The Obama White House just announced details of a two-year federal wage freeze as a means to reduce federal spending and deficits. [David Dayen has more.] The move is obviously political and only symbolic, because the dollars involved are trivial in relation to the total deficit. But more important, the White House rationale confirms for the umpteenth time that the Obama White House’s economic thinking and priorities are deeply flawed.
From today’s White House Fact Sheet: [my bold]
Because of the irresponsibility of the past decade, the President inherited a $1.3 trillion projected deficit upon taking office and an economic crisis that threatened to put the nation into a second Great Depression. He moved quickly to get the economy moving again. Now, the economy is growing, and we have gained private sector jobs for the past 10 months. But families and businesses are still hurting, and our top priority is making sure that we are doing everything we can to help boost economic growth and spur job creation.
Now, we need to turn our attention to addressing the massive deficits we inherited and the unsustainable fiscal course that we are on. Doing so will take some very tough choices. Just as families and businesses around the nation have tightened their belts so must their government. That must be done in a targeted way that focuses our investments in what works and in what will lay the foundation for job creation and economic growth for years to come while cutting back elsewhere in our budget.
For the umpteenth time, the Obama White House has made the foolish mistake of confusing efforts to “boost economic growth and spur job creation” with the need for near-term deficit reduction. Even his economic team tried to keep the two different time frames — short run vs long-run — separate. And for the umpteenth time, this President has repeated discredited Republican gibberish that when households are having to cut back spending during a recession, government should do the same thing.
That’s just wrong. Foolishly wrong. Depressingly (literally), tragically wrong.
The economy is suffering from, among other things, the collapse of the housing market and it’s relationship to a massively fraudulent, rapacious financial system. When housing prices collapsed — and they’re not done yet — households lost over $6 trillion in wealth and families lost trillions in retirement savings. With 15 million unemployed and millions more living in job and health insecurity, typical non-wealthy households have no choice but to cut back. So private spending cannot pull the economy out of the ditch as it has in the past. But that is not true of the federal government.
Government spending can pull the economy up from the bottom. And only government has the resources and the power to fill in the gap in aggregate demand to bring the economy and jobs back.
A government with its own currency is not a household. It has different abilities, different ways of affecting the economy and paying for things. It controls the money supply. And it has different responsibilities, including the obligation to pull the economy out of a deep recession, to help create jobs and foster job creation in the private sector. To do this under today’s conditions requires enhanced spending/investments by government, not less. And there has never been a better time for government to act, nor has the cost of acting ever been lower.
It’s counterproductive and stupid for the President of the United States to keep telling Americans the false argument that government needs to tighten its belt when households are tightening theirs. And it’s even worse to falsely claim that by focusing on deficit reduction, the government is “doing everything we can to help boost economic growth and spur job creation.”
It’s clear from watching Ireland, Portugal and Spain that government-imposed austerity does not solve the problem of depressed demand. It makes it worse, deepening the recession, worsening unemployment and imposing pain on the populace while crippling government’s ability to act. We’re watching these countries test all of the Republican and neo-liberal doctrines, and they’re all failing, yet we pretend not to notice and follow the same path. Republicans would even force the US to act as though it’s Spain, even though Spain is trapped into austerity by the Euro. That’s mindless.
As DeLong often explains, those who have the ability to borrow (or create money) — e.g., the federal government — must do so when the private sector can’t or won’t. As Krugman recently wrote in discussing austerity in Ireland, “punishing the populace for the bankers’ sins is worse than a crime; it’s a mistake.”
This is not the first time this President has issued such, uh, unhelpful statements on the economy and deficit. Maybe he’s just badly served by economic or political advisers, or just doesn’t know any better. Either way, get some decent help, Mr. President, including someone who can tell you “NO!” the next time your instincts or advisers tell you to keep making the same mistakes, over and over.
John Chandley



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As Atrios tweeted a bit ago…”at this point it’s reasonable to conclude they have no idea what they’re doing”
Yeah. I hope that’s not the optimistic view.
Apparently it’s being spun as undercutting the GOP House’s plan to do the exact same thing:
Since when has caving in to Republican demands ever appeased them? All it does is make them push even harder.
“A government with its own currency is not a household. It has different abilities, different ways of affecting the economy and paying for things. It controls the money supply.”
This seems like a fatally flawed statement. The FRB is a privately owned central banker. The government has no sovereignty over ‘it’s’ currency, – not since 1913.
I guess they will do the same for themselves right?
What the heck is Obama doing? Is this Obama’s Federal version of Chris Dudley’s Minimum Wage attack? This is how Oregon voters responded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OebuJlb2z1E .
It’s like they’re following Hoover’s strategy from a history book that was published in first half of 1929.
