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Franklin Graham, son of the Reverend Billy Graham, gave us the scoop on how to evaluate Barack Obama’s claims of being a Christian.
According to Graham, having been born a Muslim, because he got that "seed" from his Dad, our President wisely renounced his seed and professed to be a Christian, a claim the Reverend Franklin graciously says he would accept, because, you know, who can really look into the heart of a Muslim?
I reserve the right, indeed feel an obligation, to criticize the Administration’s policies when they seem inept, inadequate and misguided. But the malicious intolerance and attacks on Muslims and the President’s religious beliefs that we’ve been seeing for months require another response.
The dumbing of America wrought by the right wing Christianists is making it the first duty of American citizens to firmly oppose their religious zealotry, ignorance, duplicity, idiocy and dangerously smug intolerance. These people are nuts, and should be called out for being nuts, and they’re hurting the country.
The best thing Graham said in his absurd statement is that Christians aren’t born — sorry about that for those of you who feel otherwise — they’re made by a conscious decision. That’s the most hopeful statement I’ve heard, because it means young people can choose to reject the Grahams of the world and make their own decisions. There’s a chance not everyone who must listen to Graham will grow to be like him. Pay attention to the seed[ling]s.
More:
Washington Post: Lawmakers and the Birther/Muslim falsehoods
But the media are not alone when it comes to promoting or insinuating falsehoods about the president’s religion and, by extension, his birthplace. We’ve collected a list of lawmakers whose comments have helped fuel the debate. Most either said outright that the president is a Muslim, that he is not a U.S. citizen or appeared to leave open the possibility that either falsehood could be true.
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crap, there goes my baptism
Franklin Graham inherited the seed of a religious extremist moron. He hasn’t chosen to renounce it.
I read the Graham statement earlier. IMO all religions spring from flawed premises, so not surprising when proponents spew nonsense. Embarrassing to dwell on the same planet as Franklin Graham and in a country that rewards such phenomenal stupidity.
Hey, he makes good money — his daddy didn’t raise no fool
And Franklin Graham is Satan’s seed!
There’s a raft floating around the afterlife containing all the dead Republican politicians and luminaries. They are looking up and thinking two things:
1) Did we act to make this horrific state of decline possible?
and
2) If Hell is the proper place for us, what lies ahead for this batch of denizens of the GOP?
Since the press loves dirt, do people like Graham think that something like this would not have been in every newspaper in the world in about 5 minutes – that and the idea that he’s not really a citizen. Geez.
Satan has the easiest job in creation–all he has to do is sit around and take the credit for what assholes are going to do anyway.
He is the rich, spoiled child of a theocratic, talibangelical, charlatan who is continuing the fine old family tradition of fleecing the rubes.
Fleecing flocks is a
nobleprofitable family tradition. Kind of like the lottery I suppose, a tax on teh stupid.Franklin Graham has the televangelist seed.
It leads to fanaticism and religious delusions that whatever the televangelist does is sanctioned by god. See Torquemada.
Televangelists raising their own children with the televangelist view of religion as a tool to profit off of the stupid should be considered child abuse.
If the governent stepped in and seperated Frankie from his father when he was a child he might have grown to become a decent human being and a productive member of society….not a racist ****wad.
To all of the televangelist ****wads that I might have offended, I am sorry that you felt the need to get offended, but you shouldn’t be so sensitive and uppity.
I reundenounce and redefudipudiate myself. XD
Dante’s Bolgia 5 (8th Circle)… and it ain’t just for Republicans anymore.
Yeah, I knew about that, Elliott.
There’s the church scene in the Graduate:
Mom: It’s too late?
Daughter: Not for me!
Apropos of this – the polls showing more people now believe Obama is Muslim than when he was elected – including, it seems quite a few democrats – the reason for this is clear.
I was irritated no end as the “news” hosts on tv and NPR pretended they were mystified that this should be so. Grateful to E.J. Dionne for coming the closest to pointing out that the reason for this increase is simple – Republican disinformation campaigns since Nov. 2008. He did call the false story-mongers like Gingrich some equivalent to crazy (forget the exact words he used).
Of course cowardly Dems haven’t exactly stood up to denounce the stupidity, either, ergo – the public, which was so exercised about his Christian minister during the campaign, now believes he’s Muslim.
There is a large contingent of folks working hard to turn us all into judgment-incapable morons. and it’s working all too well.
Personally, I would like to thank Franklin Graham for that wonderful example of authentic frontier gibberish. Obviously, the man is crackers, Graham, get it. . . I’ll wander off now.
CAW! CAW! Scarecrow I’m gonna git your corn!!!
Graham is stupid. It is that simple.
You’d think the tapes of Brother Billy agreeing with Nixon’s rants about Jews would have dimmed his lustre a bit. I’m certain it would in any sane universe. Obama stopped in to kiss his ass, er, ring at one point, IIRC.
Cute.
Franklin wants to be the American Taliban Pope.
I think this form of stupidity has been around in one form or another for some time. I wrote this article a couple of years ago for the Blog Against Theocracy. The basic premise is that if you’re not a Christian, your political prospects are seriously limited in America.
