We’re about to find out how this "BP is responsible for the spill and cleanup, but we’re responsible for oversight" concept works, because BP is apparently defying the Environmental Protection Agency’s order to find and use a different, less toxic and more effective dispersant.
From the continued excellent coverage by the Times Picayune:
BP has told the Environmental Protection Agency that it cannot find a safe, effective and available dispersant to use instead of Corexit, and will continue to use that chemical application to help break up the growing spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
BP was responding to an EPA directive Thursday that gave BP 24 hours to identify a less toxic alternative to Corexit — and 72 hours to start using it — or provide the Coast Guard and EPA with a "detailed description of the alternative dispersants investigated, and the reason they believe those products did not meet the required standards."
BP spokesman Scott Dean said Friday that BP had replied with a letter "that outlines our findings that none of the alternative products on the EPA’s National Contingency Plan Product Schedule list meets all three criteria specified in yesterday’s directive for availability, toxicity and effectiveness."
Dean noted that "Corexit is an EPA pre-approved, effective, low-toxicity dispersant that is readily available, and we continue to use it."
He did not directly address widely broadcast news reports that more than 100,000 gallons of an alternative dispersant chemical call Sea-Brat 4 was stockpiled near Houston and available for application.
As the article notes, there are reportedly quantities of alternative dispersants available in the region.
BP’s Dean statement suggests an attitude of open defiance. They’ve been ordered to stop using a dispersant and replace it, or explain why, but "we continue to use it." So who’s in charge here?
Either EPA needs to say, "we’ve examined the response and based on our own investigation we agree that alternatives meeting our criteria are not available and so authorize BP to continue using its dispersant" . . . or . . . EPA needs to say "we do not agree and BP shall immediately cease its use of the dispersant and comply with our order."
What EPA can’t say, or leave others to conclude, is "we continue to believe BP can and should be using an alternative, but we have to take their word and there’s nothing we can do about it."
The public is out of patience and they expect their government to be able to function in an emergency. It better be quick.
Update: Interesting comments from BP and EPA yesterday, reported by ABC:
Though Suttles said BP will continue to search for a better alternative, he said "right now we cannot identify another product that is available that’s better than [dispersant] Corexit."
EPA spokeswoman Adora Andy told ABC News today, "It’s not that Corexit is banned. It’s not that they have to stop using it because they’re using it right now. But it’s just that they need to switch over."
Oh. And there’s this:
Suttles said he had not seen any evidence of the toll the dispersant is taking on marine life, he admitted that using the chemicals involves "tradeoffs."
"I haven’t seen any evidence to show that," Suttles said today. "We’re doing extensive monitoring as is NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and the EPA."
According to the NYT, NOAA has only four research ships to cover the Gulf, with another still returning from the Pacific, while all of the EPA’s monitoring is either near shorelines or for air contamination on shore, not effects on the deepwaters near the BP site. (see EPA website below).
Related:
Times Picayune, EPA demands BP use less toxic dispersant
Empytywheel, Congress gets results on Corexit, and see John Hall questions BP on greenwashing campaign
NYT/Greenwire, Less toxic dispersants lose out in BP oil spill cleanup
EPA website on dispersants and directives to BP
NYT, Scientists fault lack of studies over Gulf oil spill
Local media: Fisherman report illnesses from BP chemicals



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Well, obviously it isn’t the Obama Admin but that might be a good thing in an overall, cosmic perspective.
Just fucking amazing.
I agree. This is absolutely astounding. It may be time to issue a national homeland security directive freezing all of BPs assets and nationalize all US operations, oh, and arrest the fucking board, and that slimy CEO.
Ah, to dream in OBPama world.
From the same Times Picayune article:
Let me hazard a guess: Also the cheapest?
Owners Own.
Graham and Reilly will get right on it.
Well, I guess it was such a suggestion after all.
If BP can say “NO” to this, what can’t they say “NO” to?
Taking advice from Tom Friedman, I suppose: Every once in a while, a powerful extraction industry has to throw a US regulator up against the wall and say, “Suck. On. This.”
I suppose it’s anecdotal at this point, but WDSU, New Orleans NBC TV affiliate is reporting: Fishermen Report Illness From BP Chemicals.
Obama’s response.
Huh? OK, whatever.
Sounds to me like they are daring the EPA to tell them to stop using corexit so that when the lawsuits hit, they can stand up in court and say it’s the EPA’s fault.
Ooh! Let’s not take advice from Friedman. He’d tell us to wait six months….
They apparently have financial ties to the company that makes it.
thanks for that link. added to post.
But I can’t immediately support that. I had read it somewhere but witjout citation. Coexit is manufactured by the Nalco Holding Company which has ties to Exxon, not BP as far as I can tell.
This is exactly what came to my mind.
aka Friedman Unit, or in blogger shorthand, FU.
Here is the MSDS for Corexit. This phrase leaped out at me:
ENVIRONMENTAL PRECAUTIONS :
Do not contaminate surface water.
At least in China they execute rogue executives.
And now Obamabots are smearing everyone over at Puffpo and Daily Kult who criticizes Dear Leader by calling them tea baggers, fox news acolytes, and right wingers. So apparently that’s their new meme.