How many ways can you say this is WRONG. Not only that, I see that unemployment benefits are expiring. Merry Christmas people, your President at work. Ever fucking hear about a veto or use your voice for some good once and awhile. But hey the wealthy will have a Merry when the dems extent the tax cuts and O griningly signs off. Fuck!@!!
Obama Flunks Economics with Pointless Federal Wage Freeze
this is only a flunk if obama it didn’t do what obama wants to do
obama wants to make civil service jobs on the bottom of the pay scale, he said so
the man is not the man we wanted, not the man we voted for, not the man that campaigned
He must know he can never be elected again. Soros tagged it right, when he proposed that if this Pres can’t do what we want give to someone else. Well, I havn’t got a barrel of money, but O WTF?
Generally speaking, beyond the politics of this, do you think our federal employees are currently being fairly compensated?
From my perspective as an employer, the base salaries of federal workers seem in line, but it is difficult to match the benefits.
BTW those PIIG countries that have opted for the austerity programs are gonna have a shit to get through it. It could bring them down even worse. It’s a great thing for the wealthy countries and the wealthy to push austerity over to the poor. It just makes them richer. WTF. Does nobody in the freakin world see it?
Way to go on screwing up the economy even more Oh Bummah! Lordy what an absolute bloody mess this guy in the WH is making of things.
Taking money out of the economy is just what we should not be doing, hell while the idiots in the WH are at it why not give tax cuts to the rich…that will take even more money out of the economy.
He really is an incompetent.
“… if obama didn’t do what obama wants to do….”
I no longer harbor any delusions about Obama. It is increasingly clear that he is getting everything he wants, exactly as planned.
Krugman nails it (as usual).
Freeze Frame
We should all be getting the damn “benefits” and we should all be getting a living wage and we should all be getting guaranteed 6 week vacations we should have a single payer health care system. What this country needs is a damn good dose of Socialism.
This is Agent Obama doing what Agent Obama does. It is time to start working to remove the man from office. Primary anyone?
Eh? We here all know that Obama’s a far-right NeoCon. All he’s doing is proving his NeoCon bona fides to his new “pals” in the House & Senate. Seriously, what did any of us who post here regularly *expect* from this Trojan Horse?
Not that I like it or agree… just saying… typical. Brace yourselves for much, much more of the same (and worse) is all I can say…
If these are his lame duck years, wouldn’t he thinking about his legacy? Is being a person reviled across the political spectrum the way he wants to be remembered?
Exactly. This is “Exhibit A” of Obama doing *exactly and precisely* what he WANTS to do, which is screw over the middle and working classes.
Yep, he isnt being pushed around by republicans this is what he wanted to do all along. The republicans sent us a trojan horse and we jumped on the bandwagon without inspecting the package.
cannot agree with your post more onitgoes
Obama’s actions make perfect sense if one entertains the idea that he is the bastard son of George H. W. Bush.
Late getting in here, but I knew the minute he said, “Civilian Federal Workers”.
It’s just the little people. Those at the top will not have to worry. There is plenty of money for them, just the regular folks will pay.
Tell me again why I must keep paying my mortgage payments?
You’re on to something, PP. There would be no need to take to the streets and erect barricades to effect a change of government. A few months of a nation-wide mortgage payment strike would surely bring about that result.
Health insurance is almost as expensive for lower level GS employees as it is for private sector employees. In the 13 years I worked at the VA Medical Center, Bay Pines, FL I couldn’t afford any of the health plans offered, at least not the ones that actually offered decent coverage.
A wage freeze is so asinine in so many ways that it is hard to count them. I suppose on the plus side, a wage freeze in a time of deflation actually comes out to a real wage increase, depending of course that it is the prices of what civil servants actually by that are falling. But the main point is that it makes absolutely no sense in the context of controlling the deficit, and represents a very flawed and at the present needless signal to credit markets that the United States (like Ireland) is prepared to inflict pain on itself to prove its credibility.
What is wrong with this man? He has simply given up on learning any sensible economics? He’s not stupid, and the relevant economics is not rocket science. He’s out of his depth. Very disappointing and very discouraging, since he was the best the Dems had to offer and no other potential candidate has any chance of winning. McCain could run again and win (and he’s probably contemplating it as we speak).
This is just awful. No other word for it.
Actually, the government paid for our mortgages in Tarp1. The banksters decided to bonus themselves for the great deal they made.
I haven’t read the comments yet, so hopefully I won’t be duplicative. I typed endlessly right from the beginning that O’s econ message of stim + deficit reduction via austerity was inchoate, incomprehensible & irresponsible. Back in the day, I used to think Nixon’s wage & price controls were the worst U.S. post-WWII econ policy, (Reagan was a distant second because in the end he showed some command of the obvious) but now O takes the cake. Again, he manages to find the sweet spot guaranteed to piss off the left & the right to the max degree. They couldn’t get it worse if they hired a really great economist, and paid him/her to do it completely wrong.
