Former Obama Budget Director Peter Orszag’s maiden column as a New York Times op-ed contributor undermines Brad DeLong’s hope that Orszag’s addition would make the Times op ed pages better. That might have been true if Orszag replaced a clown or someone not worth reading, but he didn’t.
Instead, Orszag gives us an illogical argument for why we should extend Bush tax cuts for the richest two percent of Americans for another two years but end the Bush tax cuts for everyone by 2013. To get there, Orszag has to ignore both economics and fairness, and use logic and political arguments only when convenient.
Orszag’s hook is to argue we have two unacceptable deficits — one for jobs and the other for the federal budget. So we need to keep the cuts for now for stimulus reasons, but end them soon to reduce the deficits. But he quickly reveals he doesn’t care about the jobs deficit, because nothing he advocates would alter government (including his own) forecasts that today’s 9.6 percent unemployment will decline only slightly over the next few years. Instead he reveals he’s a believer in invisible bond vigilantes — lucky for him, vigilante slayer Krugman is en route to Japan — and reveals his belief that only the budget deficit is truly unacceptable. The unemployed don’t matter.
He worries that we face budget deficits that may be 4 to 5 percent of GDP, asserting we have to get that down to an arbitrary 3 percent by 2015 or so, but he seems completely unconcerned about the harmful drag on GDP from leaving 10 to 20 percent of the nation’s labor resources unemployed or underutilized.
So what’s wrong with Orszag’s "political compromise" of extending all cuts for two years, then ending them all? The main problem is the error we see over and over in reporting on the economic stimulus value of tax cuts.
For the thousandth time, tax cuts aren’t very effective, and those applied to rich people suck. When the government gives a tax cut — essentially a gift — to the richest Americans, they spend proportionally less to stimulate Mainstreet’s economy and gamble a lot more on Wall Street’s casinos. Everyone should know this by now. Transferring money from the middle class to the rich impoverishes Mainstreet and enriches Wall Street. So retaining lower taxes for the middle class is as much a democratic equity argument to help redress the egregious distribution of wealth to the richest people as it is an economic stimulus plan.
But if you’re going to defend extending tax cuts as an economic stimulus and re-employment measure on the op-ed pages of the New York Times, your readers expect you to acknowledge Christy Romer’s work on stimulus multipliers, and CBO’s or at least Mark Zandi’s studies on stimulus effects, never mind OMB’s own budget forecasts. All of these tell us many tax cuts suck as stimulus compared to direct spending, especially spending on the unemployed or those less well off or even the middle class. Tax cuts for the less well off are fair, but tax cuts for the richest are just fiscally irresponsible and economically wasteful gifts to people who don’t need more federal entitlements or bailouts. There was no excuse for them before and none now.
Any honest op-ed on this subject would tell us these facts in the first few paragraphs and then explain why any compromise package that deviates from those fundamental priorities is still justified.
So if former OMB Director(!) Orszag’s "compromise" is economically foolish and harmful, what’s his political excuse? Here he finds it convenient to argue Republicans would never agree to extending tax cuts only for the middle class while leaving out gifts for the rich — probably true — but inconvenient to note that the same Republicans would likely reject ending the tax cuts for everyone in two years. Similarly, he says Obama could enforce this unlikely compromise by vetoing any bill to make the cuts permanent in 2013, but he assumes Obama cannot fashion an intelligent veto threat in 2010.
Next we get Orszag’s dissembling on where to find spending cuts:
How much savings is plausible on the spending side? Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security will account for almost half of spending by 2015. Even if we reform Social Security, which we should, any plausible plan would phase in benefit changes to avoid harming current beneficiaries — and so would generate little savings over the next five years. The health reform act included substantial savings in Medicare and Medicaid, so there aren’t further big reductions available there in our time frame.
Translation: to "reform Social Security" means to cut benefits for future beneficiaries. And you can’t reduce health care costs because, uh, he sat in the Senate’s Big Six meetings to protect Obama’s deals with PhRMA and hospitals, mandating private insurance while killing the public option, nixing drug imports and negotiations and taking Medicare for all off the table. And that’s why "there aren’t further big reductions available."
