If you want to see what half of a Great Depression (a.k.a. a "Great Recession") looks like, take a look at this graph of the extent and duration of unemployment for each of the last six recessions. It’s a chart compiled and kept up to date by Catherine Rampell, the New York Times Economix blog editor.
The chart shows each recession, with the zero point being the peak level of employment at the recession’s start and then showing the changes and duration in unemployment until unemployment returns to the starting level, whatever that was. We have a long way to go, and it could take years.
As Paul Krugman says of this lastest update, We’re Number One!, or "this is the big one." The depth and duration of this Great Recession’s unemployment scourge is far worse than anything in decades.

A couple other points. First, we can call this a "half depression," because the picture above could easily have been twice as bad if the Federal Reserve, Treasury and Congress under both Administrations had not thrown everything including the kitchen sink to stop a full on depression. That’s the conclusion of a just released but as yet little discussed study (e.g., see DeLong on Leonhart) by economists Alan Binder and Mark Zandi.
Binder/Zandi developed a model to estimate how much GDP would have shrunk and unemployment increased if the federal government had taken none of the monetary and fiscal actions of the last two years. From the initial Times story:
In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration’s fiscal stimulus program, the nation’s gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.[*]
In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation. . . .
Mr. Blinder and Mr. Zandi emphasize the sheer size of the fallout from the financial crisis. They estimate the total direct cost of the recession at $1.6 trillion, and the total budgetary cost, after adding in nearly $750 billion in lost revenue from the weaker economy, at $2.35 trillion, or about 16 percent of G.D.P.
As many have noted before, a huge chunk of today’s deficits were caused by the near-depression baked into the cake by 2008. Since this year’s GDP growth is now expected to be about 2.5 to 3.0 percent, the Binder/Zandi study suggests that without massive federal intervention, GDP would have shrunk by about 3-4 percent, instead of growing slowly. Worse, instead of 15 million unemployed, we’d have over 23 million without work. So Binder/Zandi provide support for the Obama Administration’s (and many other economists’) argument that their actions (and the Fed/Treasury bailouts before Obama took office) have at least prevented a depression.
The economists examined the Federal Reserve’s actions, which were about double the size of the ARRA stimulus bill and provided trillions in loans, loan guarantees and asset purchases. These actions thus likely had a greater effect on turning the economy around than the ARRA/stimulus bill alone, though they argue the combined efforts likely reinforced each other. This finding should increase pressure on Bernanke’s Fed to do even more on monetary easing to ensure the economy does not slide back into a recession or worse and to tackle unemployment more aggressively.
A second point from Rampell’s chart is how it helps assign responsibility for the depression/unemployment catastrophe. The worst unemployment level was reached about six months ago, in January/February of 2010, but for a year before that, unemployment had been in free fall. Obama’s ARRA/stimulus didn’t pass until early 2009, and most of it took 6-12 months to kick in.
What the chart tells us is that gross mismanagement by the previous Administration, their financial regulators and regulatory philosophy created conditions for a genuine depression. That depression was only narrowly avoided, so far, by massive interventions by the federal government.
Even then, the Bush Administration’s economic team passed a Great Recession-near-Depression onto the Obama Administration, which has been struggling ever since to turn the economy around.
But this is not just George Bush’s legacy; it’s the legacy of an entire economic philosophy and regulatory attitude, supported as holy doctrine by the entire Republican Party and all too many Democrats. Most still haven’t taken responsibility for this huge failure; instead, they would/could, if allowed to rule again, easily drag us back into a Depression. Voters take note.
Finally, the chart makes clear that the federal government is not even close to doing all it needs to do with stimulus spending and monetary support to reverse course and meaningfully hasten the reduction in unemployment. By any standard, those efforts remain less than half enough; it took a long time for Obama’s advisers to concede this (sort of), and there are growing indications the Federal Reserve recognizes this too. [Update: see Fed member's deflation warning hints at policy shift.]
The Obama Administration now has the responsibility to lead the way out of the catastrophe it obviously inherited from Bush’s economic team and a shared, failed philosophy. That members of that team or those who retain that philosophy still have jobs as economic advisers is both astonishing and dismaying.