Summers is bound and determined to ensure that Shock Doctrine is well under way in the US before he goes back to Hahvahd to teach Friedmanomics to another generation of idiots.
It might actually make sense if it was the last thing done. After ending the wars, cutting defense (offense) spending, letting the tax cuts expire, ending pork, etc.
As it is, it’s just another gesture by a raging hypocrit.
Heh. Just had a creative thought. How ’bout the vote on the W tax cuts repeals those for the middle class & poor & extends those for the rich!
Wile E. Obama: “Ha! I’ll show those Republicans! I’ll do what they want to do before they attempt it!”
See also: Health care, Afghanistan, defense budget, etc.
It’s all part of O’s eleventy mention chess of getting the Rs to vote against their own policies. /s
I wonder what the public’s reaction would be were Obama to call for a reduction in the President’s pay to zero. I realize such a move would be purely symbolic, perhaps even cynical. Still…
“What is wrong with this man?”
Nothing. You are suffering from the delusion that his goals are the same as yours. Start with the premise that “what obama wants, obama gets”. Things will make much more sense.
Recent reports suggest that the catfood commission will not get the 14 out of 18 votes required to move their recommendations forward. Watch Obama jump on the Simpson/Rivlan recommendations and try to move their agenda forward anyway.
I was stunned by this announcement of a wage freeze. It’s the sort of mean-spiritedness that I would have expected from George W. Bush. What is wrong with our President? When I recently started visiting Firedoglake frequently, I was taken aback to see how many here believe the President to be acting in bad faith, but now I’m beginning to wonder whether they’re right. The midterms disaster by itself wouldn’t've swayed me, but several things he’s done since then are starting to make me wonder: the pre-cave and telegraphing of weakness on tax cuts for the rich; the continued talk of bipartisanship and compromise in the face of repeated and emphatic declarations of lack of interest in such things from the Republicans; and now this gratuitous gesture of hostility toward Federal employees, presumably to suck up to the Tea Partiers.
Incidentally, will someone explain to me why there are two separate mechanisms here for writing comments, or direct me to something I can read that will explain it? I’d like to know, for example, what the flags are for; why one mechanism allows formatting (italics, boldface, links, blockquotes, etc.) and the other does not; and what determines which system will be used for a given post.
So this is our number one priority over climate change, wars, and financial reform?!? (Carter also froze federal worker wages.) Clearly he believes he does not need his base because of all the republicans and independents who will vote for him. He may or may not get my vote, but Obama will never again get a penny of my money or a minute of my work. Having a bunch of small changes and ignoring fundamental problems is not fooling anybody on the left and pandering to the republicans will not get him a single vote on the right.
flailing away in the dark
good luck to all of us!
Why did Soros walk back his comments…?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/253495/soros-disses-obama-andrew-stiles
He really does need to go. He just continues to make things worse and worse. He can’t do anything right. The only thing I find more shocking are some of the comments on the URL above talking about how liberal Obama is… I don’t know what idiotic planet they come from.
We’re so screwed.
False advertising thy name is Obama!
FDL management recently rolled out a new version for diaries, aka MyFDL. It allows nested responses, which most of us old hands hate, and doesn’t allow all the other stuff you referred to, which also sucks imo. The flags allow you to flag comments you think are inappropriate, so moderators can take a look.
I suspect backstage crew is reviewing results to see where they go from here. I prefer the old system enormously, but I have no say.
Hope that helps your understandable confusion.
And welcome.
And also welcome to the world of O disillusionment. Better late than never to catch on.
If we’re going to freeze government worker pay, I agree that Obama should take a pay cut. He also should forgo and stupid state dinners or flying abroad for the remaining two years. He should also pull us out of our two wars and return is to a pre-WWII posture.
Lol.. All of that is about as likely as the other.
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Doesn’t matter what Soros says. By the time 2012 rolls around, O won’t be able to get an ostrich to vote for him.
At this point, Obama must know his re-election is shaky, and that he has lost the independents and the left.
He appears to be on a spiteful campaign to continually punch the DFHs.
He’s lost it and he’s determined many others will be punished for his loss.
Yup.
I can think of only two possible explanations for this:
1. Obama is consciously, deliberately collaborating with the Republicans and their corporate masters to totally destroy this country and obliterate any hope of recovery ever.
2. Obama is an idiot.
I don’t believe it’s number 2.
#1, with the modification that O’s deliberately out to destroy the D party once & for all, & #2 in that his neolibrul economics religious belief does not allow him to see that will destroy the economy, has been my top hypothesis for several months now.
What if I told you BUSH CHENEY never left DC in 2008. (all war is base on Deception SUN TZU)
OBAMA= BUSH CHENEY III
Remember “Charles Baudelaire quipped that the devil wins at the point where he manages convince the world that he doesn’t exist. Today’s financial elites will win the class war at the point where voters believe it doesn’t exist – and believe that Mr. Obama is trying to help them rather than shepherd them into debt peonage as the economy settles into debt deflation.”
