In case you’ve been on vacation on another planet, the conventional wisdom now solidifying among the D.C. Beltway elite is that old people are a huge problem America just can’t afford, and the only solution is to take benefits and money from them, even if it’s their money they’ve been saving for decades.
So says the Washington Post’s faux economist, Robert Samuelson, who unexplainably got left out of Salon War Room’s 30 most offensive hacks, but ranks at least on a par with WaPo’s George Will (#11) for sheer disingenuous meanness.
Today, Samuelson laments he’s now 65 and eligible for Medicare, which makes him “part of one of Americas biggest problems.” You see, the elderly are unfairly stealing money from their children because — well, because they’re living longer. The only adult thing to do, so the well-healed Beltway adults insist, is to cut their Social Security and Medicare.
But not making cuts would also be unfair to younger generations and the nation’s future. We have a fairness dilemma: Having avoided these problems for decades, we must now be unfair to someone. To admit this is to demolish the moral case for leaving baby boomers alone.
Well, no, it doesn’t demolish anything, because the supposed unfairness is a complete fabrication repeated almost daily by Washington Post editors and contributors. Dean Baker easily demolishes “Samuelson’s demagoguery” here, but I think he’s being too kind.
The thrust of Samuelson’s “unfairness” argument is that Baby Boomers are living longer and thus posing an unsustainable burden on the budget. Gosh, they could become 40 percent or more of the federal budget! Well, so what? It’s the effects of rising health care costs on the economy, stupid, so eliminating Medicare from the budget would still leave the economy vulnerable. Or if we didn’t waste so much in pointless wars, these programs would be an even greater percentage of the budget, but we and the world would be better off.
And never mind it’s the well off and not the poorer who are living longer. Samuelson neglects to mention that for Social Security, the Baby Boomers began paying more in payroll taxes in 1983 and accepted a later retirement age so that Samuelson and I and other Boomers would be covered now without hurting anyone else. And the surplus they/we created for the Trust Fund will leave us fully covered until 2037 or 2039 under conservative assumptions. By then, Boomer Samuelson will be 92 or 94!
Samuelson’s worst argument is an effort to undermine the social bargain that underpins Social Security and Medicare. This is a commitment — a promise — the nation made to its own citizens to ensure their economic and health security in retirement. But Samuelson wants us to believe those who reach 65 don’t deserve that, because they’ll live much longer. 65 is now the new 50, he argues, so these programs are helping “middle-age” folks, not the truly elderly.
You can see where that’s heading. We’ve seen the right wing brand those eligible for economic security programs, from unemployment compensation to Medicaid to Medicare and Social Security, as unworthy. They’re lazy, their greedy, they’re slackers, and all these “entitlement” programs do is make them worse and stop looking for jobs.
Okay, let’s talk about moral hazard. The US Congress just passed, and the President signed, a law giving $120-$140 billion over two years to the richest Americans for doing . . . nothing, just because they’re rich. No doubt this Congress and this President will repeat this immoral giveaway two years hence, turning the gift into trillions. But Samuelson does not include that in his assessment of “fairness.”
Nor does he mention or explain how the majority of new wealth created over the last two decades has gone to the top 10 percent, while an even more obscene portion went to the wealthiest 1 percent.
Attacking the modest retirements ordinary people have taxed themselves to create has become the elite’s favorite sport, and our media laps it up. CBS 60 Minutes recently lionized NJ Governor Christie for threatening employees to give up retirement benefits or having the state simply default; WaPo has been running almost daily “news” articles editorializing against Social Security; the New York Times has featured stories of state and local governments reneging on contract promises to fund public employee retirement systems; and the Irish Government just agreed to “borrow” over $12 billion from its retirement system to help bail out its effectively insolvent banks (Good luck getting that back).
And the media has fallen all over itself praising the millionaires in the Senate for proposing to enact the Bowles-Simpson-Obama catfood proposals to cut Social Security and Medicare, so we can cover the $4 trillion in deficits that will occur when the same millionaires’ club is finished extending the tax cuts. We’re just more subtle than Ireland, but our elites practice their looting on a far grander scale.