The nation’s number one economic problem is not Peter Orszag’s fear of invisible bond vigilantes or even the prospects of deficits in 2015 or 2018 still at 4 to 5 percent GDP. It’s the loss and waste of 15 million of America’s most important resources and the costs that imposes on us for decades. They need jobs, and just as important, America needs to put them to work, because America has public investment needs in the trillions — yes, trillions, not the $50 billion Obama proposes for starters.
If Congress allows the Bush tax cuts for the richest Americans to expire, just as current law provides, that will give OMB $700 billion more over the decade to use for much needed economic expansion now — e.g., a way to "pay" for an Infrastructure Investment Bank that doesn’t require you "work with Republicans" — or short run enhancements to Social Security, and, if they choose, deficit reduction later.
It also means the phony budget hawks who have no plans to cover the tax cut extensions, will have $700 billion less in deficits to use as an excuse for leaving 15 million American workers unemployed.
That’s good policy, good politics, smart economics. By undermining all three, Orszag’s first op ed gets an "F". Well, Prof?
John Chandley
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Class warfare. Plain and simple.
Great post, scarecrow
And this was the guy that had obamarahma’s ear on economic policy. I see that Alan Blinder and Robert Rubin outnumber Joseph Stiglitz as his teachers/mentors.
Prairie Sunshine thinks Peter Orszag is a selfish fop with neither soul nor vision.
Here is some brief bio on Orszag:
It is probably important to note that Orszag and Rubin put together the Hamilton Project at the Brookings Institution. Pete Peterson was also involved in this. Orszag was its first director 2005-2007. He went for a stint as head of the CBO in 2007-2008. And then Obama named him to head the OMB, a sort of lateral transfer. The CBO is run by Congress, the OMB is in the Executive but their functions are pretty much the same, creating the budget.
Orszag is private academy, Princeton, London School of Economics. He is of a type we see a lot of. A golden boy with a great résumé and a third rate mind.
(Parenthetically, I was surprised to find that wiki has no entry on the Hamilton Project. It just redirects to a general article on Brookings where it is not mentioned at all. Curious.)
As I said in the previous thread on this, I think Orszag backs keeping the high end tax cuts as a means to keep the bubbles in stocks and commodities going as long as possible. It has shit to do with unemployment. It is just more extend and pretend.
p.s. If the Rethugs tout Kennedy’s tax cuts, I say, let ‘em pay Kennedy’s tax rates.
The Obama Hope A Dope Continues!!!
Grand Ma, always said people will judge you by the company you keep!
Peter Orszag could have served in the Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, White Houses, this moron never would have served in any White House led by FDR, JFK, LBJ, etc.
Enough already! can progressive just comes to grips with the fact that we got Con in 2008 by Barrack Obama.
Obama is a Reagan Clone, just like Clinton, dress up like a democrat by the corporate media.
The corporate media is all giddy over the idea of democrats losing big in 2010, like the current dems in congress follow the blue print of being a good democrat left to us by FDR, JFK, Ted Kennedy, etc.
Did I miss something? what has Obama done that any average Democrat that followed the leadership style of FDR would have done? NOTHING!!!
” A Not So Funny Thing Happens When You Elect A Con Man To Be President During A Depression” Nothing!
I glanced at Orszag’s column today and turned the page. What a load of bull. Agree with Hugh @4. Beyond the ever-popular idea of letting zillionaires not pay their fair share (based on disproven supply-side, trickle-down junk), the push now is to somehow shore up Wall St by doing this.
Don’t see how that’s gonna work, either. Load of rubbish from our newly minted “nobility.” They’re all wealthy; they’ve mostly all been born with silver spoons in their mouths; they attended the same high-falutin schools that teach them that it’s ok to sh*t on the lower orders.
And so: on it goes…
Thanks for the great report and analysis.
Peter O is an SOB and all sorts of other unhelpful expletives.
So the headline yesterday is out that political scientists are asserting that the Repubs are on the way in and the Dems on the way out. There may or may not be chaos/more chaos but either way I’m sick of it all.