This gets my vote
But as another commenter mentioned I suspect Obummer will be like ‘Oh Whatever’
It will be interesting to watch and listen for Lisa Jacksons’ response
Also this kinda screams out:
So. If used otherwise than indicated, the environmental risk is low but it is not recommended to contaminate surface water with the product. Hmmmm…..
What about this commission Obama has called to “study” this problem? My phone hasn’t rang, so they must be deep in the bench. I call for a DEFCON 1 status, all hands on deck from the drilling industry and shut this thing in.
Yep. I actually celebrated my birthday in Friedman units the other day.
I read they have ties to both EXXON and BP.
I also read one of the head mucks at Corexit suddenly just “retired.”
Ain’t that a kicker?
Apparently that’s going to take a full FU to complete too.
I phoned my Senators offices three weeks ago advocating that all available US resources, Industrial and Military be immediately brought to bear and cap this thing. I mentioned that the approach being used by BP would allow continued extraction with the existing infrastructure whereas other methods that aren’t being considered that would enclose the casing wouldn’t allow extraction in the future.
Senator’s staff response: ‘I can’t believe BP would do that, that can’t be right’
Their sales representative is probably Herb Tarlek.
LMAO! Right? Wonder if he’s still wearing sofa upholstery?
If you research Corexit, Exxon and Valdez, the reports at the time of the Valdez disaster stated that Corexit was developed by Exxon. That Exxon owned the rights to it.
Interesting relationships.
Yes, I have read that BP has financial ties to the makers of Corexit.
Corexit is also banned in many countries.
So there was a stockpile of it. What better way to get rid of it and to generate profit for the manufacturer than to dump it in the US toilet (formerly known as the Gulf of Mexico)?
The citizens of the United States, and our precious resources/wildlife, are being shit on by BP.
I more remember the “don’t go near him with a hangnail” polyester leisure suits.
Some would call them “incestuous”. I know I would.
That’s the first thing that came to my mind. It wouldn’t surprise me anymore if the EPA were acting to help limit BP’s liability.
Ugh! Polyester leisure suits! Whatever made men think those things were attractive? I know they couldn’t have been comfortable.
No doubt it’s still chock full of Bush appointees. That and the DOJ are the ones he worked hardest to stock with ideological fellow travelers.
EDIT: That being said, Orahma has had the helm for over a year now. He owns it.
…from pensacola beach blog….
“Mr. Kirschenfeld said he was also troubled by another rule. Local animal rescue workers have volunteered to help treat birds affected by the slick and to collect data that would also be used to help calculate penalties for the spill. But federal officials have told the volunteers that the work must be done by a company hired by BP.
“Everywhere you look, if you look, you start seeing these conflicts of interest in how this disaster is getting handled,” Mr. Kirschenfeld said. “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but there is just too much overlap between these people.”
In my mind, dispersants are merely to eliminate photo-ops of oil in the Gulf. Like dispersing a crowd from protesting. It would be better for the oil to rise for removal by skimming. There is absolutely no way to “clean up” the spill if it remains submerged and dispersed into droplets. It just remains as a death sentence for sea life.
Look, Obama’s leaving BP entirely free to ride this thing without any reins. Whatever shakes out in the end, be it thousand ruined and sickened,
deaths from chemical exposure, and destruction of the US landscape, I’m sure our Narcissist in Chief is certain he can deflect, blame, and talk his way out of it.
It’s not going to fly this time.
Nicely stated. Goes for Senators, too. Actually, that’s an understatement. It would appear that anyone in Congress and the administration are subject to strong-arming.
First, confirm that BP is a foreign invader launching an attack on the US homeland. As such, we should declare a national emergency and take charge of shutting this disaster down NOW. A month after the first explosion and it’s still gushing oil at astounding rates. Clearly BP’s first concern is posturing for future litigation while at the same time attempting to save the underground chamber of oil. The environment is an afterthought. The POTUS should commandeer a nearby platform that is sucking oil out of the same chamber, and reverse pump in cement/mud/golf balls to shut off the flow into our delicate eco-system. It’s heartbreaking to see dead sea birds covered in filthy lucre.
The US Coast Guard Commandant yesterday went on the record and stated that the US Unified Command was in charge. That every step that BP takes has prior approval of the US Unified Command.
So in other words, BP has Full Protection Already via the US Coast Guard. They are acting under orders of the US Coast Guard.
Isn’t there some way we can tie this to Golden Sacks? Would round out the story nicely.
yes. Emphatically yes. That oil remains in the environment, just in smaller chunks. Like burning coal, you’re not destroying the carbon, you’re only dispersing it.
Watching the US Coast Guard run interference for BP when a CBS news crew was nosing around earlier in the week was a sight to behold. I hope “60″ gets pissed off and does a piece about it. Last Sunday night’s two-parter was pretty good for network TeeVee…
You’re preaching to the choir clemenza. I’ve known from day 1 that BP was going to be allowed to pretty much do as they wished. The fact that they are calling the shots in sovereign US waters in defiance of national and international law is all one needs to know. They even have the Coast Guard keeping people away for them.
As captured as i know Obama is, it’s still strange to watch him nailing himself to a cross of oil.
