In her post last night, Jane Hamsher wonders how the economists at Moody’s explain their about face in first claiming the Obama-McConnell Tax Cuts for the Rich Act would not pose significant risk to America’s credit rating and then only a week later claiming the opposite. Let us count the ways.
First, let’s review the flip-flop from Moody’s economist, Steven Hess. Here’s Hess quoted by Bloomberg on December 7 [my bold]:
“The extension of the current tax rates is for a temporary period of two years and we think that if that’s all there is to it — it does not have ratings implications,” Steven Hess, senior credit officer at Moody’s in New York, said in an interview today. “We have a stable outlook. We don’t feel it will get changed downward in the next year or two.”
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“We think it will be positive for economic growth in 2011 and 2012,” Hess said.“That helps government revenue growth. However, it will not nearly offset the reduction in revenues coming from these measures and therefore it’s a negative for government finance if nothing else is done,” he said. “It would not be favorable for any effort to reduce the deficit and reverse the debt trajectory.”
And here’s Moody’s Steven Hess quoted by The Hill just a week later:
Moody’s Investors Service said in a Monday report that the tax-cut deal hammered out between President Obama and congressional Republicans jeopardizes the Aaa credit rating enjoyed by U.S. Treasury bonds. The package could add $900 billion to the national debt, if it is made permanent, and this increases the chances the U.S. would one day default on its debt.
“From a credit perspective, the negative effects on government finance are likely to outweigh the positive effects of higher economic growth. Unless there are offsetting measures, the package will be credit negative for the US and increase the likelihood of a negative outlook on the US government’s Aaa rating during the next two years,” Moody’s analyst Steven Hess writes.
So let’s get this straight. The US credit rating agencies — with Moody’s in the lead — are the guys who allowed themselves to become bought captives of the banking industy. To sustain the profitable ratings fees from the banks, they rated as AAA investments all of those mortgage based securities that were based on massive bank and lender fraud, and never said boo. While their function is to forsee risks, they said little about an implausible $8 trillion housing bubble whose risks they didn’t see Then they were surprised when the bubble burst and those assets plummeted to pennies on the dollar, taking the entire financial system with them. Yeah, those guys.
So now Moody’s Hess is telling us the risk of holding US debt will rise because of this deal, so Congress will assume if we don’t offset this by slashing spending, the US is more likely to default on its sovereign debt. It’s absolute gibberish.
For the umpteenth time, the US, unlike the suffering Ireland, Portugal, Spain, etc in the Euro zone, has its own currency and fiat money. It can’t be forced to default. Unless the people who run the country are complete idiots [insert news stories here], and refuse to use the tools and powers they have, the US is not at any risk of defaulting on its debt.
Moreover, the tax package is for two years. If one assumes that’s it, then there is no long-term structural deficit to cause us problems in the long run. But what happens if the tax cuts are extended?
What Hess should tell us is the truth: The problem the deal creates for US deficits is that the tax cuts are mostly a waste of hundreds of billions, because they’re the least effective way to boost the economy. That means we don’t get nearly the stimulus we could have gotten from intelligent deficit spending on things that actually boost demand and create jobs, and thus reduce government spending for safety-net programs and boost government revenues.
I know this will make Dana Milbank and Mark Penn cry, but the way to improve the picture is to fix the package in ways Obama’s liberal critics are demanding. And we should stop praising Obama for agreeing with people who insist hacking federal revenues by nearly a trillion dollars doesn’t impact the deficit. Every third grade math student knows this is nuts.
But let’s follow the logic of how Washington will interpret Hess: since the economy doesn’t pick up enough to increase tax revenues to offset the massive hit to deficits, we should offset the tax cuts with spending cuts. How convenient for the foolish proposals from the Deficit (aka Catfood) Commission.
The illogical message the Beltway Hacktopolis will take from this is that having failed to stimulate the economy via wasteful tax cuts, we should make the economy worse by slashing spending. It will never occur to them that slashing spending doesn’t “offset” terrible stimulus; it doubles down on the error.
So now expect to hear the White House and Obama’s new allies in Congress (including 83 foolish Senators yesterday) to really screw the economy. They’re about to waste over $800 billion in ineffective tax cuts, and set themselves up for extending the unconscionable tax cuts for the richest Americans by another trillion dollars or so, and to “offset” that madness, they’ll take meat axes to spending and really tank the economy.
Brilliant. Someone should pay Moody’s another nice fat fee for explaining how to destroy the economy, again, and putting millions of people out of work.
