Paul Krugman’s column today, Reform or Else, urges Senate "centrists" who claim to be concerned about fiscal responsibility to consider what would happen if the current health reform efforts fail.
Since both present and future deficits are largely driven by rapid escalation in health care costs, the reform bills present the best chance to prevent an inevitable future budget crisis. So Krugman repeats the view of prominent economists who, following a letter to Obama, recently praised the Senate bill’s provisions for cost containment.
Are we talking about real savings, or just window dressing? Well, the health care economists I respect are seriously impressed by the cost-control measures in the Senate bill, which include efforts to improve incentives for cost-effective care, the use of medical research to guide doctors toward treatments that actually work, and more. This is “the best effort anyone has made,” says Jonathan Gruber of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. A letter signed by 23 prominent health care experts — including Mark McClellan, who headed Medicare under the Bush administration — declares that the bill’s cost-control measures “will reduce long-term deficits.”
Unfortunately, that "best effort" seems to be unraveling. Time’s Karen Tumulty writes in Where Did Health Reform Go? (picking up on points Jon Walker has made) that several of the Senate’s key cost-containment features have been undermined from the start:
– The comparative cost studies lost their teeth:
. . . both the House and Senate bills explicitly prevent this research from being used to decide which services Medicare would pay for and how much it would reimburse.
– The Medicare Advisory Commission, doesn’t get to bite the biggest provider costs:
Under a deal to win hospitals’ support for the bill, the Senate Finance Committee agreed they would be exempt from the commission’s recommendations at least through 2019; doctors, hospices and medical-equipment suppliers would be beyond its reach entirely. Who is left? Maybe no one. . . .
[Even wrose,] the current version would allow it to make recommendations only when Medicare spending per capita grows faster than overall health costs. That almost never occurs.
– Key cost-saving pilot projects could be muzzled:
Under its version of the bill, three of the pilot programs that have the most potential to transform health care would require congressional approval before the Secretary could apply them to Medicare nationally. [accountable care organizations, bundling, and medical homes]
Not mentioned by Krugman or Tumulty are the "centrists" ongoing efforts to further weaken or remove the public option, which (in its "strong" form) the Urban Institute argues is essential to deal with both insurer and provider market power and bring down costs. (Ezra Klein notes the importance of this feature to cost containment here; more here.)
To be sure, Krugman may be right that this is the best shot we have for a long time in getting health care reform and health care costs under control.
That observation in itself should make anyone concerned with fiscal responsibility support this reform. Over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office has concluded, the proposed legislation would reduce, not increase, the budget deficit. And by giving us a chance, finally, to rein in the ever-growing spending of Medicare, it would greatly improve our long-run fiscal prospects.
But Krugman is only half right is noting the irresponsible obstruction and opposition coming from Republicans. We’re also seeing massive resistance to cost containment from every element of the affected industries — insurers, hospitals, doctors and drug makers and other medical providers.
The insurance industry has become an easy target. But the providers’ political and market power also lie at the core of the cost explosion problem. Given their ability to flood Congress with campaign money, the industries seem to be winning, shielding themselves from competition or countervailing bargaining power from a strong public option and effective oversight and regulation. And so far, the Senate "centrists" appear to be aiding and abetting their efforts, but they’re not alone.
More:
NYT: How much do doctors in other countries make?
Klein, An insurance industry CEO explains why health care costs so much (great charts)



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Why is this discussion always framed in terms of impact on the budget rather than in terms of impact on the economy?
Our economy gets a 16% bite taken out of it for health care, compared to a 10% bite throughout the rest of the industrialized world. That’s a lot of drag on the economy and makes U.S. businesses much less competitive in world markets.
Per the Wikipedia:
That accounts for about half of the difference. But also there’s the identifiable fact that we pay way more per pill for pharmaceuticals than any other nation, which accounts for a bit more.
I’m guessing that most of the rest goes to fraud of various sorts, e.g., unnecessary MRIs prescribed by MDs that have equity in the testing facilities — all in the name of “defensive medicine.”