Heck of a job, Barry!
I absolutrely believe Obama and the EPA most definitely are working to limit their liability more than they’re wokring on anything else.
Their behavior has been so blatantly obvious in allowing BP to obfuscate all information to avoid as much in legal settlements as possible.
Without documented information, it will be much easier for their lawyers to muddy the waters. There’s no other rational expalnation.
Even yesterday the Coast Guard was claiming 5000 barrels a day, even after BP admitted to more. What a sham. Even Al Capone wasn’t this sloppy.
In fact, chemical dispersants in my mind only make it less visible but much harder, if not impossible to clean up. Here’s an analogy: Take a phone book and throw it on your lawn. Now go pick it up. Throw it back on your lawn and run over it with a lawn mower. Now go pick it up. Which would you rather do? Even if the make it invisible to us, I’ll bet the marine life can find it or it will find them.
Thanks for reminding me
http://www.nalco.com/aboutnalco/history.htm
Nalco manufactures Corexit
http://www.nalco.com/applications/corexit-technology.htm
Why not? They’ve already demonstrated how adept they are at polluting water.
Thank you. I just knew they had to be in there somewhere.
THE HILL Saturday
Feds decide against charges for AIG exec
By Ian Swanson – 05/22/10 12:27 PM ET
Federal prosecutors have decided not to bring charges against an AIG executive at the center of the financial storm.
Department of Justice prosecutors have been looking into charges against Joseph Cassano, the insurer’s former chief executive of the Financial Products unit.
But according to several published reports on Saturday, authorities will not go forward with a case.
The Financial Products unit run by Cassano handled credit-default swaps that led to the company’s bailout by the federal government. The bailout totaled $180 billion, and much of that money is not expected to be repaid.
Cassano led the unit of AIG that insured hundreds of billions in securities backed by other financial institutions. When the mortgage crisis erupted and those mortgage-backed securities went bust, AIG didn’t have the funds to pay off the claims from those who held credit-default swaps with AIG.
It’s unclear why Justice decided against going forward with a case, which would have centered on whether Cassano and others misled investors on AIG’s financial position.
In a quotation provided to The New York Times and other media outlets, Cassano attorney F. Joseph Warin said the system had worked and that no charges were justified.
sham-man
Oh wasn’t Prez ORahma out there STRONGLY stating how he was gonna make BP PAY for this here oil gushing volcano disaster. Why, yessir, that’s jes what Rahmbama was going to do: make BP pay and pay…
Ooopsie, what’s that ya say, BP?? You don’t want to follow what the EPA directs you to do? Why sure, BP. You jes do whatever it is you FEEL like. That’s just fine with Mr. President. Yes it is. ummm hmmm.
Change… As Brian Wilson once opined: “Wouldn’t it be Nice?” Yes, Brian, change would surely be “nice.” Too bad we don’t done got us any with this here useless, corporate shill POTUS. Guess Mr. Rahmbama thinks his daughters done gots enough $$$ that they can just somehow, I dunno, go somewhere that the environment will be “clean” somehow. Don’t get that one, but well, what does a DFH like me know, anyway???
We have a slimeball, scumbag company that is telling us, the American public, to STFU, telling the EPA STFU, and the great (pun intended) Prez ObamaRahm and his admin let’s out a long yawn and sits on their arses… Oh!…but let’s have a ‘special commission’ take a look at it while the Gulf of Mexico continues on it’s path to eminent death, and the oil plumes enlarge exponentially, endangering the whole ecosystem of the world’s oceans. Almost everything going on these days is a major clusterF__K, to the American public, the Nation, and the planet. If this does not stir some type of revolt within our hearts and minds, then we are indeed dead already. I wrote the following in a comment a few days ago and I believe it still is valid:
Here at FDL, the sense of outrage and disgust is clearly palatable. Impassioned and rational thoughts as well as emotional angst has been expressed since day one with this cataclysmic disaster. But how can we widen the sense of urgency and wake up what seems to be a nation of dumbed down and somnambulant citizens that should realize this is a somber warning for what lies ahead for the species. Where is the mass anger? Where is the call for identifiable and meaningful action? This is our future sisters and brothers, being trashed and polluted by the Corporate devils and their handmaiden ObamRahm and his evil minions. How do we stop them? They have the money, the guns, the US Gestapo, and just about everything else except our souls…and I believe they are working on that as well.
I have a 2 year old grandson that I am trying to envision his future…I only come up with horror and sadness thinking what this innocent little one is going to endure because of our collective actions or lack thereof in protecting our Mother Earth and it’s children.
Any suggestions that cut right to the bone on where we go from here? There has to be more than the aching feeling of powerlessness. Where can we rise up as a great massive entity and shake everything to it’s very core?
I simply cannot answer that even in the deepest depths of my heart. These are surely sad, sad times!
Exactly. That’s what is so egregious here.
This is all about one giant cover up.
Obama’s assisting BP in their legal challenges.
Obama is a f__king traitor.
Cassano attorney F. Joseph Warin said the system had worked and that no charges were justified.
In other words, we’re greasing and/or blackmailing the right people.
Fuckers.
No more looking bacwards, y’all. We’re just into looking forwards, doncha know?