I may be wrong here, but this seems like an attitude Americans have had for a long time. That President Obama, or any other national politician, feels the need to “defend” himself from charges that he isn’t pious or Christian enough is sad, but this only seems un-American when contrasted with how our attitudes have changed about ethnicity and homosexuality. We should be getting better about religious bias, too, but we’re not.
Don’t want to step on anyones toes or feelings but I opine that we are not very different from the past hierarchies that were joined at the hip by their lying and corrupt and often degenerate political leaders and their precious pontificators of the holiest of holy BS. Graham and his dad are very similar to these moneychangers at the door who know just what is ‘right’ for all us hapless ‘sinners’ out here in amerika!
Don’t suffer the fools lightly! Remember King GeorgeB: ‘Well ya know, I can look into the eyes of a fella, and I can tell what he has in his soul’…
…that sure will win you some first class tickets on the Rapture ride Georgie!
or some similar dumb as a bag of hammers wonka wonka!
Voters are like mushrooms, you need to keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit.
incomplete haiku
the stupid
how it rules
And we all know how well he did at that. What a fuckwit.
Hope that ain’t Muslim seed corn yer cawin’ about…
They know there ain’t no heaven and pray that there ain’t no hell.
His actual constituency probably applauded.
So on that basis, we can assume that Graham was born an asshole because he got that seed from his Dad, then? OK, now I get it.
This episode made my head explode. With all of the subsequent recounting of this story, no one mentions that john king threw gas on this fire.
As graham spewed this verbiage there was NO push back.
This clip is cloned and emailed all over the web. This seems to now become ‘evidence/proof’ the President is ‘a Muslim’.
This is all the lizard brained mouth breathers need, now that they saw it on the tee vee, or they’ll get in a link from redstate.
king’s tacit ‘approval’ by his, disengagement and failure to follow up and or push back. graham’s hyperbole deserved a ”You can’t be serious” and a smack down.
graham’s idiocy was given an imprimatur by it’s permission to exist unchallenged. It makes king as bad as graham.
These villagers scratch their heads and ‘wonder’ where all the misinformation comes from.
Joe sure can light up a place, sure enuf! Good tune!
Very observent Grasshopper.
These are not your father’s stupid people. The folks who think Obama is a Muslim are mutants. Yeah, it has something to do with their food and for some of them their church. But what’s driving it is pop couture. We now have people who are proud of being stupid.
But it ain’t the mutants that scare me so much as the police and the government and blackwater and the sprawling prison complex and the humongous corporations that own them all.
You are right of course Mr. Scarecrow. The mutants require a response. Maybe there is something we can spray them with.
What do you expect? Most of the commercial media personalities have about an 8th grade level of comprehension of the world.
John King ain’t exactly noted for his hard-hitting journalism…just like (most of) the rest of his cronies over there at “the most trusted name in news.”
well
done
;)
I’m hoping that someday I’ll be able to walk the rice paper without making a mark…
NO push back…it’s not a flaw…it’s a feature…the MSM clowns like King exchange it amongst each other like DNA spit!
soon
very soon
“the most
trusted name in news.”There, fixed it.
I’m sure that’s right. This is hardly new, but it seems to be growing in influence and power, via Fox, talk radio, and the general laziness/etc of the other media. I think this is as bad, as nutty, and as divisive as the McCarthy era — it just substitutes Muslims for Commies.
It’s not just about Obama. It’s also about making it seem logical that we should be at war with people in more than a dozen countries, and it gets a day’s story in the Times and that’s it. We’re waging undeclared (illegal) war in a dozen Muslim-dominated nations, and the populace shrugs its shoulders.
He is a weed seed. And no, not the “good stuff”.
Maybe the mutation won’t breed true?
I’m beginning to understand why they call it the idiot box.
CNN is the most trusted name in news.
No wonder there are so many uninformed people.
The most trusted name in news and the fair and balanced channel will turn us into a country of proud serfs.
It is not just being Christian, it is being Protestant, and increasingly Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Charismatic. This has been with us since the early 19th century with anti-Catholic sentiment and anti-Semitism up through the 1960s.
Franklin Graham inherited the seed of a religious extremistbigoted moron. He hasn’t chosen to renounce it.
Only a slight correction EvilDrPuma.
Sadly, they are not mutants, but rather a kind of twisted and stunted bonzai people carefully shaped and molded by the corporate media and conservative political and religious leaders. They were made, not born this way.
Franky’s got shaky hypocritical theology, surprise surprise…
His statement is also a dogwhistle to fundies; Exodus 20:5 -
Which never, conveniently, mentions the next verse, 20:6 -
It’s just how those fundies roll.
I think the anti-Muslim sentiment is getting stronger. At least, what I hear and read about it seems to be. And some of it is bound to be the demonization of the “enemy” of the moment. But it’s also part of a larger, irrational attitude many Americans seem to have about religions not their own.
Yep. Selective perception is their strong point, like being all down with the “homosexuality is an abomination”, but missing the part about shrimp, bacon, and polyblends being one as well.
What drives it is partisan politics combined with the so-called culture war. They would attempt to undermine any Dem president by any means necessary. I’m certain there are still lots of people who would swear Bill and Hill had Vince Foster whacked.
