In case you didn’t know, George Bush is still the effective President of the United States. The title of the New York Times lead article inadvertently proclaims this truth:
It’s as though George Bush is still President. And just consider what Bush redux is doing.
It seems our faux Democratic President, now in full moral and policy collapse, and with the mindset of what once passed for a moderate Republican, views his job as negotiating with the most radically conservative wing of his radically conservative party to give them what they want, while throwing a bone to the mantle of compassionate conservatism. Give the jobless benefits for another year at a cost of about $60 billion, but pay for it politically — deficit? what deficit? — with another bailout to the rich — an outright gift of $40 to $60 billions each year over two or three years that will surely grow to $700 billion in a decade and trillions more in those later decades when we’re supposed to be hysterical over a gap in Social Security.
So the jobless get a few hundred per month so they don’t have to live in their cars, unless they’re also losing their homes, and the rich get a cool hundred billion or two and trillions later. That’s damned expensive uemployment insurance, especially when you don’t have a meaningful program to put people back to work. Any morally sentient being would call this blackmail, extortion, and arrest the perps, but we don’t do that in America anymore. . . .
If you were the GOP leadership, your goals would be to continue these massive wealth transfers to your wealthiest contributors, disgrace the Democratic President, decimate and demoralize his party and then claim credit for lowering taxes. Then, as HuffPost’s Howard Fineman explains, you convince the President to make Nancy Pelosi round up enough defeated Blue Dogs and conservaDems to join Republicans to get this travesty through the House. If Nancy does it, she betrays and demoralizes her Party; if she refuses, well, they’ll just demonize her again. They’re good at it.
Today’s Paul Krugman column, Let’s not make a deal, explains how giving in to the GOP/Bush/Obama blackmail is bad public policy:
The answer is that they should just say no. If G.O.P. intransigence means that taxes rise at the end of this month, so be it.
Think about the logic of the situation. Right now, the Republicans see themselves as successful blackmailers, holding a clear upper hand. President Obama, they believe, wouldn’t dare preside over a broad tax increase while the economy is depressed. And they therefore believe that he will give in to their demands.
But while raising taxes when unemployment is high is a bad thing, there are worse things. And a cold, hard look at the consequences of giving in to the G.O.P. now suggests that saying no, and letting the Bush tax cuts expire on schedule, is the lesser of two evils. . . .
America, however, cannot afford to make those cuts permanent. We’re talking about almost $4 trillion in lost revenue just over the next decade; over the next 75 years, the revenue loss would be more than three times the entire projected Social Security shortfall. So giving in to Republican demands would mean risking a major fiscal crisis — a crisis that could be resolved only by making savage cuts in federal spending.
And we’re not talking about government programs nobody cares about: the only way to cut spending enough to pay for the Bush tax cuts in the long run would be to dismantle large parts of Social Security and Medicare.
This is a litmus test for determining whether there is a Democratic Party worth saving. Perhaps the verdict is already in. But they can choose to stand for protecting the structures that built and provided security for the middle class, or they can join the GOP in letting the wealthiest continue looting the country’s wealth and concentrating it in the hands of a tiny few. That strategy is destroying everything progressives have accomplished over decades.
Looks like a no-brainer, if you have a heart.
Update: Same theme but far more eloquent post from Jamie Galbraith at HuffPost: Whose Side is the White House On?
Recovery begins with realism and there is nothing to be gained by kidding ourselves. On the topics that I know most about, the administration is beyond being a disappointment. It’s beyond inept, unprepared, weak, and ineffective. Four and again two years ago, the people demanded change. As a candidate, the President promised change. In foreign policy and the core economic policies, he delivered continuity instead. That was true on Afghanistan and it was and is true in economic policy, especially in respect to the banks. What we got was George W. Bush’s policies without Bush’s toughness, without his in-your-face refusal to compromise prematurely. Without what he himself calls his understanding that you do not negotiate with yourself.
It’s a measure of where we are, I think, that at a meeting of Americans for Democratic Action, you find me comparing President Obama unfavorably to President George W. Bush. . . .
What is at stake in the long run? Two things, mainly, in my view. First, it seems to me that we as progressives need to make an honorable defense of the great legacies of the New Deal and Great Society — programs and institutions that brought America out of the Great Depression and bought us through the Second World War, brought us to our period of greatest prosperity, and the greatest advances in social justice. Social Security, Medicare, housing finance — the front-line right now is the foreclosure crisis, the crisis, I should say, of foreclosure fraud — the progressive tax code, anti-poverty policy, public investment, public safety, and human and civil rights. We are going to lose these battles– get used to it. But we need to make an honorable fight, to state clearly what our principles are and to lay down a record which is trustworthy for the future.
Beyond this, bold proposals are what we should be advancing now; even when they lose, they have their value. . . .
Read the whole thing.




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Campaign slogan for 2012: “No Bush Four!”
Unfortunately, it is abundantly evident that Obama lacks both heart and brain.
Unsurprised. If anyone isn’t clear yet that Obama is NeoCon Republican, they haven’t been paying attention at all. Time to wake up and smell the coffee. What we’ve got going on here is Bushco III. Nothing more, nothing less.