Mr. Rahmbama done got his. Eff you, serf. STFU.
i can not listen or watch this CATASTROPHE unfold,i who rescue precious animals….my psyche is fragile,when i think of all the mating,birthing,life cycles destroyed..it is beyond belief
Pffft! Not to me! As long as that checking account still has money in it, I’d say he’s safe.
The problem with crucifying yourself is that you can never drive in the last nail. Besides, right now we need nailers, not hangers. Obama needs to decide what side of the cross he wants to be on.
Well, well, well.
Goldman Sachs again. The anti Chirst.
Not surprised one bit.
Obama’s motivation for EVERYTHING he’s done has been to benefit Goldman Sachs.
Agree. WHERE is the overarching anger from the populace???
I do know for sure that the Tea Partiers have been distracted (per usual) by the likes of Glenn Beck to the tune of: Obama orchestrated the disaster by hiring someone to blow up the rig.
Well, ok, even IF that’s true (I don’t believe it; the corporations are JUST that inept and dergulated that this shit happens), NOW WHAT?? Sitting on your @$$ whining about BHO is about as far as that crowd gets.
Not to say that the so-called “left” has done that much, either, although there have been some protests.
So, how do we AWAKEN a sleeping and complacent populace to DO something? Anything? I’m out of answers, but I’m open to suggestions.
F*cking bingo!
i for one think he decided
NOW BRING ON ,the next state dinner
wow look at Michele’s new dress
Oh, and I want BP to also pay us our royalties for this oil, and not based on their lame-assed estimates.
sez it all
SEND THIS EVERYWHERE
write to Keith and Rachel
Dylan Ratigan too
Indeed. In the pocket of Goldman Sachs he truly is.
Thanks for connecting the dots. Someone last night on msnbc made the comment that Goldman Sachs had to be “happy” that BP had taken away the heat from GS, and that now BP had the “lead” as the “most hated” corporation in the USA.
Well, we certainly have plenty to choose from (and I’m also looking at you Blankenshit), but connecting the dots to Goldman Sachs in this disaster is no big leap or surprise to me. More info on this needs to get out.
Thanks! (sadly)
I don’t know what it will take to wake the apathetic up. I was hoping this catastrophe would do it but it’s looking increasingly unlikely. I’m starting to think that the next prayer breakfast could serve up puppies and the people would just shrug.
I read where hair is good for soaking up oil. How about we dip some Golden Sack teabags into the Gulf? I volunteer to rinse them off if I can use a fire hose.
I volunteer Rick Perry’s hair but only if it’s still attached to his head.
I hear he’s not using it.
Nope. We can take that as an axiom.
THE HILL
Bill Clinton to campaign for Sen. Lincoln
By Emily Goodin – 05/20/10 12:13 PM ET
Former President Bill Clinton will campaign with Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) on May 28th.
The Lincoln campaign announced Clinton will join the senator in the Little Rock area to help launch her “Countdown to Victory” tour.
Lincoln faces Lt. Gov. Bill Halter (D) in a June 8th runoff after neither candidate reached more than 50 percent of the vote in the May 18th primary.
Unions have backed Halter over Lincoln, but the former president remains popular in his home state.
Lincoln finished ahead of Halter by fewer than 5,500 votes on Tuesday.
A Research 2000 poll taken overnight Tuesday put Halter ahead by 2 points in the runoff.
Yes, I agree. Some people said that the Tea Party would follow Sarah Palin to the *gates* of Hell and still worship her. I say (from personal experience) that the Tea Partiers will follow Sarah to the 9th Circle of Hell – and beyond – and still be singing her praises.
Perhaps it will only take a Hollywood style of Apocalypse to jizz the serfs into waking up, but even then… sigh… unsure. I certainly haven’t heard much outcry from those with beachfront property in the Gulf States (other than Eelhead Carville today… and seems to me, it took him long enough to do that!).
dunno…
Hey – how ’bout some of Rand’s Jeri Curls, aka pubic hair, that you all were yucking it up about last night??? My only concern is that it already looks so well oiled already that it might not be able to soak up any more… ;-)
Unsurprised. Maybe someone should show up with blue dress with a suspicious stain on it….
Corporate hack shilling for another corporate hack… old boyz ‘n grrlz networking at its finest. ugh
Hmmm….Do you think pubic hair works just as good as regular hair?
That’s it! Take a blue dress and put an oil stain on it. Genius!
There ya go! That’s using ye olde noggin! Not sure about the oil absorption rate of pubic hair or the hair on Rand’s larger head…
I think I’ll go watch a movie. I just got the DVD of that hippie, tree huggin’ movie Avatar. Might be a good one to re-screen at this time. Later pups!
Welcome is the American Fascism’s Stalingrad moment.
The moment the greed and shameless consumption and corruption to the core get displayed to the world in manner that nobody can mistake the message to take from it.
The other two names there are interesting, too, if usually quieter than GS.
BP had one supplier/manufacturer of Corexit 9500, and they bought up the entire supply recently (within a month or so, I THINK after the first day of the spill).
So BP’s STUCK with the supply.
The Oil Drum has info on this, and another much less harmful and much more effective product, that’s available. Not the one mentioned by SC in her post . . .