Of course the bitter irony is that if their assessment of Obama were reality based they would LOVE him. He is more conservative than any Republican president in the second half of the 20th century.
In my opinion.
And don’t forget about The Big Event next weekend. There’s some gasoline for the fire.
I don’t think this is in reality about his religion. It’s about the color of his skin – it drives them crazy.
It is clearly growing, in large part because it is being fueled by rightwing politicians and blowhards to create a kind of hysteria that they can exploit for political and financial advantage.
Beware of the American Talbian.
Obama is knowingly or unknowingly contributing to the problem with adoption of NCLB on steroids, and Arne Duncans school privatization schemes. If we don’t teach our kids to think critically, there’s always going to be someone there to fill their heads with superstition and this kind of nuttery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(sociology)
With all this insanity of self righteous and fanatical religiousity, can witch trials, burnings, and the inquisition reality shows be that far off…we are already pretty far down the torture road to perdition already!
Bill Clinton is Caucasian and the accusations made about him were deranged. My Republican sister swore that Hillary was the Antichrist and Bill and Chelsea were having an affair… Seriously, she did.
I would basically agree with that assessment. Obama has 3 things going against him in their eyes:
He is a Democrat.
He is black.
His father was a foreigner.
They could definitely overlook the third, and possibly the second, if not for the first.
True, that link mentions President Kennedy and the question a Catholic could be President. Still, as the USA Today poll said, it’s a lot better to be just about any kind of Christian than not, except for Mormons.
Well, he was from Hawaii which is a foreign place.
Return to Honor my ass…it would be humorous except for the fact it is so damn scary!
Hillary would also have been reviled if she won (female is almost as bad as black), but I am not sure it would have quite the same intensity and level of insanity. Part of the whole Muslim thing is accentuating his “otherness”, which is his cardinal sin in the eyes of the white Christian conservatives at the heart of this tempest in a teacup.
Agreed. It starts when you are a baby watching TV.
For a lot of these yahoos, it is indeed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism
Not just Protestant, but specifically Calvinism, originating in europe, who had the foresight to kick them out.
The fear/hatred/intolerance wrt to Muslims is the foundation used to support:
Two open wars
A dozen more undeclared wars
Torture, kidnapping, detention, suspension of habeas corpus
Black sites, Gitmo, Bagram prisons
Expansion of state secrecy
Hundreds of uncoordinated “intelligence” entities; thousands of zealots
Warrantless spying; universal surveillance, muzzling libraries, reporters
Shrinking of Miranda and the rights it protects
Loss of right to speedy trials
Bogus military trial systems
It’s not just about religious purity or exclusion — that’s just the self-righteous part; it’s about justifying all the trappings of a police state and perpetual war society.
Of all the noisy blowhards in right-wing talk radio and television, Beck alarms me the most -more than Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, or any of the rest of them. He is very ambitious, acquisitive, deranged and dangerous.
Respectfully disagree (somewhat). The anti-Muslim criticism is just an example of opportunism. Yes, most of his conservative critics are bigots but any Dem president would have received a comparable level of hostility. They are an imaginative lot when it comes to inventing reasons to hate.
Medicine for the spiritually challenged!
Calvinism in the strict sense really is not all that strong in America. For most of the 19th and 20th centuries, it was sufficient to be Protestant (most of the elites were Episcopalian or the like). It is only in the last 30 years that Fundamentalist, Evangelical, and Charismatic Christianity, once the province of the poorest and most powerless Americans, have achieved the prominence that they have now.
Check out the second table in this Pew Forum survey. There’s a clear correlation between how people feel about the job Obama is doing and whether he’s a Muslim or not. Whether those people think he’s a lousy president because he’s a Muslim, or are just more ready to believe he’s a Muslim since they don’t like the job he’s doing, there’s a clear relationship between “Muslim” and “bad” there.
I don’t discount that there could be other prejudices involved, too, but there’s a bias against Muslims very much in evidence there.
If what they want is an ass hole Republican then yes, they should be happy with Obama. But mutants are focused on what they don’t want. Muslims!
Absolutely agree…I never imagined that someone so obviously deranged could be worshipped by his followers so devoutly and dangerously. Put an SS uniform on him and have him click his polished boots ever so often and I’m sure his viewers would be in a state of ecstasy!
I agree that the Muslim bit was something that they opportunistically seized on, but it is still tied to his blackness, which is at the heart of his “otherness” for them. It allows them to express their fear and hatred without publicly admitting their racism. While any Democrat would have been savagely attacked, race has added a level of ferocity that was not there under Clinton (reflected in the spike in hate crimes, threats and attacks against public officials, and threats against the president).
Franklin Graham apparently doesn’t know his own faith tradition. Both he and his father are General Baptists and/or Southern Baptists, and as such they do not accept infant Baptism. It is only around the age of 11 or 12 that the children of Baptists prepare for their “birth in the spirit” and if they pass muster get dunked (usually in white cotton robes) in the full immersion tank that is part of any Baptist Church. If a church doesn’t have a tank, any river or lake will do. When I was a kid, taking swimming lessons on Saturday, once a month the local Baptists rented the YWCA pool for half an hour, and did it in well clorinated water. (shallow end).