America is being prepared to accept it’s okay if government breaks its most fundamental promise to its citizens — to promote the general welfare and provide for basic social security. We’re being told that taking benefits away from retirees and the sick is the “fair” thing to do.
Don’t believe it. It’s theft: criminal, inhumane, and based on lies. And those who propose or carry it out should be hounded from office.
John Chandley



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They’re all nostalgic for the ’60s – the 1760s that is
what a caak.
Even back then, they took care of their own. These folks are just plain greedy. I’ve got mine, to h*** with you.
Hey, You! It snowed here Christmas night. I guess you know that already. ;-)
Great post, my friend. Before they start yanking the benefits away, we need to confront them with how this has become a deficit problem. It’s not a deficit issue and not a budget issue. SS and Medicare is a paid for insurance program. If they want us people to believe in other types of insurance, the worst thing they can do is take the number one of all times insurance away.
IT’S MY MONEY AND I WANT IT NOW!!!
Does the idiot Samuelson believe that if we cut Medicare, the cost of health care will drop?
What actually happens is that the old die poorer, leaving less to their heirs. I’m guessing the average person would rather cover reasonable Medicare and eventually getting an inheritance, rather than take the chance that their parents will be ruined financially by ludicrous health care costs.
“It’s theft: criminal, inhumane, and based on lies. And those who propose or carry it out should be hounded from office.”
That.Includes.The.Asshole.In.The.White.House
Scarecrow, I read that column a little while ago – for my sins. It scared me, how much he treated all those false arguments as absolutely written in stone and believed by all the “serious people.”
Samuelson has always been appallingly insensitive to human factors, but this one really got me.
Of course, that’s my own fault, after all I am a boomer, age 62, seeing my only hope to avoid living on the street in my real old age about to be tossed away, and myself and my age cohort being villainized.
btw, as I’ve understood it for 60 yrs or so – Samuelson is NOT a baby boomer. If he just turned 65, then he was born in 1945. The boom began in ’46, as soldiers and sailors and marines returned home. Nov. or Dec. ’45 – conceived in Feb or Mar ’45, while the war was on.
He is emphatically NOT a boomer – and that undermines much of the underlying tone of his article, which I heard as — “see, I am being objective and self-sacrificing here, because this is going to affect ME, so you should believe me bc my argument is against my own interest.”
All of which is just false, even without the technical issue of boomer/not boomer; he doesn’t need SS or Medicare, so it won’t affect him at all to lose all of it.
That is such and important and usually ignored fact. SS and Medicare are the children and heirs best friends. As it stands now many are caretakers in a physical sense. Add the medical and basic needs costs to that and the grand kids don’t get to go to college.
I suspect you will search in vain for intellectual coherence, mas. Don’t think that’s his aim. This looks more like part of the propaganda war.
As you know, there are boomers and sooners. But for the main point, the argument is about the same.
What a creep….Take away every benefit for the elderly and the boomers will rejoice at the demands to help their aging parents. O yeah.
I hope he has made enough to care for himself and family already. I hear the WaPo is a dying mammoth. Has he thought he may get a pink slip? Nah, he feels he so very important to the world that nobody would give him the boot.
I don’t know which is more obnoxious and evil: Samuelson’s lies or Barry’s bullshit — that I am sure we will hear in the SOTU — that we have to cut SS to save it.
Snow? Yeah, we got about ten inches last night, more this a.m. not too bad here in Boston area.
should be “well heeled”
/nitpick
I am almost 68 and the idea of these wealthy elites messing with SS and Medicare, that I paid into, makes me very angry. And no, he’s not a “boomer” as I am not. Ain’t gonna affect him — and he’s undoubtedly wealthy and doesn’t need it.
“Don’t believe it. It’s theft: criminal, inhumane, and based on lies. And those who propose or carry it out should be hounded from office.”
Yep!!!
Not sure what “sooners” are — a football team?
I think there is a trap in there. If we once say that the rich really don’t need as much medicare and SS as ordinary folk, they will accept it. Then they will say, well since we don’t get as much we should not pay for it. Tra la la.
