Japanese officials on Thursday confronted significantly increased radiation readings, well above safe levels on land and sea. The increases occurred even as they continued efforts to inject fresh water in Units 1-3 reactors and spent fuel storage ponds and pumped contaminated water out of turbine building basements and nearby trenches. [NHK World reports there's some progress in removing that water.}
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow showed a graphic of the high radiation levels found by IAEA some 40 kilometers northwest of the damaged Fukushima Daiiche Nuclear Station. That's twice as far as the Japanese Government's official 20 km evacuation zone and beyond the out-to-30 km "voluntary" evacuation zone. Union of Concerned Scientists and others are citing this as a reason to expand the area of requirement evaculation.
Ocean readings later Thursday showed excessive levels increasing in the ocean near the plant. From the New York Times:
On Thursday workers prepared more tanks for transferring the water from turbine buildings at Reactors 1, 2 and 3 in a quest to keep the radioactive water from flooding into the ocean.
But readings taken in the sea near the plant showed that levels of radioactive iodine 131 had risen for another day, testing at 4,385 times the statutory limit, according to Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director general of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
The rise increases the likelihood that contaminants from the plant are continuously leaking into the sea, he said. On Wednesday the water tested at 3,355 times the safety standard for the isotope, up from Sunday’s reading of 1,150 times the maximum level.
The same isotope was detected at levels 10,000 the safety limit at Reactor No. 1, Bloomberg reported, citing a report by the plant’s operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Company, or Tepco.
Kyodo News reports the 10,000 times reading near Unit 1 was from ground water. The report also indicates TEPCO is considering spraying a [synthetic chemical] resin around Unit 4 to prevent radioactive dust from being dispersed by winds.
The type of radiation found by the IAEA and mention on Rachel Maddow is particularly troublesome.
The isotope, cesium 137, was measured in one village by the International Atomic Energy Agency at a level exceeding the standard that the Soviet Union used as a gauge to recommend abandoning land surrounding the Chernobyl reactor, and at another location not precisely identified by the agency. Using a measure of radioactivity called the becquerel, the tests found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter; the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.
In contrast to iodine 131, which decays rapidly, cesium 137 persists in the environment for centuries. The reported measurements would not be high enough to cause acute radiation illness but far exceed standards for the general public designed to cut the risks of cancer.
Also, TEPCO officials confirmed what we already knew: Units 1-4 will never be commercial again and will be written off. That confirmation was followed by the Government’s Minister Edano suggesting they should probably forget about the still (in theory) operable Units 5 and 6 too, given their proximity and the likelihood of continued high radiation levels in the area.
It’s not just the plant site, though; the surrounding community may not be habitable for the foreseeable future. Authorities are already concerned about residents in the required evacuation area trying to come in to retrieve possessions. Not only are they at risk, but the officials who have to watch over them and make sure everyone gets back out are too. And there’s this grim reminder:
Kyodo [News] also reported on Thursday that the bodies of hundreds of people killed by the quake and tsunami lie uncollected in the area near the plant because they were contaminated by radiation, leaving the police and morgue workers unable to safely handle them.
Meanwhile, the French are coming (GE and American NRC and others are already there). Reactor vendor Areva is sending a team of experts to help TEPCO. French President Sarkozy visited Prime Minister Kan, and they agreed they should strengthen nuclear safety standards. Good idea.
Helpful Sources:
Kyodo News: Japan Nuclear Crisis
Unit by Unit status updates (pdf) at the IAEA site
NYT Unit status
Washington Post simple graphics
TEPCO press releases
fleep.com/earthquake
NHK press releases



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Hmmm…map shows plume north extending to the northwest. I dunno why, but I was under the impression the plume would be out over the pacific. They’re not showing any ocean data they haven’t already admitted to.
Boxturtle (I just don’t believe the radiation stops at the coast)
Bury the reactor in concrete now before hurricane season starts and pray that the concrete dries before a hurricane hits!
Does anybody believe that they’re not going to lose all six reactors ?
Ge; we bring good death to life ,profitably.
The increases occurred even as they continued efforts to inject fresh water in Units 1-3 reactors and spent fuel storage ponds and pumped contaminated water out of turbine building basements and nearby trenches.
Where are they pumping the contaminated water and how much can they store before they run out of space?
Also BoxTurtle has a point about oceans and radiation we need a map of where the currents are and have been taking the radiation then we need a map of where the fish are.
Any places where fish gather to spawn or lay eggs near by?
We became death when we developed nuclear weapons to supposedly save a million lives during a land invasion of Japan.
If you still have an electric meter on your house they were lying out their ass.
On the removal of water from turbine buildings and trenches, see NHK World report/video. They’re making some progress.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/31_14.html
They can’t do that because they still risk re-criticality with at least Unit 2 and the spent fuel pond at Unit 4.
You’re right. It doesn’t. Maybe Rachel’s fancy graphic was only from dated gathered by a specific agency testing on land?
That should read data, not dated.
They also chose to ignore developing Thorium based nuclear power sources. because the Uranium based reactors make plutonium for weapons. and Thorium does not. It may be that the apparently safer Thorium might have proven unsuitable for power but we will never know because they wanted to have their g.d. weapons.