The wealthy will continue to rip off the proles whilst much of the population – right, left & center – continues to genuflect to the Overlords. Go figure… Moloch must be fed.
And courage. He’s hit the Oz trifecta.
So I watched last night’s WikiLeaks Special Documentary – Iraq’s Secret War Files (link: http://livetvstation.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileaks-special-us-war-crimes.html ). The last portion of the broadcast is the film, “Inside Iraq: The Untold Stories” (link: http://www.insideiraqthemovie.com ). About time point 1:29:00, you get a tour of the Camp Anaconda dump where units leaving post for another assignment are just dumping everything and taking off. 30 to 40 young Iraq children wait at the edge of the dump, held back by concertina wire and risk getting a bullet to get inside and scavenge. “Anaconda dump is a cafeteria, a hardware store, a building improvement center, and a weapons factory all in one convenient location.” Ground-to-aircraft radios, cases of meat, boots, spare parts delivered straight from the factory still strapped to the pallet and much more is found in Camp Anaconda’s dump. Now I want to point out that we can’t even get an extension of unemployment or every needy person on food stamps but the military leaves the equivalent aid in a dump in the desert in the Middle East with razor wire around it. You have a say in ending this charade. You can read about what some are doing tomorrow in “StopBanque — Move Your Money In France” (link: http://moveyourmoney.info/archives/3473 ).
Saw a headline somewhere last night saying something to the effect that we might as well all give up as the moneyed interests of the US are in absolute control of everything and there’s no way out, no going back. Was too tired to stop and read, altho I wasn’t up to more despair and so wouldn’t have stopped anyway.
“Any morally sentient being would call this blackmail, extortion, and arrest the perps, but we don’t do that in America anymore.”
So if we don’t do that anymore, what can we do?
I’m praying for Assange’s safety and longevity.
Thanks for carrying on the analysis.
Blessings,
There’s always something you can do. As I found out, the MOTU have a total freakout/meltdown when you take your energy out of the consolidated, centralized system they use to abuse the rest of us, take your money out of their hands (see http://robinhoodtax.org for the British version) and bring it super local including moving your account to some small, neighborhood-owned and controlled credit union or building society. Get the facts by going through all the links in http://moveyourmoney.info/archives/3473 .
** How do you pay for tax cuts for the wealthy ?
1. First attempt : threatening Social Security and Medicare Cut through the deficit panel.
2. Second attempt : holding the desperate Hostage, say, the Ransom.
How long will it take for Obama to learn that we think compromise is a synonym for unconditional surrender, or another Bush-era?
** The deal based on the outright lies and supportive Dead Media will lead to another Bush-era & irreversible RECESSION.
1. The reps uses the recession as an excuse for tax cuts for the wealthy.
THIS IS A MIDDLE CLASS RECESSION.
2. The Republican Senate minority leader has been arguing that the outcome of the midterm elections confers a mandate on Congress to extend the Bush-era tax cuts.
“There’s bipartisan opposition to raising taxes on anyone at this time.”
(a). Only 34 percent of Americans believe that tax cuts ought to be extended for those households making more than $250000 a year, according to a new CNN poll.
(b). A recent CBS News poll indicated that Only 26 percent indicated they support extending the tax cuts for all Americans regardless of income level
(c). In the AP-CNBC poll, 34 percent favor extending the tax cuts for all Americans.
(d). A recent Gallup poll found 40 percent favor maintaining the Bush-era tax cuts for all Americans.
3. The reps road the waves of deficit reduction just 2 months ago.
Now, 2 months later they are set to increase the deficit and increase the governments debt ceiling just so they can give themselves and their rich pals more money.
This isn’t what Americans voted for.
4. Tax cut for small businesses.
A small business bill was blocked for weeks by a republican filibuster in the Senate.
5. Tax cut for job creation.
(a). There is no evidence that the tax cuts created even a single job.
Back when Bush was pushing his tax cut packages through Congress in 2001 and 2003, supporters said the cuts (which weren’t balanced with spending reductions) would initiate an era in which the American economy would grow so robustly the nation would be running a surplus of more than $5 trillion at the scheduled expiration date. U.S. now runs a deficit of about $1.3 trillion.
In fact, the available evidence is the exact opposite:
Former President Bill Clinton left a record surplus and created 20 million jobs, despite the warning of potential economic disaster over tax increase for the wealthiest.
(b). Your Waterloo = our windfall.
Even when the economy was on the cusp of entire collapse just like Lehman Brothers ahead of the roll-out of stimulus package, it was held hostage by Audacity of Nope, and the time was running out.
Power first then said : Nope ! How do we pay for it ?, Just let it go under exactly like Lehman Brothers.
6. The GOP along with Big Business bought this past midterm election.
The structure that the last champion is authorized to pick the next match winner .
The ruling that allowed Corporate money to back Political Candidates destroyed the very fabric of the Elections and Americans are paying dearly for it.
The incessant barrage of negative campaign ads drove most Americans towards something they knew nothing about, the Republican/Corporate take-over of the US. Millions upon millions were spent to defeat certain Democrats.
7. From my perspective, Communism & extreme Capitalism have one thing in common : Power First, Corruption at the cost of people !