I agree the focus should be on the economy as a whole, whether or not the share that cycles through the federal budget goes up. It’s a point I’ve made many times. And it’s true we pay doctors, drug makers and other providers much more, for comparable service/care, than other countries. See, e.g.,
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/
And see these charts comparing US vs other countries on provider payments:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/an_insurance_industry_ceo_expl.html
Klein’s charts make the case emphatically:
And that’s the title of this excellent report by Gerard Anderson of Johns Hopkins, Uwe Reinhardt of Princeton, and others: http://www.cpdn.ca/client/cpdn/CPDNHome.nsf/object/OECD+comparison/$file/OECD+Healthcare+Study.pdf
~~~ModNote: The above link goes straight to a PDF~~~
I believe that the framing to avoid looking at saving to the economy arises from two things: (1) the difficulty of modeling the effects on the economy of specific items in the bill and (2) an ideological bias to not acknowledging that positive government action can actually lower the cost of doing business and the cost to consumers at the same time.
This works in a helpful way to the special interest ox of the moment that is being gored by the legislation.
The reason I think, that health care expenditures can not be allowed to continue to grow at this rate is that which is often stated and convincingly. Indefinite growth at this rate is unsutainable.
But this reality is not a cause for decimating health care. Because the measures that will reduce health costs are precisely those measures that argue for single payer and other reforms such as unnecessary subsidies to private insurers and drug makers and better standards of medical practice.
Furthermore the fact that Health care costs in Medicare and Medicaid need to be curbed doesn’t preclude other areas in the budget to be curbed in the exact same or greater rate, such as defense spending, subsidies to private industries and tax giveaways. In fact spending cuts in entitlemnent programs should be contingent on these other cuts to be included as well.
Bernanke’s absurd statement that entitlements should be first to suffer cuts because that is where the brunt of the spending goes, is absurdly biased. Entitlements are also where the need is most. So using this standard defense and subsidies to private firms and tax giveaways should be the first to suffer cuts, because the need for these expenditures is least.
i think it’s a neoliberal fallacy that there are solutions to be found that don’t require challenging these status quo centers of political power.
Who needs Repugs with Democrats like this?
But if we contain health care costs and thus lower the cost of doing business or remaining competitive with the rest of the industrialized world it would undercut the need to offshore jobs and that’s simply not good enough for our corporate overlords.
SO glad you put the word “centrist” into quotes because these blue dogs are NOT “centrist” they’re obstructionists;
when the MAJORITY of Americans AND constituents want the reform obstructing that reform is NOT “centrist”
well done bae to the crow!
What irks me is that, if I understand the first thing about each, the House bill is bent on locking us into employer-based coverage that will condemn us to noncompetitiveness into the foreseeable future, while the Senate bill is a front-row ticket for nationwide plans offered by insurance firms that will be even more powerful than the ones we are now having to deal with and will be free of the little good that state regulators manage to accomplish. Neither makes the least economic sense. It seems we’re being asked to choose between two ways of being snookered. It’s a two-headed coin and we’ve been assigned tails.
One more thing. People are citing the Goldman study on how the industry will fare in various scenarios, notably with or without reform and/or a public option. Will someone who thinks Goldman didn’t hedge its exposure before releasing its study please let me know? I have a great synthetic CDO for you.
I posted this downthread, but does anyone know how we figure out the real “Cost” of health care?
I have not been able to spend much time at the computer lately so have not kept up with threads much, try to keep up with the posts. Has there been any discussion or anyone have links to how much health care really “costs?” For example, there is a price for the service on the bill, then the part I pay and the part that is “covered” by insurance.
I don’t think the price of the service has any relationship to the “cost” of it.
I have always bought my own insurance and paid the highest rate, even though I am healthy. But I did not start buying insurance until the early 1990s. Until that time, an annual exam (pap smear) cost about $50. Now it is over $400, at least on the bill. What does it really cost?
I would love for someone to add up all the lobying done to prevent a public plan and figure out how much lower rates would be on an individual basis if thoes lobying funds were applied to rates
when I hear how much they have spent it boggles the mind that they are making SO much money they can invest those kinds of funds without realizing real financial pressure against their own bottom line
My experience re dr/hospital bills: “broken heart syndrome” resulted in “bill” of $50,000.00 for ER/angiogram/overnight in hospital. Insurance paid doctor AND hospital a total of around $6,000.00. I paid $100.00 copay. The ‘real’ cost????
And I’m still ‘top-heavy’ —- having paid in many, many thousands over the years with very few claims. A couple more such hospitalizations and I may break even. The money went where?
This is a huge question and I think simply cannot be defined in terms of short term costs. Just what is the “Cost” of enacting Civil Rights laws” or for that matter ending slavery? (Believe it or not there are still folks in the Old Confederacy who claim the Civil War was about economics and they have a point.) We know the global costs over centuries of slavery in a divided nation were devastating, even in terms of the economic status of the majority who lived in the south
I just found an interesting web site that has all kinds of interesting historical studies of such things as the cost of lead pollution as far back as the 1700′.s. I haven’t had much chance to explore it but here is the link.
http://www.runet.edu/~wkovarik/envhist/3enlightenment.html
The disaster of telling them they have to cover everything (but abortion of course, and I wonder how many plans now cover it anyway?) but having no way to control the costs, it is mind boggling. I think when we went to HMOs is when the costs began to sky rocket. It is just sickening.