Have you seen any cost estimates for the cleanup?
I think TEPCO is going to fail because of this. In fact, I’m damn sure of it. I saw on one of the previous threads that Japan was considering nationalizing TEPCO, so the cost will fall on the Japanese people as a result.
Given the amount of time this site will have to be monitored and the amount of people needed to do that monitoring, the cost has to be in the hundreds of billions. How will this effect the Japanese economy?
But readings taken in the sea near the plant showed that levels of radioactive iodine 131 had risen for another day, testing at 4,385 times the statutory limit,
So no fish from the Pacific of the Gulf I am going to miss sea food:( 4,385 times the statutory limit means what as far as skin contact exposure goes or eating fish are my next questions?
Sure increased cancer risk but levels that high I’m thinking means hospital trips if you get exposed that and no swimming in Japanese beaches for how long?
I assume they if they got iodine 131 then they got cesium 137 in the ocean too and that stays radioactive longer I believe than iodine 131.
Cripes my tin foil hat is just not big enough to keep up with reality I haven’t felt this way since Bush lied about torture and Obama betrayed us on healthcare.
I found this fellow credible and informative. Hopefully I’m not gullible and misinformative.
http://www.fairewinds.com/multimedia
Britain’s Windscale accident (a fire) occured in 1957. They now estimate that cleanup will be complete in 2019, 28 years ahead of schedule. This was a “minor” accident, which over several years may have resulted in the premature deaths of 33 people.
I predict an abandoned zone of about 75 miles to 90 miles in diameter. Also a drop in the value of Alaska seafoods caught in 2011 of between 10% and 35%, though that will depend on several unpredictable variables.
You might find this site interesting. It doesn’t show nearly the number of data points I’d like (the closest one to me I’ve seen so far is in Nebraska, which isn’t all that close), but I do find some comfort in looking at it. Just remember if you do that Denver’s numbers are always going to be a bit (excuse the pun) elevated due to it being so much more above sea level.
http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
TEPCO is consistent
all bad news will be release on Friday
this situation is beyond dire and the corporate MSM acts likes this is no big deal.
the dinosaurs got wiped out by an Asteroid
humans will be wiped out by an idea call govt. for corporations by corporations.
when the aliens get here, they will say the Dinosaurs were a lot more intelligent than humans, the humans kill themselves.
That is quite a leap of faith that this can be cleaned up by any definition of the word.
Remain calm! All is well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro
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Have you seen any cost estimates for the cleanup?
Estimates depend on the quality of the clean up and compensation levels given a Katrina style clean up and compensation on the cheap is one thing.
A fair market value is another but everyday the cost of the clean up gets worse.
Also I don’t think we should believe any Japanese government estimates the Government is probably listening to the power company for estimates and I bet those estimates do not include the cost of replacing power from all 6 reactors.
Revenue from the 2 reactors they hope to save I bet are added into their estimates.
Also loss of tourism, farm exports quite possibly durable goods might end up being banned as radioactive if the radiation keeps spreading.
Got a Geiger counter ET if Alaska Fish starts to be radioactive then that hurts our economy and possibly Washington and Oregon salmon:(
Here is how Radiation effects the human body:
http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/radiation.human.body.html
Nuclear radiation, plutonium and other poisons entering our environment wherever we are. The effects of radiation include cancer, DNA damage, reproductive damage, hormonal damage, and thyroid damage (that’s why they want you to take potassium iodine, another dangerous toxin) but I wouldn’t. There is a much safer substances.
Instead you can use natural substances. There is one that is strong enough to protect against radiation. A good article on radiation sickness protection that shows what you can do is here:
http://thehealingfrequency.com/japan-reactor-fukushima-nuclear-radiation-protection/
And to make sure the water you drink is safe, look at the following article:
http://thehealingfrequency.com/nuclear-radiation-and-water-purification-tablet-adya-clarity-minerals/
ladies and gentlemen, “CLEAN” POWER
no such thing, lol
China is moving forward with R & D on thorium reactors.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/30/china-announces-thorium-reactor-energy-program-obama-still-dwelling-on-sputnik-moments/
GE stock is still not going down between their building this reactor and the news they don’t pay any taxes hitting the news both at the same time I would have expected a drop in their stock price.
Someone is telling big investors not to worry. I think the big investors are going to lose their shirt I doubt GE can afford to lose a few deals for new nuclear reactors?
Did Obama already promise to bail them out again and did the WH tell large investors that?
The La Rouches were outside the post office toady ranting about banks Bush and Obama they souneded like us they have a jobs plan a pipeline to bring water from Alaska to the Southwest powered by…wait for it nuclear power.
I think the right is turning to us for ideas like creating jobs is the way to get voters motivated and trying to raise anger at banks but of course they try and spin that anger toward more Nukes?
Thats where they lose people.
A camera on the concrete pump! http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13684184
They’ve flown a remote plane fairly close also for photos.