Bottom line, BP bought it all up, and there’s NO WAY they are gonna sit on that inventory forever and lose the money they spent (despite it likely being a fraction of a percent of their monthly profits).
How many FU’s (Freidman Units) is that?
bravo!
Yep, that’s it, all the way. BP bought all the product that was on hand.
1 Friedman Unit = six months.
peeps in arkansas…
go to goodwill …buy blue dresses
http://appareltherapy.net/at/files/photos/blue_dress.jpg
me likey
go away Bill
“Damn glad to meetcha!”
*G*
Oh ho… unsurprised. Foist their crap onto us, whilst the POTUS whistles and looks the other way. Figures. Thanks for the info.
Incidental detail but I think Valdez was Corexit 9000 or 9100, REALLY toxic. The present 9500 is less toxic, but still the worst option on the open market for dispersants.
America’s Fascist system just shit on itself publicly. As it usually works in situations like this, instead of privately retiring to a restroom to clean themselves up, they are instead rubbing the shit all over themselves in public.
Great plan!! Go for it. Would love to see photos and videos, if available. Show up wherever they go! At least get some fun out of life; not much available these days.
sadly i dont live in Arkansas…BUT if they had BILLIONAIRES FOR BLANCHE!
another good idea, as well.
Hope the good folks of AK can do something. Please do NOT believe the Big Dawg, folks.
Related to the Gulf, but not to this story:
So the exportation of jobs and the importation of cheap, sometimes toxic food is a fascist-state benefit of the BP gusher.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127054190
Scott Simon is a toady for BP.
Yea, they’re all shady
Apollo funds is in the center of the Calpers corruption scandal
And in a minute I’ll remember what dark deal Blackstone is known for and what dark recess they lurk in
Shades of the Great One, William Jennings Bryan.
Deep Capture, Cassano
Deep Capture is one phreaking LONG read, but it is THE most comprehensive look back at Wall Street and all the entangling alliances involved in banking/financing/trading . . . which include names everyone knows, the mafia, our elected officials, and Financial News People.
In my mind, Deep Capture is THE definitive source for how our financial ruin started, was implemented, and continues.
Matt Taibbi is the next most important source on these issues. Deep Capture acknowledges and praises Taibbi’s work over the decade(s).
Ahh, I thought the period of time varied from FU to FU depending on the scale of the bullshit being flung.
;-)
Sorry for no linky, but google will provide, no doubt . . . believe I got it from The Oil Drum dot com . . .
Go to Deep Capture and search, they are there, I believe . . .
Another great catch Scarecrow, and just continued outstanding comments by Pup Regulars.
All y’all are my heroes . . . *bows*
Thanks
I am glad to see the story being covered and questions asked by not only CNN and other cable TV media. I don’t follow broadcast TV but anecdotally it seems minimal.
New York Times seems to be doing some good investigative as well as news reporting.
All of that will help but where are the demonstrations and the environmental organizations? Many have been labeled as terrorists and the others forewarned are compliant with the government.
Good article on the myth of liberal influence by David Sirota
Of all the things the OilBama administration has done or not done, the reaction to this catastrophe is the worst. This is the one that makes my head explode. My god, wake up big O, this is not going away.
It is difficult to discover all the criminality of the Blackstone group. Peter Peterson CEO is trying to loot Social Security, of course. But Blackstone is partners with Henry Kissinger, AIG, Paul Bremer and CFR. Peterson wants to cut the budget except for wars and corporate subsidies. He wants a Corporation for Public Diplomacy to catapult the propaganda.
He also profited from the murder of 3000 people at the World Trade Center. Holding the mortgage, Peterson made hundreds of millions of dollars from the 9-11 attacks. He kept his profits while anyone who criticizes the 9-11 Commission is accused of exploiting it.
I share your bewildered rage. But to answer the question where is the mass outrage: most don’t see how this disaster affects them directly. Turn off cable TV nationwide and there will be uprisings. Images of brown water somewhere far away, and people can’t take the next three steps and put it all together: oil plus rapacious corporation plus inept government in bed with big oil equals death of the gulf plus time equals death of the planet. It’s a short term gratification society with permanent ADD. People may love their grandkids but they are incapable of putting the pieces together to see how their grandkids’ lives are doomed. Because, you know, there’s Dancing With The Stars. We’ve collectively sewn the seeds of our destruction. I even hate typing this because I feel like an impotent whiner who is not part of the solution at all. But if someone wiser than I can come up with what that solution might BE, please share it.
Compelling video of a flyover May 21
Sorry the post won’t take the link. Have to copy and paste http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKTtezc7-js&feature=player_embedded
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Derek Bok’s The Politics of Happiness: What Government Can Learn from the New Research on Well-Being hosted by Sara Robinson
Hey Hey it took the link. The flyover was May 17 the video uploaded on the 20th
I’ve been been banging my little drum and trying to stir up interest in some direct action Since Florida 2000. Little to no response.
Excellent thread, Scarecrow!
Staying on top of the Obama/BP bullshit is the more important part of the “cleanup”, at this point. In fact, if we DON’T stay on top of it, there likely won’t BE a cleanup.
