With so much attention focused on four conservative, obstructionist Democrats, the Democratic leadership seems driven to find some way to placate them. So it’s easy to forget that there are compelling reasons why health reform should not get watered down or sidetracked to satisfy the egos and fears of Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu or Blanche Lincoln.
It’s not just that it would be insulting to the Senate and House majorities and to Democrats generally to undermine essential reforms just to mollify the electoral fears, misapprehensions, or unprincipled opportunism of this less than stellar group. Nor is it that none of these has made a coherent, truthful argument against the public option or for shielding private insurers from a viable competitor. This isn’t about some abstract market principle.
The nation’s health care system is in crisis, and it’s getting worse, inexorably and without mercy for those whose lives are being literally and financially destroyed. On Saturday in Arkansas, there were a thousand people lined up for a free clinic, a thousand reasons among millions like them why passing health insurace and care reform is a moral imperative. But the breakdown isn’t simply in the growing number of uninsured, under-insured and fraudulently insured and abused.
The folks who monitor the nation’s health insurance systems have been telling us for years that the employer-based system is systematically eroding, and the only thing saving us is the expansion of public health progrrams. In the last decade alone, the employer-based system has fallen from covering nearly 65 percent to covering less than 60 percent. As health care costs and insurance premiums escalate, employers will continue to limit and drop coverage, and the pace of that erosion will quicken. Despite all the rhetoric about "preserving what works," the employer-based insurance system is failing and must be replaced.
We could have chosen a single-payer insurance system to replace it; we know it works, because we use it for those over 65. But it was dismissed out of hand partly for indefensible ideological reasons but mostly because few believed displacing an entire industry with enormous political power was achievable in a Congress as corrupt as ours. So the pragmatic excuse became that such a radical transition was simply too disruptive.
But if that’s the excuse, it follows that meaningful reforms needed to provide a more careful, less-disruptive, but steady transition to a new sustainable foundation. Having abandoned a single-payer government insurance system, Democrats bought into a combination of private insurance reforms, enhanced regulation, and a government-sponsored public option to reinforce and, if needed, expand enough to potentially replace the rest.
If it were sufficiently viable when the exchange(s) opened, the public option would hold the rest of the reforms together and reinforce the regulatory goals. But if it were too crippled to even get started — the debate about Medicare rates and providers was a proxy for that fight — or too weak to become viable, all the other reforms would be at risk, gradually undermined and likely fail.
A viable public option would provide a meaningful choice to shoppers in the new exchange(s); it would put downward pressure on private insurer premiums; it could provide a payment platform for implementing cost-control and payment-incentive measures among select providers.
Equally important, but often overlooked, a viable public option would provide the necessary safety net for the millions of Americans who, as CBO and knowledgable experts predicted, would be discriminated against by the private insurers seeking to cherry pick the younger, healthier enrollees in the exchange. CBO confirmed that view, implicitly conceding that the insurance reforms would not work as intended, so a safety net would be needed as a check. In short, a viable public option would make all the other transitional elements work better.
Once this new structure became functional, the doors to the exchange could be gradually opened to more and more employers and enrollees, allowing a controlled but systematic migration from the employer-based system to the new regime. It is impossible to predict how this market would sort out; perhaps the public option would dominate, perhaps not; but the system would move towards some equilibrium combination of public and private insurers.
What’s important is that without the public option, an equilibrium would likely exclude the more costly patients through systematic discrimination that regulators would find difficult either to detect or prevent — and the reform effort would eventually fail.
It’s necessary to restate this theory, because the Senate is in great danger of forgetting what it’s about. The four recalcitrant Senators do not understand even the basic concepts, and so far, none of them has been honest or coherent in explaining their opposition to the logical case for a public option. They don’t get it, and they don’t care, but they should not be coddled because it matters to the rest of us.
The public option is at the heart of insurance reform, the core piece in a transition that must take place. It’s not a bargaining chip for rounding up four clueless Senators. It would be unconcionable for the Senate leadership to cut out the heart to accommodate the know-nothings of their party.
Howard Dean is right; Arianna Huffington is right; Jane Hamsher is right. The public option is essential to reform. It must be retained, protected and strengthened. Without it, health insurance reform will be just a very bad, very foolish, and very expensive experiment — and clearly not the platform Democrats should want in 2010.



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In so far as all we care about is the pool of people that would purchase in the exchange, which seems somewhat antithetical to the narrative created in the beginning of this piece regarding the dire general condition of our system, not just the currently uninsured and individual purchasers.
So then the point of the public option is to be nothing more than insurer of last resort? How the mighty have fallen. Also, if the mandate still exists, and there is no public option, then those private insurance companies selling in the exchange will simply have no dumping ground to shove the sickest to, they’ll have to fight over them (like the Dutch system, in so far as I understand it). In that case the public option really does become nothing more than a boon to private insurers selling in the exchange, because it specifically facilitates their ability to skim the cream off the risk pool, and leave the rest to be picked up by the government.
Viewing this whole healthpay system being in any way improved by a competitive market is completely wrong-headed. When you hear the phrase, “The Public Option will provide competition to help drive prices down.” You ought to immediately assess that the person who made the statement isn’t interested in dual optimizing for highest average coverage for the lowest average cost, because splintered risk pools and frictional overhead of moving between them is antithetical to that goal. It’s possible that some improved efficiencies can be achieved, but they’ll be tinkering at the margins; a few percent.
The public option was novel for its size, not its construction. Now that it’s too small to do anything useful for the system at large (which will continue deteriorating unabated) it seems a token policy point at best.
I just don’t see how the public option logically follows as a necessary component to the system it’s being integrated into.
You’re missing a fundamental point about what’s wrong with health insurance nowadays. The problem is that you can’t rely on it. Nothing about the current bills is really going to change that, because there’s no way we can rely on the government that’s allowed things like Enron and the current banking crisis to happen to enforce such rules on insurance companies. A government program that has adequate rules will be reliable. For health insurance, that matters more than the cost of premiums.