You cannot bury the reactors like they did at Chernobyl. The reason, the radiation has already broken through the reactor floor and has found an avenue to the soil and water. That is why the readings keep increasing in the sea near the plant.
Also, the situation is not resolved with the pools, spent fuel rods, and therefore covering them up would only insulate the trapped radiation allowing them to exponentially increase the pressure and radioactivity.
Imagine covering a pot of boiling water. The lid will jump from all the pressure from the heat and boiling water and water vapors. Well the same happens with the fuel rods and radioactive pool if they were burried and not allowed to cool somehow like with a constant supply of water. By sealing it, you create the danger of an explosion that would send the compressed radiation into the atmosphere.
My explanation is very simplistic to the real situation. There maybe tens to hundreds of sqaure miles that will be uninhabitable for centuries because of the radioactive exposure to the natural water wells and soil.
The high-res photos at the end of the last update were wonderful.
The glowing green around the spent fuel pond in Unit 4 still freaks me out. That means the caps and roof completely blew off of the unit and the fuel is exposed to the elements. Also too, steam from 2, 3, and 4 in all of the photos.
ZOMG! I just opened the feed. This is going to be the best look we’ve gotten into the units.
The EPA has developed a unique solution to combat radiation levels in the US. They will be significantly raising their PAGs (Protective Action Guides). They did something similar to this in order to claim the air was safe to breathe at Ground Zero.
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/03/epa-to-help-mainstream-media-obscure.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActivistPost+%28Activist+Post%29
Thanks. so much for the link. I think I had heard this. I
t is practically impossible to get much information on Thorium but on the surface it really seems to be a much more manageable method..I am not letting myself get carried away.at this point however. I do find it interesting how little has ever been mentioned since the sixties or before.
all bad news will be release[d] on Friday…the dinosaurs got wiped out by an Asteroid
Connecting the dots, then: Asteroid hit on a Friday when the rest of the universe had collapsed their Jetson briefcases into aircars and headed for the rings for a weekend holiday…
2062 is only half a century away. Odds on whether we will make it that far?
Considering that GE CEO Immelt is on Obama’s jobs team, nothing will happen to GE. And since Obama still wants to pursue nuclear options for energy, and GE is at the table, guess who will be building new reactors in the US?
And as far as taxes…the American taxpayer will be sent the bill for the lost taxes. So more of the fire the teaches and attack the unions type of bs.
I think cost along with other factors is spelling collapse for Japan for many decades. Such a shame. All they have done is suffer then emulate our idiocy. Somehow doesn’t seem fair.
That is a massive amount of steam coming through the rubble.
David Dayen once again has a fresh cross-post already in progress: House Republicans Deliver Nonsense Letter to Elizabeth Warren
On the plus side, what I thought was radioactive material glowing green is actually equipment that appears to be painted green.
The report also indicates TEPCO is considered spraying a water-soluble resin around Unit 4 to prevent radioactive dust…
Corexit might work.
So is India, as they have very large amounts of thorium reserves
My prediction is that GE will suffer no consequence for this. The stock will not go down significantly. Most citizens don’t connect the dots, and those that do – who own GE stock – don’t give a sh*t. JMHO
heh… no doubt BP has some that they’re willing to sell to TEPCO… for a small fee, of course…
There’s something really bad about the Thorium decay products. Very poisonous metals somewhere. Or combustible.
Need to find the reference.
India Unveils its Thorium reactor (2005)
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/25nuke.htm
2008 update
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/nuclear/qa-thorium-reactor-designer-ratan-kumar-sinha
All this is taking place while the US continues to spend most of its GDP blowing things up.
Some of the Green is a host assembly. The pictures show green equipment when in focus.
Thanks. I also can’t reference the negative side of Thorium but know it is iffy as a panacea. P
I would just as soon abandon all nuclear energy efforts.
We really need to get on with balancing consumption with renew ables. A big source we forget is human. More bikes and bike roads, good old sustainable gardening etc. It will do wonders for lifespan too.
one of the most beautiful colors in the world intense, soft, and deep.
years ago, i saw a picture of this and, to this day, have never forgotten that color.
I delivered a bit of a package regarding some of that and how it ties economically over at EmptyWheel’s thread, “Goldman’s Lies and Jamie Dimon’s Piggy Bank” (By: emptywheel Thursday March 31, 2011 2:11 pm) here.
When Thorium decays it creates radon gas. However, the decay rate is extremely slow. It has a half-life of 12-14 billion years. Yes, it is combustible when exposed to air and can ignite spontaneously.
More of The New Normal.
I noted that below, but I’m with orionATL. That green is hypnotic. And some of the green visible in the video and in the high-res pics from New York Post two weeks ago appears to be from radioactive material.
There is a group trying to combat this move by the EPA, PEER (Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility). They are a service organization that provides an outlet for Federal & State employees to anonymously “blow the whistle.” I listened to a radio interview of PEER’s Executive Director earlier today about this issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNerpxaQfDk
“We became death when we developed nuclear weapons to supposedly save a million lives during a land invasion of Japan.”