John Chandley
More from FinancialTimes blog, Tracy Alloway, Moody’s sees ‘definite negative’ for US rating. NOT.



31 Comments

Thanks Scarecrow.
It really feels like Gresham’s law has gobbled up our entire establishment. Bad media reporting is more profitable, faulty ratings are more profitable, and Obama’s tax cut plan looks like a disaster although it may be quite profitable for politicians who support it.
On a related note, Tony Blair seems to be doing quite nicely after pushing for a needless war in Iraq. Reports are that he’s landed himself a fat contract advising the government of Kuwait.
http://www.businessinsider.com/tony-blair-kuwait-consulting-fees-2010-12
“For the umpteenth time, the US, unlike the suffering Ireland, Portugal, Spain, etc in the Euro zone, has its own currency and fiat money. It can’t be forced to default. ” ; and the only reason it keeps being repeated is that it is part of the ‘fear’ mantra that the government is running on it’s citizens.
Those who benefit from empire just don’t want to let go of it.
We’ve found yet one more species of professional liar.
Memo to Congress and the WH: that tax cut for the wealthy is going to be parked in cash.
So forget about any investment-led recovery.
When I voted for Obama and change; I was ready for a fight to the end , with Obama leading us to the ‘promised land’..I thought that anyone especially a first black president that was making these statements of change was first a ’5 star general’ and then a ‘leader’ to be followed...I will never give up but we need “a Man ” to step into the the “boys shoes” and take us to the finish line
This just provides more cover for excuses for slashing social services. That’s what the about face is all about.
Memo to Congress and the WH: that tax cut for the wealthy is going to be parked in cash.
So forget about any investment-led recovery.
worse then that, whenever it does get spent that spending will happen overseas or on overseas investments, where they use child and slave labor
I am of the opinion this “stimulus” is not only “inefficient” but it’s actally counter productive and we get more stimulative benefit from not having it
for instance;
without “the stimulus” the government will be able to demonstrate there are funds for jobs, funds to “not fire people”, funds to “not freeze wages”, funds for schools, roads, bridges
this supposed “stimulus” is COUNTER stimulative
period
Griftopia: also known as America. It is truly U.S. versus the upper 2%. Moody, Morningstar, and any other rating agency out there is a joke. The truly powerful don’t need these people to tell them which stocks to invest in, since they control the agencies already and the majority of the economy already. They put up buffoons like Jim Cramer to give hope to the little guy that playing the stock market isn’t a rigged game already.
It cannot be repeated enough: the FIRST cuts that Congress must make (with an axe) is Congressional and Presidential pay, pension, and healthcare. We must truly pressure and demand that Congress go on an austerity diet and actually CUT their pay to be equivalent to what the AVERAGE American earns. They must also give up their big, fat, super-generous, taxpayer-funded pensions AND their healthcare benefits.
They MUST be forced to live in a manner that they are all eager to make 99% of the American public live like. Since they are NOT aristocratic, they are NOT superior to the “lowliest” American citizen, they MUST live exactly like most Americans.
CUT CUT CUT their pay and their benefits (NOT reduce their pension and healthcare, no, they must ELIMINATE their benefits).
another gem John Chandley
why isn’t Hess in jail ?
I make no pretense as to knowledge of the law and law enforcement, but no one had more of the stench of collusion on them in this debacle than the ratings agencies
I beg to differ. If you read these statements closely there is no dissonance – “The extension of the current tax rates is for a temporary period of two years and we think that if that’s all there is to it — it does not have ratings implications,” / “the package could add $900 billion to the national debt, if it is made permanent, and this increases the chances the U.S. would one day default on its debt.”
IMHO they are saying that they have no problem with the cuts as long as they are for two years only.
Yes, this is the message they will take.
These people are paid to privatize the planet. If they could privatize the air that we all breath, they’d do it in a heartbeat. If they could privatize the water coming out of your tap, they’d do it — indeed, it’s already been done in parts of France.
This is a continuation of EnronEconomistas: privatize the planet, the government can never ever do a single thing correctly, private control of resources is always best, and the more cowed, ill-informed, and passive the population becomes the richer the privatizers become.
Tigers don’t change their stripes; sharks don’t spend much time in the dental chair.
Plus, they have to start making a hullaballoo right now to distract the world from Bernie Sanders’ brilliant economic analysis of last Friday. So I expect a hue and cry all week, if only for the sake of diverting us all from Sanders’ sterling voice of reason and sanity.