So Scarecrow, I’m guessing by “viable” you mean what I’ve meant when I’ve used that term:
- Available to anyone who wants it, at the same rate of subsidy as would be available for private insurance,
- Able to set rates as Medicare does
- Available as soon as practical (not in 2015)
Or is this some other definition?
well presented!
i’d love a viable, competitive public option, but there is no viable public option in any of the legislation under consideration. and i know of no reform measure of this nature in the usa (public option in a private system) that was a game changer or even that succeeded.
that is why, frankly, the po doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the bills themselves: no adequate regulation (of the kind other countries have used to get to universal healthcare), cuts to medicare funding, undermining the state’s ability to regulate insurance, no cost controls, mandates, limits to women’s reproductive healthcare, inadequate subsidies, using medicaid as the primary means to expand coverage instead of the exchange (and so expanding the class of low income people who have trouble finding doctors). i could go on and on.
what we have here is not just a flawed unsustainable bill, doomed to fail and worse than romneycare. we have a massive transfer of wealth to the very special interests we will have to take on someday if we are ever going to attempt any kind of universal healthcare.
in other words, this bill is a concession that we don’t want universal healthcare, that we don’t want to take on the special interests. that the very most important thing is electing democrats and to do that we have to preserve their access to the money stream from those special interests.
this is the kind of reform i used to think only republicans could come up with. but no, turns out progressives can too.
here’s a questions i should have included. for everyone who lives in MA: if you could change just one thing about our 2006 reform would it be to add public option of the kind either the house or senate bill contains? if so, what would be gained?
The CBO scoring of the Senate’s Health Care Bill comes in at $849 Billion over a 10 yr. period that reduces the deficit by over $130 Billion and is paid for.
In honor of Veteran’s Day. According to a study released by the Harvard Medical School, 2,266 veterans under the age of 65 died last year as a result of not having health insurance. Researchers emphasize that “that figure is more than 14 times the number of deaths (155) suffered by U.S. troops in Afghanistan in 2008, and more than twice as many as have died (911 as of Oct. 31) since the war began in 2001.”
It’s time for American Women to Stand-up/Speak-up for your full medical rights. Stop the rabid right-wing from restricting American womens medical choices. Call Congress and demand the “stupak-pitts amendment” be stripped from Health Care Reform. Also, demand that liebermann be stripped of his chairmanship of HSC and kicked out of the Caucus.
Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections.
lieberman $12.6M, mcconnell $7.8M, baucus $7.7M, cornyn $6.7M,
kyl $5.6M, grassley $5.4M, ensign $5.2M, conrad $5.1M, cantor $4.9M,
nelson $4.9M, burr $4.8M, boehner $4.4M, hatch $4.4M, lincoln $4.1M,
vitter $3.9M, carper $3.6M were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform. (Source: OpenSecrets.org, Aug. 09)
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Republics stand shiny and proud, ready to stop healthcare for all. Seriously, what’s the point of being born wealthy if everyone gets healthcare? It goes against the religious teachings favored by Republics.
I’m not sure a PO would be a viable option here in MA.
The pool would be too small to be effective unless it were open to all residents of the state,and not just the un-insured
Our next battle here at the Lake ought to be campaign finance reform.
We will never have a fair system if we don’t remove the influence of large corporate donors.
There is another element missing irt the employer based health care system eroding. As one projects the rate of increases in premiums and corporate pools through 2013, most employers will be capping their contribution within a year or two. Employees will not even be able to afford their health care due to the cap. Employees will not be as healthy nor have as good a work attitude due to the stress of life issues from the pressure of health care costs. This will result in lower productivity and lower creative problem solving, thus making our corporate and remaining industry sectors less competitive. Less productivity and competition results in less GNP in the long run. I could go on to describe the economic spiral due to rising health care but I think we all get the picture.
What I do not understand is why hasn’t corporate US come together and support health care reform? Why are they letting the US Chamber work against them? The end result of reform would be stronger companies. Are all those life insurance policies they are buying on their employees projecting a greater “pay off”?
A real culprit also is Landrieu….that piss-poor state with rampant corruption. A great shortage of medical care since Katrina (also before); word has it that she did quite well post-Katrina.$$$$. Just to say. She is certainly not representing her people. $o $ad.
Selise, this is the essence and beautifully said.
The only way to offer our people what the rest of the world does is to eliminate the skimming of 30% of payments.
Also in this bill there is another alarming precedence. In spite of all the denials according to CNN (still looking for the exact attribution) the Senate bill has written into it the mandate to determine coverage of screening testing based on the findings of the panel (“independent”) that has just created the mammogram recommendations. And if the bill is enacted with that part standing there will be no coverage for routine mammograms between age 40-50 and only every 2 yr for olders to 75, then stop. The greatest cause of death for women 40-55 is breast cancer. Go figure.
but even if it was open to everyone. what exactly would it gain us? would it be a little bit of cost competition or would it be an excuse for regulators to take it easy on the private insurance companies (“oh well, at least they can always use the po”).
the reason i asked the question was as a thought experiment. it seems to me we’re attributing all kinds of almost magical powers to a po when in actual practice a po in this country has never, to my knowledge, been a game changer. we have a semi-decent regulatory insurance environment in MA because we have semi-decent regulations and enforcement, not because we have a po.
and it doesn’t require single payer (although i think that’s the far and away best design). but it does require going after the special interests, especially insurance.
here’s another thought experiment:
if these bills and these policies were being proposed by a republican congress and a republican president, would our (each of us has to answer this question for themselves) response (support, advocacy, etc) be the same?
or are we being, in any way, influenced by the fact that we still trust the dems a little bit to do the right thing (even when it looks like they are not)? or that we want the dems to score a win in the D vs R game?
personally, i can not imagine this level of progressive support and advocacy being given to this legislation if it was coming from the Rs instead of the Ds.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Certainly, the points you raise concerning the public option are worth considering.
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This is the battle that needs to be taken on no matter what the Rs or Ds may throw back in defense. Both parties are seriously corrupt on matters of money politics. Campaign funding reform failure(s) directly have led to this healthcare debacle now unfolding in Congress and this Obama WH.
If PO is important piece then why does Barack Obama and his WH suggest it is not?
Barack Obama should have been hit hard for taking Medicare For All off the table and remains suspect as to why he did so.
Whatever this Congress stitches together regarding this so called reform is going to be a Frankensteins Monster. Better it were no created.
On so many fronts and counts it is beyond doubt a Single Payer Plan is only way forward for American society,economy and governance.
Taking out the for profit health insurance concept is central to reformation of American healthcare regime. On moral and ethical basis it is obscene. On political basis it is not sustainable.
Agreed. I also prefer single payer. But as you suggest addressing excess profits in health care services , perhaps on the public utility model? (as it once was) might work.
o/t. sad, pathetic news from my parts.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sarah-palin-book-tour-20091124,0,904888.story
in sept t. r. reid made the powerful case that the way for the usa to get to universal healthcare is state by state (for the experiment affect to convince the public).
see youtube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmfZ1tlj7Y
yes, that’s what t. r. reid says is one way to get to universal healthcare (from the experience of other countries. but our political system is so broken, i have my doubts about our current ability — or rather inability — to regulate at the national level, but that’s another story.