Hey we know what we need to do so lets get around to doing it. Obama has to go and it is up to us to see that he is shown the door in 2012.
When will folks accept that this is what Obama and the Dems wanted all along – we knew the outlines of the “deal” weeks ago. The evil Republicans would force the helpless Dems to give into their wishes – all that is left to be done is to give the rich a big check so the poor unemployed folks can eat.
Just some more theater for our consumption while in reality both Parties are doing what they wanted to do all along. The must be laughing their butts off in DC how they pulled another one over on the poor stupid clods out in the hinderlands.
Actually, Poppy Bush is still in charge. All the neocon agenda points are slowly being ticked off the list.
Oh! Let’s not forget Wall Streets announcement today about getting their bonuses early if there was no determination on the tax cuts. They want it now, so they don’t have to pay larger taxes.
See, it’s all simple. Nothing but a few hundred a month for all the millions unemployed and still able to draw benefits, but loads for the crooks.
All you limo-liberals who care more about quiet streets and civil stabilty than economic equality of oppurtunity should be tickled that Obama has caved. If he had told them no deal,thousands would have been cut off and actually started looking not for job to but to work, a big difference. This would have had two effects that progressives like myself deem wonderful. More desperate folks chasing fewer jobs. More folks who will learn that the rich people think they are nothing but trash.This will wake them up and they will become fanatics against inherited wealth and our ridiculous tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber political system. They will take to the streets demanding an end to war and government largess to the corporations. When they do get a dead end job and learn how sour the milk is on the hind teat. they will flock to the polls but not to elect touchy feelies but hard hearted union men who will at last bring us equality of oppurtunity and not result. As it is Obama has only made this glorius event a little later to come alive. Forget gay rights, abortion rights, global warming, and immigration reform. Progressives need to unleash these tigers on our oppressors.
Zenostoa
I have a sign in front of my house. It says “Obama, the new Hoover.” I’m taking flack for it, but I don’t care. He’s awful.
I’m not sure that I could possibly refer to Obama as a “moderate” Republican. I see him as a hard right “let them eat cake” Republican who will never change.
Obama and the congressional Dems are saving me a trip to the voting booth in 2012. I refuse to vote for Republican lite. Let the revolution begin…if anyone still cares.
Buy SILVER!!!! Put JP MORGAN out of business!!!!
Obama is way to the right of moderate Republicans and has less integrity than any of them.
Apologies. My comment to the main article showed up as a reply to “geno”.
Obama is an extreme right-winger who is more conservative than the Republican right-wing. His contempt for the law and the American people is coldblooded and cruel.
Right.
Gerald Ford was a moderate republican. Obama is to his right.
And for all the hell-bound damnation of Nixon, Dick was far to Obama’s left–earned income tax credit, a push for a medicare buy-in, founding the EPA, expansion of the safety net, etc.
And in Nixon’s fondest dreams, he could not have imagined the open endorsement of extra-judicial assassination by the president.
I care and thousands of fed up fanatics like myself care. See you in the streets.
Zenostoa
wonder how long this can last. what else is there to steal, give away or loot?
Obama seems to know the “right” moves on how to help.
such interesting times. i wish i wasn’t an American. Shame, Shame, Shame!
And it doesn’t even address 99ers. I guess they can’t do that because then the real unemployment numbers would be front and center. Worse than Bush.
Hear! Hear! He’s a typical Plutocrat Republican in fact.
We just heard the news, Obama folded. Two more years of tax cuts for the wealthy. The downside?
“I’m not voting for this guy, again.” That was me. My wife? “Neither am I.”
Blew 500 bucks on the Obama campaign in 2008. Not that Hillary would have been better, sleeping with Republican-Lite Bill as she does, but never again that kind of waste from these progressive-liberals.
Who will lead the country out of this Gordion knot of duplicity, corruption, subterfuge, greed, and cowardice.?
You guys ready for a general strike yet?
Two more votes lost in this household as well.
It seems to me that it’s time to decide who we want to back for a primary run. I’m so jaded and cynical that I dare not suggest anyone, for fear of being stabbed in the back again.
You will.
I knew we were screwed during the primaries, when the favorite tactic of Obama’s supporters was to call their fellow Democrats raxists.
At this point, I don’t think primarying Obama is the right thing to do. Think about it; no matter what we do in the elected-official political realm, we’ll end up with a President none of us want, but one the “owners” want.
We’ll get Obama, or Obama+. Unacceptable.
BUT! If the proper vilification and mocking is made of the Banksters, just the big 6 and their CEOs and their folks who make a million or more per year, think who much that could impact things.
I’m not just talking FDL – I’m saying that if you could get a big chunk of the prog blogs to concentrate fire on the MOTUs, relentlessly, it will drive some media narrative. For instance, do you really think Vikram Pandit doesn’t have some skeletons in his closet? Expose them. THe media can’t help themselves in Spitzer-like fits.
Take out the banksters and the media narrative will shift in the next election cycle. I just can’t think of anything else that really will.
I wrote the post early this morning, long before the details were out and the Prez made his speech this evening. Here’s a link to his statement:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/06/statement-president-tax-cuts-and-unemployment-benefits
Obviously, there’s more in the “framework” than a two year extension of Bush-era tax rates versus an extension of unemployment benefits for 2011.