I am so sick of this revisionist history “We didn’t have to nuke Japan, they would have surrendered.” It’s all pure bullshit. And the estimate of a million casualties? Bona fide. First thing you need to do is look at the loss ratios of U.S. to Japanese deaths on each successive island campaign. You say the Japanese civilians wouldn’t have fought to the death? Look at the ones who committed suicide rather than surrender on Saipan and Okinawa.
Then you might like to order several of the History Channels DVDs about “Japanese Secret Weapons of WWII” and “WWII: Japan, The Final Days”. Hiroshima, the first city to be hit with a nuke, Nagasaki the second. Know which city almost became the first? Try Los Angeles. See, during WWII the Japanese had by far the biggest submarines. Made the US and German boats look like bathtub toys. Why? Because most Jap submarines were primarily intended as sub-surface cargo vessels to reinforce Japan’s far-flung island empire, free of harrassment by enemy aircraft and subs.
Being as big as they were, Japanese submarines were big enough to carry deck-mounted watertight hangars for seaplanes with folding wings. On the day we bombed Hiroshima, a Jap seaplane sub was off the coast of Baja, CA, just one day’s sailing from the point at which it was scheduled to launch a seaplace loaded with a radioactive “dirty bomb” which would fly low under our radar defenses then detonate at 500 feet over downtown L.A. After we attacked Hiroshima the Emperor ordered a hold on the attack while he tried to figure out if the US had another bomb, and whether attacking the US would cause us to back off, or just create even more anger from a “mainland Pearl Harbor”.
BTW: The radioactive materials for this seaplane attack came from Japan’s own nuclear weapons development program in Manchuria. (In those days at least they had the good sense to keep that shit away from the mainland.) In the period between the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japanses scientists in their nuke program achieved the last step they needed to build their own test bomb, their version of our New Mexico “Trinity” project.)
Speaking of the Emperor, in that “Last Days” series there is a very interesting show on the attempted coup that almost killed the Emperor. Seems that Tojo and the military brass were dead set against surrender. The Emperor had to record his surrender address on a record, which loyal staffers hid until the announced time of the broadcast. Meanwhile, other loyal guards fought a gunbattle on the palace grounds against the coup forces. Eventually the recorded broadcast took place and the officer leading the coup committed suicide, along with most of the soldiers participating in the coup.
Then there’s the subject of Japan’s ability to repell an invasion, and the “million casualties” estimate. A lot has been made of our bombing of “civilian” areas of Japan, esp. around Tokyo. Well, guess what, friends: As our aerial assaults picked up, Japan dispersed much of its munitions work to thousands of tiny neighborhood shops where firearm components were machines and assembled, ammo and artillery rounds assembled, replacement airplane parts and so forth made. In addition to these “civilian” defense works, Jap has a well-organized “Home Defense” system, with virtually every able-bodied citizen committed to fighting to the death to protect the Emperor and the homeland. This Home Defense force had access to both neighborhood produced military weapons, grenades, mines, etc., but also had a fully implemented program of makeshift weapons, everything from spears, bows-and-arrows, and sharpened bamboo spears to the kind of stuff we encountered in Vietnam: punji pits, booby-trapped tension devices, “IEDs”, etc.
And then there’s the myth that Japan had no airplanes and fuel left. Seems that’s no quite the case. After we occupied Japan we got one helluva shock: they had 7,000 (that’s right, a 7 followed by three zeros) planes hidden in caves, tunnels, etc. Many were set up to roll out and take off from fields. Others were set up on railroad cars that had been modified to serve as quasi-catapult launchers so that the planes could be sent airborne out of the caves and tunnels. They had more than sufficient fuel supplies and munitions to fully supply these planes for their missions.
Is there really a need to explain that all of these planes were one-way trips? Nah, I didn’t think so. But if you want some really chilling facts, go research our losses from “divine wind” attacks at Saipan and Okinawa. Then consider that for each of those attacks we had at least 20-30 minutes of warning from our radar units, picket ships, and task force aerial umbrella. This enabled us to shoot down most of the Kamikaze planes. Only a fraction got through. But with an invasion of the Japanese home islands our warning time for most attacks, esp. on our invasion forces and close-in support ships, would have been down to about 30 seconds, and never more than just a couple of minutes.
(A plane flying at 300 miles an hour covers 50 miles in ten minutes. We didn’t have airborne AWACS radar then, so unless a plane flying fighter cover picks up the attacking plane, we don’t see it until it pops out of the valley and over the hill, ready for its attack run.)
Much has been made over the years of Robert Oppenheimer’s subsequent regrets over developing our nuclear weapons program. But the thing is, Oppenheimer never knew much of what I’ve just explained. He was always considered somewhat of a leftist “risk” and was only brought into the program because, well, in war like WWII, you gotta do what you gotta do. After the war his misgivings about nukes led him to lose his security clearance, thus he was never privvy to a lot of this information, which only came out in late 1990′s, long after his death. The government was so embarassed by the gap between its estimates of remaining Japanese war supplies and the reality that the truth only came out when a number of records were routinely declassified 50 years after the end of the war.
Thanks. That seems to pretty much rip the notion of safer.