This is not a small issue. Infant versus Adult Baptism was the source of many a burnings at the stake, and a couple of wars back in the Reformation ages. Ask any French Huguenot what kind of price was paid by those who rejected infant baptism. And as far as I know, there is nothing at all in Baptist Theology about Jewish or Muslim seeds — or any other sort other than the mustard seed.
Bill Clinton has much to say about Baptist young adult Baptism in his autobiography. Good source as to how things were done among Southern Baptists in the late 1950′s.
The problem is of course exacerbated by the fact that the modern GOP kowtows to the most radical right-wing lunatic fringe. As bad as the Republican Congress was during the ’90s they had not yet driven out ALL the “moderates.” Michelle Bachmann wouldn’t have fit in and Sharron Angle probably couldn’t have won a nomination for dog catcher.
Down home in the the Oklahoma hill country, river baptism was the gold standard for the hardcore.
Oh Franklin…
(I am quoting scripture, so shoot me soon…)
John 3:16, from the King James edition-
I don’t see anything about getting dunked or wearing robes of a certain color, or magic boxer-briefs. You believe and you’re saved. That’s it. That’s all.
Fire when ready.
If you take the fact that opportunistically his blackness, his otherness, his falsified Muslim ties, have all been used to drum up veiled and unveiled hatred towards not just him, but ‘others’…he certainly has also added to the ledger of dislike and venom by unequivocally choosing to be a ‘corporate’ sock puppet and deceiving the voters who put him in the chair he currently sits in.
You are correct about that, but remember that part of this is the open embrace of the white supremacists.
List of legislators who have helped spread the falsehoods, compiled by Washington Post
“But the media are not alone when it comes to promoting or insinuating falsehoods about the president’s religion and, by extension, his birthplace. We’ve collected a list of lawmakers whose comments have helped fuel the debate. Most either said outright that the president is a Muslim, that he is not a U.S. citizen or appeared to leave open the possibility that either falsehood could be true.”
Here’s my attempt at a haiku:
Graham on talk show
Black cow chewing wet green grass
Shit falls, plop, plop, plop.
As I said above, this has been deliberately ginned up by conservative politicians and media.
If I understand Graham correctly, if one’s mother is Jewish and one’s father is Muslim, then one is born a “Muslim Jew,” or perhaps a Juslim, or a Mew. In any case, such a person would be born very wierd.
I had a friend whose father was Irish and whose mother was Jewish. He complained that he was born with the business sense of the Irish and the luck of the Jews.
The GOP and the Aryan Brotherhood have found common cause. I just love it when people get along…
In unrelated news, it looks like we’re finally getting some rain. Looking forward to my weeds turning green again.
On that happy note I will bid everyone adieu.
and easily forgotten amongst many of those who proclaim to be of ‘good faith’:
‘Love one another, as I have Loved you’…profound words regardless of what your beliefs are! How much of that have we spread over in Afghanistan and Iraq…not to mention here at home!
G’nite rat…much greeness to ya!
Night. Give Bob a peck for me.
LOL! Well done!
Onward Christian Soldiers
-Gen. Boykin
Night-night handsome!
I think you’re right. They would have ginned something up.
O/T: Another eight bite the dust.
Agreed. Beck is trying to turn tea party into religion. He’ll lose.
Re Graham and son, as the saying goes: the fool does not fall far from the tree
or something like that.
Just checking in tonight — hey Kelly and Pups!
“Kill (whatever choice) for Christ”…what a mantra…
So, who decided that Franklin Graham was worth quoting on this matter? I’ve never heard of him before.
John King should be fired from CNN for this little stunt.
Good evenin Christine!
Somehow this seems appropriate to tonight’s topic.
Should and would are distant cousins…he will probably get a promotion!
I’d thoroughly enjoy seeing him flame out spectacularly. However, in my mind (such as it is), the jury is still out. I shudder to think what things will look like after November. It’s bad now, but after Congress gets rearranged? Um….I dunno….
More haiku – and it fit’s my Gay People’s Rules for dealing with Fundies –
1) Point and Laugh!
2) Go have cocktails
Good evening edve! Hey, no longer Friday, but the weekend! And for that, as Tosh says, I thank you.
A lot of people presume that a person is ‘part’ ‘Jewish’ if there’s an ancestor who was ‘Jewish’. Also if the person’s parents are Jewish, the children are ‘Jewish’ even if the parents have been atheists or HUmanists before marrying and having children. This is what people believe and how they use the language.
Very nice.
Now that is lovely!
When I was in grade school, and still a practicing Lutheran, a common hymn was Onward. It popped up in the rotation all the time.
About the time that the parishioner’s kids and friends kids started coming back maimed and killed, it seemed to vanish. That would be about nineteen sixty-six.
I didn’t know well enough to care about it then, but I must say that I’m proud of Pastor Norman Nelson for that.
Hi Chris!
Righteous actions Kelly!…and make the laughter loud!
That’s half of the way the Society of Friends (Quakers) solved the problem, given that we came along at the tail end of the Reformation Ball.