And there should be no doubt that Republicans and conservaDems who obstruct (or undermine) direct jobs programs, more stimulus spending, state budget rescues to prevent even more layoffs and so on are still hurting the economy and 15 million unemployed by tying the government’s hands either for political gain or because of their misplaced deficit hysteria. Further obstruction of necessary spending to revive demand is not just foolish; it’s unpatriotic, economically unsound, and morally unconscionable.
Come November, voters should endeavor to remove from office every one of these obstructionists and hysterics, Republican and Democrat alike, before they do even more damage to the country and its future.
*Blinder/Zandi correction:
JULY 28, 2010 1 P.M. CORRECTION: This article now contains corrected figures for our estimate of 2010 GDP with and without the stimulus. As the article now reflects, GDP in 2010 would be about 11.5% lower without the government’s response, and the fiscal stimulus has raised GDP by about 3.4%.
Update: Dean Baker critiques the study’s assumed counterfactual:
While the analysis of the stimulus is pretty standard and very much in keeping with other estimates, this is not the case with the analysis of the financial sector policies. The problem with the study is the implicit counterfactual. It effectively assumes that if we did not do the TARP and related policies, that we would have done nothing even as the financial sector melted down.
Baker notes it’s unlikely the Government would have done nothing; instead, it could have implemented other financial/monetary strategies that could have produced preferable results.
More:
Brad DeLong, citing Krugman, ARRA: Underpowered from the start
Krugman/DeLong on the dangers of permanently high unemployment; also, How did we know the stimulus was too small?
NYT/Rampell, Bleak outlook for long-term unemployed; also, Job subsidies providing help to private side
NYT, Industries find surging profits in deeper cuts



39 Comments




I wish they all would be ousted, but it’s more likely the Reactionaries will win the house back and the Senate is already for all practical purposes their’s now anyway, so it will be game over. Obama has turned out to be a disaster for the Left so where do we go from here?
This is the theme we need to keep after: their bankrupt philosophy created bankrupt policies which resulted in a lot of – well, bankruptcies. Rec’d.
I read this morning (wish I could remember where) that many of the jobs lost will not be coming back to the US. General Motors is fast approaching the point where it will provide more jobs in China than it does in this country.
Krugman recently cited Larry Ball’s concept of hysteresis in unemployment which warns that weak responses to unemployment problems tend to engender permanently higher unemployment levels.
Given our politicians’ (of whichever stripe) slavish and misplaced faith in the power of the un- or lightly-regulated marketplace, I’m not optimistic that we’ll see much real improvement anytime soon.
If what’s going on NOW is bad wait’ll this happens…
must read ( although I have NO faith in petitions anymore)it’s still a good read:
Petition to Stop the Entitlement-Cutting “Catfood Commission”
It’s not “faith” it’s payola
I don’t know what makes a depression if this is not one
as far as everything I have seen, real wages have been down and depressed since reagan with a slight respite under clinton, real assets are downand depressed, savings are down and depressed, people work longer, produce more yet earn less
just what is a depression if we are not in one
don’t forget, the “great depression” is the top of the line, there are depressions below the “great” distinction and we are SURELY in one now
If things don’t change there will never be enough jobs especially if you see the world as one job market. Were we to invent stuff, we create jobs like the automobile replacing the horse and buggy. In the US our propensity for waging wars creates jobs which may be why it is so difficult to change course. Our need for jobs promotes the status quo which is why after the BP disaster in the Gulf, the people down there objected to the drilling moratorium because it eliminates so many jobs. We obviously need a different system.
Larry Ball didn’t originate the idea of hysteresis. It’s been around for a long time. In the modern literature the concept was revived in a 1986 article co-authored by, wait for it, Larry Summers.
CEPR, Dean Bakers outfit, recently did a study on job growth:
Now, compared to job growth in the 1990′s or even early 2000′s…. our present jobs growth rate stinks. So we’re not presently on a course for a job recovery by 2014 or even 2021. 99 weeks of unemployment insurance isn’t enough, heck, 99 months of unemployment insurance isn’t enough… it’s like putting a band aid on a severed limb.
Either Obama and the Democrats put an end to the deficit silly talk and get serious on jobs or they are dunzo.
But what does Glenn Beck have to say about this? Rush? Hannity? Mark Levin? Bill O’Reilly? The hosts of Fox and Friends? The Heritage Foundation? The AEI? CATO? Hoover Institute (yeah we should listen to them, they hired Rummy!)