Blessings,
It always amazes me that the upper crust tries to fly these tax-cut balloons, even during hard times when our government needs money to replace lost revenues from a lowered GDP. They must think that we are incredibly stupid or powerless to do anything about it. If they are short a few dimes, they shamelessly stick their filthy hands into our Social Security cookie jar and steal our money because they don’t want to pay their fair share. Meanwhile, I pay a higher proportion of my income just to pay my property taxes on my home, than the proportion of income which affluent folks pay for all of their taxes. Their taxes are less than peanuts when compared to their total income when compared to mine. I end up feeling like I am just renting my place from them. It is infuriating. They are stealing from the government which enabled them to acquire wealth in the first place. They are stealing from the workers who enabled them to have businesses and who run the communities in which they live. What the hell are we talking about taking care of THEIR needs and their money when our country is in ruins and our people are suffering!
And of course, the one thing Orszag and others always fail to mention – if people had jobs, tax revenues would increase as would pay-ins to Social Security and Medicare
Orzag’s plan is an excuse not a solution.
He builds his entire policy prescription on the perceived notion that Republicans will not support tax relief for 95% American workers. His answer is to fold the tent and give in.
Before we run with this policy, let’s put the Republicans to the test. Force them to vote on extending tax cuts only for those making less than 250k.
Let them vote NO. I think it is electoral suicide,
Orzag’s cowardly fall back position of A VAT combined with eliminating tax cuts on the middle class after (2013) asks the middle class to unfairly carry more than their share of the burden of the two credit card wars and the HUGE tax benefits to the wealthiest Americans that they have enjoyed for a decade. VAT is not a progressive tax and hits the middle class disproportionately hard.
Those who benefited most from the Bush cuts and the redistribution of wealth (which has been going on for the past three decades) should pay the bill.
Why? They can afford it. The middle class and those who suffered through the Bush economic wars cannot.
Count Orzag among the faint of heart.
Where is the spirit of Harry Truman? “I never give them hell; I just tell them the truth and they think it is hell.”
“Obama is a Reagan Clone, just like Clinton, dress up like a democrat by the corporate media.”
In my political universe, Clinton is a centrist Democrat, while Obama is a right-winger posing as a centrist Democrat. Clinton is to the left of Reagan, while Obama is to the right of Reagan. That’s why the corporate media hated Clinton and loved Obama.
Surviving Jeb Bush
Logic. Sheesh, always with the logic. s
Thanks Scarecrow.
Definitely… he gets an “F!”
There’s also the distinct possibility we may have a republican president and Congress in 2 years and then, fergit about it.
We can also, I’m pretty sure fergit about the gov subsiding anyone’s health polices since Obama set the whole mess to start in 2014.
If they have to steal Social Security, to pay off the dictator’s debts, I’m sure suddenly paying for the exorbitant health “care” premiums will just make them bubble with…………..an…tic…i…..pation!
The Best and the Brightest 2.0
thank you Scarecrow
Orszag should worry less about cost controls and more about birth control.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/white_house_budget_director_ditched_VeLLOyVXipr8EChlm33gfJ
A VAT tax is the most regressive tax possible at this time. Talk about a heart stopping, show stopping, economy flattening tax! What an idiot!
The only circumstance in which a VAT tax can fly is when you provide all of the counter balancing social welfare, educational, employment, housing supports and resources. It is only when the higher education is provided by the state, that you can justify a regressive VAT tax to pay for it. Provide guarantees of employment and medical care and a VAT tax is appropriate. Under the current circumstances, a VAT tax would create an America which would closely resemble Argentina under Menem.
I have to say that I was absolutely floored by the article. I don’t know Orszag personally, but assumed he was ok because of his association with Peter Temin in the social security debate. He struck me as a fairly ordinary ‘smart’(I hate that word) liberal economist. Looks like appearances are deceiving. The piece is a cop-out.
On the other hand, the case for a VAT is a strong one. As a tax on consumption, it actually probably pulls more money out of the rich than the current income taxes do. The regressivity problem can be handled by exempting certain categories of goods (clothes under $100,l say and food). I think on the whole it would probably be fairer than the current system.