We decided peace making or conflict resolution was the highest of callings, and thus we eliminated the Creed, The Sacraments (including Baptism), the Clergy, and Litergy. Since people were making wars over such matters, we left them all out. If you happen to believe in Baptism, and want it, well you have to go poach off someone else. Methodists and Episcopalians are very accomodating.
We also solved the problem of gender in the 1640′s. Some of the early Quaker preachers were women, and some men objected to meetings approving them. (Quakers in those days preached in the fields and streets — they were quite evangelical). At any rate, the problem was brought to George Fox, the founder of the tradition, and he engaged in serious study, and finally said he could find no reliable scripture that characterized a soul as having any gender. “Souls have no Gender” — thus don’t mess with the ladies who feel called to preach.
Yo, CE!
Cheers!
Agree! And congratulations on being #100.
Hey Margot!
Hot as Hades today.
Great read, have not read comments, too late and won’t.
But SC.
I concur fully, but it’s not just them, it’s the elected offals who enact legislation at city, township, county, state and national levels that LET them whackaloon fucks get away with their shit that in the end, benefits the corporate fascist overlords who own us all.
So, as always, SC, I’ll argue our battle is a class war, not a religious war.
And the sooner poor people of all stripes and colors and denominations realize this, the sooner we the people realize we’re phooked and need to change it all.
And not because of a god or belief system.
But for a people system.
A human system.
It’s a class war, and the humans winning it got no hearts.
They ain’t human as we know them to be.
When will we the people address this issue?
?
I know that many young folks sang that song with vigor, until some of them had an epiphany and actually realized what was being sung and implied…
Notice they’re all nutcase republicans. I wonder what it will be like when the dems decide to call them out.
Yo, Dude! I have a new MacBook Pro and my bragging rights are almost nil.
Such radical ideas. So sensible, they sound strange in today’s world.
I think the dems are just letting them get their crazy, and the repubs are accommodating admirably.
I did not know any of that. Brilliant.
I have a friend who’s a devout Quaker, and is something or other in the church (deacon, bishop, or clerk of the meeting, or something). He insists that Quakerism is not an “organized” religion (whatever that means).
Agree with most of that. I couldn’t stuff all the causes/effects into a paragraph. You could also explain it as corporate power versus public/people power. The class war issues is something that came up in the Sherrod matter, and she had us talking about it for a week or so, but then it got pushed aside by the fear that we might have Muslim point guards shooting baskets at a new center in NYC.
Nice. Some machine.
Tall order hoss, but so very necessary for the survival of at least part of the species…but when you get right down to it…people have great difficulty changing
their core beliefs about a ‘human system’ transformation even if that former system is potentially threatening to their very existence…is it the freakin frog in the boiling water syndrome?
More mockery:
On a mosque, some fundies were hatin’
Sayin’ it was a work of Ol’ Satan
And thus a Foundation
Of our Lovely Nation
The First Amendment, was left out of the equation
It’s hard to “call them out” when you’re cowering or agreeing with them.
Hey CE! IIf you haven’t seen it yet, Macintouch dot com is a wonderful daily zine for all news, things, and new things Mac. (I’ve read it every day since 1996.)
Well, I’m counting on the dems.
Well, it’s up to them. Get tough or lose.
If it is serving you well…do some braggin CE…bet it has that new computer aura!
It is clear that the Republicans are deliberately stirring things up to get their base into a feeding frenzy for the elections and I think you are right about the Dems standing back and watching, knowing it really alienates the moderates and independents. The problem is that it is really easy for this kind of thing to get out of control and them people get hurt.
Hey newt — I crashed and burned this month. My five year old Dell contracted a trojan virus that killed it. I’m pretty happy now. How are you?
I hope you’ve not put money on them.
I had better hopes for John King — he seems slightly kinder than most, but he’s apparently under tremedous pressure to improve ratings, so his producers just reach for the outrageous. I think KO was right to diss King as a big part of the problem here, even though as a competitor, KO has a conflict in doing so.
Thanks! I’m a newbie…
Ric Ford’s site is my startup page! Recommended highly!
Class is the one topic that we are not allowed to talk about in America, even though it shapes everything we do and experience. This negation is part of the winning strategy of the rentier and managerial classes which has allowed them to almost quadruple their income over the last 30 years while that of the bottom 80% of American’s incomes have remained flat.
Happy as well.
New to the Mac?
Try this:
While holding down the ‘Control’ key, use two fingers on the track pad in a top to bottom motion…
Every day is a new learning experience. The best thing: backlit heyboard. Hey!
Their base? Hell. They’ve gotten the entire nation babbling about the “Ground-Zero Mosque.”
They are damn good at this shit.
More poetry on the fly:
The Ballad of Franklin
I’m Franklin, not Frank,
I seed what I seed
And I knows what I knows
Not saying, just saying,
But his seed is you know,
Not like me or thee,
My daddy’s white
Of which I am proud,
His daddy’s not, it is,
It’s not good Christian stock
Muslims come from foreign parts
Not like you and me
Not saying, just saying,
You know what he is,
So I’ll just call him Muslim instead
Cuz you know and I know
He’s not one of us
See edve’s #140 (Ric Ford publishes and authors Macintouch).
