America’s most established journalists are telling us this morning that the Obama Administration, careening like a pinball between ineptitude, arrogance, and its pretend empire has this super secret plan — conveniently leaked to Carl Bernstein and the New York Times’s David Sanger — to rescue the Egyptian regime from the anger of its own people. God help us all.
Remember, this is the same inept Administration that can’t give clear instructions to Obama’s personal emissary to Mubarak about what to say and when to keep his mouth shut as he contradicts the Administration’s latest version of its extend and pretend Egyptian policy.
As Bernstein describes it, in what may be the most articulate statement by any mainstream US media, the Obama White House wants to keep President Mubarak nominally in power for the time being, in a powerless, figurehead role, while a select group of wise men makes the necessary changes to the Egyptian Constitution to allow someone other than an undesirable legislative Speaker to become the new President. Yeah, they’ve got a Speaker Boehner problem too.
Then this group will oversee a peaceful transition leading to new elections next fall. This engineered solution would reportedly exclude the Muslim Brotherhood from seizing power. [More from the NYT reporting on initial meetings with opposition, including Muslim Brotherhood.]
The Times’ Sanger seems to confirm the essential pieces, which suggests these elements are carefully planted leaks from the White House. It’s painted to be thoughtful, deliberate, strategic, as though Obama has a plan and is in control, despite his repeated statements, now revealed as lies, that gosh, it’s up to the Egyptians to decide how all this turns out and who’s in charge.
By now, the Egyptian people must understand that neither the American government, nor the U.K (whose Prime Minister just lamented how all those non-Brits — shhh; Muslims — are diluting his culture), nor any other Western government places the “aspirations of the Egyptian people” for democracy or economic justice above their own strategic interests. They care about returning Egypt to a condition of “stability,” apparently defined as a regime that protects access to the Oil Canal, doesn’t threaten war against Israel, and doesn’t become a springboard for violent, anti-Western radicalism. The West’s indifference to authoritarian oppression in Egypt has been on display not merely for the 30 years of Mubarak’s regime but for 150 years, or is it 2000? We just used them to help us torture our kidnap victims and looked the other way when Mubarak tortured and murdered his own people.
We need to borrow the Eygptian protesters because the regime that needs a “transition” is not merely Mubarak’s; it’s our own. There are gradations of authoritarian regimes and we’re obviously different from most of the regimes we tolerate and prop up, but not much. We too engage in torture and state-sanctioned terrorism, massive domestic surveillance and violations of human rights. We’re rapidly becoming a one-party regime, a kleptocracy of corruption and crime driven by corporate power and money, in which democracy and economic justice are being systematically undermined by a narrowing band of economic and political elites who control most of the nation’s wealth and have bought our Congress.
So it should not surprise us that Obama, the perfect representative of America’s single party, and his corporate Tea-GOP-conservaDem allies in Congress would oppose democracy in Egypt by keeping “threatening” elements out of power. They did exactly the same thing to ACORN, whose true crime in the Party’s mind was to register millions of poor people who might oppose the regime and help them fight back against the corporate-friendly institutions that relentlessly steal their money, their housing, their dignity and their children’s future.
The Obama governing pattern is consistent: When the economic elites crash and loot the economy, devastating millions, tell the public you’ll fix this. But then make only superficial changes in the power structure, promise to oversee them better using the people who were asleep or complicit the first time, but leave the essential structure and those who crashed it or let it fail in power. Hold no one in power accountable: not the criminals on Wall Street nor the insurers in Hartford nor the drugsters that bilk us and Medicare for billions nor the fraudulent lenders and money changers in every city in the nation, nor the criminally negligent regulators in Washington who cheered on the banksters before their Ayn Rand hero told us, in a moment he soon forgot, that his world view might have been wrong. Now the same people who tanked the system and caused so much suffering are back, stronger, more arrogant than before.
In the meantime, it’s extend and pretend at the White House. Stretch it out, keep the victims and demonstrators from dictating the pace or the magnitude or the authors of change. Obama did that with Wall Street, with the health care and health insurance industries, with the drug manufacturers, with the mortgage industry. He’s doing it now with the pollution industries. He’s pursuing extend and pretend in Egypt.