Thanks for the nitpicking, but on second thought, well healed also works.
This is not the Samuelson who’s famous for a Nobel Prize in Economics and being lead writer on a bunch of Economics textbooks. That was Paul Samuelson. Robert Samuelson has made a career out of people getting him confused with Paul Samuelson.
Robert doesn’t have a degree in Economics. He’s only got a B. A. in Political Science.
According to my eighth grade history teacher, when the great land rush occurred, the boomers left at the appointed hour, but the sooners cheated and left the night before. For some reason, Oklahoma decided to name its team after these cheaters.
you know you will hear that. The question will be what can any of us do about it?
Oh, I didn’t mean it was the biggest point of objection to Samuelson, but did get that feeling, since after all he started off the piece describing himself as member of the population to whom it’s okay to “be unfair to.”
And Scarecrow – have you always been in the Boston area? Dunno why, I thought you were somewhere in (cough) “flyover country.”
I’m more than 30 yrs gone from Boston – and when I left I was sick to death of continual winter…but here in snowless So. Tex, I miss it at this time of year. *g*
Yep. Never trust anyone with a BA in Polisci, especially if they become lawyers. Oh, wait . . .
Really? I know the diff between him and Paul S., but did think Robert was an “official” economist and prof thereof.
Rather apropos given Barry Switzer though.
No. Born, raised in New Mexico, middle career in Sacramento, later career in Cambridge. Forgot to leave before winter, again.
Oh, so it *was* an Oklahoma reference!
Yes, your 8th grade history teacher was right. Also for my sins, I went straight from Boston to rural Okla., and spent 3 yrs. there.
Oklahomans are quite proud of the Sooners — somehow they demonstrated initiative and enthusiasm and, and…they wound up Winners! Much like their attitude to the football team when Barry Switzer (once described as ethically-challenged B.S.) ran it…
Wha’cha drinking this morning, dakine? I’ve got some eggnog (non-alcoholic, but from an excellent local dairy), and some cider….
“Forgot to leave before winter, again.”
LOL. I hear you. I was leaving in spring, having finished my last school year, and it seemed like winter lasted forever then.
Now in Texas, I’m enjoying the changing colors of the trees the last few weeks….
I’ve been working temporary, part-time work for the past year, was totally unemployed for a year before that, and have finally decided to file for early, reduced SS benefits and take what I can get while I can get it. It’s a terribly hard thing to do, but I need money now and lord only knows what they’re going to let me have later. All the pundits point out how much you sacrifice when you take benefits early, but not included in that equation are the cuts that are probably in our future. And besides, as I said, I need the money now.
here’s the link to his Newsweek bio…
http://www.newsweek.com/authors/robert_j_samuelson.html
So much wrong with Samuelson’s article. One doesn’t just “get” a Medicare card — one has to apply for it. If he didn’t need it, he might have graciously demurred. And he fails to mention the costs of medical insurance in the years leading up to qualifying for Medicare: at 60+ I was paying $12,000 per year (!) for medical insurance and co-pays. One doesn’t wishs to wish their life away, but I couldn’t wait to hit 65! I was dying from the insurance payments.
gesneri- I understand. It’s a heck of a choice, isn’t it? I’m not eligible yet even for early SS, but if I don’t get to work more this year than the last 2 (the same, temp, short-term), I will have to seriously consider doing the same. Of course, the amount will be less than the amount of my current rent.
Obviously, I should move to somewhere cheaper, but that will be hard to find. So far, the calculation of moving costs + lower rent (feasible amount) = > amount of current rent for 12 mos.
I would definitely still have to work as much as possible to be able to buy groceries and pay ordinary bills.
Next they will try to own your house (oops they have gotten a lot of them), (oops Your pension plan 40% less)and are charging more for the same medical coverage.
So what what if you paid for your Social Security they can steal it by calling it an entitlement program.
The elite can do whatever the fuck they want now that they own us, the media and wealth.
Dean Baker is saying that the next generation, 30 to 40 years from now will have a higher standard of living than the boomers who are retiring now. The current generation of retirees are not taking the future away from future retirees. That’s just nonsense.