Do you still think that there is not a war on the USA middle class?
Do you think Obama cares about average americans?
If you do, good luck in HELL!
Maybe we should start to address what we want for out next presidential candidate. Kinda like giving the criteria for our candidate before we have a candidate, or “Build it and they (he or she) will come (announce their candidacy)”. For me personally, Russ Feingold would be the perfect candidate, but more importantly, Obama would know that he has only a very short time to make profound changes in his administration’s objectives, or we will make it clear he DOES NOT HAVE OUR BACKING (if there is still anyone who is willing to give him another chance in the progressive party).
Food for thought. AB
I think you’re all missing the point: I’m a flaming liberal and I don’t give a fig if these feds don’t get raises. I haven’t seen a raise in years either so no biggie.
But why are so many posts on this site that Obama is stupid or misguided, rather than evil or a Republican at heart?
How many times do we have to see him sell us out before we believe it’s because he wants to sell us out?
Having seen the health care “reform” I think Obama is a Republican in Democratic clothing. He’s not stupid. He knows exactly what he’s doing and if it just happens to coincide with what big fat cats, billionaires, and rich corporations want, don’t think it’s accident or that he’s just stupid. He’s not.
I work as a nurse at a VA hospital, health insurance premiums going up at an alarming rate, if this is better and cheaper than the private sector one can only imagine what they are paying.
Our wages our “locality based” meaning we have to be in line with what other local hospitals pay their nurses.
I am also a reservist for the past 20 years, so I guess that makes me a double dipper. LOL
I consider myself an in the trenches gov’t worker, not a big shot. I knew when the tea partiers started complaining about “federal workers and their big salaries and pensions” before the election that I should be concerned.
So when is the primary run against Obama going to get started? First week after the new Congress is seated? Or are we going to let him destroy the country for another year or so before collectively coming to the conscious decision that he cannot represent the party in 2012.
He’s gotta go. He has to, we can’t take another trip on the merry go round. I was halfheartedly surprised that so many didn’t buy the Democrats crap in the midterms. They can’t just roll out the standard election bullshit and think that the minorities/female/LGBT community is going to blindly support the Democrats.
Things obviously are going to suck for the next two years, but depending on how further we go into this hole, it will decide whether either party gets another chance at the White House.
Obama is such a horrible disappointment. I am half tempted to look at the Daily Kos and see whether or not they’ve realized that yet.
This has to be a moral killer for the federal workers.
Knowing Obama will throw you under the bus to make a symbolic and trivial point.
Thanks so much for the tips! That does make it clearer.
“It allows nested responses, which most of us old hands hate, and doesn’t allow all the other stuff you referred to, which also sucks imo.”
Having now used both versions, I agree totally. I dislike nested comments intensely, because I want to have a single linear sequence for all the comments, and to know in what order they were posted. I also like numbers for the comments, so they can be referred to easily and unambiguously from outside contexts. The “show text” feature, and blockquoting, work much better for finding out what someone is replying to than the nesting misfeature does. Likewise, I really miss formatting. But, above all, I miss the preview function. I would like to see them revert totally to the older system, which to my mind wins on every count.
I never had a great deal of confidence in Obama; my feeling is that anything positive that he accomplishes (such as the healthcare bill, which I feel is still better than nothing) is gravy, and the real significance of 2008 is how many people voted and what they wanted, not what Obama actually does. But I didn’t expect Obama to continue as many malign Bush-era policies as he has.
The idea of primarying Obama presupposes that the Democratic party can be reformed, and I’m not sure that’s true. I think, at best, we’d get another fake progressive.
Sorry! Above respose was meant to be to wirerat1.
I can’t believe that I’m agreeing with the “professional left!” I’m a yellow dog Demeocrat but between caving on tax cuts, TSA scanners and patdowns, and now this stupid pointless pandering to the right-wing myth of the overpaid government worker and the faux hysteria over the deficit that was created on purpose by Republicans just so they could destroy social programs and whine about huge tax cuts for the rich while we get spit on, I’m just about to give up on Obama. Especially since the Dems shoved two of the best under the bus: Feingold and Grayson. Ok rant over. And I feel better. I still think Obama’s a hell of a lot better than any Republican currently in play and better than many Democrats. But where is his fire? His Chutzpah? And why are the Democrats all cowering in the corner? to paraphrase Yeats, the best have no conviction and the worst have all kinds of unwarranted zeal. Maybe, just maybe, the good guys are trying not to interrupt while the jerk are making an overreaching mistake?
He reminds me of some guy named Scrooge and the month before Christmas.
Thanks for the tips! I had already read the site rules and FAQs at the link you give. It might be well to add some of the answers to my questions (about the flags, for example) to the FAQ; I’m sure I’m not the only person to have such questions.