Do not confuse Scarecrow’s viable PO with the POs that the Senate and House are considering. The former is an image of the PO that we were given by the establishment Democrats when they were slicing and dicing Single Payer. The POs in the bills are hollow and pathetic bait-and-switch measures that resemble the Camelot PO in name only. Neither is structured to bring insurance costs down and neither is structured to survive. The heart of HCR has been cut out of both bills already. More harm will come from passing either of the POs than letting them die on the vine. I say this because if one is passed it will take 7 to 10 years to realize that we don’t have a viable PO and in the interim the insurance companies rake in huge profits off of the poor health of the country and then the whole kabuki dance begins anew. Let us throw a wrench in this deception because the fix is in at the moment.
Yep. It’s another story that requires a huge paradigm shift, even in national values, to bring a happy ending.
What ever happened to “Reach for the Stars?” If we had looked only at bottom line cost/immediate benefit ratios for the space program it is unlikely the micro computer technology (and much more) etc could have developed in some private lab for some patented short term solution for a limited immediate need
I think you are right. If Obama-Rahma wants to maintain the private health insurance monopoly, then the only viable approach would be strenuous regulation and price controls just as we do utilities at the state level. Of course, none of this appears in either bill. But, who would we trust to regulate it? A commission, the congress, an administrative agency? All have the potential for corruption and invariably the foxes will find the chicken coup and eat up all the hospital beds. Really, the only option that protects the citizenry is single payer. A viable and large PO might turn into that over time, but the jokes put forth in the HCR bills could never do that. They are structured to be ineffective.
The GOP Congress, Conserva Dems and Lieberman (Sen. from Aetna) has indeed become the best Congress money can buy! I do not think that many of us are really surprised by this but the question is “what do we do to overcome this long-time problem?”
Saturday night’s Senate Vote Just to have a debate on Healthcare, was a small victory for the “agents of change” (democrats) and reflects very poorly on the state of the Party of No & Fear that they would not even allow a debate on this issue to move forward — thereby belying the title of being the greatest deliberative body on earth!
It is noteworthy, that in the past, the Party of No & Fear, also fought against Social Security Reform and Medicare, and true to form or color, they are fighting against healthcare reform today! Yes, Social Security and Medicare are subject to abuse and fraud, but there is a reform in the healthcare bill to address this problem! Millions depend on Social Security and Medicare and they are glad that it is there. They want it improved upon not done away with. The naysayers have even tried to Sabotage the reform by introducing a phony abortion debate (we all know Nancy Pelosi will never allow the choice of having an abortion or not to become obsolete) , the other phony womens’ issue (how time appropriate) introduced (I smell a rat) into the debate — is that of Mammograms and the fear that we are somehow on our way to healthcare rationing. Yet most of us are already aware that we are experiencing healtcare rationing every time someone is denied healthcare because of a Preexisting Conditions or some other phony Excuse like they weigh too much, etc. The aforementioned debates are false and designed to produce fear, to immobilize and to paralyze the masses to do nothing. We must come to recognize that “Fear is the dark ones’ most powerful weapon against the light because the energy of fear not only forms a barrier between the consciousness and the soul, it refuels the darkness to keep it thriving.” [Matthews Messages].
We must also recognize that “as money has in the past ministered to personal and family need, so in the future it must minister to group and world need. The time has now come when money must be re-valued and its usefulness channelled into new directions. The voice of the people must prevail, but it must be a people educated in the true values, in the significance of a right culture, and in the need for right human relations. It is therefore essentially a question of right education and correct training in world citizenship – a thing that has not yet been undertaken.” [Money, The Medium of Loving Distribution, A Compilation from the books of Alice A Bailey ]
A public option, “Open to all Americans, such a plan would have the scale and authority to negotiate low prices with drug companies and other providers, and force private insurers to provide better service at lower costs. But private insurers and Big Pharma wouldn’t hear of it, and Republicans and “centrists” thought it would end up too much like what they have up in Canada.” [Robert Reich] And, if we have millions of people paying into one Plan, will make the premiums affordable to all.
Thank God for the Agents of Change who try to make a difference in the lives of ordinary human beings, whose intentions and Duty are to uplift the conditions of the people and to serve the people…. They try to raise the minimum wage, they try to extend unemployment benefits, they try to make sure there is clean water and clean air, but its hard and there is always a fight from the best Congress money can buy, whose mission is to stall and to obstruct and to incite fear! And, at this time in our history, like so much else, Healthcare reform is Crying Out for Change. And, as Science teaches us to do nothing and to be static only leads to decay — only leads to death.
Why should the Senate push for a viable public option when its members can be obliged to vote for an unviable one?
We must not lose sight of the real weapon, the knife-in-the-heart of the healthcare giant: remove their exemption from anti-trust action. Any senator that opposes that would have some real explaining to do.
What does “viable public option” mean? What are the minimum requirements for a “viable public option”? Does the proposed PO in any pending bill come close to these requirements? If not, wouldn’t efforts be better spent on strengthening insurance regulation toward a Switzerland type system? These are the questions I as layman hope someone can answer.
I don’t really understand this line of thinking. If a competitive market won’t produce optimal outcomes for a risk-pooling healthpay system, then having a monopoly should be beneficial.
Save for the obvious conflict of incentives between profit and welfare.
Lets do term limits first.
Ah, so you’d actually prefer that the lobbyists and staffers run things?
This is the result that has been found in those states such as California that have imposed term limits. By the time the elected official learns what and how things are operating, they’re term limiting out.
So unless you’re also going to stop lobbyists and ‘term limit’ the employment of staff members for legislative aides and committees, this is what you get.
And since we have term limit mechanisms called elections, why do you want to limit folks who might be comfortable with the folks they elect? If you do not like your own representatives and elected officials, beat ‘em in the elections.
It’s my understanding that the reason insurance companies were granted the anti-trust exemption in the first place was to foster the non-profit/co-operatives in the states. Like what Blue Cross/Blue Shield WERE in the beginning.
But since they are now such strong believers in the power of the marketplace, then obviously they no longer need these protections so should compete for clients and not have monopolies that allow them to run the system.
Right, but the concept again misses the mark by moving in the direction of competition, which doesn’t make sense.
One can say, “Since we’ve seen fit to stick with a for-profit model, then we have to prevent monopolies from forming.” But in doing so, it’s an open admission that consideration for efficiency isn’t on the table.