Perris, are you in NYC? I was just there for a little visit.
u didn’t visit me?
*sad face*
AWWW. Sorry. I was busy as I don’t get there often. Maybe next time. I hope it will be sooner than later.
Exactly what I am saying, Dearie. It is an incredible scam.
But the execs of insurance companies make great salaries and the ‘training’ events are spectacular. And they still make profit! Such a deal!
Here’s a better link for the above http://www.runet.edu/~wkovarik/envhist/timeline.text.html
A couple of other examples. Not so long ago they tried to stop covering hip and knee replacements in old people and also doing cataract extractions.in the elderly. They used much the same reasoning as the people who are suggesting decreasing frequency of screening mammograms.
Then some real scientists did some studies and lo and behold! Old people who can walk and see cost less to take care of medically, not to mention otherwise. Joint replacements and cataract treatment are some of the least costly long range. In fact they can be considered investments that more than pay for themselves.
I like Krugman, and He has been right on many things.
The trouble is no one listens to Him, that matters.
Everything He says is dismissed by Summers and the others advising Obama, so He like many of us are just talking to walls.
Single payer not for profit healthcare is what the Country needs, and that includes Republicans and their small business’s they always talk about, but the are against fixing problems and giving the Country what it needs.
They actually think us being ripped by the insurance industry is good for the Country and Us, because it’s the free market system.
It is absolutely impossible to advocate for comparative cost studies and then turn right back around and claim that you oppose rationing. Those are mutually exclusive positions.
“…decide which services Medicare would pay for and how much it would pay…”
That is the very definition of rationing.
Yeah, after all, the insurance companies do such a wonderful job of rationing already, how could the government ever improve on it?
Don’t bitch about it when the insurance companies do something and then turn right back around and get mad when the federal government doesn’t. My entire point was to point out the hypocrisy. I make the same exact point in a post about Aetna.
The people here who always mention the CBO report when discussing the supposed savings need to go back and read the report. Specifically the part where the CBO essentially laughs at the notion that the cuts the Dems are proposing will ever happen or that the amount of those demanding subsidies will stay at the projected levels.
It is absolutely amazing that anyone can look at the pending insolvency of Medicare and Social Security and then claim this bill is going to save money by subsidizing health care for tens of milllions of people. All of the “savings” are arrived at by cuts that the CBO is openly skeptical will ever happen (read the report) and by the use of transparent budget gimmicks such as putting the doctor fix in another bill or taxing for 10 years and only providing 6 years of service.
Just curious . . . Suppose competently-peer-reviewed comparative studies revealed that:
1. Treatment A produced no observable improvements but cost $5,000
2. Treatment B produced observable improvements but cost $500
Should Medicare pay $5,000 to a physician who nevertheless decides to administer Treatment A? Is that rationing?
What are the ethical obligations of a physician when made aware of the studies?
What should be disclosed to the patient about these choices?
How does using the term “rationing” apply or contribute to this discussion?
I can see how different cases would raise different questions. E.g.:
Supppose Treatment X produced observable benefits for $500
Suppose Treatment Y produce somewhat better benefits for $5,000
What should Medicare do with respect to recommendations/payments, given this information? If Medicare decided to pay only $500, we have a different case, but I don’t understand the proposals to be suggesting that.
The need for healthcare is a given. The question is how best to pay for it. Many people would gladly pay twice as much if their expenses were called “premiums” rather than “taxes.” I am not one of those.
In terms of how to get the most healthcare for the dollar, the statics that I’ve heard are that:
* Medicare imposes a takes a 1% bite out of each dollar, while private insurers take 20% to 30%.
* Medicare pays the lowest per procedure of all insurers.
The bottom line is that we get way more healthcare per dollar from Medicare than from any other healthcare expenditures. So the taxes to pay for Medicare are a bargain.
By way of followup to my post above, the first two charts here show that Medicare pays on average:
I agree with the lobbying reply. I would love to know how much we spend on lobbying. It is time to eliminate lobbying and all political contributions as tax deductible. I know this cuts both sides, but it is something that can help our elected officials to do their jobs more altruistically.