There are one-year extensions of the stimulus bill credits for earned income and education, plus a 2% cut of the employee portion of FICA payroll tax from 6.2% to 4.2%. These are worth about $150 billion. As effective stimulus, they tend to rate better (have higher multiplier effects) than tax cuts for the wealthy. The best effects come from spending for those in need, e.g., unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc, because these folks have a much higher tendency to spend than those well off.
The other items — business breaks for investments — are not likely to do much, because without a stronger recovery, there’s still little reason for business to be investing in new equipment. If businesses comes to believe that a strong recovery is around the corner, then it’s conceivable they would pull investments they would eventually make forward in time and that would accelerate the recovery, but I haven’t seen much evidence business believes that. The key, as it has been from the start, is increased demand. We’re getting some from the better tax cuts, but not nearly enough.
F*ck Obama, just f*ck him.
ENOUGH!
BushCo’s signature disasters = the mideast wars and tax cuts for the rich. Obama has escalated the former and will now extend the latter. Bush is down in Texas laughing his nuts off.
blow out deficits in favor of increasing the concentration of wealth?
Isn’t that what got us in this mess?
https://sites.google.com/site/evernewecon
We need a new candidate for pres in 2012
The Rich seem to have forgotten just how much the dollar has gone down in value under Bush/Obama policy anyone remember gas at $1.25 a gallon under Clinton?
Sure the rich got richer under Obama /Bush but unless their wealth more than doubled in the last 10 years they lost money too.
But they still want to double down on a 10 year losing bet?
All day long I’ve been hearing the late Sen. Kennedy’s prophetic words, uttered in 1994, echoing in my head:
“If the Democrats run for cover, if we become pale carbon copies of the opposition, we will lose–and deserve to lose. The last thing this country needs is two Republican parties.”
Requiescat im pace, Senator.
To continue, we can now rebalance the deal, as David Dayen has suggested: For about $200-$300 in moderately effective tax-based stimulus, plus extending UI for a year, we have to swallow about $100 billion in outright gifts to the wealthy plus an unacceptably low tax and high exemption for inheritance taxes.
Jaime Galbraith, whom you might expect to be highly critical, now appearing on MSNBC’s Last Word, concludes the deal is “defensible” because of the improved balance and the expected effectiveness of the 2% payroll tax reduction.
Everything is on schedule, please move along.
This won’t last, the wh will change it shortly after it’s signed. Yes it won’t be for the little people.
Bush is down in Texas laughing his nuts off.
Nope he’s to stoned to even know what’s happening around him, like the 8 yrs he served a prison term at lest to him.
Is Bill (I lost a million dollars gambling) Bennet in charge of our economic policy?
Bill when first confronted with his gambling claimed he won more than he lost then his actual losses from the casino’s were made public.
Bush/Obama have 10 years of losses that are public but much like Bill Bennet they won’t stop gambling.
The organization process of a real third party has to start somewhere. It ain’t gonna win the first time out no matter what happens.
If we’ve gotta do the process, let’s get on with it now.
There’s a reason Alan Keyes never dropped the “Hussein” bomb (in public) against Obama during that 2004 Illinois senate race, http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/02/middle-name-cal.html WHICH IS VERY UN-REPUBLICAN-LIKE. And the republican party imported Keyes from Maryland, when they could have put a local republican in that race (then drop the “Hussein” bomb) and had a hell of a lot better chance of winning. To me, this all has that republican-establishment-red-carpeting-Obama-into-the-senate,-then-to the-presidency-as-a-Democrat (because an African American running as a republican would never get elected) look to it. Especially considering republicans didn’t drop the Hussein bomb until the middle of the 2008 presidential campaign, when was already common knowledge.
But I don’t really consider Obama a “republican plant”, just another “bipartisan” corporate political establishment plant. I don’t get too distracted by Ds and Rs these days; I just look at what they do. And when ‘what they do’ doesn’t add up, there’s always a reason.
Forget econ wonks to talk about economic policy we need gambling, drug and alcohol abuse therapists to discuss what happens when we give junkies a bunch of money.
First they spend it, then they make excuses, third they look for more money.
Larry O’donnel is awesome.
He takes an argument, gets two “democrats” to agree that liberals are bitching, then O’donnel joins in and asks why liberals keep whining when we got “all that we wanted with healthcare reform.”
I swear to god I’d beat the shit out of him if I saw him in real life.
In every last one of O’donnels debates the answer always seems to be it’s the liberals fault we need to be more blue doggy…even though blue dogs couldn’t hold seats to save their lives.
“I’m saying that if you could get a big chunk of the prog blogs to concentrate fire on the MOTUs, relentlessly, it will drive some media narrative.”
I’m inclined to think that the banking criminality might have some traction with teabagger-type blogs, also. For starters, they absolutely detest the Fed. Maybe we can make them understand that the Fed is essentially the enabler for the large bank criminality.
Or maybe I’m just nuts.
There is good and bad in this deal. The reduction in the payroll tax would seem to be important in terms of equity and stimulative impact.