Nathan, I am not in any way shape or form a fan of for profit insurance companies. But if that’s the model we are apparently stuck with for the foreseeable future, then force them to actually compete.
The whole reason it looks like the insurance companies are fighting so strongly against even a weak a**ed public option is they don’t want to have to compete.
It is not a good solution. It is looking to be the best solution we will get at this point.
The purpose of the anti-trust legislation was to cultivate and protect competition. When one company controls more than 60% of a market they do not need protection from competition.
Yes I know. What I’m saying is that everything you ever learned about competition doesn’t fit in the frame of welfare economics and healthcare, and is in fact exactly backwards from convention when dealing with risk-pooled healthpay.
Then the CEOs can take a pay cut if the companies can’t compete as currently structured. They have the power to negotiate and should do so if the risk pool is to onerous.
This ain’t rocket science.
My problem is that it’s still just fiddling at the margins. The system is still operating away from optimizing for highest average coverage and lowest average cost.
Those of you who’ve read earlier posts know that I don’t believe the text-book model of market competition applies to the insurance “market.” Krugman and others have explained the prerequisite conditions for efficient competition don’t exist, and the bills won’t/can’t correct this. So I use terms like “market” and “competition” only to describe the environment in which enrollees can make choices, but with no expectation that it will result in an efficient outcome.
A PO could compete by offering another choice, an alterantive to the private insurers, and if efficient enough, it could put downward pressure on their prices, but that’s not the same as an efficient text-book outcome, because all the necessary conditions for that don’t exist.
A “viable” PO first has to get started and established — formidable hurdles in a highly concentrated industry, with huge barriers to entry — so I’d favor a system in which the PO is an extension or attachment to Medicare — same providers, same (or adjusted) provider payments, and you start from there. What happens next is a function of how well it’s administered.
I agree that in a setting in which efficient competition is not possible, and normal “market” rhetoric is at best misleading, the necessary alternative is strong regulation of quality, coverage content and pricing. None of these can be left to a unfettered “market,” because they’re no basis in which it will reach an acceptable result. The bills move towards some regulation of coverage/content, but do little/nothing about pricing.
The main “regulation” in these bills is to prevent discrimination — outlawing exclusions for prior conditions, age, sex, etc, — and the main weapon to discourage that is cost-risk adjustments by which exchange administrators move dollars around after the fact. The CBO analysis warns that this device, though necessary, probably won’t work as well as it needs to, so adverse selection will occur, pushing sicker, more costly patients out the system, unless there’s a safety net, which I see as an essential function for the PO.
If the total approach can’t provide government guaranteed coverage of those most vulnerable, then it’s seriously deficient. The PO could do that, and because it has an interest is remaining viable, it would also have a strong incentive to insist the regulators implement a more effective cost-risk-sharing mechanism. Without that advocacy, I don’t see the regulators overcoming the influence of the insurers it tries to regulate, even if you assume a favorable administration, which won’t always be there. This is a really hard problem, and the entire approach is obviously not the easiest way to solve it — but that’s where we are.
Let’s have a true Public Option not the waterdown one in the senate but one that starts when Obama signs the bill and is open for everyone who want it even GM which would save over a $1000 per car. Right now Insurance Companies under the present bill can double the cost for Pre Conditions .BOY THAT’S SOME CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN
California made a huge mistake by making the limits far too short.
mechanisms called elections?
You are joking….right?
Congress has a 15% approval rating and 90%+ get reelected.
Nelson will get on board, Landrieu will sell out for additional cash for her state, and Lieberman will shut up when he learns that his new office space will be in the far right corner of the men’s room.
Lincoln is a different story. We need to buy her a position somewhere. She’s the only one of the group who is up for election next year, and she can’t possibly win. Obama lost Arkansas by 20 points. She’s going to lose either way. If she sides with health care reform, the Republicans will beat her. If she goes against it, Democrats all across the country will bring her down. (And I’ll be one of them.)
Surely there must be an Ambassador position open, Presidency of a University, Board of Directors for the Mississippi Something-or-Other. If the government can’t do this, then sometimes private funding can work wonders.
This is a time for serious people to take serious actions. I don’t believe that we will win just because we’re the good guys.
suddenly the PO is an autonomous, self-interested agent, like Skynet? That once established by the Progressive Democrat heroes will evolve and improve by itself?
remarkable.
more simply, it could be just a paltry figleaf to give partial cover for the stunted, vestigial, liberal-ish wing of the thoroughly corporatized (D) Party.
the figleaf does not have to function ‘in the marketplace’ as its primary purpose is marketing.
and where is the rest of the massive authentic PO constituency, alleged to include up to 66.2% of Americans?
not here on this thread, answering any hard questions, thats for sure.
i actually don’t think the po is a path to single payer (as in national health insurance financed as described in hr 676 or position papers at pnhp) because the financing is all wrong — premiums, copays, deductibles, coinsurance are just stupid because when a person is really sick, they don’t have the money (or frequently the ability to navigate the system for assistance) to pay those things. taxes that we pay when we’re employed and well are a far far different kind of system — one that can truly be universal with everybody in, nobody out.
i know the original hacker proposal was sold to progressives as a path to single payer, but i think it is very possible that they were scammed. have more research to do on that part of the history though, so please treat as speculation for now.
in any event we agree regarding the current HCR bills.
a po doesn’t have an incentive — only the people who benefit from it do (the poor and very sick, and the administrators who have jobs so long as the po exists). limiting the size, limiting it functionally to the very sick (because they are going to be the ones who use it if premium costs are indeed higher than private insurance) is in effect limiting the political power of those with an incentive to see the po succeed (this in part gets back to why i harp on requiring congress, their staff and most of the presidential administration being required to get their insurance via the po — now that would provide an incentive with political power).
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a po is no safety net without adequate regulation because it will cost too much (or will start competing on price by denying/managing care). but with adequate regulation, we don’t need the po as safety net — for example, i think we need the safety net hospitals, etc in MA far more than a po. but we have semi-decent regulation as far as i can tell (at least compared to much of the rest of the country).
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we seem to have negotiated ourselves in a corner and i’m not seeing many ways out. thanks though as always for your posts. i really appreciate them, and your analysis, even when we disagree.