They ought to be they have been practicing it for 60 years.
newt, ask me again to do this — too late and too “gingerish” to try…
Think I will toddle off. Take care all.
G’nite Doc
Nothing bad will happen. Just a big smile.
“I have a friend who’s a devout Quaker, and is something or other in the church (deacon, bishop, or clerk of the meeting, or something). He insists that Quakerism is not an “organized” religion (whatever that means).
Since we have no clergy (well some evangelical quaker groups do have what are referred to as “Hireling Preachers” — Richard Nixon’s family were of that sort) your friend is probably Clerk of Meeting. That means he takes care that things are in order for meeting, calls business meetings to order, and makes sure everyone is assigned to various committees of the meeting. He probably manages the books of the meeting and writes checks for light and heat and all. It is not a religious office — it is one elected by consensus of the meeting. He would also close the meeting by shaking hands with those seated near him.
And he is right on with it not being “organized.” With no particular creed we gave up that organizing principle. Over the years people have suggested a creed be written, but that has always been rejected.
Christine…another informative blog site is ‘diglloyyd’s’ site:
All about best practices and getting best performance…also great purchasing tips!
Do you ever download videos from YouTube to keep?
Hey, cool!
That’s a reply to newtonusr @ 145
Let’s see – postage stamps, money. and religions are figured in denominations. Anything else?
You see this yet?
Scarecrow…
Thank you for this post and the discussions it has manifest!
I think you have a new future, Hugh.
Know about it but haven’t been to the Apple Store to see one. I’d get one for my PPC G5 iMac, but it’s now a very old machine. Optical drive died 3 years ago. Yesterday it crashed when I dbl-clkd a folder, then got the chime of doom at start-up. I started from the install disc and all’s well. But it’s cranky.
In the past 100 years the evangelical movement has been dormant, rearing its head occasionally but not having much foothold until a strenghtening in the past 30 years. There was an extremely strong evangelical movement during the Civil War. Historians have remarked on the large tent revival meetings in military camps, especially among the Confederates (not surprisingly, because it continues today, primarily in the South). And, of course the evangelicals are still convinced that they are the soldiers of God put on earth for the purpose of smiting evil–evil being anyone that does not agree with them, be they yankees or muslims.
You’re welcome, but our faithful backstage folks find/create the videos, and the posts just sorta write themselves.
I do, but MrCE does all the time”
Bad RAM.
It might have something to do with the fact, (regardless of their protesting they don’t)…they own the microphones and the Faux news, and most if not all of the MSM, which gives them unrivaled BS rights!
I don’t know how you could have had any hope for that. king is david gregory lite. He was totally in mccain’s camp and was responsible for getting the douche from redstate on board with the ‘most trusted team in news’.
I have had my problems with the President but this really is a time to scream e-fucking-nough.
This misdirection of angst is insane. The MSM is completely owned by the republicans, literally and figuratively.
The other outlets aren’t as craven as fox, but they don’t have to be.
As long as the President acts enough like a republican there won’t be a total gang bang.
The emotions that are being tapped are so feral and de-evoultionary, in a more civilized time some Cronkite would step up.
We don’t have Teddy any more to pound the table and ask ‘When will the greed stop.’
Regrettably, the man many of us thought would be a leader is allowing himself and the country hemmorage from the paper cuts of petulant ignorance
We’re not so lucky now, and if the democrats just roll into a fetal position and let this madness prevail the next two years are going to be complete hell.
Garden State…
My new toy.
Godfather: “Leave the MacBook [at home], take the iPad [to Starbucks].”
Then a hearty thank you to them and you simultaneously!
In 6 months or so, Apple will be releasing a new firmware version. Included (or so I predict) – tabbed browsing for the iPad.
That is very big.
Evening all. Um, did Seed of Graham happen to mention anything about turning the other cheek, or was that last year’s news?
I don’t know if it’s bad RAM. I happen to have bought it at the Apple Store. It could be a dying/dead battery/clock, but I think it was the folder’s contents, some strange Flash stuff I deleted. I have tons of 3rd-party junk in it. When I tried a cold restart, it wouldn’t even turn on. That’s when I used the install disc to boot.
It wasn’t the level of intelligence I was counting on; it was more a degree of meanness, or lack thereof. King didn’t seem to be a vicious man, compared to others with more cynicism or obvious agendas. But all that was based on only a few observations.
Clemenza.
If it had a bad proc, it wouldn’t boot to the OEM disk.
Remove all your RAM, suck out the machine, reinstall half and boot.
Then replace that RAM with the removed mods and boot.
And yeah, replace the CMOS battery regardless.
Is it not possible that was the intention from the get-go…the final die will be cast for total ‘corp’ dominance and unstoppable corruption and enslavement of the ‘serf’ classes!
Nope. He missed the “love they neighbor as thyself” part, too. I don’t think these folks have all the pages my Bibles used to have as a kid. Must be special print edition.
Did I get the character wrong? Haven’t watched it in decades. Can’t handle the baptism scene.
They are not even shy about it – they chucked the New Testament years ago.