The White House had a fact sheet which has since disappeared which showed that Orszag expected to cut something like $300 billion from Medicare over the next 10 years.
Makes no difference,they are bad news for ordinary working Americans
& the poor.
I stand corrected
Ok, I misspoke in my #20. I found the fact sheet the White House has been hiding via the wayback machine:
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090618114504/http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/
I actually have this in my Obama’s scandal list as well. I need to update the link though. The following are projected savings over 10 years. They do not include any changes to Medicare Advantage (If I recall those were projected at $176 billion, but they are a different issue).
Medicare and Medicaid Savings $309 billion
Additional Medicare and Medicaid Savings $313 billion
Breaking the $313 billion down
- Incorporate productivity adjustments into Medicare payment
updates $110
- Reduce hospital subsidies for treating the uninsured as
coverage increases $106 billion
- Pay better prices for Medicare Part D drugs $75 billion
- Other $22 billion
Total cuts to Medicare and Medicaid over 10 years = $309 billion + $313 billion = $622 billion. This is the reason why Orszag says he can’t find further money in these programs because he has already looted them. If you want you can subtract out the $75 billion deal with BigPharma, the total then would be $547 billion.
It depends on the characteristics of the VAT. We have VAT up the wazoo up here in Canada, but for lower and lower middle income earners, there are VAT refund checks that get mailed out for reimbursements.
yes, but basically TomThumb is correct. A VAT without the social support networks and free education is just a sop to the rich. they scoot on income tax and the burden (read higher rate by income) hits the middle class and the poor.
You can undo the VAT with refunds. But that is the same point, except that at true VAT-based tax system is married to strong social welfare programs, including health care and higher education.
This typical and no one should be really surprised that cabinet positions are filled with industry hacks that are looking only to the bottom line of the industry they represent and the money they will make once they go back into the industry whence they came. Richly rewarded as the dog is petted for bringing the paper to his master.
This has been going on for as long as we have had a “democracy”. We the masses elect the POTUS but they do the bidding of the aristocracy under the sage advise of the cabinet ministers.
I went to the NYT comments page for the op-ed – comments closed already at 176. Most on the order of Scarecrow’s argument; a very few supportive.
Good thing he’s out of the Obama Administration then, and thus totally without influence, right?
Right?
.. but Maddow thinks he’s cute and geeky & numbery – and wears a bowtie. He must be a good guy.
I am not one to bash Maddow and thinks she is good, but on this point way back when he first made his press tour (Orzzy) – I knew that could not be a good thing (a smart looking person with a D next to their name deserves any sort of pass).
That thinking is going to get us a minority president who does nothing for minorities, or a gay SCOTUS justice that is going to do nothing for gays, or … well I guess we will see if that has already happened.
Excellent frame, PS, very well done.
its also asking the people that voted for Obama to take the burden of a simple continuation of Bush policy….
What would the point of voting for Obama be again?
All that being said I was listending to the bat shit crazy right-wing talk radio (you know real out there discredited nuts like the millionair Hannity… how wait) – it almost makes you want to join in Kabuki theater – but every day its a new piece of shit. Obama would have to turn around the titanic to get my vote after Old Man Simpson runs rough over my people – hard working people. The R’s are debased and liars – the D’s are bad liars and seem only keep to take over the R’ old role (stale POS bait and switch).
Bingo!
My addendum is:
How can I buy your awesome products if I can’t earn any money???
Hire me, and you get more customers!!!
Again referring back to my #23 I think a big story here is that the White House is pulling reports from its site and sending them down the memory hole. It is a form of secrecy and responsibility dodging that I have not seen reported anywhere.
Interesting.
And whatever happened to that govt/lobbyist revolving doorstop policy?
I do believe the operative word re: Orszag is former. I wonder why he decided to spend more time with his family.
But as with a lot of Obama appointees who actually get to serve, I’m astonished at the choices. I had a little cognitive dissonance with orszag at the beginning of BO’s term (wtf is he talking about?) until my cynical disappointment caught up and said “oh”.