You seem to assume that an institution has few incentives to struggle for it’s survival. My experience with bureaucracies is different. Moreover, especially in initial years after being established, those attracted to the organization tend to be committed to its mission and identify with their beneficiaries.
p.s. to cbsunglass @ 26 – i should have also said that there are other benefits to a large original hacker style po (even if i don’t see how it would lead to single payer), if we give up on universal healthcare but are still looking for some kind of improvement. but since neither universal healthcare or that kind of po is on the table, i didn’t bother to mention them. but i want to learn not limit my comments to what others have determined to be “on the table.”
incentives sure. but where is their poltiical power? maybe i’m wrong (hoping!), but i don’t see our current national regulatory environment (especially regarding FIRE industries) to be anything like what you’ve described your previous (pre-enron days) experience in ca.
as an example, just look at what is now, in the obama administration, happening to the epa whistleblowers. they may have all the incentive in the world — including risking their jobs — but what leverage do they have against the special interests that seem to have captured our gov, at least at the national level?
All I claimed is that the institution would have strong incentives for survival to influence the rigor of the regulations/enforcement for cost-sharing — you seem to agree there would be incentives. Whether that would be sufficient, I can’t predict.
My feeling on PO evolution to single payer is Darwinian. If it were given sufficient taxpayer support and offered to everyone, making a beneficial risk profile, its presence might close down private insurers over time leaving the PO to inherit the earth. At that point, and if we had a catharsis in leadership, the Po might be restructured to resemble closely single-payer. A lot of ifs, that’s why I said “might.” Unfortunately Camelot is a long way off. I prefer a short and ugly death to private insurance, but we can’t even get some liberals to join the revolution to even contemplate such an outcome. Harkening back to the 60s from whence I have come, don’t trust the government, it’ll only break your heart or your head.
Scarecrow, I can find nothing in the Dems’ “reform” bills that says the PO is prohibited from using managed care tools (such as drug formularies, utilization review, bonuses or capitation payments to encourage doctors to deny necessary services to their patients, and limited choice of provider). Nor have I been able to find anything in the CBO reports on the Dems’ bills justifying the CBO’s claim that sicker people will enroll in the PO (allegedly because the PO will be kinder and gentler than Aetna et al).
Could you tell me what evidence you’re relying on when you say the PO will be the “safety net” for the sicker people who will be driven away by insurance companies? I’m not asking you to demonstrate that the PO will actually survive and be present in all 50 states. You acknowledged your own doubts about that in this comment.I’m asking you to tell me why you assume the PO (given that it survives)will renounce all managed care tactics in a marketplace where all other insurers will be using managed care tactics plus god knows how many other below-the-radar illegal tactics to get rid of sicker patients.
This assumption that the PO, in the absence of any Congressional instructions to the contrary, will eschew managed care cost-control methods has pluses and minuses for PO advocates. If the assumption is wrong, that means PO advocates have one less reason to boast about the PO to their progressive base, but it also means the PO’s chances of breaking into any given market go up (because it will insure fewer sick people and will therefore be able to charge lower premiums). If the assumption is correct, PO advocates can honestly tell their progressive base that the PO will be a kind and gentle insurance company for the 1 or 2 percent of the population who enroll in it, but, on the other hand, the slim odds that the tiny PO will survive against the brutal behemoths that dominate our insurance industry get even slimmer.
Kip Sullivan
There is no way that the health care reform is going to deliver anything
other than total inefficiency.
The budget deficits estimates for 2019 are 12 trillion dollars.
what better source of income than all the money paid to insurance
companies?
let’s steal it from the American people says congress and ration care.
How can we be so gullible?
I think it’s reasonable to expect that a public entity would at least try to accomplish the goals of the legislation that created it, and that because of that expectation, employees attracted to work for the entity would have some commitment to the agency’s mission. I think that’s a natural expectation for a new organization. It’s not permanent, and any agency/bureaucracy can become subject to ossifying and regulatory capture. I spent 20 years at a newly create state policy/regulatory agency (not in health care) and the first ten years of that were extremely intense for employees who were highly committed to its mission. We were a zealous, committed group, on a mission,, and we managed to sustain that for a long time. Even today, my former colleagues are still pushing the reforms we began in the 1970s — yeah, it never ends.
Perhaps the PO would be different, and if so, the effect I’m predicting wouldn’t occur, but I dont have any reason to think that more likely than the scenario I’ve assumed based on prior experience.
Among your critiques, the one I most agree with is the start-up problem, which I warned about months ago wrt to the Medicare payment issue. And if you can’t overcome that, the PO never gets off the ground and none of what I’ve said in the post will matter much.
I hear you agreeing with me there’s nothing in the Dems’ ‘reform’ bills that will prohibit managed care tactics, and that there’s nothing in the CBO report documenting the CBO’s assumption that the PO won’t use managed care tactics. I think it’s very important that everyone understand that. The PO could, assuming it survives, turn into the equivalent of a government HMO, replete with limited choice of provider and a proclivity for employing infuriating but legal excuses for not paying bills.
You refer to the ‘goals of the legislation that created’ the PO and to the PO’s ‘mission.’ Isn’t that begging the question I asked? Let me rephrase my question slightly: Where in the Dems’ legislation can we find any evidence that one of Congress’s ‘goals’ for the PO is to maximize patient freedom of choice and doctor-patient freedom to make medical decisions? Where in the Dems’ legislation do we find any indication that the PO’s ‘mission’ will not include the use of managed care tools? (I’m not trying to be snotty with my quote marks. I’m trying to make sure you see I’m using your logic.)
I haven’t read the new senate bill carefully. Perhaps there is something in that bill that warns the PO’s staff not to mimic the managed care companies.
But if
* there is no evidence of congressional intent one way or the other on these issues, and
* one of the most obvious and fundamental goals of the PO legislation has to be survival of the PO, and
* the PO’s chances of survival will be enhanced by aggressive use of managed care tactics,
then isn’t it more plausible to assume the PO will be expected to use managed care tactics than to assume the PO won’t use PO tactics?
I ask that last question just to illustrate where I think your logic takes us. I see the question as rather speculative.
This issue strikes me as similar to a number of other issues critical to the PO campaign. It feels like we’re constantly discussing the never-seen, never-photographed Flying Spaghetting Monster rather than a bona fide solution to the American health care crisis pending before Congress. If one of us thinks the Flying Spaghetti Monster can fly 100 mph and eat Hummers in one gulp, who’s to say we’re wrong? Ditto for the theory of the kinder and gentler PO. You can talk about where you used to work, and I can talk about where I used to work, and whose to say which of us is right?