You could also try some version of a mem test and see what results you get…caveat…not all mem tests are equal in their assessments.
If no satisfactory results, definitely go with ‘newtonuser’s’ suggestions…that should reveal something useful!
yes
Forgot to mention: Ground yourself!
I then ran Disc Utility, everything checked out okay. I installed a new EyeTV 250 Plus w EyeTV 3.2, everything works like new. If it commits suicide again, I’ll try that RAM fix.
Nice!
It’s Clemenza after Rocco shoots Paulie while Clemenza stops to take a leak in the Jersey tall grasses.
I had the EyeTV 250, it died. Just got the EyeTV 250 Plus yesterday, installed it on 3 machines. Plays HD on the MBP.
Yes!! Important comment…for the computer’s well being and the user’s!
I can’t tell you how many times I have walked into someone’s home after a failed RAM install by the user: shag carpet…
“Wadda you mean, discharge the static?”
Thanks, I’ll do that also. I don’t use the machine much at all anymore. In fact only to record TCM movies or Soundstage/Austin CIty Limits via the EyeTV gizmo. I also have a G4 iBook that I don’t use anymore either except as a feeder from iTunes Internet radio to AIrport Express (which then plugs into my Denon AV receiver).
Yikes, I saw a computer driven very high end sewing machine at a convention a while back. The whole thing crashed when a woman who had some kind of static charge tried to use it. The poor salespeople were all over their phones to try to figure out how to get it back up so they could show people how great it was. Talk about a disaster.
That’s sad. Some of those embroidery programs are extremely cool.
Above my front door on the inside I have 4 megs of vintage 1996 RAM attached vertically to the door frame with two jingle bells hanging, so the door rings the bells. Very cheap 4 meg alarm system. Doesn’t depend on electrical power.
At least Franklin’s father Billy Graham kept any racist/religiously bigoted opinions he held out of the public eye as much as he could.
We all know the stereotype of Southern Baptists is that they are stupid hateful bigots. Franklin Graham isn’t helping to improve that image.
“Southern Baptists” are different than “regular Baptists” in that the S.B. sect accepted enslavement of Blacks as good and correct. But even regular Baptists are stereotyped as ignorant and prejudiced. Many are.
My family in Virginia were regular Baptists. My Grandmother voted only once in her life: Her Baptist preacher had told his flock to vote against John F. Kennedy because he was “‘for the colored people.’” This voting choice was ironic and dichotomous because, though mainly white, she herself and my mother and I were descended from slaves owned by the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, though Gra’Ma wouldn’t admit it. It showed in the skin color of my mother and two of her sisters. Sadly, those two expressed racial prejudice, but not my mother, who sometimes with a smile referred to herself as “high yella,” a term meaning “of mixed race.”
I should try that!
With all the gar-bagé that I am just unable to throw away, I could put old stuff to good use.
I really like the original iMac’s converted into fish tanks.
I think this machine was just being used for random quilt-stitching. Not that it could not do a lot of other stuff, but it could not do anything when I saw it. There were also computer driven weaving machines. The problem is that if they are that sensitive, who would want to spend all that money and have it crash? I would not.
At school one evening I was showing a movie, the TV and VCR were full of static electricty. I touched the TV and you could hear the crack in the back of the room. As I held the tape, before turning on the VCR, I reached forward to a student who had a piercing ring up there in his eyebrow, and asked if I could discharge the static on his eyelid ring. He believed I was serious!
The display won’t serve as an external like the new iMacs can. It’s old in many respects. All its stuff is backed up on an external. The G4 iBook has very low mileage. I still want it b/c of a lot of Classic stuff I haven’t seen fit to part with yet.
Hey, the iBook is wireless, portable, has what – 10.4 on it – and is already paid for. Nuff said.
Prezactly! Got it in ’06 b/c I went to SF Bay area twice for extended visits. Got this MBP 13″ in November. I had a G3 Bronze PB, which I thought was the best thing Apple ever made – until now.
It was. I had the Pismo version (the one with Firewire ports) – what a machine.
I’m checking out, man. Thanks a lot for all the I/O. Maybe I can return the favor: If you don’t know this about audio out from Macs into a real audio system, here’s a tip. If you have a free standing power amplifier, or if you have an integrated amp or a receiver with Pre-out/Main-in, you go directly into the amplifier stage, which gives you back your Mac’s preamp, so the ‘volume’ is outputted only from the Mac. Most users output from a Mac into a receiver’s Aux or similar analog inputs, which engage the receiver’s preamp; so the Mac’s preamp engages the receiver’s preamp, which requires full audio (preamp) output from the Mac to achieve modest power for the receiver’s preamp. It’s a two-preamp issue, and the quality is seldom good. But Mac-to-amp is superb, especially with Apple’s Lossless encoding for its iTunes. Bonus: if you have a TV (or VCR) without separate audio out, but a headphone jack, you can also output from the headphone jack directly into the power amp stage, and use the TV’s volume control for the power (the amp’s volume control usually comes from the pre-amp). There’s nothing like having a stand-alone power amplifier to go along with a Mac’s superb pre-amp. Since the Mac’s source content is always digital, there’s scarcely anything that needs to be cleaned and purified during the pre-amp stage when it’s converted to analog.