America is not Egypt, but we have proportionally as much or more income and wealth inequality here as they do. We have 15 million or more unemployed, many for more than a year. We have the highest level of poverty ever, the highest number of uninsured, the most murders by guns, the worst drug problems. Our cities and states are in the worst budgetary crisis in half a century.
And worse, the Ruling Party has no major initiatives to do anything meaningful about any of this. The quarreling elements of America’s corporate party are now united that government should not use its power too much to relieve the suffering. It should instead cut everyone else to save the elites but call it something like “reducing the deficit.” Are these not the hallmarks of a repressive regime?
They are united that the rich may not be taxed but everyone else’s retirement and health benefits must be slashed to relieve the fears of invisible bond vigilantes. They agree we can’t tax reckless financial transactions or make hedge fund managers pay their share of taxes on billion dollar paydays.
The supposedly “adult” Bowles-Simpson Commission would shift income and wealth even more towards the wealthy. Never mind Egypt; just watch Alan Simpson and Candy Crowley on CNN this morning. Their contempt for the ordinary people they’re hoping to screw is palpable.
O Egypt! Lend us your protesters! Come here. We know this is our job, but we need your courage. Come to Capital Mall and teach us your chants, “Leave! Leave!” We will join you.
Update from Marcy Wheeler at emptywheel on Suleiman commitments to “restore order.”



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Righteous rant and recommended. Everything you said about our one party corporate state is true.
But we can’t borrow Egyptian protesters. We CAN borrow their example. And that is what really scares the corporate elite, at least the few who peek out of their cushy bubble every once in awhile. This is why they are doing their best to paint Egyptian democracy as something to be afraid of, and repeating that “it can’t happen here” because Americans are too old and too comfortable.
The Big Lies will probably even work, for awhile.
I was struck by some of the complaints our Egyptian embassy registered w/the govt in WL cables. Yes, there was torture and beating. But two other big complaints was internet access being cut off (the same govt that is using IP excuses to shut down websites here, not to mention whatever they did to make it hard for WL to publish in this country) was helping some Egyptian activists get their Google and YouTube accounts turned back on. And indefinite military detention.
Thanks, well said. You on twitter yet? Why not?
Scarecrow in twitter: try JohnChandley
http://twitter.com/#!/JohnChandley
This rates front-paging.
Thanks.
ditto!
recc’d
We inch closer to revolution with each passing day. Obama’s decision to pretend that the 3.5 million homeless, the 28.5 million unemployed and underemployed, and the millions who face real estate forfeitures do not exist guarantees that a revolution is inevitable. It will happen when the cost of food and gas become unaffordable for millions. Check out how much they have increased during the past year and how much they are expected to increase this year and y’all will see that the day of reckoning is not far off.
People are not going to starve to avoid embarrassing this grossly inept, ethically compromised, and bought and paid for empty suit who pretends to be our president.
Excellent, scarecrow. I have realized from yesterday to today that the administration line, followed dutifully by the MSM this morning (or is it the other way around?)is that ‘we are still influencing how things go in Egypt’ when in actuality nothing could be further from the truth.
We have lost the initiative. All the parsing of words and twostep doseydoh’s of the previous days have not been lost on the Egyptians, and perhaps they knew full well even then that the US had lost its influence the moment Mubarak was publicly defied (that’s ‘defied’ not ‘deified’, big difference).
We can leave events to the Egyptians – they have mounted a successful challenge, not only to their regime but to ours as well. And ours will try their best from now on to cover up that important lesson, to insist they are still directing the action.
Game over, Obama. And NOT well played. Do go, as soon as possible, so we can emulate the Egyptians and take back our democracy.
We are going to be subjected to a spin out of proportion to reality; that’s just par for the course which is still the oligarchy. But the emperor has no clothes except a rapidly failing corporatocracy -’ pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.’
The man behind our curtain is inevitable collapse of our system. It is only a matter of time. The Egyptians will inspire us; we will follow them gladly. They are our new sun. And far better to follow a polis than to follow an individual fraught with hidden flaws.
Mo’Barack must go!
Or ya know, something like that. I’m really unafraid of a Palin presidency after watching what Obama has willing and effectively done to kill hope and change in this nation.
There won’t be protests, though. There will barely be requiems.
