The inimitable Digby points us to another effort by Rep. Paul Ryan to misrepresent his deeply unpopular Medicare voucher plan. It’s not clear whether Ryan simply doesn’t understand his own proposal or is just a serial liar.
Digby links to coverage (and the video here) at Think Progress, which catches Ryan admitting that his plan requires a “mandate” but then claiming falsely that “[i]t literally would be like Medicare Advantage.”
Q: If Medicare becomes a voucher program, would you require seniors to purchase private insurance and if so isn’t that an individual mandate? If you will not require them to purchase insurance how do you propose to prevent a situation where the costs of uninsured seniors is very expensive and gets passed on to me as a private policy holder? [...]
RYAN: Its mandate works no different than how the current Medicare law works today, which is you just select from a wide range of different plans. It literally would be like Medicare Advantage…
Having shown that Ryan’s plan has a “mandate” for those who later reach 67 (yeah, he’d raise Medicare’s eligibility age, too) just as the Affordable Care Act does for those under 65, TP’s Igor Volsky then adds this:
All this tells us is that the mandate isn’t some horribly coercive policy aimed at usurping individual freedoms. Rather, it is a mechanism by which government attempts to encourage more individuals to purchase coverage and expand the size of the health care risk pool, thus spreading the costs and risks of insurance across a larger population (and bringing down health care costs). It’s simply asking able individuals to take personal responsibility for their health care expenses and it’s something Republicans have supported in the past and (apparently) still favor.
That general statement about some mandates is fine, but it leaves out the main reasons why the Ryan plan mandate is so offensive, such bad public policy and so unpopular. But to see this, we need to recognize there are good and necessary mandates, lousy mandates, and truly awful mandates. Consider the following possible frameworks that include some type of mandate for the covered group:
1. Everyone has to pay taxes (allocated through whatever progressive means you want) to cover program costs. Everyone gets full Medicare coverage. The coverage keeps up with the rising costs of care, so government makes best efforts to control costs. This would be a form of single-payer, or if we’re only talking about seniors, straight Medicare.
2. Same as 1, but beneficiaries get a choice between government-provided Medicare or private insurance that must cover at least the same benefits. The private insurers must offer/provide coverage for anyone who asks and receive a voucher from the US Government equal to (at least) the average cost of Medicare. Government Medicare and the private equivalent funded through government vouchers will make best efforts to keep up with the rising cost of care. This is the current framework for Medicare with the choice of Medicare Advantage (which actually gets a subsidy). But that’s not Ryan’s proposal.
3. Everyone under 65 has to purchase insurance from either a government Medicare-like plan (public option) or a private insurance plan providing at least the same defined benefits. The government will provide vouchers to some, but not all, based on need to help cover the cost of either form of insurance. This is the framework with a “public option” that some liberals wanted in the Affordable Care Act. They didn’t get it.
4. Everyone has to purchase private insurance; there is no public/Medicare option. The government will provide vouchers to some, but not all, based on need to help cover the cost of the private insurance. The government vouchers will increase in an effort to keep up with rising insurance costs for those most in need. This is the framework of the Affordable Care Act: a mandate with limited vouchers but only for private insurance.
5. Same as 4 for seniors — everyone has to purchase private insurance — except the government will provide vouchers that diminish in value relative to the rising costs of health care, thus shifting the uncovered rising costs to the beneficiaries who must either use more of their income for insurance or go without health care. There is no public/Medicare option. This is the Ryan Plan.
As you can see, each of these frameworks has a “mandate,” but they differ significantly in what beneficiaries get, what choices they have, and how much rising costs are the responsibility of the government to affect versus being shifted to the individual.
Just having a “mandate” doesn’t make these plans the same. As you go down the list, the most meaningful choice of a “public” option disappears, and costs become increasingly decontrolled and shifted to individuals. Even worse, as you go down the list, market power — the ability to affect prices — gets transferred from the public as a whole to insurers and providers, so that individuals are left effectively powerless.