Kip
I’m not confusing Scarecrow’s PO with the non-viable POs in the House and Senate bills. However, what puzzles me is Scarecrow’s continued pushing for these bills to stop further evisceration of their POs. Put simply, the POs in these POs are already too weak. Since we have no chance of strengthening them through support of these bills, I think we need to oppose them, kill the bills, and get Congress to immediately go back to the drawing board.
I’ve made the case for that in three recent blogs:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/15194
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/15486 and:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/15873
I’m shocked to read there is any doubt about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Nevertheless, if Congress were to create a public agency whose mission/mandate were to provide an efficient payment/insurance system for everyone who signed up and was eligible, and instructed it to treat providers and enrollees fairly and respectfully, I’d like to think the agency and those attracted to work there would tend to function in that manner.
My (favorable) experiences with Social Security people, who also signed me up for Medicare, etc, confirms that view, and they function as a near monopoly, so having them act rudely/arrogantly and against the public interest might be expected — but it doesn’t seem to be prevalent. for some reason, people who work to help other people in public agencies seem to take their missions seriously.
So I’m not sure why I shouldn’t expect that same attitude from an entity set up to perform the PO functions if you gave them a comparable mandate, especially if the PO believed it might not survive if people didn’t voluntarily choose it.
Of course, bureaucracies can change and their service deteriorate, and it can get bad if the leadership doesn’t believe in the mission. But it seems to me we have to face that political management problem no matter what.
I don’t see how further evisceration of the concept of a government-sponsored, public insurance program is helpful in the short or long run, especially if you’re hoping eventually to get to an all encompassing public insurance programs like Medicare.
The bills are what they are; I didn’t write them. I’m trying to protect the legitimacy of the public concept now, and I’ll do it again next year and the year after that.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that if the concept of health insurance administered by a public entity dedicated to public goals is discredited now — and that’s what I see happening now by the four holdouts — it will make it harder to resurrect the concept later, in any form.
I have never denigrated the version of a public insurance concept that people here call “single payer.”
I don’t see how further evisceration of the concept of a government-sponsored, public insurance program is helpful in the short or long run, especially if you’re hoping eventually to get to an all encompassing public insurance programs like Medicare.
The bills are what they are; I didn’t write them. I’m trying to protect the legitimacy of the public concept now, and I’ll do it again next year and the year after that.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that if the concept of health insurance administered by a public entity dedicated to public goals is discredited now — and that’s what I see happening now by the four holdouts — it will make it harder to resurrect the concept later, in any form.
I have never denigrated the version of a public insurance concept that people here call “single payer.”
Sorry, I think the site went down for a few minutes.
Why is your experience with Social Security and Medicare relevant? The PO will be a business, not a government agency — a business that will get a loan from the government and then will have to seize market share from its competitors, keep its customers satisfied, and meet a payroll, all without further help from the government. That’s what all the ‘level playing field’ hoopla has been about.
I’ve objected here and elsewhere to comparing the PO to Medicare. As the bills are currently written, it won’t remotely look like Medicare. It will be a business, probably a business resembling a national franchise like Dairy Queen, with dozens or hundreds of POs covering small regions of the country. Medicare is not a business.
I urge you to consider rewriting your article and starting out with this sentence: ‘If the Democrats’ version of the PO were not a business, if it were instead part of Medicare, and if it was funded sufficiently, then the PO might very well serve as a safety net for the nation’s sickest. I warn you there is nothing remotely like that in either the Senate or the House bill. However, I’m in the mood to fantasize out loud about the role such a PO might play in this country, so here I go.’ That way readers would know immediately you’re not talking about anything relevant to what Joe Lieberman might do to the Democrats’ bill.
And I must insist that the Flying Spaghetti Monster can eat Hummers in a single gulp.
Jeez. You’re free to write your own post anyway you want.
Nor am I denigrating your support for a good PO, Scarecrow. I’m just raising the question once again, of whether or not we wouldn’t be better off working tio these two bills. You say you don’t see why that would help. My answer is that it would help because Obama and the blue dogs need a bill. If they don’t get a bill resulting in a compromise on the two on the table, they are going to have come back for another try before the 2010 elections. At that time, progressives, if they grow a backbone, can get a much better bargain and save a lot more lives, bankruptcies and foreclosures than we can save with these terribly inadequate bills. Now, that’s why.
You can, of course, say that my scenario won’t happen. But I don’t think there is a reasonable basis for that theory and that it is, also, just a theory, based on nothing but an imperfect hunch.
I won’t say that my theory is based on anything more. But dammit, Obama needs an hcr bill, as do the blue dogs and everybody knows. We need to have the guts to jam them up against the wall for once, and quit being so damnably reasonable about thinking that something, however miniscule is better than nothing at all. It’s often not, and it’s not here.
You and I exchanged once before here, and that was a good, honest, and civil exchange. but I’ve expanded the argument here, and here, and I didn’t see you at either discussion. I’d like to know your reaction to these posts, and why you still think it’s better to settle for the croutons, as libby says, if we can get them,then it is to kill these bills and come back again directly afterwards.
Kip might not know how to use the Post Diary tool. I notice that Andy Coates posts his articles at pnhp.
We’re dealing with unknowable predictions of the future under dynamic and unpredictable political conditions. I don’t have a lot of firm predictions beyond the moment. Given that, I don’t believe that if the bill is killed now, another bill will come back next year, let alone come back stronger, but I have no way of knowing for sure. My guess is that Congress will be so down on the effort they won’t be anxious to try again soon, so any significant new bill would have to wait for another advantageous opportunity, perhaps the next President, or longer. Perhaps some interim measure would be considered, with limited scope, but not another effort this big. That’s just a guess.
I know. We’re all guessing. But one thing we do know. If this bill passes without a PO, progressives will feel the Administration sold out and will be motivated to try again. But if the PO is approved at is, they will live with this horrible band-aid period until 2013 or 2014. That’s just unacceptable and that’s why we have to kill this dog before it comes back to bite us in 2010.
do you think it will be anything like how discredited the idea of public insurance will be if the po is more expensive (and with no profits!) than the private insurance it’s supposed to compete with?
of course, i could be wrong too, but that possibility strikes me as the worst case in terms of lessons learned — and why i’ve thought that a weak nonviable po is much much worse than no po at all.
here is something that is known and predictable, and will remain so until a certain naive and devoted, though quite politically engaged segment changes their historic patterns:
Every time the Democrats get into power in Washington, they will find always ream and betray elements of their ‘base’ in ways even Republicans might not have been able to get away with.*
And most Democrats will continue to reflexively vote (D), no matter what!
the Health Insurance Reform Act debacle being merely the first of many under this Administration. Watch out, Social Security if he somehow gets a second term!