Let me see if I have this right: If the American people had the huevos to stand up and peacefully demonstrate for an end to our present American fascist, single party state and gathered in all major metropolitan areas or better yet just in New York City demanding Obama’s resignation and the end of corporate money in government, would Obama follow the will of the People and voluntarily and immediately resign and call for publically financed elections monitored for election fraud by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney?
Seen any camels pass unobstructed through the eye of a needle lately?
Anyone who thinks all of this is not about money, power, and control of the world’s energy resources doesn’t live on the third rock from the sun.
Yes. We could use American courage and a good strategic plan.
Recommended.
Concur– well expressed connect the dots.
I’d be surprised if Obama was not seeking daily guidance from Dick Cheney, his obvious foreign-policy role model. Heck, maybe he’ll even wheel Dick in to finish a press conference when he has to skip out to a more important party date.
That’s after a prayer breakfast with Rick Warren, of course.
yup it’s all OB’s fault…………… 30 years of corruption is all his fault… dayum!! bring back the honorable repugs… cuz they doing soo much for us americans at this critical time…
As oldgold (and how many others) would say: Who ya gonna vote for, the Rs? /s
It’s not a matter of it being his fault; it’s that he has done nothing to make things better and in some cases has made things worse. I voted for him and am so disappointed. I wanted him to be the best president we ever had and that’s not happening.
Yeah, that one never gets old.
“O Egypt! Lend us your protesters! Come here.”
We’ll trade for Glen Beck and Thomas Friedman, among others. Oh, the entire Morning Joe Gang.
Well, to be fair, he’s just a puppet
He could have made a difference, even rhetorically – instead he has chosen to validate every shred of the most ruinous bullshit imaginable. Yes bring on the pukes. O’s already handed them the fucking store, ffs.
hehehe – good one!
And after we settle, once & for all, how many angels CAN dance on the head of a pin, we can move on to the next most pressing topic of the millennium, which is whether O is WIII, or better or worse.
I’m sure the Israelis are not immune from arrogance or anger upon the killing of loved ones.
We have corruption (or at least something dramatically different from Eleanor Roosevelt’s one person / one vote democracy instead of lobby-moved government,) much of what you say in that regard interesting if not seriously eloquent.
But I of course trust you would not have us exterminate Canada in frustration any more than you would have Egypt hope to exterminate Israel.
I also don’t see Obama as opposition, though I am most definitely interested in seeing Al Franken or one /others of similar ilk to offer themselves at least nominally as Democratic alternatives in 2012. I believe the closest we’ve seen anyone come to breaking a lock-tight corporate monopoly prior to Mr. Obama’s attempt to change health care, was Jimmy Carter’s (water,) which almost succeeded, but failed.
http://sites.google.com/site/evernewecon
“I’m sure the Israelis are not immune from arrogance or anger upon the killing of loved ones.”
Depends on which “loved ones” you’re talking about. Jewish loved ones for sure; Palestinian loved ones, not so much.
“Remember, this is the same inept Administration that can’t give clear instructions to Obama’s personal emissary to Mubarak about what to say and when to keep his mouth shut as he contradicts the Administration’s latest version of its extend and pretend Egyptian policy.”
Bush’s third term…..well that’s not accurate,just as incompetent as GWBush,even more so.
“We need to borrow the Egyptian protesters because the regime that needs a “transition” is not merely Mubarak’s; it’s our own”
Yes,we need to start walking like the Egyptians,that’s how much we suck.Gawd,how can you not support folks(Egyptians) who are willing to sacrifice their lives for a better future.Our Govt(US) is robbing us & our kids of the future and most Americans can’t for whatever reason spend 5 minutes protesting for a better future for our kids.
What not that Muslin Loving RushBo??
Won’t surprise me….remember,about 6 weeks after Obama’s inauguration,he said he spoke with BWBush almost once every week to get advise & keep the former Prez apprised.
That’s when I knew we were screwed.He(Obama) was seeking the advise of the worst Prez of the USA,that says it all doesn’t it.
It’s like a snail seeking the advice of a tortoise on how to run fast.
I smell a case of those who are leaking don’t know and those who know aren’t leaking. I also smell Frank Wisner trying to act like his daddy. The US doesn’t have a lot of leverage in this situation, except over Gen. Tatawi, the defense minister. And even that is limited because China is very concerned about a similar revolt and has the dollars to easily backfill the withdrawal of American military aid.