I must say that, overall, my experience on Firedoglake has been overwhelmingly positive, far more so than at any other political site on which I’ve spent any considerable amount of time. Please don’t misunderstand my taking issue with certain particular features.
What about Obama makes you call him a democrat?
have you viewed the list below? You need to
1st Obama endorses the Bush agenda of spying on and killing americans
2nd Obama attacks Unions (the F! the UAW moment screams republican)
3rd Obama double downs on Bush Wars, (now they are Obama wars)
4th Obama attacks Teacher Unions (teacher unions now hate OBAMA)
5th Obama does not attack the Banks? he bails them out? (sorta like what the GOP does)
6th Obama passes the Bob Dole Health Care Bill (Bob Dole is a republican)
7th Obama kills the Public Option
8Th Obama kills Drug Importation
9Th Obama APPOINTS an insurance executive to manage his health care Bill
10th Obama does not APPOINT Dawn Johnsen
11th Obama hand picks the cat food commission to destroy Social Security
12th Obama supports Blanche Lincoln, a candidate who hates Unions, and has no chance of winning
13 Guantanomo still open for business
14.Patriot Act renewed
15. renditions continue
16. Bernanke reappointed
17. Americans targeted for assassination
18 Obama is all for sending more USA jobs off shore
19 Obama is for tax cuts for the RICH!
20. Obama and the TSA porno Scandal
21 Obama freezes federal wages for 2 years
Obama is not that into real Progressives and Democrats
and the feeling is mutual
real Progressives and Democrats don’t care about Obama.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Scarecrow and the FDL walkin’ wounded:
Obama didn’t flunk economics, he is playin Herbert Hoover free market capitalism and is settin’ us up to turn the New Deal and our history on it’s head. We gotta start organizin’ around the wars and jobs and work to get Howard Dean back in charge of the DNC…we gotta give our kids a history lesson by example and make the 2012 Democratic Convention look like a Tea Party (a little Norwegian humor). And don’t tell me how we can find a charismatic leader to bring a third party utopia to our politics…blow up the Democratic Party and let the corporate fascists eat their own children. The only way a progressive candidate gets on the ballot is to push Obama off of it…and if he succeeds in gaining renomination of a rump Democratic Party THEN take the progressives out to a 3rd party behind the elected progressive Democrats. The people need a recognizable, anti-fascist alternative and the only way they get one is to show them that we don’t hafta start from scratch.
If a grassroots, progressive insurgency can start right now in local Democratic Party caucuses, with the immediate goal of gettin the DNC outta the hands of the Clintonbamabots, we ken make the 2012 convention a whol;e lotta fun.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, YOU CAN’T LET SOMEONE ELSE FIGHT YOUR WARS ANYMORE!!
I would agree with you, except that we have made specific what the candidate would have to do. And with the level of expertise of this site and others (progressive site, ie: Glen Greenwald), a fake progressive would quickly be shown as such, something we would make clear to the candidate.
Couldn’t tell from the first link above whether this includes federal (disabled) retirees . . . but expect it does. I recently went through 12 years of OPM payment slips. Each year, hubby gets a “raise” in his retirement, followed the next month by a change in his BC/BS payment. With 12 successive payment increases (and subsequent medical insurance adjustments, his retirement is now $12/month higher than it was in 1998. That $12/month doesn’t go very far nowadays.
Stupid is as stupid does!
I forget to add that our candidate would have to be a Democrat, to let Obama know he has challenge within his own party and that it is highly unlikely any third party could be formed AND BE AN EFFECTIVE CHALLENGE to Obama.
This is trial ballon precusor for future cuts to Social Security. It’s right in line with Simpsons Catfood Commission recommendations. Great job Obama! But you wouldn’t do a damn thing about the outrageous bonuses paid to failed Bank CEO’s and employees after the tax payers spent trillions to bail them out. Dump this clown. This is a freaking nightmare. The ghost of Herbert Hoover and Ronald Reagan rolled into one.
Citizen SouthernDragon:
Where have you been when we ‘ve needed you Brother Dragonman…there have been a whole buncha folks, includin’ lurkin’ moderators callin our GI’s out as “mercenaries” and nobody standin’ up to call these idiots out (except yours truly, and I been pushed back into the bunker). I don’t usually comment here durin the day anymore because I can’t stand the armchair radicals and passive-aggressive psuedo progressives who are gettin righteously fucked and they don’t even know that someone pulled down their pants…if you have Brother Raven’s position, tell ‘im I didn’t get it until just now.
Citizen SouthernDragon:
Check out the reply to your comment upstream…ken ya get me Raven’s GPS coordinates?
I don’t know. I think the Democratic Party *itself* is just too corrupted by corporate dollars. I’m feeling very “fool me once, shame on you” towards the Democratic party at the moment. I’m extremely close to defecting to the Greens, who make their candidates pledge to not accept even one corporate cent.
