Honest economists and sentient observers looking at the most recent and increasingly dismal economic and jobs numbers have their hair on fire over the failure of Washington D.C. to do anything about it. But neither Congress nor the Administration can get their heads out of the deficit sand to see the devastation.
The current conventional wisdom claims the central cause of anemic growth and joblessness after a financial collapse is deficits. That’s clearly wrong, but somehow this is too complicated for most of the media to grasp.
So it’s left to progressive advocates and journalists like Jane Hamsher and HuffPo’s Ryan Grim appearing on Cenk’s show, to push back on the conventional wisdom. It’s left to them to explain why the debt reduction talks in Joe Biden’s dining room are fundamentally misguided and indeed harmful to the country.
With most of the Beltway media preoccupied with what’s on Biden’s deficit reduction table, Jane correctly refocused the conversation on the absence of economic and jobs programs and the folly of slashing government spending and laying off workers. Good for her.
That opening allowed Ryan Grim to press Cenk’s GOP consultant, John Feehery, to explain exactly how cutting federal spending could create jobs during a recession. Grim challenged the Tea-GOP’s illogical talking point that businesses, who are sitting on over $1.5 trillion, are not hiring mainly because they lack confidence in government’s ability to control deficits.
Since interest rates are at historically low levels, investing now would make perfect sense, but where’s the demand? The obvious answer is seen not only in the unemployment numbers — people worried about losing their jobs are not about to increase their spending — but in another $1 trillion loss so far this year in homeowner’s housing wealth, as the burst housing market continues to slide back towards the pre-bubble trend level. Analysts say we may see another $1 trillion loss the rest of this year.
Equally important, surveys show that businesses understand perfectly well that they shouldn’t expand faster than consumers’ ability to buy their stuff. But somehow, this simple logic is lost on the folks at Biden’s table and reporters just let the unsupported talking point slide.
Tonight’s PBS News Hour had an exchange between CAP’s Heather Boushey, a liberal economist (Keynesian), who explained the real world, and Stephen Moore, from the Wall Street Journal and Club for Growth who couldn’t. [More on Stephen Moore here and here.] The latter at least conceded that businesses had money to invest and did not disagree with the economist’s explanation that the housing bust destroyed buying power. But when she explained that meant we should not be cutting government spending now when private spending has collapsed, Mr. Club for Growth switched brain sides and fell back to the talking point about businesses lacking confidence because of deficits and government regulation. It’s a wonder his head didn’t explode.
Jane is exactly right that the Club for Growth talking point is the conventional wisdom. Here’s President Obama’s Press Secretary today echoing the same Club for Growth gibberish:
We look forward to those negotiations producing — continuing to make progress and producing a bipartisan agreement that recognizes that there is common ground that can be found here to reach a goal that we all share, which is we need to reduce our deficit, not as an esoteric goal but in order to prove that we can live within our means and, by that, show — create confidence in our economy and grow the economy and create jobs.
This debate, these negotiations, again, are not just about numbers, they’re not about reducing deficits or debts as a goal unto themselves. They’re about economic growth and job creation. And the President thinks they’re very important; he’s committed to them. That’s why he has shown in his budget proposals, shown in the Affordable Care Act, that he is committed to deficit reduction, and shown by appointing the Vice President to lead these talks that his commitment remains very strong.
This is total gibberish, but it’s coming not from the most conservative economic groups in America but from the Obama team whose main argument for reelection is that they’re saner and will protect us from the crazies. Uh, those are the crazies’ arguments, Jay.
It’s painfully obvious that the America people, and particularly the middle class and working families, never mind the unemployed or struggling states and localities, have no one in the Biden talks to represent them.
Instead, those discussions include only faux deficit hysterics who won’t raise taxes on the rich and who come armed with gibberish economic views that, as we’re seeing in the UK, Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Greece, are only making matters worse with no end in sight.