None of what you say, most of which is undocumented mythology ie bullshit in its own right, is a rational reason for the introduction of what may well be the death of the planet, not to mention the incredible atrocity committed on Japanese civilians.
I do find it ironic that their emulating our technology may come back home.
this is the color i was recalling:
title: … “today i learned about ‘spent fuel pools’ “….
~~~linked here to preserve margins~~~
picture from here:
http://www.google.com/images?q=spent-fuel+pools&hl=en&prmd=ivnsu&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&wrapid=tlif130162019106210&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-SWVTb-LGtKutwfnpczyCw&ved=0CE8QsAQ&biw=1389&bih=648
I have bookmarked both links. I particularly like the clear description of dose/effect in the YouTube presentation.
We have had figures on the dosage effects of irradiation on humans for decades, yet you would think from the PTB that we “just can’t predict.” This style of denial and belittling concerns about environmental assaults on the whole is not only infuriating, it is so terribly dangerous. You expected it from the Neanderthal GOP — but — that’s been said many times. (sigh)
wikipedia has a good page on it, imo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
“There is no need for fuel fabrication. This reduces the MSR’s fuel expenses. It poses a business challenge, because reactor manufacturers customarily get their long-term profits from fuel fabrication. Since it uses raw fuel, basically just a mixture of chemicals, current reactor vendors do not want to develop it. They derive their long-term profits from sales of fabricated fuel assemblies. A government agency could, however, type-license a design, which utilities could replicate. An alternative business model might be to charge for maintenance and reprocessing of the salt.”
Her data came from here. We linked to it last week.
KrisAinCA is right. This shows the overland mapping. I also saw a map of the plume deposition to the east (over the water) and it was much more dramatic. I.e., nearly all the plume went toward the east, according to the data that has been posted to the web.
If you don’t know what the NNSA is, check them out, also here.
If these guys don’t know what they are doing, we’re all in serious trouble!
More recent data, based on MEXT (non-NNSA, Japanese) sources (largely the same as fleep.com/earthquake, but mapped) shown on the third page of this presentation.
radon is bad news, and problematic buildup of it in work areas is possible. and the whole spontaneous combustion thing.
also, thorium clears from the body more slowly, so it poses a greater hazard in terms of inhalation/absorption. uranium gives more beta radiation than thorium, but thorium gives more gamma radiation, unit for unit. the risk of something catastrophic at a thorium reactor may be lower, given the way the reaction works, but in the event of an accident at a thorium reactor, there is the potential for nastier things to be released. plus you still have to put the waste somewhere, of course.
Remote plane photos:
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2011/03/fukushima_dai-ichi_aerials.html
Cadmium and lead are good neutron absorbers. I wonder if McDonald’s has any leftover recalled children’s toys and glasses that it could toss into those reactors, too.
I guess we can look at the bright side. If cadmium and lead eventually become as expensive as gold, China will soon manufacture and export only lead-free and cadmium-free toys.
WOW. Having spent a 35 year career working in power plants, I think I’m qualified to comment on what I’m seeing in that video. The green bridge crane (I’ll low ball the weight at 30 TONS) has fallen into the spent fuel pool. That has done some serious damage to the racks that hold the spent fuel rods, I’m sure. I could speculate that fuel rods are laying scattered on the bottom of the pool. No wonder steam is rising from that pool. And, I’m unconvinced that any glow is emanating from the pool because there is so much debris covering it that I think it is impossible to even see a pool–the only indication that it is (was) there is the steam rising.
Now, I wonder if the quake dropped the crane into the pool or did the h2 blast do it. I keep hearing that the reactor sites survived the quake. Exactly how would we know that???? I suspect that piping, pipe supports, motor mounts, etc. may have been severely damaged even before the tsunami.
Finally, it is strange that we have no video of the blast from the Unit 4 building, only Units 1 and 2. Why is that?
http://energyfromthorium.com
Scarecrow this may be of use to your reporting
Questions Over the Design of Fukushima Nuclear Plant
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/energy/26524
This one is especially good. Also see the presentation by Areva.
http://energyfromthorium.com/2011/03/30/areva-fd-presentation
So, we’d be better off not dropping the bomb, letting Japan finish developing it’s bomb which it could then drop, first over our naval fleets, and then later, if necessary, over Hawaii, the West Coast, etc? That’s your plan.
I love you way you dismiss things as undocumented mythology. So your position is, The History Channel, whose very existence depends on it’s historical validity, is going to risk that by airing unvetted documentaries that have no basis in fact, that were not researched, have no documentation? Yeah, right.
I watched a Noam Chomsky video recently, taped last fall, where Chomsky reported something about Japan in 2010 which I’d missed. The majority of the Japanese people wanted US military in Japan to withdraw from the bases established there at the end of WWII. The Japanese prime minister had run his campaign pledging to do this, yet Obama’s administration — in its first months, when many of us believed Obama would lessen US military aggression — opposed any diminishment of the US presence in Japan. Unable to fulfill his campaign promise, the PM resigned in June. Chomsky’s point was that this was a clue to the hawkish nature of Obama’s administration; but it’s also a sad subtext for the current story. The Japanese people, weary of US overseers, are now seeing them take an even more controlling role than before.