I’m quite serious. Who drives the metaphors in today’s world? How do those metaphors get out to the world? These people.
Simple metaphors like, “The government budget is like your home budget, so when times are tough you cut back!” (If that metaphor was true I would be printing money on my inkjet and cutting back my A-bomb production.)
This report will be buried. What they should be doing is getting trained to go on the Hannity show and argue with him and point out all his misconceptions.
Great diary. Thanks.
No fan of O here by any wild stretch of imagination. Certainly not enough resources have been applied toward reversing the tired, misguided and dangerous capitalist free for all that caused the current Great Recession.
However,…I grudginly state that O is better able to handle this crises than any Republican.
The oligarchs have basically tossed the American worker and the middle class overboard. Now their problem is crowd control and they’ve been training those soldiers ( hired mercenariness) in Iraq and Afghanistan for 10 yrs. When the shit hits the fan here they’ll call on these “death squads” to kill us instead.
Like the old timer said ” there was never a headline back in the thirties that proclaimed there is a depression and it’s getting worse.
Like timing, in politics framing is every thing. When these jerks claim they want the good ole days, so do I when a great republican was in office, Eisenhower, the strong unions, protecting the workers, oh and the highest tax bracket was 91% yea I want to go back to those days. This would stop the dismantling of our country, PDQ. When they tell you Bill Gates worked his ass off, so did his workers and he couldn’t have amassed his fortune with out our great education system, high way system and electrical grid not to mention the legal system that protects his wealth.
Yea the 50s when banks either did commercial banking or investment ,or casino banking something the republicans destroyed when Glass-Steangle (?)
which prohibited co-mingling of our grandparents nest eggs from funds for gambling or as they say “investing” was thrown out. Watch the cowards response that Clinton signed the bill that passed with veto proof majorities
Next the insurance company had to possess assets to cover their risks or the expected payout over the life of the insurance and make a nice profit.
Now some clown , probably a republican , comes up with ” derivatives” insurance with out assets to back them up. Then it’s all profit all the time until the jig is up which is why the american taxpayer had to pull their chestnuts out of the fire with these bail out with out having to bail out of jail like in the fifties these bastards would have been shamed and jailed. Instead they shamed us and shafted us.
There is no reason not to work for and elect people that will not waste one more day, one more dime or one more life on these wars for the financial gluttony of the top 1% and they would pledge to introduce and work for a wealth tax, of say 30 %, of the top one percent to start.
Just thinking about the 50s I grew up with, where we were proud of our sense of community and watching out for each other and our country didn’t torture proudly.
Delay is not escape. We all knew that what the government and Fed were doing had an effect, and that’s things would have been worse if they had done nothing. But that has never been anything more than a government talking point. The real issue is and has always been that what money was deployed was poorly deployed. So the comparison is not between something and nothing but between what was done and what should have been done. I don’t know if I will get around to look at Zandi and Blinder’s work. I tend to be skeptical of both. They are both very Establishment and their work will reflect that.
I would also take exception to the idea that this is Bush’s Depression. Much like the wars and the embrace of everything else Bush, this has become Obama and the Democrats’ Depression as well. Call it a Bush-Obama Depression or a bipartisan one. (Finally, bipartisanship delivers something, right?) But the bottomline is that Obama has not been fixing things. The phrase we have been using to describe his efforts for an age now is “extend and pretend”. It is not going to be pretty when the pretending stops.
Inventors, etc sell their ideas to corporations rather than start their own business. They get paid lump sum and don’t have to worry about starting up their own business and possibly failing. New ideas are then given to contractors in China, India, Indonesia, wherever labour is cheapest at the time, to produce. The big problem, imo, is rebuilding our manufacturing base in an environment where small US firms cannot compete with the cheap labour out of the country.
It’s the fact that Binder and Zandi are both “establishment” that makes their report more potent for the media. Binder was vice chair at the Fed; Zandi was one of McCain’s advisers, and the media cites him often — to the annoyance of most Republicans.
I was careful not to say Bush caused a depression — he and like-minded of both parties created all the conditions for one — which is damning enough — and only massive intervention, often against the recommendations of the dominant political culture, has kept us out of one so far. That’s not to say it was structured well; only that it became necessary to do something that massive.