The media needs to shine a light on these unrepresentative, closed door meetings and expose the Biden-led discussions for the undemocratic failure they are. The conventional wisdom about slashing core program spending is not just unpopular, its premise is economically wrong. Embracing that nonsense is hurting the country, and the public needs to see for itself how catastrophically wrong its elected officials have become.



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Scarecrow, Obama has clarified his position with these statements:
“Obama also told the assembled Democrats not to count on more fiery rhetoric from the Oval Office.
“He said, ‘There’s a difference between me and a member of Congress,’” another lawmaker said, paraphrasing the president as saying: “When I say something the markets react, all of society reacts, other countries react. I’ve got to be careful with what I say. I can’t just say it for brinkmanship. I’ve got to say it in a way so that I get what I want said, but I don’t upset markets and so on.”
“He said it like this,” the Democrat elaborated: “‘When Eric Cantor says something, Eric Cantor says something. When I say something, markets and countries and people react in a way where it could cause us more problems than we have now.’”
From here:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/02/barack-obama-democrats-henry-waxman_n_870619.html
See, it’s not people Obama is concerned with but ‘markets’; love to see him asked what the price of a can of coffee is or a loaf of bread or a half-gallon of milk.
“When I say something the markets react, all of society reacts, other countries react. I’ve got to be careful with what I say.”
The guy is fucking delusional. His word is now discounted everywhere. Nobody really expects him to say anything that might lead him to do something.
Jane got on tv to talk about jobs? But how the Main Stream media never talks about jobs, never lets anyone talk about jobs only lost jobs.
Whose arm did she break to get on tv?
the democrats and their supporters have spent 2+ years on message pointing out how the republicans were complete hypocrites about cutting the fed govt deficit — with the implication being that the democrats were the serious non-hypocritical ones.
that, plus a decade of telling people that the clinton era fed govt surpluses were a good thing ruined by republican tax cuts…..
well, that is the corner the democrats and their supporters have painted us into. thinking the only thing that mattered was beating republicans.
my only question is do they actually know what they are selling about fed govt deficit spending is nonsense? because the republican party leadership obviously knows the score (unfortunately they use their knowledge to further their own agenda), but i’m not so sure about the dems.
sometimes i really think we are too stupid to breath. (see, for example, our idiotic reaction to a small, temporary payroll tax cut)
This is a truly pathetic administration when they are parroting the talking points of Club for Growth. Huge mistake electing President Putty.
The lady is persuasive without breaking arms. Occam’s razor.
The Club for Growth should realize that 8 years of Bush tax cuts did not create jobs when the economy was better 2 years of Obama and a bad economy and tax cuts have not produced jobs.
Tax Cuts have not worked in the real world rather they have created housing and stock market bubbles.
Helicopter Ben’s Neo Hoover plan to stop another Great depression has not worked in the real world.
FDR’s plan tax the Rich 90% did work in the real world.
Now then just how long will it take Obama to figure out what every public highschool history student knows?
How about when the clown says that the federal government is just like a family? And that we must cut spending — in a recession? Oh, I guess the that’s okay because the confidence fairy will appear.
It may be the convention, but it is opposite of wisdom. It is fatal foolhardiness. An anti-American level of willful stupidity.
And Obama should know by now that the markets will react to tainted lettuce, any flare-up in the Middle-East, or the witless statements of a junior representative from Minnesota. His words carry less weight with the markets than Ghaddafi’s. He is hiding the fact that he is their pawn, their servant-and if that characterization recalls an unpleasant racial memory, his behavior should stop begging the comparison.
As the opening chron below Jane shows, the original questions was whether the Tea-GOP are deliberatly trying to tank the economy. I think the answer is yet for the more cynical like McConnell. But as you suggest, the more interesting question is, what do the Democrats think they’re doing. Surely some of them must have figured out that letting the White House set the rhetoric for what needs to be done is contrary to what their own think tanks/experts are telling them is (1) in their interest and (2) good for the country. You really have to wonder at these people.