By the time you get to Paul Ryan’s Framework #5, you have the worst of all worlds: restricted choice, highest costs, the most cost shifting, and the greatest vulnerability to market power being exercised by the highly concentrated insurance and health industries.
And because Ryan eliminates the government’s ability to lower administrative costs and use its buying power to lower prices, his plan is guaranteed to have the most expensive outcome. As Dean Baker often reminds us, the CBO estimated that the higher cost for Medicare-equivalent insurance would be more than $30 Trillion over coming decades under Ryan’s plan. In other words, if Medicare’s rising costs (from rising provider costs) are a serious threat to US debt and the main reason for deficit hysteria, then Ryan’s plan is trillions of dollars worse for the rest of the economy.
So, sure, all these plans include some form of “mandate,” and in a true universal system, some form of mandate is needed to increase the risk pool, as Volsky says. But not all mandates are the same. Paul Ryan’s mandate plan is by far the dumbest, most “careless,” and most expensive way to include a mandate anyone has proposed. His mandate strips individuals of economic power and forces them to transfer tens of trillions in their wealth to insurers and health corporations.
[edited to correct spelling for Igor Volsky]



25 Comments

Mandates! Death panels! For real this time.
No wonder the GOP House is running away from this as fast as they can.
I wish some of those “Main Stream Media” folks would descrie things this clearly, Scarecrow.
Or perhaps some Congresscritter.
It is not possible to describe an issue clearly if you only write down and repeat what each side said. But for some reason, large chunks of our media don’t get that.
“Rep. Paul Ryan blames town hall backlash on ThinkProgress” (RawStory.Com, May 5, 2011)
Maybe Paul Ryan should stop and think about how folks are angered by politicians lying to them and spouting bullsh#t.
The ‘individual responsibility’ talking point is a key indicator of where the burden of any plan will gouge itself in. If the individual needing health care is the responsible party, that absolves the government – along with that individual’s tax payouts, and the insurance companies, and rests all the expense/responsibility on him/her.
Well said -
now to get the media to at least whisper the truth – at some point.
Those darn Republican and their love of vouchers!
The part they always leave out is: What is the gap between what the voucher covers and what the individual has to pay?
Their voucher love is not limited to health care. If Republican billionaire families like the DeVos (Amway fortune) and Koch brothers get their way, there will be no more public funded education. In fact that is their stated goal: to remove government from public education (in other words, obliterate public education entirely). Instead, parents will be given school vouchers which than can use to select the private school of their choice for their children.
Again, the part they leave out is who makes up the difference between what the voucher pays and the actual cost of the private school tuition. For example, the Sidwell Friends Schools where the Obamas send their daughters and Joe Biden’s grandchildren attend, the tuition is $28,000 per child per year.
But don’t worry, for those parents who can’t afford to make up the difference between what the voucher pays and the tuition charged, there is a solution. Governor LePage from Maine is busy at work on it: Remove child labor laws and put children as young as 11 years of age to work.
Republicans lie. It’s what they do.
If OilyBumbler had just advocated for extending Medicare to the rest of the population there’d be no fed deficit. We’d save that much money. Then, we tax the rich and cut defense–boom! a surplus for a massive green energy jobs program. But Barry’s too interested in kissing corporate ass.
Excellent summary, Scarecrow.
Very cogent. I’m of the opinion that saying he “misrepresents” is being too generous. He’s lying through his teeth, and he knows it.
Why am I not surprised when a Repuk Lies?????
Let’s start calling the vouchers health care stamps.
Paul Ryan will start hating his own proposal.
I vote ‘liar’.
I quote now from the inimitable Buffy Summers: “I didn’t jump to conclusions. I took a tiny step, and there conclusions were.”