The anti-nuclear movement became invisible following the construction of the Seabrook nuclear power plant. Much knowledge of the hazards of nuclear electric generation has been suppressed, pushed into an Orwellian memory hole. In the interest of brevity, Ralph Nader warned of the dangers of nuclear power in the 1970s. He was ignored. Maybe you want to look up some his statements. Also, read about Karen Silkwood and John Goffman for starters.
Focusing on the dangers of nuclear reactors provides sufficient reason to persuade those who are not invested in nuclear power. But these reasons have no sway with the decision makers. This is because nuclear generation is not about making electricity it is about making profits. State regulated utilities are allowed to set their rates to make a fixed percentage of the amount they have invested in their enterprise as profits. The more expensive the infrastructure, the bigger the profits. Of course the folks that put these radioactive stink bombs together make a few bucks also. Some may recall, from years ago, the statement oft made at anti-nuclear rallies that nuclear power is the most expensive way man has ever devised to boil water. Now, maybe, the attraction of nuclear power becomes clear. Once you realize that the federal government provides all kinds of subsidies (including insurance) for this deadly technology, it is obvious why big money cannot resist the lure of placing working people in danger of premature, lingering death.
Problematic as nuclear power is, it is merely a symptom of what really ails the world — rapacious capitalism and the arrogance of governments ruled by a consortium of state and corporate power. There really is no meaningful politics at this point except us versus them.
Good luck to you all in the birth defect and cancer lotteries.
The Areva presentation linked by fml above is really good, I encourage everyone who is interested in the series of events to read it. It may not be there for long, so you may want to download it soon and read it at your leisure.
I would like to know how much farm land is lost.
Japan doesn’t have any to spare.
The USA is turning into the former soviet union.
Thanks for these links. A friend had sent me a similar AREVA presentation a few days ago, so I was aware of it. It had not been released yet. Good summary and timeline.
Holy cow! The LA Times is reporting this:
Translation: what is happening now is bad, but the power in unit 1 could rise by a factor of 200 in a very short period of time without warning.
That would be the end of overtime.
From the same LA Times article:
To which I will add (reminding you of the running FDL predictions starting from several days ago):
o This collection of accidents will be raised to INES level 7.
o There will be additional long-term evacuations.
o There remains no viable plan to gain control of the situation.
o The only long-term “solution” seems to be large scale ocean dumping, which itself may not be technologically possible. This may not be attempted because of the severe economic and climate consequences associated with abandonment of nuclear power, and there is a chance that the engineers on the ground can hold things together long enough. Failure remains potentially catastrophic.
o Unit 4 is the greatest concern.
On the last point:
o The entire core fuel assembly for unit 4 was outside the containment vessel at the time of the earthquake and tsunami, in the spent fuel pond.
o The entire core fuel assembly for unit 4 remains outside the containment vessel.
o That reactor core has 69 tonnes of fuel.
o The unit 4 core was last known to be critical in November, 2010.
o At the time of the earthquake, there was enough water in the SFP to last 10 days. The explosion in unit 4 — which could only have come from the loss of water — came only 5 days after the earthquake. There is a leak from the unit 4 SFP.
o Most of the serious airborne radiation release to date has been from unit 4 [this is my assertion, but I can back it up].
o There is no viable cooling system in place for unit 4 that has been reported, except for serious kludges (concrete pump trucks, helicopter drops, firemen from the ground).
o People say the cores in units 1-3 will be safe soon (such as free market libertarian). They are in essentially the same shape as the unit 4 core, except that they are of course in containment. My point: the unit 4 fuel assembly went very seriously exothermic months after full criticality when cooling was lost. Basic physics tells you the same thing is true in the reactor cores of units 1-3, only more so. They can pump water over units 1-3, but that water is going into the environment. There are some terrible decisions to make, and they need to be made and executed soon, or this could all get much worse.
Unit 4 will be too “hot” (radioactive) to handle for years. Ditto the rest of the inventories (cores in units 1-3, 5-6; waste in SFP 1-3, 5-6).
Lobster, that LA story warrants a new, separate post. Also, note from above that an AREVA ppt presentation is now public. I think I will post a commentary on several key slides that either provide new information or help to explain what we’ve been saying in these updates. The graphics and timelines are very helpful.
Am I missing something? It seems to me that TEPCO’s big plan is to restore power to machines for cooling, right? Am I misunderstanding something to think these machines likely are not going to work? I’m not an engineer, but I’ve read that some of the cooling requires pressurized system, I guess for circulating the water, but the current thinking is that these systems have been compromised, at best with leaks and at worst with outright ruptures. So, it seems to me that this sole plan of action they are focused on is doomed to failure already, yet that is all they continue to do. Meanwhile, the situation steadily worsens with regard to radioactive contamination increasing around the site.
So, what happens if/when they finally get their machines hooked up to power…and then they don’t work? What then?
This is the story that prompted my post above. It really is maddening. I’m half way across the globe, so I can only imagine how people in Japan are feeling about this completely inept approach.