Orzag went to the same boarding school as Conrad and Gregg. Does that help with understanding what’s really up? The golden spoons are taking from the poor to give to the rest of their elite friends.
So the republican won’t allow a bill to extend the minor, practically invisible tax cuts for the “middle class” without including the rich. Fine. But the alternative is not necessarily including also the rich.
Just don’t do anything. Don’t pass any extension for anybody. For most of us this won’t amount to anything significant and will only be noticed by accountants. The republicans can’t pass anything by themselves – they are still a MINORITY in case anyone has forgotten.
There was a reason why these tax cuts had an expiration date on them. If they had been passed as permanent cuts, the deficit projections would have been so enormous that not even the Bush administration could face it and get them passed. It made no sense to give them and it makes no sense to keep them, not for anybody.
President Obama has gotten himself into this mess by buying into the tax cut/tax credit religion. All the democratic leaders have to say is, “OK, forget it. No extensions for anybody. Lets get on to something else.”
If the republicans want to cut taxes for the rich, let them do it. Why are the democrats carrying the weight for this? Could it be that a certain number of democrats want to give away tax money to the rich also?
Then let the republicans come up with a bill, push it and bring democrats over to their side to pass it. Then we will know for sure who is for us and who is against us.
Obama campaigned on repealing those tax cuts.
Hasnt there already been a “compromise” by instead just allowing them to expire?
If they do extend them, what would make anyone believe they will ever be repealed?
tetercreek@39
Exactly the point I made several days ago. Let them
(Bush tax cuts) ALL expire. Requires no action out
of Congress. However,we do need to “see” how this
will affect those with incomes under $75K . This info
should be posted on the FDL home page and elsewhere,
so a discussion can ensue. A possible remedy for those
under $75K- a partial SS tax holiday to balance out
losses (assuming that can be done without Congress).
By including ALL the cuts,Congress doesn’t have the
ability to cut deals with the “elites”,biz,etc.
I also oppose a VAT tax. Totally regressive.
Considering how piddly our share of the Bush tax cuts were, if I had a regular paycheck I’d be more than happy to give them up if it meant the upper classes had to do so as well.
I agree. If the House puts forward a bill that extends tax cuts for everyone except the very rich, the repubs can vote no, and the dems attack them for raising taxes. It’s good politics and good policy.
Soon enough he will be raking in the Really!big bucks in a lobbying firm.
No influence there.
let’s not forget most of congess are millionaires. so the tax are imortant to them personnaly
A VAT sucks! It’s regressive as hell. Tax the damn rich or forget about it.
Thanks for that biosketch.
Peter Orszag is considered to be an expert on pension systems, as is his brother Michael. Their father is a famous mathematician, Stephen Orszag.
I suspect that Peter had more than a little to do with the establishment of the Catfood Commission.
I also recall reading somewhere that Obama had a lot of interaction with the Hamilton Project and suspect that Peterson and Rubin had a lot to do with Obama’s decision to run for president.
Ultimately, VAT seems to be equivalent to a sales tax in its regressiveness.
There are ways to make a VAT less regressive. I’m no Michael Lind but dismissing any way to fund national social programs out of hand because it’s not a progressive tax is not a good idea.
Sooner or later, just as Europe has been forced to reconsider spending while still achieving the goals it wants, we’re going to have to reconsider taxation on all brackets, which has been slashed over and over for crass electoral reasons.
First taxes are slashed, and then when we get the deficit-reduction craze, as we do in this country over and over, instead of trying to correct on the tax-cut end (which is where we’ve gone to extremes, contra Europe’s welfare state), it pays off for politicians to just cut more spending and then add some more tax cuts for good measure.
The net result is a continuing culture where Americans believe, rightly, that they aren’t getting their money’s worth out of government. They don’t see any spending benefits, and so they want less money going into the government, and the spiral will continue until we freak out about how we don’t have a state to speak of anymore, if we ever do freak out about that before we hit a political emergency due to terrible living conditions.
