistance, school construction and so on. Krugman sums up the failure:
So Christy Romer’s math looked similar to mine: even given what we knew last December, the straight economics said that we should have a stimulus much bigger than the Obama administration’s initial proposal. And given what happened to that proposal in the Senate — we actually ended up with only about $600 billion of actual stimulus — what we eventually got was half of what seemed appropriate in December. And the actual news on the economy since then has been worse than was expected back then, so that the stimulus now looks way short of what we need.
Maybe that was all that could have been done, politically. But it does not sound, from the Lizza article, as if either the economic team or the political team thought much about the risks of finding themselves where we are now — with the economy still failing to deliver job growth despite the stimulus — even though those risks were completely apparent at the time.
But heaven forbid we call out the people who got it wrong and tell the American people what needs to be done now. Instead, we’ll extend benefits a few more months and try some of the ineffective things we rejected back then, because that’s all we can get approved when we allow people like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Ben Nelson to decide the fate of millions of American jobs and whether essential state teachers, health and safety workers get layed off.
But at least we haven’t put the fate of health care reform in the hands of these same . . .
And it should always be said that while they may support extending unemployment benefits, the rest of the Republican Party is completely useless; they’re not even responsible enough to play the "loyal" opposition.
More:
Bob Herbert, Does Obama get it?
Dean Baker, How to game the business tax credits for new hires



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Thanks scarecrow, for another good one. It’s the seniority system and the filibuster. We need to get rid of both.
“…the first stimulus bill…”
There was a “first stimulus bill?”
I am becoming less and less enthusiastic about that whole “change we can believe in” deal. I think we been had…
If I were in congress, I’d want to know whether unemployed people vote (they sure as hell don’t give money).
If a bright aide informed me they don’t, I’d say screw ‘em.
Anyone think D.C. works differently?
Long term unemployed people yes recently unemployed people quite the opposite they need to blame someone.
Getting “it” wrong (whatever “it” there may be), seems to be one of the fundamental prerequisites for life in The Village. It seems to mean that the person who is always wrong, is a reliable shill for whatever product is being pitched.
So we can afford 2 wars but no jobs for Americans? We can afford 2 wars but no healthcare? Isn’t this how Empires die they become overextended?
Yes, meanwhile, @ .73 cents on every American dollar spent for gasoline over decades has and continues to be inefficiently wasted in the form of lost heat energy, right out our tailpipes akin to the heat ridden pontifications of compromise pud pullers…..
It is the way empires die. When all wealth flows to the rich, and foreign adventures become more important than taking care of business at home, a society gets old and starts to decay. I’m afraid the long cold war accustomed America to the continuous care and feeding of the military sector, and to very stingy behavior to investments at home.
From infrastructure, to education, to green reconstruction of our economy, we are not investing nearly enough. But we are spending huge amounts of money on the military, a very bloated health care sector, and bailing out the financial sector. We need to stop all this or we will become a third world nation within the next 15 years.
The media never talks about the decay though thats a problem.
One of the things that decays is loyalty to the political system. After getting screwed enough by it for awhile, people cease to care whether it lives or dies, and that’s when “things come undone.”
Agreed:)
I have a solution! Hire civilians to serve in the military! There is probably some kind of word for it too.
I love seeing that “Federal Budget” chart that shows where the money really goes. Military spending. It blows everything else away. Numbers so big that they seem unreal.
Servitude to Corporations……
There is a word for it I’m pretty sure but it escapes me. Been a while. But ya get to see the world!!! 3 squares a day. Get in better shape than in any health club — and no dues!!!! Great idea!!
I know what you are saying. It’s right there at the tip of my tongue.
You take all these people who can’t get a job and since you are already spending a ton of money in this one area they should use that money to sop up all the floating people.
Civilian contractors would be cheaper than hiring Haliburton. Heck skip the middle man just hire immigrants like Hal does and we could still save money.
Of course if we had hired Iraqi’s to do the work and paid them a good wage would we be there now?
Obama look either start fixing unemployment or those GOPers who you keep bending over backwards for seeking compromise that never comes, they will make sure that you are the only African American President America has for the next 100 years.
They will win votes demonizing your name.
Rahm you do know how the GOP really feels about the Jews I expect the GOP to target you soon to get votes.
Bahma & Rahma seem to think it’s 1997 and that they can follow the lead of Tony Blair, who discarded his party’s traditional leftish platform and turned it into one more rightwing than the English Tories. Do they really think they can manufacture a grand coalition of the governing that might permanently exclude the Republicans? True, the GOP has no leaders worthy of the name and the only thing they wouldn’t say, “No” to would be a proposition in Lafayette Park. But it’s no longer 1997, and the mess they have to clean up is more like 1933.
These Dems seem as historically-challenged as the famously illiterate George Bush. Oh, yea, Tony Blair was ousted from office, his successor is barely hanging on, and his Labour Party might well take a drubbing at the next election. Plus ca… you can’t get fooled again.
The war criminal Tony Blair is now on track to become president of the EU.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/n…..97462.html
Yeah, Medicaid is pretty much a gone goose…and frankly, having been disabled for 20 years…I’m scared to death.
I’ve watched the quality of care decline drastically just in the last 6 months. When I go to the doctors these days, I feel like I’m carrying a tin cup and rattling the pencils in it and the docs don’t give a flying one.
I’m going to have to find a way to pay for my own dental and I really don’t know how I’ll do it.