Bilbo; I think not the cheapest. I have read that some of the boardmembers of Noralco, the company which makes Corexit, also sit on the boards of BP and Exxon-Mobile, and that the Noralco stock went up 18% in one day, after it was announced that BP would be using two types of Corexit.
And again, both substances have been banned in the UK…which makes the fact that British Petroleum has ejaculated at least 600,000 gallons of it into the GOM, one hell of a piece of black humor.
This is probably posted elsewhere, but just in case:
May 17th
Think Progress » BP chose more toxic, less effective oil dispersant manufactured by company with ‘cl
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/17/bp-dispersant-toxic/
- Of 18 dispersants whose use EPA has approved, 12 were found to be more effective than Corexit, (made by) a company that was once part of Exxon Mobil Corp. and whose current leadership includes executives at both BP and Exxon…
Margaret:
“I actually celebrated my birthday in Friedman units the other day.”
Margaret, you are now responsible for a SERIOUS caffein-cleanup on my keyboard.
:o) :o) :o)
Difficult, too, since the oil keeps moving.
Dear guys, if we are not AT the point, we are very close to the point, where the people who supported Barack Obama, and whom, like myself, were delighted and so hopeful about his and the democrats big win, are going to have to eat some keen disappointment, and start our own salvage operation, since it’s obvious that Preznint Centrist is going to do precious little to reverse the effects of 8 years of BushCo, but in fact, is continuing and in some cases, ratcheting up, the lunacy.
In fairness, change ONE thing, and make this the Bush admininstration behaving as Obama is behaving, and we would be frothing at the mouth in our anger….and we would be perfectly right.
The deliberate covering of Obama’s ass, not just in this, but in other things such as surging in Afghanistan, and lately, sending up test balloons about his not making the 18 month date for getting a big chunk or our troops out of Iraq, on the part of some “progressives”, is getting to be nauseatingly dishonest.
Sarah Palin is not in the white house. Neither is Rush Limbaugh, nor, Glenn Beck. They can make no Oval Office decisions and no political appointments.
Rand Paul just won a republican primary in a traditional red state, but aside from saying that we should get out of the two clusterfucks, his policies and ideas are guaranteed to be so repugnant to a majority of american voters, that I will dance naked if the asshats of his ilk get to write the GOP platform in 2012. In fact, if you’re STILL a blinders-on Obama supporter, you should wish for the same thing, since the further to the right the GOP moves, the more that Obama, with his feckless “centrist” crap, can lay some claim to being a moderately progressive president.
I’m sorry, deeply sorry, to say this, but the politician who is the most dangerous to a real progressive agenda, is the one I helped put into the white house about 16 months ago. One more time; all I can say in my defense, is that it won’t happen again.
Sharkbabe: “…it’s still strange to watch him nailing himself to a cross of oil…”
Spot on, Mason. It’s a great line. And it’s fraught with truth and irony. I mean, with the minimum of self-interest, when this happened, he should have thought:
“Holy shit! And I just signed off on MORE coastal drilling??? WTF was I thinking. Politically speaking, I’m going to get my butt reamed like it was a…Gulf of Mexico oil well. RAHM! Get your Machiavellian ass in here and help me figure out how to keep this from making Katrina look like an ass-smooch for George Bush. If we have to call the Iranians and the North Koreans, we have to get this thing corked.”
And that, as Sharkbabe notes, is really wierd…and scary, about his reaction to this catastrophe.
Wouldn’t you think our government would be embarrassed to be publicly defied by a corporation? The government seems to be full of people who think our prestige in the world is based on our appearance of overwhelming power–how does that square with being told to sit down and be quiet by a corporation that’s just created the greatest man-made environmental disaster in history?
Shorter BP, to the EPA:
“Lissen, assholes, we’re talking corporate profits here, plus, the all-important attempt to hide as much of the crud(e) as we can, a few hundred feet down in the GOM. You think we’re gonna let you mess with that? As they say in Merrie England: fuck off!”
I don’t understand this “break up the oil” concept. How is mixing this shit with sea water going to solve anything? If you can’t see the oil then it’s not a problem? Wouldn’t it seem more logical to use a coagulant to bind the oil into a coherent mass, to isolate it from water and enable to be collected and extracted?
They are not going to rest until they have destroyed the entire Gulf ecosystem. Once it’s all dead, there is nothing to save, so they can drill away. This is somewhat snark, but danged if it doesn’t look that way at times. This is going to affect the Gulf for multiple decades if not centuries.
You know Cassano at AIG was just given a pass by the court. They just dropped the case against him. This had to be ordered by Treasury and Obama fearing it would implicate Geitner, Bernanke, Paulson, and Goldman Sachs.
If the company that blew up the world’s economy gets off scot free, you can be damned sure that in the end, BP will walk and we’ll be picking up the tab. Just like we bailed out AIG. Same shit, different day.
Sickening.
Isn’t it, sod off?
Obama’s got no problem with the extrajudicial killing of anyone in the world. Even us if he wanted.
But, a corporation? Hell no, he can’t interfere and impose any rules on a corporation. That might interfere with their crimes.