Keeping qualified dividends and cap gains at 15% is asinine and worse.
The estate tax you could argue round or flat.
The Bush Administration was at least comparatively more predictable and had a comparatively better civil liberties record.
I have X’d Obama from my world.
Also all the other shameful venal mob fucks comprising our so-called representative government.
Where are those in the Democratic party who will halt Obama’s death march [i.e., death for all of us not among the elite]?
There’s no reason for any “true” Democrat to stick with or defend Obama; his ratings are in the cellar.
Why isn’t there an uprising, a la Bernie Sanders, speaking out against this travesty, and in defense of the American people?
Do they not recognize that Obama has poisoned the Democratic “brand,” and they’re going to have to break with him, eject him from the party, and reestablish what it means to be a Democrat.
Not until Obama wholly disowns the Catfood Commission. Until that time it’s bad and worse as it will just come out of Social Security and Medicare.
Taking the number 2 and the number 3 and adding them to get the number 5 isn’t nuts. It’s math.
What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with intelligence. He *wants* to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Who primarily funded his campaign? The financial institutions. He is just extremely friendly to big business–a modern Bill Clinton. All of this is just theater.
the republican party imported Keyes from Maryland, when they could have put a local republican in that race (then drop the “Hussein” bomb) and had a hell of a lot better chance of winning.
That year Governor Ryan was investigated for selling a truck drivers license to a Hispanic Immigrant who crashed and killed a minister’s wife and kids. Rolondo Cruz got free so another GOPer named Ryan lost his race, another Ryan who was suppose to run against Obama took his wife to a sex club and made her cry. Lots of negative branding for the GOP repeated by all the evil Ryans who were GOP and running that year.
Plus Cal Skinner state Rep his wife leaving the country because she thought he was abusing their kid finally made the papers about 10 years after it happened the day after the previous election.
That year no GOPer was going to win in Illinois.
Another point is to ask “what’s missing.” The first thing is there’s been no mention of raising the debt ceiling, which must be done by early next year and more so because of the renewed tax cuts — e.g., the 2% cut in payroll taxes adds another $120 billion; the unemployment benefits, about $60 billion, etc.
So what’s to keep the TeaParty GOP from demanding in January that at least unemployment benefits be “offset” by further spending cuts as the condition for not holding the debt ceiling hostage?
As David Dayen noted, when he asked the “senior officials” on the conference call about this, the answer was a dodge.
If he was right then why did the Blue Dogs and not the progressives get hit harder this election? Another election like this one and Obama might not have any Blue Dogs left to give him cover.
I doubt it.
Dubya is probably still drunk and depressed over his Texas Rangers getting pounded by San Francisco in the World Series.
Whats left to say ? The differences between republicans and democrats are little more than subtle nuances in their lip service approach to the electorate. The two party system is broken and the vote is rigged.
We need to organize outside of the voting booth and spend more time directly opposing our mutually assured destruction through direct actions such as general strikes and squattering houses that have been foreclosed upon along side their rightful owners.
When you government claims the right to assassinate you, spy on it’s citizenry without over sight , conduct transparently unjust wars for resources , torture , kidnap , indefinitely detain without charges and use the army and private contractors on it’s own population then it is time to stop kidding ourselves that change through the usual channels is viable.
Satyagraha
The fact is that if the entire population were to switch their house light off and on in unison the entire kabuki theater would burn to the ground over night .
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~~~ModNote: Violence as a current political solution is not tolerated at FDL, regardless of the language.~~~
Helicopter Ben seems to think the economy might take 5 years to recover guess what GOP Obama losses the Presidency in 2 years.
3 years of more tax cuts and we will be using the Dollar as wallpaper.
You have to do all the above, actually.
Fix the Debt how end both wars, National Healthcare like France has and drug price controls, next Green power to put people back to work Green cars to cut our dependence on oil and cut off the money Ossama gets from Arab oil men.
No need to cut SS but there is a need to end the ponzi scheme completely.
Maybe someday you Progressive types will catch on that this is not Obama, but the Democratic Party in all its’ splendor. WAKE UP
“with another bailout to the rich — an outright gift of $40 to $60 billions each year over two or three years that will surely grow to $700 billion in a decade and trillions more in those later decades when we’re supposed to be hysterical over a gap in Social Security.
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If you were the GOP leadership, your goals would be to continue these massive wealth transfers to your wealthiest contributors….”
Letting somebody keep their own money is a “bailout”? An outright gift? A massive wealth transfer? Evidently all money belongs to the government then and we just get to keep and spend whatever they think is right.
Will the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan even be on budget or like a moron will Obama let the GOP brag about fixing the debt when the war debt won’t be addressed at all?
I do not advocate violence , it would be a disaster.
However, direct non violent confrontation satyagraha , has been the best vehicle for change in the worst situations we have found ourselves in .
Without satyagraha Gandhi would never have expelled England , south Africa would never have ended apartheid and blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus .
“OBAMA” did what Bush or McSame could not have accomlished if they were president. With our economy cratering under their 10 years of failed policies, they could not have passed this tax gift to the wealthy and their inheritance.
Thanks OBAMA and DEMS….you continue to make us a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
BANKSTERS, CORPORATE LEADERS, AND ALL REPUG/DEM POLITICIANS.