The current Federal deficit is going to evaporate when the economy eventually rebounds. There’s no debt burden for future citizens that cannot be paid off when we get back on our feet. Dean Baker says that we need to counter this Peter G. Peterson meme against the boomer generation that keeps getting repeated over and over again by the Peterson meme machine.
No s***. Don’t have the column open, but wasn’t one of his arguments to have SS beneficiaries from 65 to some age to-be-determined pay for their own medical insurance? !!
Also, he suggests means testing – as if it were also obvious, ignoring the well-known fact that that would instantly decrease support for SS, making it into welfare for sure.
The whole article, as you say, is based on illusion, ignoring all the implications, all the facts that we actually do know.
Disgusting, all around.
Excellent article, Mr. Crow.
BTW, just wanted to take this chance to thank you for your evocative and mighty fine piece on the beautiful Yvonne. That was very well done.
Absolutely true – but there’s so much to counter, and most of it intertwined.
It’s a major slog up the mountain with Sisyphus’s rock just to get people to acknowledge that deficit panic is 180 degrees opposite the truth.
See Tom Coburn’s latest tv interview denouncing the “apocalyptic pain” of not reining in the deficit: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/apocalyptic-pain-and-picasso-sunday.html
I am so tired. We old folks may not have enough energy to defeat these lies, and that’s what keeps me up at night.
I would not suggest burning down the homes of pundits and politicians who advocate cutting Social Security and Medicare.
There are other people who will do that.
~~~Mod Note: Let’s not go any further down this path~~~
Yep. Thanks for the summary on Dean Baker, whose Beat the Press is always worth reading.
Oh, good point. And, I agree with whoever said Yvonne may have been quite fond of you, at least.
My mom was an RN in the days of caps..(I recall her starching the cap and uniform to wear to work), and although much of her career was in the Army in WWII, she got Christmas cards from patients, adults and children (at the time they were in the hospital), for years, and remembered each one well and fondly.
Yvonne probably remembers you, too, Scarecrow.
The Avg. American Citizen never knew how great FDR really was, now they do!
When you look at the political landscape we have today, it is full of rich men and women who hate avg working americans.
The moment was always to big for OBAMA! Obama just wanted to fly around on Airforce 1 and smile, thus his love of Reagan and Hoover.
It has always been easy for millionaires to rob poor people.
Thank you. I was hoping to hear from her, but nothing so far.
Dearie, you said it. I’m 62; I have several serious chronic conditions and am crippled so that I have limited mobility. When I was 59 and began having these troubles, my insurer began raising my rates several times a year, eventually exceeding $24,000 a year… at which point I had to give up insurance. Perhaps I can get disability; I haven’t tried yet. But if not, I’ll begin wishing my life away, presuming against hope that there’s still such thing as Medicare by the time I reach 65. Good luck to both of us.
I’m down with that. Count me in.
“The Avg. American Citizen never knew how great FDR really was, now they do!”
I wish that were true. Actually, the generation that remembers and idolizes Roosevelt is rapidly dying off. The younger generations have very little idea, and they’re being fed, as part of the propaganda against government being able to help citizens in a terrible economic crisis, the myth that FDR’s programs actually hurt the economy, or started too late,or whatever.
My favorite short argument denying the New Deal’s effectiveness, of course, is “the New Deal failed; only WWII ended the Depression!” which fails to recognize that the reason the war put the final nails into the Depression was — absolutely ginormous government spending! GM and Ford made airplanes, and jeeps, and tanks, not cars for the market – to be sold to …..waitforit— the GOVERNMENT!
And, we not only spent into deficit to pay for WWII, we sold War Bonds, borrowing money from our own selves – and then paying ourselves back when it was all over. Truly, sacrifice for nearly everyone, or at least, a feeling for every citizen that they could help. There were paper drives and rubber drives, too – which didn’t really help that much in the supply of the commodities, but, again, gave citizens the feeling of participation.
How our Smart people forgot all these lessons, I don’t know.
Dear lord, look at this line from the Samuelson piece:
“The old deserve dignity, but the young deserve hope.”