Clem: I think it depends on whether you were educated at Eton or Harrow, or in some Liverpool neighborhood school. :o)
Nolan: “If you can’t see the oil, then it’s not a problem?”
Bingo! Give that man an oil-saturated pelican.
Since it started, I will guarantee you that BP’s primary consideration has been, along with stopping or CAPTURING the flow, to prevent as many clips and still photos of dead and dying wildlife, and the attendant befoulled coasts and wetlands and marshes, from appearing on the evening news, as possible.
I would like to be getting royalties on the phrase “Out of sight; out of mind”. It’s being used with ever-increasing frequency by environmentalists, as well as by coastal biologists and oceanographers. BP’s buying up a third of the world’s dispersants in the first days of the disaster (by now, it’s certainly a bigger percentage…) did not come only from their desire to protect the coast and the wildlife; if you were a fly on the wall of their honcho’s meeting, I would bet the ranch that you would have heard something like: “We HAVE to control the media coverage and keep the tear-jerker shots to a minimum, and the best way to do that is to keep pumping out the Corexit, which, conveniently enough, we have a vested interest in expending.”
I would also expect that they had a plan in place which relied on the CG and NOAA to help with the low-balling of the amounts gushing into the gulf. I mean, when Rear Admiral Landry, three days after the explosion, was saying: “No oil is escaping from the wellhead…”, the information for that could only have come from BP. It was, of course, arrant horseshit. And there’s been plenty more of it, along with NOAA/the Obama administration telling The National Institute of Underwater Science and Technology to STFU about the big underwater oil plumes they found.
In spite of all this, I’m heartened at the “no more bullshit!” attitude that is spreading at least as fast as the oil. I promise you, the people responsible for this, from Obama and BP on down, are shitting green nickels about what’s building toward them. It’s like one hell of an early Cape Verde class 5 wallbanger, tracking right up Pennsylvania Avenue.
:o)
We should try to make this go viral. Maybe public embarrassment will cause him to take more action than commissioning a report due out in six months.
it’s a method to hide the body, not clean up the mess.
I agree with all you say.
Keeping the images off the radar is key. That is a big reason why so many people aren’t aware of the magnitude. Nothing like a picture of hundreds of oil coated dead animals floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach to get people worked up.
I also think that’s a big reason Obama keeps saying that BP is “in charge” of the “clean up.” His hiding his complicity in keeping the press away so his plan for more drilling isn’t thwarted.
Clem, agree bakatcha. :o)
But don’t you think that at this point, Obama’s trying to keep his hands clean is backfiring on him?
I think the numbers of people, especially those people who live on the Gulf, who are increasingly pissed at the let-BP-straighten-it-out “solution” from Obama, are approaching critical mass, in a political sense.
This whole thing is getting to be one more giant piece of evidence that Obama only does the right thing (minimally) when, excuse my…uhhh…being crude… it’s being shoved up his ass. Of course, he hasn’t YET done that, but as the shitstorm breaking on his head gets bigger and bigger, I’m betting that he will find his innner environmentalist self. :o)
The only thing that will get Obama off of his backside is a poll. Individual outrage on this site is fine but will not change the direction of the country. When the Dem’s look at the numbers and find that 50+% of registered Dem’s (plus 75% of independents, 99% of Republicans) do not approve of Obama’s handling of the crisis, Obama will get off of his ass. My challenge is to FDL and DailyKos, do a poll that will make the Democratic establishment shit.
Has Anyone thought of the terrorist implications to this???? If a terrorist group could find a deep water BOP without an acoustical shut off, how easy would it be to disable the surface shut off’s and break the oil extraction line? If it is easy, then Obama needs to quickly change any and all security procedures for these types of rigs AND fast.
From http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2010/05/goldman-sachs-oil-volcano.html
Media ignores Goldman Sachs’ ties to Corexit dispersant
In a recent New York Times’ article “Less Toxic Dispersants Lose Out in BP Oil Spill Cleanup”, journalist Paula Quinlan questions why BP is using the 100 % toxic, 54 percent effective dispersant Corexit to clean up the oil when twelve other dispersants proved more effective in EPA testing.
BP spokesman Jon Pack defended the use of Corexit, which he said was decided in consultation with EPA. He called Corexit “pretty effective” and said the product had been “rigorously tested.”
“I’m not sure about the others,” Pack said. “This has been used by a number of major companies as an effective, low-toxicity dispersant.”
BP is not considering or testing other dispersants because the company’s attention is focused on plugging the leak and otherwise containing the spill, Pack said. “That has to be our primary focus right now,” he said.
Nalco spokesman Charlie Pajor said the decision on what to use was out of his company’s hands. He also declined to comment on EPA comparison tests, saying only that lab conditions cannot necessarily replicate those in the field. “The decision about what’s used is made by others — not by us,” he said.
Quinlan only looks at part of the picture. She associates BP’s investment in Nalco and oil industry representation on the board as the main reasons that Corexit was used instead of Dispirsit, which EPA testing shows to be twice as effective and a third less toxic. Yes, BP is hedging its losses with the profit it will make with its investment in Nalco, but who else benefits?
Follow the money…and the money goes to Goldman Sachs and friends. Instead, Quinlan (or her editor) goes after Exxon.