Its only oh so mysterious, complex and nuanced, the Emporer’s finery, so exquisitely tailored, the epaulettes especially sending a strong signal to those with eyes to see . . .
no, actually, here is what more and more people see:
this “diabolical labyrinth of ingenious legislative maneuvers” is presumably what Scarecrow was referring to, as being so ineffable, so dynamic and unpredictable.
But you know, some people are able to predict likely developments, they just start from positions that are doctrinally unacceptable in (D) captured policy wonk circles.
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*NAFTA and ‘welfare reform’ being clear, major examples from Clintontime, not to mention the expanded pillaging of our environment and gutting of Federal regulations when Al Gore was VP.
The public option will break this country. It will also cost this nation another million jobs. Who is going to pay for this, with so many unemployed? In my industry, medical sales, we have already lost 30,000 medical device sales jobs this year as companies prepare for reform. Lear more at http://www.gorillamedicalsales.com
I think that has more to do with PNHP’s posting policies than Kip’s technical prowess.
Defensive and unresponsive. You understand full well the point he’s making.
But Kip, as long as we live in a fee-for-service environment, don’t we need intervention in doctor-patient freedom? All systems ration, including those to which we aspire most dearly.
The only advantages to a true nonprofit system, whether a ‘viable’ public plan or straight-up single payer, is that the profit motive will (or should) not introduce a conflict of interest in those rationing decisions. That, plus — for single payer — the enormous savings that should allow for less stringent rationing.
This entire question of whether docs and patients are routinely making stupid decisions and driving up health care costs is going to heat up as soon as the great PO debate of 2009 is over. There are powerful groups waiting in the wings eager to recycle the failed HMO experiment. They are revving their engines now, and will take center stage soon, almost certainly some time during 2010. All of us who care about single-payer need to view this Managed Care 2.0 campaign with the same skepticism with which we viewed the micro-PO. Managed Care 2.0 will be used to suck the reform oxygen out of the room the way the PO has been used.
I’m sure I’ll have a chance to say a lot more about the claim that “overuse” of the health care system, allegedly caused by either greedy doctors responding to the fee-for-service system and dumb patients responding to “too much insurance,” is the main driver of health care costs in the US. It is not. Judging from what little research has been done to calculate the relative dimensions of under- and overuse, underuse is far worse, even among the insured, than overuse. If the net of under- and overuse is underuse, how do we blame the fee-for-service system or “overinsured” patients for overusing the system? Only if we maintain a one-eyed focus on overuse can we get exicted about either the FFS system or “overinsurance.” But I think we’d all agree such a focus is illogical at best and unethical at worst.
If we define “rationing” as the denial of necessary medical services, then it’s not true that “all systems ration.” I know that is said over and over, but it can only be true if “rationing” is defined to mean the denial of unnecessary services. To take an example, it is not “rationing” if my doctor refuses to put my sprained ankle in a cast when a splint or bandage will do. It is rationing if I show up at my doctor’s office with a sprain and I’m turned away. I believe the “rationing is everywhere” myth is caused in part by the myth that anything that is free at the point of service must be overused. That’s true of wine and vacations and cars. It’s not true of healthc are.
Finally, even if research some day says I’m wrong and that overuse is worse than underuse and overuse is caused by dumb doctors and patients responding to the FFS system and “overinsurance” respectively, we must then confront that fact that managed care failed miserably to root out only unnecessary services and leave necessary services alone. We simply don’t know how to interfere in the doc-patient relationship without making patients worse off and draining health care professionals if money (to finance the administrative costs of coping with managed care) and morale.
Just to add another thought here:
When Scarecrow says:
I’d agree with this, only to the extent that the PO would be tarred for the future because it couldn’t get passed. However, I don’t think that discredit will extend to Medicare for All, since the marketing dynamics for it will be entirely different than for the PO.
Nor will anyone be able to claim the lack of success for the PO this year is a oolitical failure for Medicare for All, since, of course, no President has seriously tried to pass that in more than 60 years.
Thanks for that comment, spork.
But I don’t quite agree with this statement. I think that if Obama follows his present course many Democrats will be falling away and some will be looking to third parties.
medsearch, have you any economic forecasts to back that up?
Pethaps, but not everyone indulges in even a little bit of html.
Kip, I’m not sure what precisely falls under your rubric of Managed Care 2.0, but if you’re seriously arguing that fee-for-service is not part of the problem, you’re going against such major single-payer advocates as Arnold Relman and Marcia Angell, not to mention TR Reid’s analysis of different systems around the world, where the Japanese fee-for-service system works only because of drastic service cost controls.
I do not define rationing as “denial of necessary medical services” and reject the notion that the art of medicine breaks into the simple binary categories of necessary and unnecessary. Hard decisions are made every day in every system regarding whether to finance every treatment or service health professionals want to provide for their patients.
To rip just from yesterday’s headlines:
In our own single-payer system, CMS makes determinations all the time about what kinds of procedures and treatments it will approve, and for whom — for example, regarding whether Medicare will fund certain interventional cardiology procedures in patients above a certain age. That certainly constitutes coming between a cardiologist and her patient.
The saving ethical grace in these determinations is the knowledge that in true nonprofit systems, protecting shareholder equity plays no role.
In highlighting these facts, I’m not coming anywhere close to ludicrous Republican assertions about Americans being overinsured.
“There’s a Reason Why Health Reform Must Include a Viable Public Option”
47 million uninsured
The PO being proposed in the House and Senate bills won’t do very much to address that problem, since the PO won’t exist in the first few years of each reform and even when it does go into effect and is operating for a few years current forecasts are that it won’t cover more than 6 million of the 47 million people you mention.
Yup, that’s what I’m saying — fee-for-service is not the problem. Fee-for-service is far and away the most dominant method of payment in the rest of the industrialized world where health care costs are, on average, half of ours. If we’re trying to figure out what the rest of the world does right, it can’t be that they have abandoned the FFS system.
It’s the absence of both effective regulation and effective competition that makes our health care system so expensive, not overuse by greedy doctors and dumb “overinsured” patients. I’m not sure about your statement that Angell and Relman disagree with me; feel free to elaborate on that point if you like. I’m saying overuse exists, but it is swamped by underuse. Do they contradict that statement? If so, I disagree with them.
I do define rationing as the denial of necessary services. What other usable definition is there? It’s true that defining what is and is not necessary is often difficult because medicine is more art than science, but that doesn’t change the truth of my statement.