What kind of hope do the young have in a world of Harvard trained hitmen like Samuelson? That they too will be liquidated the minute they are no longer economically viable workers?
Hey I left Maine/Boston for the Bay Area in 78 and I like to see the “Snow” run down the street drains. I hate snow and the feeling is mutual ☺ ☺ ☺
But as for this POS Samuelson I guess he should lead the way and show all the “Boomers and Sooners” how to perform Ritual suicide so we don’t inconvenience the rich with our demanding that we “Actually” get paid for all that money we contributed to SS and Medicare, I mean “they need” all their tax cuts. We all know it just isn’t fair that we should expect them to pay their fair share is it??
And sadly, by the time you actually get disability, you might have reached 65.
Well, I’m a pessimist…my experience with disability applications is more than a decade old – a conversation recently with a lawyer running a disability appeal practice says SSA is much more efficient these days. You might actually get a decision and begin getting payments in a year or so.
They’ve already got practice raiding Medicare and mandating people buy private products all thanks to Obamacare, so yeah, Obamacare can be the first plank in further undermining Medicare, cutting Social Security and privatizing Social Security.
Thanks for the link. I despise Samuelson’s hiding behind a false pride in sacrificing for ‘the kids’. A lot of folks in my cohort mortgaged themselves deeply to get their kids through college only now to discover that their houses are devalued and their incomes and jobs are shaky. So along comes this crew of people asking everyone to be responsible and sacrifice (when we already have since 1983 been paying extra into SS) their Social Security and Medicare. Our group has always been responsible caregivers for our parents and our children too. So this is a real slap in the face. We are going to need SS and MA to maintain our future ‘independence’ and hopefully our kids will see that this benefits them and the grandchildren as well.
Yes. Unemployment dropped from 14% in 1940 to 4% in 1942.
As things stand now, no insurance company writes anything but supplemental medicare insurance for anyone over 65 AFAIK. They simply won’t insure you after that age. If someone proposes raising the age of medicare eligibility, wait until it gets publicized what the premiums will be. Most people never buy individual insurance and have no idea how astronomical the cost is. At 63, I pay $15,000 a year for HMO coverage, and that will go up by 15% every year only because my state currently enforces that limit if person holding policy is over 55. Before that rule, I regularly got increases of 25%. With the new, conservative a**hole governor we have, I look for that rule to be ditched quickly.
Sorry. I was inspired by your comment with “Human Factors” up above to write this diary but am just drinking water at the moment.
Shoot, here in NJ we got 24+. I waded out to feed the backyard birds through thigh-high snow.
But you see, he undoubtedly believes that we “need it” because of some intrinsic lack in ourselves and the way we’ve conducted our lives–if we were as smart and hard-working as he is, we also would “not need it”.
Here’s the Baker quote on the next generation’s earning power:
“……the Social Security trustees project that average hourly wages will rise by more than 40 percent over the next three decades. “
And that was already down from a high of 24.75% (see here: http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1528.html )
in 1933, so it’s a right wing lie that New Deal policies were not working, they just weren’t as rapid or as effective until the really big stimulus of the war hit.
Obama is more than a disappointment to me.
He is now a poster boy for disposing of our seniors.
Kill them all by insisting they work until they die and offer them not even a return on a contract that this now dismal government made with them.
Contract = offer, acceptance and consideration.
Our seniors paid consideration all their lives by having a portion of their pay ear marked for social security and medicare.
This government wants to breach that contract as apparently now a contract is only in effect if it is made with Corporate CEO’s.
No one else’s contract seem to be enforceable in Obama land.
I had been a democrat all my life. But this party no longer represents me. They care nothing for my future. Politicians today are nothing more than fund raisers for themselves.
I am truly disgusted that this nation no longer is.
What it has become is intolerable for it represents all that we once fought against.
anyone who is actually concerned about the “next generation” is thinking about and writing about climate change, which, without a shred of doubt, will go a long way to destroying the next generations chances of living any kind of decent life, if not dealt with now.
And what does it mean to sacrifice the elders for the hope of the young…sounds creepy and immoral to me. Are we hearing a prelude to the death panels they all talk about
Hmmm . . . .