Implementing Republican policy before the Republicans can do it … that’s my explanation.
I agree and I particularly agree with your statement that neoliberalism is equivalent to a religious belief, which in Obama’s case is a faith-based certainty that he will be rewarded with power, riches, and wealth beyond measure, if he destroys the US economy with the Shock Doctrine heroically releasing the full creative potential of the markets.
Obama appears to be absolutely convinced that free markets and free trade are the best way to go despite overwhelming evidence that they don’t work. He acts like he never read a book by Charles Dickens or heard of the slave trade during the 18th and 19th centuries, contemporary human trafficking and associated debt slavery, child labor exploitation, monopolies, the 1911 Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in New York City that killed 146 women, the criminal activities of the TBTF robber banks in Foreclosure Gate, and numerous environmental disasters caused by unregulated corporate polluters like Exxon and BP. A person would almost have to be willfully ignorant not to know by now that free markets don’t work, never have worked, and never will work. His stubborn faith in neoliberalism reminds me of the fundies who insist that the world was created in 4004 BC, despite vast, overwhelming, and definitive evidence to the contrary.
And, yes. I agree that he’s destroying the Democratic Party that FDR built. In fact, I think he already accomplished that task. I no longer believe that anything useful can be accomplished by working within the Democratic Party.
Yeah, and stop taking 2,000 people with him on Asia trips. Yes, it was a support crew of 2,000 folks (including the infamous Deprak Chopra, CFO of the body-scanner enterprise).
Incompetent? No. I’m not so sure. Obama’s just another Republican (we used to call them Country Club Republicans/Obama has always wanted to be a member of the club) masquerading as a Democrat. He had to fake left to get nominated. It worked; the hippies pushed him over the finish line.
Only just another piece of evidence that our familiar TV political pundits are long overdue on refraining permanently from describing Obama as “brilliant”. Man, that ship has sailed long ago …
What is wrong with this man? Well, he’s a Republican masquerading as a Democrat. Obama’s the best thing to happen to the plutocracy since … GWBush … and Reagan.
I agree with you, but I have to add that getting a federal job is one of the very last avenues to a secure middle class existence, i.e., having health care and educating children. And that will be gone, soon. To be replaced with TSA contractor types putting their fingers in all sorts of places.
“What is wrong with our President?” He’s a just another sock puppet for the plutocrats. “Democrat/Republican” they get their money and marching orders from the same people. Wake up. You’ve been had!
For better or worse, I believe that Arnold Schwartzenegger does not accept a salary. I have some issues with Gov S., but this is one thing that I have to give him props for. It would be “nice” if Obummah & the rest of those scoundrals in DeeCee took at least a pay cut from their tax payer funded “salaries,” esp considering that they’re all on the corporate payola grift. Don’t hold your breath on that. They’re all greed-heads with massive entitlement syndromes. More for them; less for you.
I’m not sure if it was that many people. There is some confusion over that issue, which was lied about in the rightwing media machine. However, Deepak Chopra – of the rape-cancer machines – definitely went along.
I agree about making his delegations smaller, and taking less trips (although some are required), even as a symbolic gesture.
“He acts like he never read a book ”
Puh Leeeze. Of course he has! The dude doesn’t care! He’s got his and you can stuff it.
Destroying the Democratic Party that FDR built, or exposing the fact that it’s long dead?
I think it was originally killed by the DLC.
Agreed. There is a photo in today’s NYT of Obama walking & talking with his arms around (literally) Simpson & Bowles. I wanted to puke when I saw it. Obama looks suitably *humble* as he bows before his rightwing Overlords. We are so screwed. The caption to the photo should read: the President *sells out* the working & middle classes to upper class greedy sh*ts, Simpson & Bowles: bend over & get ready; so sorry: no lube.
“I’m just about to give up on Obama.”
Give up, give up, give up already! For crying out loud, can’t you see this guy’s a piece of $**t? Just another corporate sock puppet? How many times does he have to spit in your face before you get it?
This silly federal wage freeze doesn’t even qualify as rearranging the deck chairs. It is that minimal. Poor leadership, bad decisions…but what else is new?
Amen.
FDL is one of my favorite sites. But as an occasional commenter and longtime reader here at FDL, may I say that I also find nested comments difficult to follow. One is repeatedly forced to reread the entire list of comments/replies in order to find new responses. The numbered style used elsewhere at FDL is much better organized.
I’m in and out during the day but I haven’t seen anything like what you’re referring to. I’m rarely here in the evenings or late night. I thought we’d been through that broad brush troop painting bullshit. Got a lot of armchair warriors who like to shoot their mouths off. As for Raven, far as I know he’s still available via FB. I’ll see if I can give him a holler. Heh, the armchair warriors don’t want any part of Brother Raven, he’ll make ‘em run back to momma cryin’.