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/82578.html
ok by me. check email please
wrt flashes of radiation and localized criticality: Oklo.
Cooling without pressurization is ok; it could continue to work in principle. It requires long-term vigilance and no severe piping failures in a damaged environment. Also, there is evidently a direct connection from the damaged fuel to the cooling water to the environment in at least one unit (probably unit 2), so this route gives you slow, continuous release onto the ground and into the water.
Slow, water-bound release into the ground and ocean is less of a disaster than injection into the air, which could happen if they stop cooling. Rapid ocean dumping would isolate the groundwater and the chances for explosions but may not be possible. Obviously it would be a terrible outcome. They all are.
This is a good time to remind anyone reading this: I am not an engineer. I am an academic (physics professor). I have some understanding of the physics and some understanding of the engineering, but I have never worked on a fission reactor. I see the role of these comment threads as a place to sort out real concerns from imagined concerns and to keep a conversation going for all of us who are (for whatever reason) following the events in Fukushima. We have been mainly aggregating and filtering, with a few calculations here and there to help make sense of the reporting that is coming from many, many sources.
Unlike the Deepwater Horizon oil, there is no way to hide radiation. That makes this event different. There is a certain inherent transparency; there are things we know regardless of the TEPCO statements, the ANS statements, whatever. But there are things we don’t know and things that nobody knows.
For example, when the explosion/fire happened in unit 4, it was a genuine surprise to everyone I know. There was supposed to be enough water in that pool to last for much longer. Was that a surprise to the insiders? Based on the response, I think so.
When the water outside the CV was found to be highly radioactive, that was a surprise. As far as I can remember, we thought there was still containment until that point. It was clear that there was a breach of containment at some level on Saturday morning, 12 March, but that could have been minor and it could have remained minor.
The observation of neutron signals btw March 13-15 was a surprise, but not very easy to understand and as reported, possibly irrelevant. The signals that were reported were weak and distant from the reactors. The fact that the LA Times is picking up that thread and talking about localized criticality probably reflects a broader consensus developing behind the scenes w.r.t. to the combination of the assays of the leaked water that TEPCO has released (esp. the Cl-38 concentration) and the analysis of the meaning of the Cl-38 finding, first posted at Arms Control Wonk.
The meaning of all these surprises is not known. We can all speculate and that’s fine; what I mean is, it is not yet known how this will play out. There is still a lot of energy in the 11 danger zones (6 spent fuel ponds, 5 containment vessels) that has to be controlled. That will take luck and more, but failure does not necessarily imply the very worst case scenarios will occur. There is considerable honest uncertainty about what the best and worst case scenarios are.
And now, back to the regularly scheduled programming…
Apologies if this has already been posted, but this is footage of the interior of reactor #4.
http://enenews.com/first-look-inside-destroyed-reactor-no-4-at-fukushima-daiichi-video
Scarecrow do you know if there’s a video or audio to go with the presentation?
This is a 4 minute video explaining what we’re seeing in Unit 4 reactor and what that likely means.
http://vimeo.com/21789121
The LATimes also says not all the workers have film badges or dosimeters. “Lost in the tsunami”.
What, TEPCO’s procurement officer can’t even find Google Shopping?
Speechless doesn’t even begin.
BBC
4cdave, O/T, I am trying to install your Greasemonkey script with no success. Can you email me at msmollynd AT gmail DOT com so I can ask a question? Thanks!
Not that I know.
Some interesting discussion on the issue of re-criticality here
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/04/fukushima_update_did_nuclear_c.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+news%2Frss%2Fthe_great_beyond+
Note of interest for fml from the IAEA:
(emphasis added)
I’ll stop beating the dead horse now.
Terrific annotations from UCS for the high-res photos linked above.
Today’s highlight from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:
From the Asahi Shimbun:
Asahi Shimbun again:
A bit more from the Asahi Shimbun. The whole article is good.
Wondering about the radiation reports? Here is a reasonable article on the worldwide effort to measure the radioactivity in the air from Fukushima. I believe I see one overly strong conclusion (‘fuel rods did not catch fire’) but lots and lots of good details.
The finale comes from the paper Professor Foland found and linked for us a few days ago:
I just read TEPCO is looking for Jumpers to do rapid in-out tasks in the hottest areas, they will pay $4500 a shift.
Great oppertunities for the unemployed but not much chance for advancement due to shortened lifespan.
Time will tell whether it will be or not.
Two developments today;
Discovered a 20cm long crack in a concrete wall of the “pit” of #2, and they believe this is how water is tainted water is getting to the sea. They are patching this crack today.
Power was restored to the 8 monitoring posts of the plant today. Highest levels being shown were 390 microsieverts/hr (1km southwest of reactors #1-#4). Lowest reading was 19 microsieverts.
Apologies if this has already been linked before, but I just came across this site (Japan Atomic Industrial Form) that has technical updates of each reactor in English.
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/
Of course, but that is not the point. You accused us of scaremongering by using imagery of “battling” the reactors for a long period of time, when we are echoing the sentiment and precise terminology of the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Millie, what has the Japanese-language press (i.e. newspapers in Tokyo) reported about the issue of “localized criticality” or “re-criticality”?