Guess that means by 2040 the minimum wage would be, what, $10/hr?
And of course what wingnuts forget in their “it was only the spending on WW2 that solved the depression” meme, is that the argument only validates government stimulus as a means to restart the economy.
I think our representatives in Congress and our President and our corporate rulers are not human beings at all but nodes of malignant greed. Wish I could think of some way to stop them but I can’t.
I’ve already heard previews of O’s approach to the upcoming rape and robbery of elderly, retired and disabled people. He says he intends to ‘Safeguard Social Security for future generations.’ Which is a lie. I have also heard Dick Durbin say that ‘The bleeding hearts are going to have to give on this.’ It is difficult to express my revulsion for this rich old guy who has received his pay and Mercedes Benz health care from tax payers for most of his adult live.
And when I get those e-mails from Pelosi asking for $5, $10, whatever I can afford, my head explodes. You can bet I don’t send any dough.
First it was “why are Americans so unhealthy?” Now we can work ’til 70.
Chip, chip chipping away.
they stole the $$ they crashed the world economy and put it on our backs and now, and they want to punk US again.
And I have to wonder why Social Security is no longer the 3rd rail of American politics? could it be our votes don’t count at all anymore??? Gee, ya think?
By the way, Cenk’s on Ed. worth watching Sirota’s on now.
Actually, I see this as an opportunity. Nothing will turn an old geezer into a Democrat faster than a Republican messing with his medicare and SS. Retirees are VOTERS. Cutting benefits at a time when retirees are struggling with rising prices in every area is not a way to win elections.
***”Before they start yanking the benefits away, we need to confront them with how this has become a deficit problem. It’s not a deficit issue and not a budget issue”***
This is what blew me away when I read this this morning in the WaPoo: This guy’s purportedly AN ECONOMIST!!! H’s supposed to know about the Social Security Trust Fund deal, how it’s NOT part of the budget!
It just shows: it’s not mere stupidity, but nefarious lying.
I have talked to others who have taken SS early and apparently if you live long enough (and most healthy people do), you break even. You collect benefits over a greater number of years so the full recovery is later. I’ve heard that you can get an accountant type to calculate it for you. I was 67 when I retired so a moot point. Only problem with taking it early is that until you are full retirement age your benefit is reduced by some amount if you work.
Hamsher’s on Ed’ show with Cenk NOW
They’ll blame the Democrats becasue everyone knows this is Obama’s idea
My best friend/house mate’s father is retired from the Social Security Admin and he says that the best deal is taking the early option
That was uncalled for. I’m sure there are many nice, non-Samuelson like political science BA’s like myself hanging around the lake.
Remember when Reagan closed the state mental hospitals and threw those people out on the streets when they couldn’t fend for themselves? I do.
Said he didn’t “believe” in mental illness, while he was mentally ill himself with Alzheimer’s. but HE got taken care of quite well as I recall.
this is the last gasp of the rape of America and I don’t see a thing we can do about it anymore than we can stop the TSA from irradiating and groping us nor the selling of our internet to the corporations.
It’s going so fast and the propaganda is so heavy. And so many just think about themselves.
Our society is totally broken.
It’s a nightmare.It’s Shock Doctrine. Next they’ll start killing us.
Unless……………….
Yes, it does, considering he gets excellent health care, I’m sure.
This is interesting on Medicare:
http://finance.senate.gov/legislation/details/?id=9f97aa2e-5056-a032-52d4-8db158b12b11
Obama extended it and Medicaid for a year. We’ll see.
I think my governor wants to cut it anyway. she also wants to get rid of the former governors’ attempts to make the capital buildings energy efficient. i think she thinks she’s Reagan
I still think part of this is payback for the social movements we started.
I’m just going to hope like heck that this kind of person;’s views are implemented.
Exactly. This is the REAL Death Tax.
Yeah, creepy. Sounds like he’s calling for some lebensraum for the next generation. Never mind that we have no shortage of housing!
As I’m sure you know they don’t really care if we work until we’re 70 – they just want to make us ineligible for benefits until that age. What happens to us in between the time we’re booted from the labor force (which will be well before 70 in most cases) and the time we become eligible for benefits is our problem.