Cheers!
Nice! I use lossless, too, but I didn’t know that trick.
I use 2 NAD mono amps bridged to a NAD pre. That will come in very handy.
nite Aitch
Had to look…
Small world. A few months ago I had my NAD 2400 serviced and brought back to spec. Don’t use the NAD 2400 tuner/preamp much since FM where I live sucks. Also have a NAD integrated 325BEE. Went surround with two Denon receivers, last year and this year, would have loved NAD gear but I have small rooms and would never hear the difference. Just got a Yamaha CD changer with 24-bit DAC. It has a USB input for iPod or flash drive, but my iPod isn’t new enough, so I’ll be getting a Touch. Any day now I’ll be ordering a Pioneer DVD All-Region 24-bit DAC player (I want that 24-bit, plus Tiger Bay is Region 2). And I think I’ll be able to convert vinyl to digital with the EyeTV (although I can do it anyway with several other methods; but I like the idea of ‘editing’ with a video image (I used to edit video on Sony pro stuff). Yeah, it’s a sickness hobby, but it has its own built-in rehab loop!
nite & best newt
I’m only 66, but I’ve never met a christ-tard, must-tard, hin-tard, budd-tard, or any other religio-tard who wasn’t stupid, ignorant, or willfully ignorant. If Obama is a christ-tard, he’s dumber than I think he is.
Of course, in the U.S. it’s better to be a Nazi than an atheist.
Could hardly leave that hanging…
The stupid, how it
rules the cable news discourse:
“Next up, God’s spokesman.”
Q:Why do more people believe that Obama is a Muslim today than did when he was elected?
A: Because socially irresponsible pollsters keep asking Americans about whether they believe in known falsehoods.
Q:Do blue Unicorns have hooves on their feet?
….
Polls report that 37 % of Americans believe that blue Unicorns have hooves on their feet, while 24% do not believe this and 39% of Americans are unsure or undecided.
Someone sent me an email about Graham’s religiously intolerant specious but deliberate “categorizing” of Obama’s alleged “religious background.”
For the record, I have extended family members who have worked for the Billy Graham cult, uh, organization. FWIW, I have the lowest of the low opinion of Graham and his spawn… and for this reason. Graham, the elder, is a religiously intolerant, anti-semtic bigot who refered to Jews as worshipping in the Synagogue of Satan. That his spawn poops out $*** like this is no surprise to me. I have no use for the Graham family; they’re out to make money off of gullible rubes… aka the Elmer Gantry style of ministry. BAH.
This kind of disingenous claptrap is CLEARLY red meat and dog whistles for the reichwing facists who grow ever more intolerant, vindictive (for not reason), and disgusting due to so called “men of god” like this. Karma’s a bitch, and I do believe that what goes around, comes around.
PTOUI!
Billy Graham didn’t try to hide his anti-semitism all that much, and no doubt Graham “senior” would have been front and center with revving up the hatred against Muslims, if the opportunity had arisen in his day.
The “seed” did not fall far from the tree in Franklin’s case. Graham “Junior” is nothing more than his daddy’s boy. Make no mistake. Billy Graham is an evil venal scum out to rip people off with religious intolerance, and Franklin is just following in his daddy’s footsteps.
Amen!
Yeah, I know someone who got involved with one of these types of churches. Seems to me that this particular church this person got involved with uses coercive persuasion/thought reform in their recruiting. http://people.howstuffworks.com/cult4.htm & http://cultwatch.com/mctb.html
And yes, this church does encourage all its members to tithe (to get closer to God, of course).
This was a dumb statement.
Kind of like saying that science says that having lower ability and less beautiful humans not breed would yield higher ability and better looking humans.
True, scientifically speaking, but stupid.
And, just stupid on any basis.
But, a small percentage of any group holds weird views. I read recently that 19% of Democrats believe in UFO’s taking people. That doesn’t mean that all Dems are kooks.
This is the problem with this thread. It tries to take one person’s statement and paints an entire group. Kind of like painting the entire group of Muslims for the actions of a few.
Oh, wait, I thought that was a bad thing to do.
No, it’s not the same thing at all. Whether 19% or 90% of Democratic voters believe in UFO’s, the rightwing media is not constantly pounding that info out there day and night. It’s not just Franklin Graham who has made disingenous bigoted statements like this; there are many others, including that minister in FL who wants to burn Korans.
Plus you don’t see Time or Newsweek ginning up “be very scared” articles on their front cover about UFO’s taking people, like you see front cover articles ginning up fear over the not-a-mosque not at ground zero.
Completely false equivalency.
Religion in 25 words or less:
Convert anyone who doesn’t believe as you do into one who does.
If that doesn’t work, kill them.
Excellent coverage of American Idiots.
Loved your comprehensive lists of insanities and final conclusion. Bless you for analysis and all the comments it evoked.
To this day, I have yet to encounter a right wing imbecile who can draw the straight line for me that goes through this nugget of fantasy and their righteous indignation over Rev. Wright. Ya’ can’t have it both ways!