HOPE YOU RICH PEOPLE ENJOY THE EXTRA MONEY IN YOUR CHRISTMAS STOCKINGS.
THE REST OF US ARE JUST “little people.”
what I advocated (and you removed) is not violence but it is confrontational ! Gandhi and MLK did no less .
All the more reason for republicans to buy themselves a Democrat.
Obama: The Great Capitulator
One follows him down at their own risk. The Democrats as a whole, too. They stand for nothing.
Baroque OilyBumbler is Herbert Hoover turbo charged to the nth degree. He doesn’t care about you or me. He’s a sociopath, allowing the People to starve.
Today, at work, I helped a 77 yr old veteran looking for food stamps and affordable housing. You think OilyBumbler gives a shit about him or the millions of others just like him?
OilyBumbler is a fucking disgrace, as is the entire US elite.
We’ll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
Change it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fall that’s all
But the world looks just the same
And history ain’t changed
‘Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!
I’ll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?
There’s nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
They are simply starving the poor to feed the rich. And they don’t care at all, they’re not feeling any pain. They have theirs and too bad for the rest of us. Their complete inhumanity and immorality sickens me.
It’s an amazing day.. We just witnessed the complete collapse of an American Presidency before our very eyes…
Nixon kept the 70% top tax bracket through his whole Presidency.
Barry Goldwater said he supported the 70% top tax bracket when he ran against LBJ.
Scarecrow, you might have seen Sam Stein’s take at HuffPo. I want to produce an itemized invoice on this thing, similar to what you started but including every cost item or dollar amount we can identify.
Here’s Stein’s first cut (the numbers are all from his initial post at 5:22 pm http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/06/obama-tax-cut-compromise_n_792776.html?view=print):
“In exchange for allowing those rates to continue for two years, Republicans agreed to extend unemployment insurance for an additional 13 months, to offer a two-percent employee side payroll tax credit (at a cost of about $120 billion), and $40 billion in tax breaks for families and students (including a $1,000 child tax credit extended for two years and an expansion of the earned income tax credit)
The final deal would allow businesses to write off 100 percent of purchases of outdated equipment — another key element of Obama’s fiscal plans. There also would be a compromise on the estate tax, which will be set for two years at 35 percent, with a $5 million exemption amount, according to the Daily Caller, which first reported the arrangement.
Briefing The Huffington Post about the deal, which could be announced as early as Monday night, the two senior administration officials claimed that they were able to get more bang for their buck than previously imagined. The costs for the payroll tax holidays, UI and other refundable credits come in at roughly $215 billion over two years. The extensions of the income tax rates strictly for the wealthy is estimated to cost about $95 billion. All of it is unpaid for. But the former provisions are more stimulative than the latter.”
So, what do we got?
Stein sez:
13 months unemployment + $120B payroll tax cut + $40B refundable credits=$215B over two years, so UI alone=$55 billion for one year
estate tax cave-in? not stated
uber-rich taxcut bonuses=$95B for two years
Scarecrow sez:
refundable credits + payroll tax cut=$150 billion (Stein sez $160B)
UI extension alone=$65B (Stein sez $55B)
estate-tax cave-in=unknown
taxcut bonuses for uber-rich=not stated (Grayson told Ed Schultz tonight on Rachel Maddow’s show the 2-year cost will be $140B)
We have some additional work to do to get these details straight.
This is what James Galbraith said after 10 am this morning in the HuffPo link:
“I’ve not heard one good reason all day to believe that we are going to see from this White House the fight that we want, that he could win in two years, or any reason we should be backing him now.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-k-galbraith/whose-side-is-the-white-h_b_792473.html?view=print
This is what Galbraith apparently said on O’Donnell’s show on MSNBC after 10 pm tonight according to Scarecrow’s comment above:
“Jaime Galbraith, whom you might expect to be highly critical, now appearing on MSNBC’s Last Word, concludes the deal is “defensible” because of the improved balance and the expected effectiveness of the 2% payroll tax reduction.”
So which James Galbraith are we supposed to listen to?
What’s to stop Obama himself from trying that? Obama already said he was going to use the Catfood Commission’s recommendations in his budget plus he’s already put on the salary freeze. Until Obama expressly links new deficit spending to the Catfood Commission (by saying he’s ignoring the CC), I see all this spending as increasingly the threat to Social Security and Medicare.
Yes. If only we could get others to do the same…
Frankly though, Americans are too scared for that. They might lose paychecks. That’s a legitimate concern. A consumer boycott might be easier to organize IMO. Americans are good at doing nothing. Also, we stop buying but we still show up for our jobs and draw paychecks for the time being. Double whammy.
Hail to the New Obama/Bush Tax Cut
Feingold/Grayson in 2012
I was listening to the long version of Obama’s economic strategy of this “negotiation” on the tax cut, including the interview with Jane Hamsher, on NPR today. I was searching for just the right word for it when they got to the part about how hard it was to hold the base together during these things and started using the example of the free trade agreement with South Korea, and some bozo from the White House negotiating team actually started telling the interviewer from NPR that it was actually a good thing that the new Republican people would be coming into the Congress because they were easier to work with on free trade agreements than the Democrats. Ya think?