The path that the opposition party leaders, who do not control the protesters–as Baradei, the Moslem Brotherhood, and the other opposition parties–see is a phased transition. Mubarak leaves; Suleiman as VP takes power (protester demand #1 met). Suleiman has the necessary changes made to the Constitution to allow all parties to participate in an election and appoints a multiparty interim government. The Suleiman dissolves the parliament, sets a date for parliamentary elections, turns the government over to the interim government and leaves. The main demand is that this interim government not be able to stand for election themselves; they are just caretakers until the parliamentary elections. The parliamentary elections occur; the parliament creates a new constitution in which the parliament elects the operative head of state. And then calls internationally-supervised elections under the new constitution.
All the indications are that the US government supports that direction. There are nervous nellies in the foreign policy establishment who are quaking in their bunny slippers about the possibility of Moslem Brotherhood participation in the government. But most analysts see the protesters’ goal as being something like Turkey.
Throughout, I get a sense that the media have made prejudgements about what the Obama administration should do and have constructed their narrative accordingly. And there are any number of unnamed sources willing to support that on background. One has to ask the motives of folks who are leaking to the New York Times at this point in a very serious process. It might not be because the US is about to do the wrong thing (when have the anonymous leakers ever been concerned about that) but because the US might actually be moving to do the right thing. And that might just have implications for a lot of folks like Tony Podesta and Frank Wisner who have financial interests in representing authoritarian regimes.
The story is about Egypt. Like it or not, the US is a bystander this time (Thanks, W).
“All the indications are that the US government supports that direction. ”
There are those who might disagree.
But, but, 11 dimensional chess.
Let me be a little more specific. All indications are that the President and the Secretary of State, along with the foreign ministers of the European Union, support that direction. Silvio Belusconi has his own Mubarak problems.
I would suspect that there are a number of people in the US foreign policy establishment and the Village who would like to sabotage any attempt by the Obama administration to change the US foreign policy approach. In this case, the key folks in Congress seem to be on board, with Kerry and McCain making the strongest statement by the US government.
I am aware there are those who might disagree with much of what I write.
It ain’t chess at all. It’s the force of events. And the ability to listen to foreign leaders.
Excellent Scarecrow, well laid out.
“All indications”
What are you referring to by that? What they & their reps say? Which (1) is anything but consistent, and (2) O usually sez teh opposite to what he believes & what he duz.
So if you could be more specific on “all indications,” it would be most helpful.
The borrow the protesters idea may be the only way we could get something going. Besides there would be a cosmic balance to a situation where the taxed sheep of America are paying for the Blackwater mercenary goons to be randomly killing in the Mideast while Egyptian protesters are being paid to protest those killings in the streets of America. In fact, it would be a case of applying the suave a little closer to the wound. Don’t worry the MSM would find a way to spin it to the satisfaction of the PTB.
You can be sure if major US cities were shut down by protests something would happen. The woe is me and why bother crowd is wrong to claim they are so powerless.
The Oligarchy’s position…not the people’s position. We still want not torture, servitude and starvation. anything short is unacceptable.
Robert Fisk, citing research by Nicholas Noe: For the past 2 years Wisner has been an employee of Egyptian govt law firm Patton Boggs. Does the power elite know how to spell conflict of interest?
“We”
Who is that “we” you refer to? The precedent in your sentence is ‘people’s position.’ Do you mean the peeps want torture, servitude and starvation?
“Does the power elite know how to spell conflict of interest?”
Yes. And the admin plays it deliberately. ‘Conflict of interest’ is USG friend.
Frank Wisner (Jr. & Sr.)? Wow!! Methinks you and I have been reading the same resource material. I am an avid student of history. And, yes it does repeat. Why not, if it worked 100s or 1000s of years ago why not stick with it. After all, human nature hasn’t really changed by any significant degree.
mubarak has served US interest well.. too bad his people don’t appreciate their “fearless leader”…
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Egyptian protesters? I wish them the best, but their low-hole card is the Egyptian military (an agent of the state) and good luck with that. Here in America? Well, they would be equally ineffectual.