Well, but it’s vital that Americans understand that Republicans were right all along. What’s more important to Democrats than driving home the Republican agenda? Obviously nothing, since they’ve spent the last 30 years doing it.
I can’t blame you at all for wanting to switch to the Green Party. They are certainly worth a serious consideration. But the reality is, any third party candidate has little or no SERIOUS chance of success- and while that doesn’t make me very happy, I believe it is reality.
And this is why I think only a Democrat candidate has a chance to win. What is important, is that Obama realize now, that he will not have the progressive backing if he doesn’t immediately change his priorities, and we will present a challenger ( one who is known by the country, has a good progressive history, and will follow through on all the promises Obama made – hence my preference for Russ Feingold). and that challenger will be known soon.
I just don’t trust the Dems any more. I think every single one of them places the party (and their funding) over the American people. Did ANY of them honor the public option pledge? WHY did they lie???
I honestly think a third party challenge is MORE realistic than a primary challenge. The official “story” coming from the MSM and the forces behind it is “Obama needs to shift to the right”. Where are the Dem politicians challenging that notion?
Most in the Progressive Caucus seem to want to do the right thing, but *the Party itself* more or less somehow forces the good guys into doing bad things (like voting for fake HCR and calling it a “victory.) I’m just…ugg.
Maybe I’m just having an extremist leftwing moment. It’s all just so sad and infuriating.
I don’t think it’s his advisors and I don’t think he doesn’t know any better. His economic ideology is neo-liberal through and through. He’s far closer to Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher in his thinking than he is to FDR and the New Deal Democrats.
We have to recognize that and do all we can to remove him as soon as possible. By impeachment, if possible. By primarying him, if that fails, and through a third party run, if we must. The fact that Obama and his people have taken over the D Party is intolerable.
Sorry fuckno, I think you’re mistaken in this.
See here: http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm
here: http://www.treas.gov/topics/currency/
You also may find the discussion in this post useful:
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=12414
Bingo. Except for the “caving in” silliness.
1. Count votes.
2. figure out what is possible.
3. Take the best of the alternatives.
Whining aside, that has been the steady/predictable/competent strategy since January 20, 2009. Instead of tagging this move “caving in” you do understand that it avoids worse.
BTW: freezing Congressional salaries and requiring a 15% cut to Hill staff is next.
Bowles-Simpson Option 2. (Wyden-Gregg Reform) is a massive redistribution that is the opposite of regressive. Balancing the gas tax and dropping mortgage write-offs on houses over $500,000, there’s that itty-bitty increase of the Standard Deduction to $30,000 (and $15,000 for singles.)
Obama gets his way with this, he uses the Tea Party slogans to pull back 2% to 3% of top-bracket wealth a year. All of their favorite write-offs disappear and all the hedge fund and capital gains write-offs too.
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11294
Flunk economics ????? No-no-no. Not Obama and not me, either.
A president can’t just veto a Federal Budget after it is passed by both houses of Congress.
Everything stops. Federal workers go home.
Only the GOPer madmen would win.
Freezing Federal pay is straight Bowles-Simpson, but timed to start in 2012 instead of 2011.
Obama is being pushed by the GOPers in the House.
Can’t always get what you want…….. cuz its a democracy and you lost the effing election.
No surprise that VHA runs 1/2 to 1/3 the cost for specific treatments. There’s no phony referrals to pad bills (a.k.a. “practice defensive medicine.”) There’s the VistA system for first-rate medical record keeping.
My surgeries at VA were done perfectly. Life saving.
The best solution for health care would be to give the whole damn thing to VA/VHA. That’s the plan with Community Health Centers, getting $16-billion from Bernie Sanders & Co. inside the HCR Act.
Going to 14,000 clinics nationwide is a huge money saver compared to private operations. The Vermont model includes CHC hospitals. That state is pushing toward single-payer ASAP with backers such as IBM and the DoD contractor crowd.
What you guys smokin’ ????????????
BTW: losing the interim seat Massachusetts election was the start of this current mess. since then its been tough sledding for anything/everything sane.
Looks more like the Option 2. setup does get the 14 votes.
Keep Child Tax Credit and drop the last year of SS retirement change — that’s all it takes.
BTW: I’d love to see the military cut to $600-billion.
WTF has changed since 9/11 ??? Spending an extra $400-billion a year is insane. That’s what we are doing. Totally insane.
Just cut $300-billion and the whole Bowles-Simpson rush to chop MediCare is halved.
More to the point: getting them to vote against the interests of their benefactors, the billionaires and the banksters.
Read through Option 2. of Bowles-Simpson carefully. Not Option 1. Its Option 2. that matters.
Bottom line:
1. Accede to the wage freeze.
2. Stop any notion of doing RIFs.
RIF = reduction in force….. Federalese for firing people.