I agree the policy has been “extend and pretend.” The question is whether studies like this, “establishment” or otherwise, can create more space for better approaches. And failing that, at least create more support for emergency relief. I really don’t care about the models and their findings; my view is the Administration and Congress should demand a program to put 2-3 million more people to work within six months — or something like that — and never mind the competing theories/models. We have work to do that desparately needs to be done, and we have a work force skilled enough to do it, willing to work, and needing the work. Just do it.
It’s the “produce more” that keeps it from being a depression. Thin gruel.
Yup, I’ve had the same thought. The chickens will be coming home to roost.
Great comment tjbs!! I also pine for the Value of being an American meant and the Values that America stood for. Freedom for all, never perfect but always striving. Now in this climate of unlimited Corporate money We the People will be drowned out unless new laws/amendment can be passed to stop this gilded baron take over of everything and take away person hood of corporations.
Canada.
RE Bill Gates: so did his workers, especially his intellectual property lawyers.
My dad, oldnslow, told me about 7 years ago, that this country went wrong when we switched (under Reagan) from a manufacturing-based economy to a service-based economy. If you don’t produce something of tangible value, you’re fucked.
A 90% tax would mainly be spent here at home with the defense department getting their cut to squander overseas.
Ps. looks like you dodged an oily one, I hope.
Let’s talk about the “derivatives” thing. Because it isn’t specifically derivatives that are a problem. And it really isn’t hedging that is a problem either. It is derivatives that allow parties who have no skin in the game to hedge by slicing and dicing supposedly risk-neutral packages of assets (such as a collection of mortgages). And then those folks with no skin in the game can package their collection of hedges and pass them off as a derivative. Until no one knows exactly who has assumed the risk. And the result is that it doesn’t take much of a shock (like a downturn in California’s housing market) to set off a panic that brings everyone down because who actually is at risk and should take the hit isn’t discernible through all the complex paths of transactions.
A mutual fund is a derivative that gets its value from a collection of stocks, bonds, cash, and other assets. A 401(k), generally a special case of a mutual fund that has tax benefits and employer contributions, is a derivative.
Hedging can be used simply to offset changes in foreign exchange rates. A company sells a product or service to a company in another country for a set price in the currency of one of the two parties. Both countries likely take out a hedge that offsets a potential change in the exchange rates. The companies calculate how large a hedge to make based on their estimate of the likely adverse consequences of a change in foreign exchange rates and the likelihood of that change happening.
Once again, aside from the predatory lending in the original mortgages, the issue was allowing folks who were not involved in either end of the transaction to make hedge transactions on the transaction, so-called “naked hedges”.
I dunno, Krugman says it’s The Third Depression.
Nice depressing diary too!
Thank you, Scarecrow.
Excellent diary.
Excellent comments.
Most un-excellent depression.
DW
Another difference between a mutual fund and a derivative is the leverage, mutual funds are not levered. I think it’s a bit of a stretch to call a mutual fund a derivative in the way a credit default swap is.
Yes, which is why I used the words, “so far.” There is certainly enough stupidity and political opportunism to make Krugman correct.
Thanks for the education. It’s never a complete day unless you learn something.
Sometimes I’m a little loose with the wording.
I believe that those who determine the difference between a depression and a recession are looking for a deflationary spiral before they call the present economic downturn a depression.
Actually, Wall Street, Clinton, and the Democrats finished the job of taking this country to a finance economy away from a manufacturing economy. You do not create wealth in a finance economy, you produce real wealth with factories that build things. Wall Street, which is doing very well, skims money off the top (fees for trading stocks, bonds, mortgages, CD’s) of what remains in our economy while most people become servants to them. If you want to read an ACCURATE article explaining the mess we’re in, read “US Economy Is On Death Row” by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.
TarheelDem @ 24
Most of this is not correct.
You may hedge your exposure with a derivative if you have an interest in the underlying security of that same derivative. The underlying interest can be a floating interest rate, pork bellies, heating oil, a bushel of corn or a corporate bond or Collateral Debt Obligation (CDO), etc.
Packaging mortgages up and selling them off with the intent of distributing risk is “securitizing” those assets in the form of CDO.
When you buy derivatives that you do not have an interest in the underlying security, you are gambling, or you have inside information as to the future value of the underlying security of the derivative, or you are in a position to drive the value of the underlying security in favor of your derivative position.
Say I bought a Credit Default Swap (CDS) on Lehman, all I would have to do is start a rumor that Lehman was insolvent, its trading partners would go away and the resulting insolvency would pay me out 100% on the CDS less what the now-worthless bonds are trading.