I like your idea: health care stamps…I wonder if we can improve on that a bit…ration cards isn’t quite accurate either…how about Purchase Permits? Maybe we could work in the word, Allowance…dunno, but you’ve got something going here…
Medicare is very popular. Medicare is a government program. Medicare shows people that the government can (at least in some cases) deliver useful services. Specifically, it does a better job of providing health insurance than the private sector, at a lower cost.
The wealthy hate that, because that is economic activity which is not making somebody rich.
So how to kill Medicare? It’s too politically damaging to just wipe it out. You need to take it in stages. The first stage is to render it ineffective by converting it to a voucher program. The next stage is to reduce the amount of the vouchers. Finally, the ragged tail end of the inadequate program can be killed without much fanfare, as it no longer is very useful. Health care costs rise even faster, health care quality drops even more. A handful of people make out like bandits.
I vote for a dumb serial liar. You can be both.
I suggest that he and all his GOP in Congress & the Senate become a trial run using his plan for a few year to see how much the savings are. To be very fair let them include their relatives and close friend to make the pool larger.
You always need a trial run in any experiment for it to be scientific. Let’s hear what happens!!!!!
I disagree with some of this, and have a rather radical take on how it could turn out in the longer term.
First of all it remains to be seen what SCOTUS will do with mandates at the Federal leval. So far boosters maintain a lot of predictive wishful thinking; however, we won’t know for awhile, SCOTUS can’t be wished away, and it will almost certainly be decisive before the next election.
That said, suppose those mandates are thrown out. It’s not necessarily the end of healthcare reform. Perhaps a new, better door opens. The funding mechanism would have to be radically reworked, however, to navigate around the public’s affirmed right (at the individual level) to choose not to purchase an insurance policy meeting HHS directed criteria — or, for that matter, any policy at all.
The solution becomes single payer, plus. There is no mandate to purchase anything. Everyone is automatically covered. It’s paid for by way of whatever broad based tax the Feds dare.
At most the insurance companies become mere clerical contractors for the Feds, and not decision makers, if they survive at all.
Ultimately a single payer system will evolve into single source as well, where the providers will answer to the Federal gov’t and perhaps even be trained and employed by such. The notion of a Federal medical force isn’t outrageous when one considers the success of other US endeavors: our military, the FAA, etc., a long list there. None is perfect, but I’d maintain they are stronger and more efficient here than anywhere else.
On a side issue, the defect in Paul Ryan’s vouchers for medicare isn’t necessarily evil or stupid. The expectation there is that a voucher empowered patient would use that money electively and drive markets toward what they need most. So, for example, a prospective lasik surgery patient might elect to simply use glasses instead, and spend the voucher on something more important depending on individual circumstances. The defect would be in an assumption that patients are really able to make such decisions on their own, especially with vouchers likely to lose dollar value over time.
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Sorry for a couple of spelling/grammar errors. I type too fast.
Nice, but you should have mentioned, as Digby did in the article you linked to, what the real target is: Medicaid.
Medicare ain’t going anywhere because it benefits the middle class. Medicaid on the other hand…
The poor are going to get another bi-partisan beat down.
Yep. And the middle class isn’t going to rise in protest.
It’s not clear whether Ryan simply doesn’t understand his own proposal or is just a serial liar.
Uh he is a congressman he has staff they can research stuff, he has access to the CBO he is lying he is the GOP’s point man on their budget proposal has no excuse.
We have to stop being Nice if we want to win we have to stop pulling our punches.
It’s simply asking able individuals to take personal responsibility for their health care expenses
The dilbert books have a term confuseoploy trying to figure out which healthcare plan is best for you is a joke. The insurance companies have a vested interest in not paying you so they have a vested interest in not giving you a plan that they ever expect to pay out on.
Ask Ryan why Americans pay more for drugs than the rest of the world if we fixed that would we need Ryan’s Plan?
Ask Ryan if Americans had National Healthcare like France would that not be cheaper than his plan?
Ask Ryan if Private Healthcare is so great then why do Hispanic immigrants without insurance live longer than Whites who do have Private Health Insurance?