There’s a name for this kind of President. Since it isn’t “Republican,” I guess it must be just, “Traitor”.
You may want to drop the “teabagger” line if you want to reach out to members of the Tea Party. Common ground between Progressives and the Tea Party can also be found regarding governmental transparency.
Bush was also better at organizing Democrats than the current occupant of the White House.
Well fuck the presidency. He’ll be fine. We are witnessing the final nail in the coffin of our democracy, our very humanity. There was only a small amount of “hope” with this chump anyway, but he has consistently and finally dashed it to the depths of hell itself. I got no answers and I’m not really very upset. But then I’ve been preparing myself for it because the signs for at least a year and half have been hurled into my face. So there’s that, I guess.
I feel like a real thicko for giving this creep my vote, and for falling for his crapola even for one second. A learning experience I reckon.
For more clever folks like Karl Rove, it must have clear a long time ago what a huge windfall the Obama administration would be. I know both parties are calling plays from the neoliberal playbook, but this Obama really knows how to move the ball down the field! He’s what they call a real self-starter.
Agreed, but they could never have imagined how big the O-Bonanza would be.
Utterly and completely fooled here, too.
My favorite song of all time. Don’t know if it’s the lyrics, the music, or The Who performing it live ! I can still see Pete T. swinging his arm….
I’m a self employed business (finish carpentry) owner now, independent, self-made from long hours and determination, responsible for my own actions, careful with my money. I have balanced books, & 700+ credit score. No unions and an out of the way small government are for me. I pay my taxes and “push the wagon”.
I knew Obama was a hustler from the start – the Denver convention. Did you all really believe what you were seeing & hearing ? Nov 06 2012. Take the senate, and the WH. Then we’ll have all three. You all can’t stop it. Queen Pelosi screwed up by giving the finger to americans like me. I’m not going away, and I’ll never forget. Piss and moan all you want, get used to it.
Republicans worship Moloch, New Democrats worship Mammon. Obama had trouble choosing and ended up worshiping both.
Where’s the conflict?
There’s a difference between backing a policy and backing a policy maker. For example, I’d have backed more than a few of Nixon’s policies but not Nixon himself.
Well, Obama’s been a disappointment to me, in so many ways.
But this deal might be the best he could accomplish. A 2 year extension of tax cuts for the rich sucks, but let’s face it: we’re working with a lame duck Congress still filled with enough conservaDems that when the new Congress comes in, they’d probably extend the Bush tax cuts anyway.
Obama might have sold out, but THIS time he’s sold out for EITC, a payroll tax bonanza, continuation of working class tax cuts, an increase in the estate tax (which would’ve been eliminated entirely if the Bush cuts were PERMANENT), and unemployment relief.
It’s not a great deal. But it could be far, far worse, considering the weak position Obama’s in and the state of absolute disarray in the Democratic party. His only other alternative was to obstinately veto everything and effectively raise taxes on everybody of all income brackets, and STILL get no working class tax or unemployment relief.
Galbraith’s advice seems sound.
“draw a line and decide that we would be better off with an under-funded, fighting progressive minority party than a party marked by obvious duplicity ”
And TBH, folks here are already a step or two ahead of the curve on this front.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Making up excuses for Obama is a never ending task.
He’s a weak, craven, and cowardly, and incompetent excuse for a president.
RFK Jr. 2012
http://rfkin2008.wordpress.com/
“He’s a weak, craven, and cowardly, and incompetent excuse for a president.”
Yeah, kinda like Slick Willie. The Republicans made Slick toe the fiscal line, reform welfare and sort of balance the budget. THEN Slick gets all the credit.
Obama strikes me as a bit more dim witted than Slick but he appears to be catching on.
Gosh, two more years of not ripping off the rich and not rewarding the slobs. Can this be true?
totally agree with you. from here, Australia, we’ve seen it all before. the US government is pure theatre; there is no resurrecting it – particularly now there’s wikileaks as well.
Ironic, considering he was one of the people who enabled our present President.
It’s not a great deal. But it could be far, far worse, considering the weak position Obama’s in and the state of absolute disarray in the Democratic party. His only other alternative was to obstinately veto everything and effectively raise taxes on everybody of all income brackets, and STILL get no working class tax or unemployment relief.
What “weak position”? The Repugs precious tax cuts go “poof” Jan 1st. Sure, they can pass new ones, but if Obama vetos–no, they can’t.
The weakness of the Repug position is shown by the fact that Boehner himself admitted before the midterms that if it came down to it, he’d vote to extend only the middle-class cuts.
As for unemployment relief–if the Dems went reconciliation, they’d have the votes to extend that for 2 years irregardless of what the next Congress did. And Obama could veto any attempts to rescind this. And no, the tax increases will not destroy any recovery–as they are the weakest stimulative measure, they’re correspondingly the weakest depressive measure.
So no, Obama’s actually in a strong position. He’s caving because he *wants* to cave.
stewartm
Cervello, cuore, coglioni. The three c’s. Predating Oz by 3,000 years.
BTW: Obama and Biden & Co. seem not to understand blackmail. I bastardi took hostages — the unemployed — and blackmailed/ransomed 13 months of UI coverage at a cost of $140-billion.