Perhaps Herr Samuelson would care to be so kind as to inform us serfs whether it is a matter of whether or just a matter of when our freedom loving government, its devoted leaders, and corporate partners hold their own Wannsee Conference to determine the final solution to the millions of old people despoiling our streets rendered penniless and homeless by stealing all their social security to give it to the richest Americans to gamble with in the World Casino and to finance endless wars of aggression against foreign countries to steal their natural resources?
I don’t play the Nazi card, but I’m going to make an exception today because I think Samuelson has earned it.
Read about the conference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
Read the minutes of the conference that were prepared by Adolph Eichman:
http://prorev.com/wannsee.htm
See the 2001 BBC/HBO film about the conference, entitled Conspiracy, written by Loring Mandel and starring Kenneth Branagh as Reinhold Heydrich and Stanley Tucci as Adolph Eichman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_%282001_film%29
This film may be the most chilling film you will ever see. I saw it a long time ago and I will never forget it.
Evil is so ordinary.
Related to this, I hope everyone caught/catches FDL’s David Dayen, appearing on MSNBC’s Countdown tonight, discussing this post
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/12/27/in-unfolding-war-on-public-employees-state-lawmakers-and-media-likely-to-do-the-work-themselves/
and related issues.
And the only mistake FDR made, which was to implement austerity programs in 1937 after the economy appeared to be recovering, pitched the economy back over the cliff delaying the recovery until the war finally came along.
Gee, I wonder what austerity will do this time?
So this is what it has come to – steal from the poor, elderly, and disabled to feed the rich.
King Barry the Dark and Eric the Holder, his trusty Sheriff of Nottingham, are kicking our asses, we’re still hunting for Robin, and the comely Maiden, Jane the Marian, is being waterboarded night and day in the Tower to reveal our professional left secrets.
Surely this blasphemy cannot end too soon.
Aye, ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
I’m thinking more like the 1160s.
I think that anyone who wants to cut SS in any way should first have to live on SS-level income for a year (or 120 percent of it, which is the usual level). Then they’ll be qualified to discuss it. (I bet they’d have a different opinion then.)
I’ve seen comments from younger people that they want the boomers to all retire and make room for them. The idea that we might not be able to afford retiring doesn’t seem to have registered on some of them.
In the movie Soylent Green Police Detective Thorn (played by Charlton Heston) discovers most of the worlds’ poor, who are eating Soylent Green to survive are actually eating people.
People, by the way, offered an option for a blissful and painless suicide before being turned into that Soylent Green. This premiered in 1973 and was set in the year 2022. Gives me goose bumps knowing my kids are going to be eating me.
Meanwhile, like Thorn, I’m running around screaming: “Soylent Green is PEOPLE!! We’ve got to stop them—SOMEHOW!!!”
Oh, and if someone does ask you who are these homegrown terrorist everyone talks about, tell them it’s the ones the government are marking USDA.
It appears to me CRIMINAL INTENT to decimate our ss recipients! The overblown egotistical GOPIG that stated ss recipient got generous cost of living in 2009, we barely made it thru 2010;with no increase in 2011 we are in the food spiked mid 2010, and ate less; it is not cutting it anymore and some fascist pigs like mcconnell, the boehner(i worked every rotten job since 14 yrs. u glutton, your parents owned a bar & restaurant! Everyone I know worked hell of a lot HARDER THAN some snake called boner; Lieberman another pig-he has identity crisis, except he’s the ringer for ISRAEL, CHERTOFF another ZION connection;Demented was so detested in his state people were willing to vote unknown Alvin Green rather than have demented as their rep. To all the GREEDIEST GOPIGS; ss recipients need a cola;and the billionaire tax cuts should not be from the ss fund; why usa feeds the CRIMINALS, and lets retirees twist in the wind; pretty soon no one will want to visit the CORRUPTED USA!Some laws are being violated in regard to SS. vitriol
Revised upon reading below and the linked notes: the fool’s NOT an economist; he just plays one in Newsweek.