So, if these criminals or fascists, or whatever they are, truly destroy the economy, and as it appears, it is completely out of our control to stop them, what can we do to prepare ourselves? Do we have to take our money out of banks and put it in gold bars under our matresses and buy gallons of water and cans of beans? Oh yeah, and guns. What are we supposed to do?
The people that I know with money all seem to be leaping to commodities, and have been for some time.
So that tells me it’s Bubblicious in the commodities realm.
A sign that the trust that underlies a healthy economic system is pretty tanked.
Reading the links, and the links within those, the coverage goes back to a statement November 15, in which Hess said that temporary extension of the tax cuts would not affect the ratings and later clarification that permanent tax cuts, without offsetting actions would. That makes perfect sense to me.
If Hess is now saying that the current deal would affect the rating, he is arguing that the risk of the tax cuts becoming permanent are high.
Now, what are the consequences of a bad rating? That would make purchasers of US government bonds want a higher interest rate in order to purchase additional bonds. That affects the budget item called “interest on the national debt” increasing the annual debt service costs and putting additional pressure on Congress. Which further burdens the deficit.
So there are three options: cut spending and watch the economy crash and burn; take a temporary increase in the deficit to spend large in the right things to stimulate employment (and most importantly have ways of generating additional return by lowering the cost of doing business in the future (and not by shedding labor); use monetary policy to diddle it. The first leads to even lower revenue and the Irish death spiral. The second leads to a quick runup in employment, risking overshoot and a tight labor market. The third risks inflation (or deflation if they get it bass-ackwards).
Now Wall Street will call a tight labor market inflationary. It is only if sellers to consumers have pricing power to force on consumers. It is only if banks print money like they did with credit default swaps hidden from the oversight of central banks. It is if the government doesn’t start raising taxes as prosperity returns so as to (1) lower the deficit and (2) take the punchbowl away from Wall Street before they get too inebriated and funny.
Here is a problem…50% of Congressional Representatives are already millionaires. So, for many of them, cutting their pay and benefits is not a big issue. It’s more about the power of being a “lawmaker”. And then, to compound that problem, the vast majority of citizens re-elect the sitting incumbent. So, although that may have some benefit, I doubt it would actually bring about the end result wanted…that is, they would show compassion and actually represent the working and middle class in addition to the wealthy and powerful.
Yup … that’s exactly it. It’s future cover for the upcoming Obama Tax ‘simplification’ plan and his plan to slash the budget–make that the part that impacts you and me and not Halliburton–when government gets shut down by the Republicans. My guess is the Hess statement will be brought up during the sturm and drang over increasing the debt ceiling once we bump into it early next year.
Scarecrow–all three agencies kept ENRON’s rating at investment grade until just 4 days before Enron declared bankruptcy. That was a decade ago. The rating agencies are completely untrustworthy, and will continue to be so until substantial regulation is put in place. They simply cannot be trusted.
President Obama suddenly bringing in former President Clinton to talk about how “great” this tax cut bill is was also a major distraction from as you also described it, the brilliant economic analysis by Senator Bernie Sanders. This should have been a HUGE red flag for any Democrat still trying to justify the presidency of Barack Obama.
What I’m not sure about is how someone can justify in their own minds a tax cut for the wealthy leading to less revenue while cutting “social safety net” programs for the many (often the difference between life and death), unless they completely lack any compassion for their fellow man or a conscience. In which case, why do “we the people” keep voting in the sociopaths in our society?
Ding, ding, ding…. well said & sadly far too true.
Moody’s & Morningstar, which *used to be* somewhat reputable, are for chumps anymore. The crap they publish is worse than meaningless; it’s disingenously & very deliberately misleading.
Agree. I’m in favor of such pay cuts in theory; at least it would “look good.” But I have extreme doubt that it would do any good in the long run.
Let’s face it: our “elected” pols are handsomely paid sweet sweet corporate payola, and their actualy “salaries” are incidental.
Yeah. Look at the price of gold & silver and wait for the giant bubble to POP!!!!! Anything that Glenn Beck espouses is for chumps. I know far too many dittoheads & beckerheads who are sooo in love with all their goldline junk stock. Good luck with that.
Amen! Thanks for the cogent reminder about ENRON. As I said previously, Moody’s and Morningstar’s are simply *not to be trusted* anymore. They’re deliberately misleading. It’s a shame, but a huge giant “caveat emptor” applies when reading this junk. I avoid them like the plague, and my suggestion is that everyone else do so. Not worth the “paper their written on” or the digital storage space that holds the virtual data.