If an adjusted VAT or a VAT-style luxury tax can provide that income, I’m all for it. However, the problem I have with Lind and NAF’s push is that it’s exactly like their demand for cracking down on illegal immigrants: it assumes that we already have an adequate social welfare structure in place. The only way to get a VAT through America is to show first why we desperately need to spend the money it would raise, and link it to a social spending bill.
there are so many idiotic rich people in important positions… no wonder the country is in such trouble!
Obama, is this your plan?
Absolutely right. But let me add one more sentence. It is the mother of all Regressive Taxes. If it is implemented everything price becomes double, corruption increases manifold, pure market competition except in Medical sector which made America the only super-power will become a thing of the past. It will hit the people who are least likely to afford it the most, standard of living of Americans goes equal to that of third world countries. They can push VAT on Americans only if there is Depression because we are not desperate enough for these kind of stuff yet.
It is the Social Security which is the stumbling block to all of this. Lets for Argument sake say Dow Index goes to zero tomorrow morning. Still at the start of the next month our seniors will get their savings back in the form of social security payments. Since they know they will continue to receive it they will spend it locally for daily chores which props our 30 to 40% of the economy. Viola Depression will never happen as long as social security is present. Thats why every congress last three decades is told it is in crisis and surprisingly when no action is taken it keeps on humming along. Now request to congress and senate. For your future, your childrens future and your constituents future just do nothing when one says social security is in crisis and reform is needed. You know bait and switch will be setup with tweaks by lobbyists to gut it down totally in a decade. That is the only way I think we can save social security right now which is the only thing standing between us facing Depression or Recession.
for thanos @49
I just recently imagined a US where all stopped paying taxes, everyone was given a gun and a hose, and police & firemen were all fired.So you get to take the law into your own hands (and put out your own fires). Homeschooling is already online to replace public education, so no need to concern ourselves about teh teachers we no longer pay for.
The worst part of all this for me is my republicant husband thinks it’s a great idea.
Lots of good comments here, especially by Hugh. I’ve got one on Orszag too, just posted. It comes at him from the MMT point of view.
How in the hell can anyone seriously write that a government tax cut is “essentially a gift” from the middle class to the wealthy?
Does he mean that if I buy milk and don’t give it to someone who makes less that I’ve received a gift of milk from that person?
I’m part of the middle class. I’m not wealthy. But I’m intelligent, and when I read that a tax cut for someone earning more than I make is equal to “Transferring money from the middle class to the rich”, it makes me wonder just how in the hell some loon who does not understand basic economics can write something like that and get it published. Who the hell hired this idiot?
Can we get an O’Reilly “No Spin” zone in here please?
Jeebus!
The author states; “When the government gives a tax cut — essentially a gift — to the richest Americans…” implies that the government ‘owns’ the money to begin with. This is incorrect. Taxes are government revenues forcibly collected on profits generated by private economic activity. That’s why number you calculate and pay taxes on every April 15th is called ‘earned’ income .and not ‘provided’ income.
Increasing marginal tax rates decreases revenues. This is not rocket science. If I have $2 million and leaving it in savings (at CD rates) earns me 2% (or $40,000) why should I invest my money anywhere else that might earn more interest? I’d rather pay the tax on the $40,000 than take a chance that I might make a 20% profit in the market and have to pay tax on $400,000. Rich people can afford to do this; move money to investment types that minimize taxes. How do you think they got rich to begin with?
Tax cuts don’t generate deficits; spending does. If you thought the Bush Administrations’ $500 billion deficit was criminal; what say you to the Obama Administration’s $1.5 trillion deficit?
The final nail in the coffin is this. Presidents don’t spend money, congress does. By constitutional law all spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives. Reagan had deficits because he had a democratic majority in Congress that outspent revenues. Clinton, on the other hand, had surpluses because he had a republican congress that reigned in spending. Both Bush and Obama have deficits because they both had/have democratic majorities in congress that also continually outspend revenues.
Even the posters at this site have to admit that spending beyond your means is trouble. If you only earn $30,000 a year you cannot spend $40,000. Likewise; if you only earn $2 trillion a year, you cannot spend $3 trillion. That’s just a recipe for disaster.