I’m not a boomer, and I’m not going to let anyone take away an Insurance policy I’ve paid into for 45 years, SS and Medicare. This is what Bush set out to do, and that was to break the Federal Government, then privatize everything else the rich didn’t already have there hands on. Greed it seems, as some would say, is legal and these pseudo economists along with fox news and the rush types are going to condone it in a way that it all makes perfect sense to those idiots that never took Civics in school or were dumbed down with an education based on a policy of No Child Left Behind. It’s time to stop being haters and start fighting for what is in your best interests. They did it at the turn of the Century, in the 20′s and 30′s we just lost our backbone. Have you ever lived in a ghetto or gone to bed hungry? Is that what’s it’s going to take before you stand up for yourself, because if it is it’s too late. ORGANIZE, PETITION, FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
And they ought to blame the Democrats if they fall for Obama’s crap and vote the way he wants them to.
I wrote one on Samuelson’s follies some months ago also. Here it is:
http://my.firedoglake.com/letsgetitdone/2010/04/03/samuelsons-hooveritis-a-religious-belief-that-wont-go-away/
It’s all part of the deficit hawk pattern. They’re just not talking about a real problem. See: http://my.firedoglake.com/letsgetitdone/2010/12/26/altogether-now-there-is-no-deficitdebt-problem/
Change will come Kassandra. Once the economic misery factor gets high enough and works its way up and down the food chain you’re going to have a lot of angry, frustrated people with nothing to lose. Thats when change will start happening. Obviously the misery at this point in history hasn’t reached critical mass yet. I guess the only question I’ve got is whats america going to look like when get there.
Problems can’t be solved with violence.
Problems can’t be solved with violence…
Non violent solution.
Non violent solution…
Oh I see the mistake.
He said the elderly are living longer which is a problem.
I think the real problem is wall streeters and bankers living longer.
Normally when an economy tanked they’d take a header from their skyscraper office or condo…now they just get a bailout or golden parachute.
This is why we should pass the “Reintroduce banksters to gravity act of 2011.”
A healthy dose of gravity into the economy will clear away the fraudulent bankers and teach them a lesson of who not to defraud.
Gravity is the only solution.
Let’s make the estate tax 100% for everyone that works for BoA and wall street/hedge funds. Then the introduction of gravity into this equation will lead to a huge inflow of tax revenue.
In the “there’s a pony in here somewhere” department:
HuffPo actually has an excellent article dismembering Samuelson’s cruel arguments.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/samuelson-on-social-secur_b_801753.html
Oh I agree. If anything, temporarily lower the retirement age to 55.
There is one significant problem related to that…. Our corporations have been underinvesting in worker training. The folks picking up the ball for those retiring are in many cases woefully unready.
But that seems like a minor bump in the road to me. They could just structure things so that those currently employed end up better off if they hold off on retirement.
Nora O’Donnell on MSNBC 9:35am in an interview “..THE ENORMOUS BURDEN OF…” speaking of America’s elderly who will need to be cared for in their older years—AFTER WORKING HARD ALL THEIR LIVES IN AMERICA.
Nora… you are all screwed up with your values.
Obama? Just part of the scam to take from one of the few pots of $$ (not his) left unlooted in this country.
We need a serious uprising.
Amen.
Especially, since the Justice Department is not prosecuting but shrinking from their duty to preserve justice and fairness in this country. Obama protects and supplements the efforts of white collar crime when he does not lift a finger and bails them out.
Gravity. Yes. 100% sounds fair.. lets make it retroactive too.
RJ Eskow is a progressive Democrat and he has been hammering Obama and the Dems for a long time on health care, social security, and Forfeiture-Gate. I always look forward to reading his work.
To review his past articles, click on his name at the head of the Huffpo piece and that will take you to a page that has all of them sorted by date, with the most recent one first.
AREN’T implemented…OOPS!
“There IS no Justice” Dept.
Of course, ti’s supposed to be non-political, but Bush and Honzales changed all that.
Thanks it’s a good read. Reading it now. wonder if it’ll make a difference…..
Nonetheless, all evidence points to it has been looted and they’d rather punk US than….whomever….