Senate and House Democrats need to get a little smarter about this situation. Halt the deal in its tracks.
How sad… We basically stand for nothing! I guarantee you… In 2012 if Obama is our candidate… The repooplicans will say he “increased the deficit” by allowing the tax cuts to go through… Hopefully we can find a worthy primary challenger…
For college grads, unemployment is running 5%.
Up from the normal 3%.
For non-high school grads, you don’t want to know. And they are competing with $ .82 to $ 1.50 an hour Chinese high school grads for positions building anything portable.
BTW: the NCFRR plan produces a redistribution of $800-billion a year away from the top 2%.
Grok the Pareto Distribution and apply the demographics to the details of this Majority Report. “Catfood” ??? Hell no. The opposite as bottom end SS recipients are moved up significantly.
Feingold/Grayson ’12.
So he was duped like the rest of us.
Dream ticket.
1. No new taxes.
2. Cut federal budget by 30%.
3. Repeal Obamacare.
Now be fair to NYT. If I had a busy writing job and I noticed the president doing things barely distinguishable from GWB, I’d be tempted to just re-run old stories too. Looks like in this case the writer forgot to do a global Bush/Obama switch.
Gandhi and MLK weren’t dealing with a two-party indoctrinated, heavily medicated populace that still believed there was a difference between DNC and RNC.
Those people knew they would never be represented unless they took matters into their own hands. Just watch,despite all the whining and complaining in about six months, you will be inundated for requests to support the Democratic Party on the scare tactic “consider the alternative”. Once again, predictably, everyone will fall back on the two-party tactic that if you just toggle enough between failures, success will eventually happen as if by magic. Americans are activists only once every four years.
Progressives are THINKERS – not doers! Conservative Cultists are DOERS – not thinkers! Judging by current events, I would have to say the ConCult is winning the war against Americans.
Ironically, the only group willing to literally kick the doors in are the Tea Partiers. So hate them or love them at least they’re willing to get their hands dirty. You might hate their philosophy but you gotta love their gumption.
Anytime the Progressive population decides they have had enough, look no further than the Tea Party for an answer on how to tear it all down.
Or…you can simply do nothing let the Tea Party take charge.
OT, but here’s the thread list from today’s Antiwar.com. It contains, among others, these two:
“Wikileaks Assange arrested and denied bail”
and: “Petraeus “doubts” 2012 drawdown date.”
We are getting the living shit kicked out of us, and the President of the United States is hiding under his desk, or actively participating in the kicking/
“…folks here are already a step or two ahead of the curve on this front.”
We sure are, and thanks to Hamsher & Co. for helping us take the first step. :o)
Scarecrow
You have accused me of advocating violence and that is completely inaccurate . I never once
intimated violence and do not believe it is a solution to the problems confronting us in any case.
Allow me to post an online definition of Satyagraha,
Satyagraha
The policy of nonviolent resistance developed by Mahatma Gandhi as a means of pressing for political
reform in South Africa and India.
Being accused of inciting violence is offensive to me in the extreme. If you want to censor me fine but don’t accuse me of something I and most thinking people find reprehensible as a tool for social change. Gandhi broke the law , it’s called
civil disobedience but that us a far cry from being violent.
I have family in Europe and the thought of being prevented from flying because of either my clumsy writing style or scarecrows misinterpreting my meaning makes me very unhappy !
I will endeavor to choose my words more carefully in the future but I believe you also have a responsibility here and your note has the potentialof doing great damage to me , my reputation and conceivably the obligations I have to my family.
Please remove the remark or post a correction.
Thank you for pointing out the Assange arrest. This to me, is one of the most frightening and very real aspects as to the death of Democracy – World Wide!
The lesson here: Europe will embrace you with open arms if you have money and have admitted to drugging and raping a 13 year old girl but they will hunt your sorry ass down if you expose corruption in the Government. Especially the Government(s) who conspired to destabilize the Middle East for corporate gain.
So now whistleblowers will become one of the “disappeared” and Sadaam Hussein was evidently onto something with torture and suppression of dissent.
It gets scarier by the day!
“The only way to cut spending enough to pay for the Bush tax cuts in the long run would be to dismantle large parts of” the military and war spending. Will no one touch this sacred cow? The main activity that historically has broken the back of empires is out of control military spending after the empire has gotten rich enough that it no longer needs to produce goods itself. Maybe it is best that war spending bankrupts the system?
He is definitely lacking all three: brain, heart, courage!
The moderation policies simply state that advocacy of violence against others will be removed. Your original comment seemed to trigger that, so I notified the moderators to look. We contributors do not make the call, but I support what the mods do. They made the call.
I don’t know of any rule against advocacy of non-violent confrontation, nor would I oppose such advocacy, so you need not defend it. If that is all you meant, and I take your word, no one here would object.
Which amounts to there being a permanent remark made on a blog site that I advocated violence.
I have posted on several blogs since the middle of Bush’s presidency and this is the first time anyone has ever accused me of advocating violence. Your moderator has done me and my loved ones a serious disservice if that is the best you can do to correct this mistake.
Thanks alot.