No offset of any kind is necessary. Just stop issuing debt. See: http://my.firedoglake.com/letsgetitdone/2010/12/14/the-national-debt-is-congresss-fault-redux/
Then we will fire their asses for mismanagement, poor performance for the American people.. and we will set up tests and evaluations of their meeting our standards and take a line from their treatment of teachers. Accountability, or else their out the door.
Robert Reich up next on Keith Olbermann’s Countdown to discuss this kind of issue – turn on your TVs!
Opening segment was Michael Moore on why he put up bond money for Julian Assange – fantastic!
Saw it. Keith leaves a lot to be desired on the economic front. His heart’s the right place. But he’s a deficit worrier and has bought into the Household budget analogy. Ed’s like that too. Dylan and Rachel too. And Tweetie’s a full-blown freakin’ hawk. He could go work for Peterson or AmericaSpeaks.
Right now the only person who can stop this budget-busting deficit-exploding program-slashing economic madness is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, through her capacity as speaker, refusing to let the Senate version, or any other version that extends budget-busting deficit-exploding Bush era tax cuts, to reach the House floor for a vote before their expiration date.
Oh, wait, wasn’t she the one who took impeachment of Bush and Cheney off the table, around the same time in early 2007 when she helped pass legislation giving retroactive immunity to all the telecom companies complicit in the criminal acts of the Bush/Cheney administration?
Boy, are we screwed as a nation, or what? Republicans are trying one trick after another to suck our federal treasury dry, with tax cuts and program slashing being their weapons of choice…right out of Grover Norquist’s playbook (which is like Tom Riddle’s diary, possessed with an evil spirit, aka Voldemort).
Unfortunately, I think that the destruction is the point, not the side effect. Tax cuts for the rich are means to that end, not an end in itself. Even making Obama look bad or insuring a Republican victory in 2012 strike me as secondary at thi point.
The current economic situation has reached a point where I cannot believe that rational people can believe that the Demo-Republico-Euro-IMF strategy is the answer if economic recovery is the question.
But lets remember that the plutocrats that are driving politics at the moment are not people who produce. They are people who inherit, who skim, who gamblem and who steal. Economic recovery means that people who produce prosper, the difference between rich and poor lessens, economic opportunities equalize. And at some point, political power starts to equalize. Democracy (with the small “d”) reasserts itself. That is, I suspect, the real reason that
The vested interests in Washington, Palm Springs, Wall Street, Riyadh, Dubai, and Zurich have nothing to gain by a growing economy and everything to lose. Their power is measured not by the quantity of their wealth but by the difference between their wealth and the relative poverty of everyone else. Like the rural oligarchs of a failed Central American or Caribbean dictatorship, they would rather lose some money than have anyone else gain any. Its the spread that matters, not the totals.
Its the spread that makes it possible for Rush Limpbaugh to buy Dominican child prostitutes. He probably can’t get them here anywhere near as easily, even if he pays 10 or 100 times more–and the risks would be much, much greater. Why? Because he isn’t rich enough here–and thus not powerful enough (yet)–to get away with something like that in this country. Parents would hire lawyers and/or legbreakers. Cops couln’t look the other way. But in Dominica (or Thailand), even a much lesser expenditure does the job simply because it is so much larger in comparison to the want around him. Money is power, relatively speaking.
This equation between the dearth of the many and the power of the relatively wealthy few is the grave defect of aristocratic society. Aristocratic power is social self-cannibalism. Social control grows stronger, relatively, as society as a whole–including the aristocracy, grows weaker. I fear that the undeniable economic successes of Social Security, progressive taxation, labor rights, and European-style national health are the very reason that the Right attacks them. The real target IS economic success, and with it capitalism and democracy.
The name of the game is “starve the beast”.
First they lower taxes to “stimulate the economy.” Then, they use the resulting national debt as the “austerity” anvil against which to crush social services, a project that reactionaries, like Obama’s sponsors, have been trying to accomplish for the past 75 years.
But, it never really works out, because austerity measures unstimulate the economy five times as much per dollar as tax cuts. That ratio comes from Moody’s own economist, Mark Zandi, who in 2008 submitted written testimony to congress that the multiplier Bush’s tax cuts is .3 and that the multiplier for the kinds of things the Catfood Commissioners want to cut is 1.5 — see page 10 of this pdf: http://budget.house.gov/hearings/2009/01.27.2009_Zandi_Testimony.pdf