This, after the ’90’s when Medicaid was “the million dollar card”, then they put the HMOs in there and here we are.
Huffington Post has some feature called “Game Changers”. Who’s a game changer?
We need a game changer idea or product. Hmmm, like cold fusion or energy from vacuum. Something crazy like that. I’m hoping that aliens are involved with the new product.
But that’s just me.
Healthcare is a Gamechanger, ending the wars, Green power, a stimulus bill with jobs is a game changer but you have to invest big.
Denmark and Israel are putting up electric car charging stations all over their countries thats a game changer.
Government is the only guy big enough to change the whole game for everyone.
Warp drive, so those of us who are sane can get out of here and find a better – or at least less insane – place to live.
‘The meek shall inherit the earth. The rest of us are going to the stars.’
If they do then no amount of net roots love could save the Dems in the upcoming election and with no good healthcare bill in sight or talk of getting out now from Iraq and Afghanistan don’t expect us to fight too hard Rahm.
Go ahead win Obama the next election Rahm win without your base being motivated in political science such a win without stealing an election would be unprecedented.
The media doesn’t talk about empire either.
The media doesn’t talk about why we need to spend so much and have an enormous military? What IS the threat?’
The media doesn’t seem to get that this country belonged to the citizens not the corporations and wealth who actually own it now. How did that happen?
Free markets has nothing to do with freedom.
We let the corporations buy the media or get so big they became corporations themselves. We need some trust busting.
I very much enjoy the Obama team’s reassurance that it isn’t a Second Stimulus, it’s simply an extension of StimOnePointOh. And since that Stim wasn’t big enough and has strangled all fifty states, it can be easily attacked by the GOP. The entire concept of Stimulus has been discredited by Larry Summers’ too-tiny helpings. Is there anything the man CAN’T fuck up?
I don’t know, but he sure fucked up that one.
With every appropriations bill still before Congress, dealing this without a second stimulus package is as simple and increasing the appropriations for a strategic number of programs in healthcare, education, national parks, rail transportation, and alternative energy. And increasing the annual budget for unemployment insurance payments, Medicaid, Food Stamps, housing assistance, and emergency energy assistance. Another possibility is to increase Social Security payments even though there was no official inflation to trigger a cost-of-living increase.
I like the way you think. wanna be president someday? ;-)
Those that think unemployment benefits are a solution have clearly never been on them.
Unemployment almost paid for groceries or about one-third to one-half a mortgage payment when I was unemployed–and I was right at the top of the scale payment-wise. Luckily I had a working spouse, so we were able to make ends meet.
But unemployment benefits are nowhere near enough to make up for lost demand. This kind of solution guarantees a never-ending recession.
Unemployment is, at best, half the pay you got while you were working, even though everything else is the same. And it stops about the time that the economy goes completely to hell.
If they counted all the people who have been unemployed so long they’ve fallen off the rolls, the part-time and temp workers, the minimum-wage workers at places like W**mart, and the people who are working from home offices because they can’t get better jobs, they’d recognize that it’s been a depression for at least a year.
That may be the real goal of this Administration.
During the Reagan Administration relatively high unemployment became endemic, and economists even claimed that there was a “Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment” of 5% beyond which unemployment could not fall without inflation being the result. This was used to justify Reagan’s economic policies and their failure to reduce unemployment below 5% which level was also referred to as “the natural rate of unemployment.” This panglossian view of unemployment was dispelled when Clinton came into office and eventually the economy recovered enough to reduce unemployment to 4% country-wide and way below that figure in many regions of the country, with little inflation.
The Obama Administration seems inclined to accept high rates of employment along with a system that benefits the financial industry world-wide, and to justify this acceptance by trying to blame the Republicans and the blue dog Democrats for making it “politically infeasible,” to introduce the kind of vigorous stimulus that is needed to end the recession in jobs. From the viewpoint of traditional democratic constituencies and values, this Administration is rapidly becoming a contemptible example of Democratic hypocrisy, destroying the future of the Democratic Party for the sake of short-run pragmatism.
Romer and Krugman aren’t close. To address our unemployment problems we needed and need $1-1.2 trillion a year in stimulus for as long as necessary. This is actually quite feasible, but it would mean no more trillions going to a broken and corrupt banking system, stupid wars, profligate tax cuts, and an out of control healthcare sector.
One thing that I try to bring up in these discussions is that Obama is not going to go for more stimulus this year. This is in line with the idiots that make up Team Obama. However next year we have mid-term elections so something, probably not terribly effective, but to tide Obama and the Democrats over until after the election, is likely to be forthcoming. As I have been saying for months now, 2011 is shaping up as a real disaster.
Thin Toilet Paper to wipe our asses with too.
This is why I moved out of Maine. Collins and Snowe
” because that’s all we can get approved when we allow people like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Ben Nelson to decide the fate of millions of American jobs and whether essential state teachers, health and safety workers get layed off”.
Where did you move to? Vermont?
For what the Recovery act was worth, we could have switched fuels to ethanol and natural gas, saving hundreds of billions spent yearly and trillions spent over years on foreign oil, and putting the whole Country back to work. Ethanol can be made from crops that can be grown in all fifty states, and we have lots of nat. gas. A whole new industry could have been made converting cars, and the automakers would be looking at replacing the whole fleet in a few years. Building the infrastruture for this alone would have cut unemployment. With the Country working, paying taxes, spending money, and yes saving and investing our economy would be on the mend.