Sorry to be so depressing, but the monied interests won. Actually, some time ago. You can vote for Pepsi or Coke, but it’s meaningless. The corporatist police state is here.
I have never been a scaremonger. And I choose my words carefully. And I expect derision, or worse, being ignored for posting about the dangers of our national security state to actual beliefs in freedom and democracy. But we have neither. It’s true you can say what you want, and that’s becuase no one pays attention; if, however, your speech poses a threat to the PTB, watch out. (Ask Bradley Manning.)
It’s here, the corporatist police state. And I honestly see no way of defeating it.
It is so depressing. As, perhaps, it should be. We do not live in the country so many think we do, with fireworks and orisons to Lincoln and JFK. People follow mindless pursuits, and no one cares.
Good night, and good luck.
finally!!! it’s been said… KO could not have stated it better…we have free speech only up to the point those in power allow…
Surely even our inept and overpaid intelligence establishment can work out that short-termism is a bad bet these days–even if the son of the founder of Operation Gladio is genetically programmed not to be able to see beyond his portfolio.
Why would any U.S. PTB think that short-termism is losing, when it has worked for so long?
Loved this to pieces, Scarecrow. But seriously:
Which stations would cover their protests in our names? Their Army joined them, or didn’t impede them much, at least. Here? Not so much—yet.
Hillary’s ‘Perfect Storm’ scenario leaned heavily on social networking, etc. Makes you know that ‘they’ are serious about being able to shut down any servers that threaten the status quo. some folks online say it’s impossible; I don’t know.
I was going to respond, “When finance capital phones in”, but then I realized that you are indeed correct.
This is late in the post, but there is no difference in the what they are “doing”, only in how they are saying it. O transition till sept elections (so they can get their Diebold machines in place) mine. or Wisner saying, he can stay until the elections in sept. Kerry says he did not agree with Wisner , but then says we have heard the demands of the protestors and we are going to begin the transition to have him leave. but he does not have to leave til elections. Wisner was sent personnelly by O and then they say, he does not speak for them. then they say Egyptians have to decide, but this is the plan and this is the way it will be.
Score.
“Extend and pretend” is certainly that multipurpose widget.
I guess it is “all indications, to me, are”. The diplomatic speak has been aimed in that direction. It is consistent with the opposition’s stated demands and seems aimed at providing a political space in which the current regime and the opposition can maneuver politically. It seems aimed at ensuring as much as possible that the issue will not be settled through repression.
(1) and (2) are cartoon sketches. We will have to wait and see whether they are accurate.
Botton line is, that the US has the plan and then they say they are listening to the demands of the protesters which is obvious they are not and according to Kerry this is the plan and it will be the plan, so obviously it is all worked out and the US has far more to do with it then they let on. And their main plan is to have their good friend the torturer have the power, plus keep Mubarak there and he just can’t run in Sept, of which since he has cancer, never intended to in the first place. And I have no doubt this administration will continue with the original plan which is to put Gamel in place in Sept. And protesters are dammed.
Marcy this is the best post I have seen for quite some time. You really do a great job of “seeing” and telling it like it is. Are there other people out there who get this besides you? I feel like I am alone in all this.
I have been watching this very closely and this is not what the opposition wants at all. this is what the administration clearly wants and has all along. Replacing their thug Mubarak with their thug and torturer Suluimium . Nothing this administration is putting forward is consistent with what the protesters want and as a matter of fact, they have come out and said they have not even been in the negotiating. So now we have this administration planning with the Muslim Brotherhood who did not even start this nor join in and they are representing the protesters? I apologize now if I am misunderstanding you. One of the things the media is reporting is that O said Mubarak had to leave now and he has never said that. Only that he had to start a transition now.
Your point about borrowing Egypt’s protesters is well-taken. They are more disciplined, strategically sharper, and more focused than any protesters the US has had since the Civil Rights Movement. To wit:
1. There are six demands that are clearly stated, transformational, and popular with the vast majority of people in the country. I have tried to figure out what would be similar in the US, and it usually goes to the influence of K Street on politics, the deformation of regulations by profiteering attorneys, the monstrous tax loopholes for those who can afford accountants. See, I’m trying to frame issues that cross all sorts of dividing lines.