Your choice of Avastin does not help your argument. Avastin was approved last year by our FDA over the objections of its advisory committee and several cancer patient groups. As I recall, the patient groups that objected to the approval of Avastin did so on the ground that the side effects outweighed the 4 or 5 extra months of life Avastin bestows. We can’t assume that any drug the drug industry wants the FDA or NICE to approve is good for patients. I’m doing all this from memory, but if my memory is correct I would side with the patient groups and say denying patients access to Avastin is not rationing.
NICE is a pimple on the British system. They’ve only been around a few years, and they’ve had a chance to look at only a miniscule number of treatments. You might disagree with those decisions by NICE that certain drugs have such awful side effects compared with their limited effectiveness that the taxpayer shouldn’t pay for them (not every decision by NICE goes against new drugs and treatments). But you should express your disagreement as disagreement over the science and the values brought to bear on the decision, not as yet another example of the inevitable “rationing” all systems must engage in. If we didn’t have people like Sarah Palin in the world waiting to pounce on every stray word that suggests universal health insurance leads to the apocolypse, I’d be less concerned about loose use of “rationing.” But we do have reckless people in our midst and so the promiscuous use of “rationing” concerns me.
I wholeheartedly accept the type of research NICE does. NICE’s research is merely one variant of traditional medical research into what works. We need a lot more of it and we should never characterize it as “rationing” unless and until we have evidence that the process used by NICE-type agencies is corrupt and not in the best interest of patients.
Ralphbon, I overlooked your question about Managed Care 2.0. That’s my label for:
(1) prevention and disease management as money savers (most forms of proven preventive services and DM do not cut costs);
(2)report cards on providers and “pay for performance” based on report cards (will damage quality and raise costs);
(3) electronic medical records to facilitate the above (EMRs will raise costs and have at best modest effects on quality);
(4) HMOs recycled as “accountable care organizations” and “medical homes.”
[I can't believe I'm debating Kip Sullivan. Truly there must be a great disturbance in the Force, Luke.]
Kip, I gather I’ve pushed a button of yours in using the word “rationing.” I assure you I’m not using it to provide fodder for Rethug rallies. But your definition of the term is altogether impractical. From my nearly 30 years of experience as a medical writer, I can assure you of the vast malleability of the term “necessary.”
What we hear continually in the health care reform debate is how terrible it is for private insurers (or for right-wingers, the gu’mint) to “come between a doctor and his/her patient.” In a large proportion of those cases, the services a payor blocks or fails to adequately cover are considerd “necessary” by the doctor.
In a world of limited resources, we need neutral (but not profit-driven) bodies like NICE or CMS to make those tough socioeconomic determinations, informed by the best available science. I hope you understand that we agree on that point. I call it rationing because I don’t fear use of the term.
I brought up the example of NICE and Avastin only because it was a fresh example of such tough decision-making gleaned from my scan of the industry press yesterday morning — not because I have any opinion on the correctness of the decision.
But since you insist on getting factoidal on me, I need to point out that the drug was approved 5 years ago, not last year; that it was indicated from the start in colorectal cancer; that NCI currently lists the agent as somewhere between a first- and second-line option in metastatic colorectal disease; and of course the agent has major tolerability issues — we’re talking about chemotherapy for advanced cancer. Limiting its availability to a patient after an oncologist has weighed in on its necessity constitutes rationing by my definition, and that may indeed be the right socioeconomic call; use a different term if “rationing” bothers you.
Regarding Relman and Angell, you seem to be laying on additional stipulations for what it would take for them to be disagreeing with you. They and many others (eg, the fabulous Paul Hochfeld of the Mad as Hell Docs, whom I helped welcome to Washington in September) identify American-style fee-for-service as part of the problem. Not the whole problem, but part of it. If you defend American fee-for-service without stipulation, then you’re disagreeing with them.
Relman specifically advocates shifting away from fee-for-service in favor of multispecialty group practices with professionals on salary. Here he is in last July’s New York Review of Books:
Anyway, that’s quite enough for a Thanksgiving morning when my entire family is down with a nasty respiratory virus, which is why I didn’t respond sooner. All best to you and yours.
Thanks for laying these out.
We’re agreeing in principle on some important points and disagreeing on when to use “rationing” and whether fee-for-service should be seen as a culprit.
We’re agreeing that we need agencies like NICE and CMS and the FDA to make decisions that protect patients from drugs with side effects that outweigh their benefits.
I believe you are correct about Avastin being approved for colorectal cancer. I was referring to the FDA’s controversial decision to approve Avastin for breast cancer. I should have made that clear. That approval was given last year and it was over the objections of the FDA’s advisory committee and the recommendations of one or more patient groups. So, having made it clear I was talking about that decision, I repeat, I would not have considered an FDA decision to refuse to approve an example of “rationing.” Would you?
If NICE or any other body makes these decisions primarily on a cost basis, then I think “rationing” becomes appropriate term. I realize NICE uses cost per “quality adjusted life years” in their calculations (the FDA does not and CMS does not), but I’m not familiar enough with NICE’s calculations to say for sure that cost is a major factor as opposed to the net of the good and bad effects of the drug or treatment. Drugs with horrific side effects that add only a few months to life tend to look bad to anyone trying to make these decisions, and that remains true no matter where NICE sets the QALY cost threshold.
You’re free, of course, to use any word you want to describe the process by which regulatory agencies decide what treatments and drugs will be given permission to be sold and, if sold, reimbursed by an insurance program. I speak constantly to the public about this issue, both in person, on the radio, and through my writing. I’m very aware of how certain phrases or metaphors interfere with communication. “Rationing” is one of those. I believe strongly we should use the word to refer to the denial of necessary services and we should say that every time we use that word in front of a general audience. If you or someone else wants to argue that determining what is medically necessary is difficult, I’ll be the first to agree. But how we define “rationing” is a different subject from whether determining what is medically necessary is easy or hard.
Anyone who says the fee-for-service system is part of the problem should prove it. They should also explain what they think will happen to the rampant underuse of medicine if we shift doctors to either salary or capitation. If you can post any papers by Relman or anyone else you think has authority on this issue that document that the FFS system is a major cause of health care inflation anywhere in the world, please do. Health policy is a field rife with faith-based decision-making. We should insist on evidence-based health policy. We should demand it of our friends and our opponents. If we can make evidence-based health policy the coin of the realm, we are more likely to win. If we continue to let naked opinion rule the debate, we are more likely to lose.
I’m off to play some tennis, then to have some turkey. Thank you for the well wishes. Same to you.
Kip