There is absolutely nothing that Obama can do to control the Federal Budget from the upcoming cycle.
He has zero influence on the house GOPers.
And they are out to screw the country so bad they get to blame Obamas for the screwing — using corporate media and the Citizens United flood of pro-fascist money — and win in 2012.
Traitorous con men ??? You heard it here.
Whining about Obama ??? That’s good for GOPer trolls. Particularly since everybody seems to agree that the House GOPers intended to force this move anyway. And they can, plus maybe forcing mass RIF firings.
“They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.”
- FDR
We didn’t hire Obama because he could vote count without using his fingers. We hired him to lead. But it’s clear now that Obama has no vision and cannot lead.
By your logic we’d have gotten what we wanted back in 2008 when we won the election.
And now, with dems still controlling the Senate and Executive… the Republicans get to dictate policy? get real!
Yeah, at the national level, we are told that every country is ‘living beyond it’s means’. Clearly that is BS.
It’s international finance run amuck.
What did you expect when he had Larry Summers cut Romer’s stimulus package by 33% and put Timmy Geithner in front of the TV camera’s to discuss his PPIP plans(heads: the banks win, tails: the public loses).
Then as a chaser, he punched thru the Heritage Foundation healthcare plan.
Absolutely. He’s gotta go ASAP. I’d even support a brave technician loading Nixon’s old resignation speech into Obama’s teleprompter.
No, what a good President would do is take his case to the American people. Share his vision. Rally the public against the GOPers.
Obama and the Democrats remind me of a 1980′s Yakov Smirnoff joke.
In America, you assassinate president.
In Soviet Russia, president assassinate you.
We’re living in Orwellian America where everything has been turned upside down. Instead of throwing the money changers from the temple like an FDR Democrat, Obama and the current Dems are allocating extra security details to protect the money changers.
~~~ModNote: Please go no further down this road.~~~
Barring some truly momentous sea change his legacy is already graved in stone: the only president worse than George Bush.
Just how much damage do you think he will do to the Democratic Party (and, by extension, the crumbs they occasionally toss Progressives) if he runs for re-election?
We needed FDR, what seem to have is a highly functioning autistic savant.
Instead of counting spilled toothpicks, he makes lofty speeches about ideals he is not even remotely acquainted with.
So now after giving Trillions to the bloated corporate banking system he’s going to “play republican” for a day and show he’s tough on Deficits by squeezing a group of civil servants. Ouch! How about leaving Afghanistan and saving BILLIONS where the majority of Americans would be supportive? People on the Right call Obama a “Socialist” but he’s just another lap dog of the corporate system. Could probably save more $$ by closing Guantanamo than by hurting the working men and women of the civil service, but THAT would require a spine…
Rayne, since you seem to be closer to TPTB than the rest of us plebes, can you suggest to them some sort of “vote.”
As noted above, most of us “old-timers” hate nested comments. We lament the loss of the various “edit” functions for posts @ myFDL. And who the hell needs a “flag” function? I’m not seeing here the myriad ads for cheap Gucci handbags that flourish over at Salon.
I’ve found this whole “revolution”/redesign a complete bust, but there’s nowhere to say so, except in occasional comments.
I have never read so many posts that I agree with. FDL is unified. We can move mountains.
It’s kind of amazing how everything the Democratic President, the Democratic Congress, and the Democratic Senate does wrong is somehow the Republicans’ fault…
Half my household income is from a federal job. I just said to my wife that she can never leave her job because the government is the only job left where you get treated decently.
Health care costs for someone buying it on their own run about $600/Mo for just you. Add a spouse it bumps to $900 or thereabouts. If you’ve got children or dependents it rises rapidly out of sight.
This is all variable depending on where you live and how gold-plated your coverage is.
Senator, Barack Obama pushed through the 700 billion bailout proposed by George Bush in record time. Is he a Republican in disguise? It seems we are the ones who assumed he would be another FDR, he didn’t tell us he would.
Since he is not going to get his act together, we had better get ours together.
I like Dennis Kucinich. I would also like to point out that Detroit with the highest poverty rate also has the highest crime rate. When you read murder rates for the city, they mean “inner city”. What has Barack Obama done for the “Black inner cities”?
Is Barack Obama the Black Democrat who became a “White Republican” after he got elected. Remember Shirley Sherod.
While this is true, it wont help us. I like Dennis Kucinich. If you read what he stands for, you might agree.
It’s time to look at our options, NOW!
Most unfortunately, you have no other option. It’s time to think new candidate 2012.
I am 100% with you brother. We are of one mind.
If what you say is true, Dennis Kucinich sure has me fooled. I don’t mean to infer that I actually talked to him, I’m just going by his record and his public statements.
Obama the Trojan Horse, how appropriate.
“How many times does he have to spit in your face before you get it?”
Until your eyes are so clogged with mucus that you can’t see the “-D” after his name.