2. The opposition movement did not strive for ideological purity, just for a limited number of goals that would provide the space for other changes to take place.
3. The movement has worked hard to prevent any one figure from co-opting it. Baradei, the Moslem Brotherhood, even the organized opposition parties have been held at a distance even as their support has been welcomed.
4. A communications network that actually turns out people on short notice.
5. Highly sophisticated self-organization that included strong attention to preventing agent provocateurs from destroying the moral authority of peaceful protest and strong self-defense groups that held off the goon squads.
6. Attention to logistics — food, water, sound system — developed as the protest grew.
7. Cross-generational, cross-class, and inter-religious coalition that allowed the turnout of large numbers, leveraging off of weekly religious services.
None of this was there at first, but there was enough self-leadership to figure this out quickly without getting bogged down. And some came as gifts from the greater community because the protest was exactly aligned with the community.
Herbert Marcuse called it “repressive tolerance”.
Are you calling listening to the torturer and the thug, listening to leaders and are you calling all the corporate leaders in Europe, listening to them. They read exactly what Hillary and Obama told them to read. In the UK they were at least honest about it and said they all wanted a consistent statement, when they repeated exactly what Hillary had said the day before. When our so called leaders e.g. Hillary tell us Mubarak is close friend of the family, she has lost a great deal of respect and credibility. How can you trust anything she says? Why not just do a coup, they seem to be able to do that to democratically elected presidents when the presidents think the wealth should be shared with the people and not stolen by the few
Where is this mysterious Third Party candidate that everyone keeps promising will run against ObamaCon-Man ????
@madma February 6th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
The administration (Obama) has not been planning with the Moslem Brotherhood but no doubt it suggested that that was one of the groups that needed to be at the table for dialog. That is just one of the groups that the Obama administration likely wants as part of the dialog. But there are no negotiations about the future government with Suleiman; any negotiations on the part of the opposition will be about when and how Mubarak is leaving, what the path forward is to an interim governement, who is in that interim government, and when and how that interim government takes charge of the Radio and TV ministry, the Interior ministry, the Defense ministry, and the Information ministry (And btw where are the keys, Mr. Suleiman). That is the extent of what the opposition expects to negotiate.
And according to public statements the Moslem Brotherhood is clear that it does not represent the protesters, but one of the things that has to be cleared away for all parties to participate under the current constitution is the ban on the Moslem Brotherhood’s participation. You are correct that Obama said that an orderly transition had to begin now. No head of state (except maybe W) says outright that another head of state has to go; Kerry and McCain made that point for the administration. But for Mubarak to go, someone needs to escort him out–and that person most likely will be Gen. Tatawi or someone who replaces Tatawi and has the loyalty of the army down to the rank and file.
The revolution in Egypt really is not about the United States. And its success or failure will not be because of United States actions. The attitude of the army, the patience of the public, and the determination of the protester will be what is determinative. The US is not likely to significantly change any one of those factors.
The US media have been horrible in their reporting what is going on. Between al-Jazeera English and English Twitter feeds (some skepticism required) it’s possible to get glimpses of the political maneuvering behind the scenes.
Well,is there any truth to the fact that John Podesta is a lobbyist for Egyptian Govt ?
makes sense when you think of it,Podesta & the Clintons.Clintons & Mubarak are very good friends.
Folks these people don’t care about you & I,they work for the wealthy & corporate elites to repress us,ordinary Americans.
Clinton never cared about ordinary Americans,just look at his record on taking away jobs from ordinary Americans & sending ‘em to China & India.
FDL covered this story earlier, but Robert Frisk has a detailed summary about Wisner’s glaring conflicts of interest in his appointment as Obama’s special envoy to the Mubarak regime.
Mr. Wisner appears to have the substance and direct experience for the task, but for the fact that he is currently part of the Patton Boggs (one of DC’s top law-cum-lobbying firms) team that lucratively supports Egyptian military, government and private business interests in the US. In a military dictatorship, even one with a constitutional patina, all roads and contracts lead to or through the dictator. In Mubarak’s case, that has led a former air force officer to amass a family fortune estimated to be $25-70 billion. Even if Mr. Wisner were to do the impossible and impose an adequate Chinese wall between the work he was doing two weeks ago, which he hopes will make up for having earned a government salary for over 30 years, his appearance of having a gross conflict of interest is overwhelming.