They’re attempting to sink it to the floor of the Gulf. Then let microbes eat it, breaking it down to remove part of the toxicity. There are manifest problems with this approach considering the volume of Oil they’re dealing with, possibly 30-40 million gallons by now.
Expressions of outrage are limited in this country in various disgusting ways. Go look at the shit magazines that fill the supermarkets and crappy propaganda book stores like barnes and nobles and borders. They are for the most part all owned by a few shitty mega media companies. You could literally drop 100 atomic bombs around the world and all the shit fitness and homes and celebrity bullshit magazines would never even mention it. How different it would be if they were independently owned. What about our downtowns? Well, we don’t really have any. We have bullshit malls that are all owned by evil disgusting corporations. Do you think that they are ever going to express outrage about anything. If we had real Main Streets with real independently owned businesses, then you could imagine that there would be more expression of outrage. When you give the corporations control of everything, there will be NO outrage expressed. Not really good for the bottom line. Closer to home. I was on here the other night expressing outrage about this spill. And I dared to use a flurry of caps in one post–something I almost never do. Then I had the AM moderator stepping in and telling me to not use caps. And in a completely purile and repugnant way, the mod continued to play tit for tat about caps while the Gulf gets destroyed. Disgusting and antidemocratic behavior by “so called” progressives. Perhaps it is time for FDL to limit posts about topics other than the GULF OF MEXICO SUPER DISASTER until this thing is stopped. How about that??? How about that??? That would be a first step that could be taken HERE. And THEN we have to hold Houston (oil companies), New York (media companies and banksters), and Washington (government) responsible criminally and civilly. So many assholes want to bullshit everyone about terrorism and security. THIS, MY FRIENDS, IS THE GREATEST TERRORIST EVENT AND NATIONAL SECURITY EMERGENCY WE HAVE EVER KNOWN.
I realize it’s sort of a hippie/surfer sort of romantic noodling, but I still think of the ocean as the amniotic fluid for life on Earth. If we kill the ocean, and this current maritime Chernobyl is a good start, then we are killing ourselves.
It would have been nice if CBS did some reporting about the risks of offshore drilling BEFORE this mega disaster. Of course, that would require hiring some real knowledgeable reporters. But when you are paying complete ciphers like Lauer and Couric millions to bullshit everybody, you don’t really have money for real reporting.
I thought Lauer and Couric were among the best of a sorry lot.
In fact, Couric undeniably ripped Palin a new one, in her interview with her. It would be hard to do a better job of exposing what a superficial dingbat is Palin, than Couric did.
It is estimated that 50-85% of the Oxygen in our Atmosphere is produced by the plants in the ocean, the majority being Phytoplankton.
I don’t need Katie Couric to tell me what to think about Sarah Palin and I pity anybody who does. They are professional liars. They are over paid, when they should not be paid at all. They are doing a great job keeping America fucking stupid. The job of those total bullshitters is to bullshit the American people on a daily basis to make them think that everything is OK. Project a sense of normality no matter how FUCKED the USA is becoming. That is their job.
Nolan, I don’t think that’s romantic noodling at all. I think you’re as right as a snake. The magic of this little green pearl we live on is at the core of us. If we keep shitting on it, the “pollution” will befoul our souls. In fact, it already has.
“I pity anybody that does.”
Then you pity a lot of people, because Palin was getting a hell of a free ride in the MSM, and there were a lot of people who were not sure about her. Couric’s takedown helped close the deal; that the idea of this cipher being a 71-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency, was an out-and-out danger. It was the beginning of the end of the MSM’s pitching of her as a charming maverick, and we needed it done.
Couric’s crimes against America far outweigh whatever good she has done. She pollutes our airwaves the way BP pollutes our oceans. Keep America stupid. That’s what they want. Huntington laid it out the plan and CBS does their part. Informed democrats get in the way of “experts” you know.
“At high concentrations, what we learned in Exxon Valdez from carcasses of harbor seals and sea otters, it actually fried the brain, (and there were) brain lesions.”
Has anyone heard when the CEO of BP is going to officially move into the WH. They’ll keep BHO around because good help is hard to find.
this scenario reminds me of a science fiction story i read once about a despoiled planet. parts of the planet were inhabitable due to direct exploitation and abuse.
that was a sci fi story i read, now it is a fact. stranger than fiction now.
See post 145. :o)
We are approaching crunch time on this disaster. It’s on the verge of being so politically damaging to Obama and the dems that no amount of “cleanup” will help them in November. Same thing with Big Oil; if they stopped the gusher tomorrow, from now on, it aint gonna be bidness as usual. Every contribution they make to a Senator or Congressman is going to look like a tarball sticking to them. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of corporate toadies.
There is that upside, at least.
I bet it is to cover up their money laundering of the drug war.
Prohibition: UN Drug Chief Says Black Market Drug Profits Propped Up Global Banking System Last Year
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/570/costa_UNODC_drug_trade_banks
So do we call it treason, terrorism or espionage? I think, judging by their actions that they are the terrorists, so thank you for mentioning them by name.
Obama’s response?
A corporation making an unreasonable demand?
…Must…resist….bowing….
Will the mutagens in the dispersant give me x ray vision?