Yes I did say that. I think spreading of fear is unjustified. But I’ve learned that in these matters of disagreement what usually happens is that people don’t want to listen anyway and when the crisis is over and they see their fears were unfounded they just forget about it and ignore what was justified and what was irrational fears.
Fair enough. I share your dislike for spreading fear. However, I think what has been happening on this site (and several others) is primarily the spreading of information. Sometimes information is scary, but that does not mean it should be withheld. People deserve the right to make well-informed decisions, and they need context to understand unfamiliar information.
As for the rest of your argument, I don’t follow. If we were arguing about whether it was possible for a flipped coin to come up heads five times in a row, and then we did a single experiment and it didn’t happen, it would be completely foolish for the person who said it was not possible to claim victory.
However the situation at Fukushima might finally turn out, one realization of a rare event (three-core partial meltdown substantially in containment and one core partial meltdown substantially out of containment) will not have told us much about whether we should have been afraid today. What is important is what our best understanding of the current information indicates.
The death and destruction caused by the tsunami is awful, but it is largely over. Each of us has a basic, realistic understanding of what that was all about. There have been tsunamis in the past and there will be tsunamis in the future.
On the other hand, in all the long history of Earth, there has never been an event like the one now unfolding on the northeast coast of Japan. I’m not saying it is the most awful thing ever (I don’t think it is) — simply that this is the first time. When will it be over? What might it mean for the health of people of Fukushima Prefecture, of Japan, of the US, and of the world? How will we know when it is over? What should we do now, before it is over? Will it happen again? These are important questions. I think that the conversation going on here at FDL is an important part of staking down what we thought when, and what it seemed to mean when.
Anyway, this discussion is not even on the front pages, so I don’t think much fear or knowledge is really being spread!
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What would you say about the times when the crisis is over and people see that reality turned out worse than they feared? There are lessons to be learned in that case, too.
However this ends up, I am glad that there is a real-time, public discussion of what it seems to mean each day, from the perspectives of many different people (including those who say there is nothing to worry about).
I tried an experiment last night. I read through the first 50 pages of posts and comments at the Reuters Japan site, in time order. It is amazing to see the information unfold with the responses ranging from certainty that the sky has already fallen to assurances that no radiation can be released. Try it. I found it to be humbling. There have been some really enormous surprises over the last three weeks. At some point the surprises will be over, but I don’t know if we are at that point yet.
Top-notch review of the whole Fukushima accident here, by David Wright. Title (for future reference) is “3-Week Update on Japan’s Nuclear Crisis”.
My assertion about unit 4 being the main source of “serious airborne radiation” above may be incorrect. For the record, I was thinking about Cs-137 (rather than I-131, which has a short half-life and could not therefore be coming from unit 4) and I based the statement on three pieces of evidence:
o The highest on-site peak in the gamma radiation monitoring at the gates of the plant correspond in time to the unit 4 fire/explosion.
o The fuel from Unit 4 is all outside containment and there was clearly a problem with overheating of the cladding. The radiation field from unit 4 was very high on the day of the helicopter dousing attempt.
o I remembered that the Cs-137 deposition in the northwest direction seemed to be correlated with the wind direction on the days when unit 4 was most active.
However, I am having trouble finding the data to substantiate this last point.
Repeating a guest comment over at UCS.
What the heck is going on in the Unit 5 and Unit 6 drains???
This is exceedingly strange data. I.e., exceedingly alarming.
All I see is a chart full of dots…not that I’d really understand the numbers if I could see them. What does the chart indicate and why is it alarming?
Hi yellowsnapdragon.
The chart shows the radiation content of the water found in the sub-drains of units 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 late in the morning of March 30.
Unit 2 is where all the attention is focused. Remember from the pictures that units 5 and 6 are completely separated from the other four reactor buildings and have not been in the news at all thus far.
Unit 2 has no observable Te-129, an isotope with a half-life of 70 minutes. Unit 6 has 81 Becquerels per cubic centimeter. Is that high? I do not actually know the typical background levels, but there is none observed in units 2, 3 or 4.
Across the rest of the isotopes in the table, with only one exception, unit 6 consistently has higher values of Bq/cm**3 compared to unit 2, often by a factor of 5 or more. Unit 5 also has non-zero values in the table, but less than unit 6.
You might argue that this is evidence of an old spill that we haven’t heard about, but the Te-129 argues against that. Nothing with a half life of 70 minutes would be around unless it is being produced or leaked to that point.
You might also argue that the total amount of water in the unit 6 sub drain is small, but these isotopes should not be there at any level.
I do not understand what a “sub-drain” is, but the link to this page from the TEPCO press release page says this is in the turbine building.
Something is very wrong. I can understand (at some level) the earlier reports which confused one radioactive isotope for another, but I cannot understand how anyone could have filled out this chart without fully understanding that there were radioactive elements in the unit 6 turbine building sub-drain that absolutely should not have been there.
So: what the heck is going on?
Let’s move this conversation over to the active Japan thread.