His choice suggests Obama is as desperate for continuity, not change inside Egypt as he is in post-Bush America. It also demonstrates again the president’s tone deafness when it comes to conflicts between big bidness and its lobbyists, and competent let alone good government.
It matters not who stands on the balcony.
Or in this case how to move his lips in time with the master.
Whatever happens, Obama and the elites will act like they orchestrated it as to make them seem in control. I hope the Egyptians won’t have any of it.
Remember the movie Titanic where the rich and powerful class actually bar the doors from the lower decks where the poorer people are located. This is what is happening. People need to look around and see who are these people that are blocking the exits and telling us , point blank, to stay behind these locked exits and drown. Will you “behave” like the elite tell you. Will you drown for them? Or,will you bash down these doors and ignore this sick authority and demand to be treated right?
Egyptians broke down the barricaded exits. Americans will probably drown as they have been told to do, sorry to say.
Wow. Beautiful rant, Scarecrow. Right on the money.
oct 28, 2011 — remember the right to assemble — remember the right to vote — see http://bobbievee.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/18/4300357-citigroup-plutonomy-memo-just-a-game-of-chess
Excellent points. We have much to learn from the Egyptians.
Excellent. Thanks.
You have an exaggerated idea of America’s power in the post-Bush era. The European leaders could very well tell the US to take a flying eff.
These leaders have to act chummy in order to have a conversation at all. All this “my dear friend”, “friend of the family” stuff is diplomatic politician garbage. Just like “the gentleman from Oklahoma” stuff in Congress.
Why not a coup? You need a sympathetic military in order to do a coup; militaries seem not be be supportive of certain types of democratic leaders unless there is a long-standing military culture of the military staying out of politics. To take a classic case, Allende was ousted by Gen. Pinochet. Apparently, Gen. Tatawi was approached to see what his intention were (the conversation with Defense Secretary Gates). No doubt that conversation was so indirect as to be plausibly deniable in either country. Tatawi apparently is not even ready to tell Mubarak to go and let Suleiman move things forward. Even where the US CIA organized coups, it was done with military officers who were already dissatisfied with their regime (or overly ambitious to have power).
If the Egyptian military automatically did the US bidding like Pinochet did ITT’s bidding, a coup might have been possible. The Tunisian revolution was essentially resolved in a coup by the military. Egypt will be more difficult. As long as the military refuses to repress the protesters and also refuses to ease out the regime, the situation will have to be resolved politically in Egypt, not the US, with the protesters power to shut down the economy (1 million tourists have left Egypt) being their main negotiating card. That however depends on the support of the people outside Tahrir Square and protest points in other cities–like at the train station in Alexandria– in order to be effective.
the key paragraph:
Yes. I think you’re right. Starving people will not prop up this shell of a man or this shell of a government. People will demonstrate when the situation becomes dire enough and there is no alternative. I wish it would happen before it comes to that, and maybe it will, but it will happen.
Scarecrow, this is the finest diary you’ve ever written, and you’ve written many good ones. Absolutely recommended.
Robert Fisk is one of the most informed writers around, IMO.
One party, one solution. And it isn’t the correct one.
We need a third party.
I’ve been dinging some right wing blogs with the question “what will your position be when the food riots start in the US?”
The usual response is: That could never happen here.
I fear they may be right.
The US will go gentle into that Good Night.
Well stated. Unfortunately, with nearly half the American public “medicated” into submission, thanks to obliging physicians and nefarious Big Pharma, it will take a whole lot more suffering to penetrate the Paxil and Zoloft fog many Americans are happily existing in.
The U.S. oligarchs are merely attempting to buy some time, while they look for the next “puppet” to spout “democracy” to the Egyptian people.
Let us hope that the Egyptians are smarter than this. All dictators talk about democracy when they are out of power, and then forget about it once in power. Just the way the U.S. likes it, so long as said dictator is willing to do our bidding.
Indeed. I think that this paragraph about sums it up.
I fear you may be correct. When the people take to the streets and damage the business environment of the country, Americans will learn the hard way the true fraud of this country’s “democracy” and “freedom”.
“Freedom of Speech. As long as you don’t say too much.”