Voila, I just made a fortune.
Absolutely correct. The one lesson the oligarchs learned from the First Great Depression, the union organizing that accompanied it, and the Vietnam anti-war movement was that they didn’t have enough troops. They needed a career, all-volunteer army (free of draftees whose allegiance laid with the people instead of the chain-of-command) to accomplish their future mission. They also needed an economy sufficiently short of enough jobs to induce enough young people into a military career.
Even the career military won’t do everything our MOTU want. On the other hand, the private mercenaries such as Black Water/XE…. I’m not sure what if anything they won’t do for money. And they are hiring internationally. Starts to remind one of the Hessian soldiers hired by King George.
Yeah, it’s like arson for profit. CDS’s are like insurance without the rules and regulations associated with insurance. They don’t even have the capital requirements associated with insurance(leverage limitations).
Even when one has interest in the underlying security, CDS’s cause dysfunction. Take the example of a company heading into bankruptcy. When a company cannot service it’s debt, the bond holders decide to either restructure the debt(probably taking a haircut) or to fold the company and sell off it’s assets(liquidation). Before CDS’s, all the bondholders tended to be on the same page in terms of which solution was more profitable. But now, each bondholder has a different amount of skin in the game due to the fact that some of them also hold CDS’s protecting against potential bond defaults. And these CDS holdings are secret so the bondholders have no idea as to the true exposure of other fellow bondholders. The end result is an increased tilt toward liquidation.
I’m not sure you’re right about small business. Development these days requires large laboratories and expensive equipment although there are enough guys working in garages coming up with something for some to claim they are the rule rather than the exception.
I think personal computers are an example of a job creating invention, although most of that has now been outsourced. Other things need to be invented or perfected-fuel cells, cold fusion, salt water desalinization but with our resources focused on war, we can’t do it.
This discussion is all NONSENSE. To say that the Federal Reserve saved us from a greater depression is simply a complete misunderstanding of how the system works and what the mechanisms of money creation are.
Ask yourself this simple question: Why does the U.S. have to borrow our own money? Who is creating the money it is borrowing? Why can a private bank create money and lend it to us at interest?
Every dollar in circulation is based upon CREDIT. Every one. It is created out of thin air and LOANED to the American People by the Federal Reserve. All of the actions of the Federal Reserve are the actions of a very privileged private bank, with private stockholders that make privates profits. It creates OUR MONEY, but cannot be audited.
All of the stimulus money the government has spent is BORROWED from the Federal Reserve. We pay the compounding interest on this money from tax receipts. And the very banker (the Federal Reserve) who creates this money out of NOTHING decides what the compound interest payment will be (the Fed Funds Rate)on this created credit.
Imagine if this money was created, interest free, by the Government for the good of the country and it’s people, instead of borrowed at interest from the Federal Reserve:
Deficit? What Deficit.
America does not control its own money. Lincoln, Jackson, Jefferson and a few other Presidents fully understood the insanity of a republic that does control its own money. Jackson was the only President that paid off the National Debt, by eliminating the private central bank and putting America in charge of printing our own interest free money.
For 95 years the Federal Reserved has operated in obscurity and secrecy creating boom and bust cycles by manipulating the money supply. This economic crisis was orchestrated by the Federal Reserve.
Repeating the Propaganda of Economists that support Federal Reserve actions simply ignores the underlying fundamental problem — The American People should not have to borrow money its own money that is created out of thin air.
Until we fully understand this, we will continue to be debt slaves to these private corporations and their money manipulations.
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Viewed the link. Wouldn’t just printing the money the fed govt needs bring inflation? I’m surprised the Fed Reserve’s machinations haven’t done this already. What’s the new broom party? I might be interested.
You’re right. Whether the Fed prints money or the U.S. prints money, inflation will occur if the money supply rises faster than economic activity to support it.
However, paradoxically, paying $700 Billion in interest (2009) on money created from nothing by the Federal Reserve creates inflation, because we must borrow more money to pay the debt — at compounding interest. This new borrowed money is created by the Federal Reserve — increasing the money supply — but only pays interest back to the Federal Reserve — which does nothing to increase economic activity.
Borrowing our own money simply robs the Treasury and American People through interest payments – and creates inflation.
newbroomparty.org if your interested