FDR ran up a huge debt to create jobs and raised taxes guess what it worked!
Why is Obama and the GOP putting all their hopes on the deranged ramblings of the Chicago School of Economics?
I think Milt and friends went over to the projects near the University of Chicago and scored before they came up with their theory.
Good on Jane for speaking out on behalf of many folks who have no resources, no voice, no hope and no energy any more.
These R folks could stand a good dose of reality…say a day or two in our shoes…but then again, that is kind of mean, because I do not believe they would last ten minutes on any ‘real’ street in America.
As for Romney, he needs to go take remedial 6th grade history, and learn that capitalism was a European idea.
Is every single one of them too damn stupid to understand that a working America would reduce the deficit?
I have no clue what they are thinking of doing when the tax revenues go to zero. If America does not have income, they don’t pay taxes. That means all those career politicians are outta work permanently.
*heh* An amusing Aside… My Better Half merely rolled her eyes at my fist pump, when Jane’s face appeared on the screen…! *g*
The politicos on Team Obama have discounted getting the all of the same voters from 2008 to vote again for Team Obama in 2012.
While Team Obama expects a large chunk of the Democratic base to turn out, they also inevitably see a bunch of liberals and progressives sitting on their hands for 2012, a reduced youth vote, etc.
They expect a far closer election because of this and regardless of which of the batshit crazy Repug candidates becomes their nominee. Because of that, the Team Obama plan insists that to win they must work the margins.
Since they expect a far tighter race, the plan from the politicos on Team Obama is to sell themselves to the independents rather than to liberals/progressives.
Stuff that independents believe in, regardless of whether it is true or not, helpful or not, rational or not, is where Team Obama is putting their focus.
Independents (generally) buy the swill that the Repugs are pushing. Stuff like deficits being top priority. Independents don’t much care for unions so that is one reason Team Obama chose not to join the revolt in Wisconsin. And so on.
Team Obama believes that if they can just portray their candidate to independents as the better choice than the hairball coughed up from the Repug primaries, Team Obama can squeek across the finish line first.
Ok was this a fluke will the MSM continue ignoring the fact that Jobs good paying jobs is the biggest issue for voters in this coming election.
Or is the Press going to start talking about a topic we the Left own?
Tea Bagger ideas that more tax cuts for the rich will create jobs do not seem to be impressing voters look at the Ryan budget’s polling for proof on that.
Define “worked.” Things worked out fine for Obama’s savvy buddies. The concentration of wealth is proceeding apace.
It’s time to realize that what works for Obama is a disaster for working Americans.
Yup, better yet: would absolutely love to see him asked if he knows how many people are eating out of the garbage, because they cannot afford that loaf of bread.
Amen. And the bipartisan “win” is paramount. Even if it’s a loss for the country.
Repeat after me.
The deficit is not the problem.
The lack of jobs and associated lack of demand for goods and services is the problem.
Small businesses are vanishing. Big corporations are hoarding cash and not hiring because there is no demand for their products and services.
That leaves only the public sector to create jobs and hire people to jump-start the economy.
The only thing that will increase investor confidence in the economy is a substantial increase in demand and there is no possible way that austerity measures will accomplish that objective. Instead, they will cause more lost jobs and hardship, less confidence in the government and the economy, and a revolution that may turn violent.
What’s it gonna be, Obama?
There are NO adults inside the Beltway.
Jealous was she? We Pups know just how much you like her… ☺
But I bet she would get irked if ya did that to Rachel’s image…///
Welcome back.
Our elected representatives R&D do not care about American Jobs. They care about the Global Marketplace. The New World Order. Their campaign donors have moved on – away from America. Except for looting the carcass.
Carcass = Entitlements
If I were Obama, which I’m not and never will be, I’d show the biz heads that they would not ruin me while sitting on the cash after I caved into their tax breaks, stimulus money, and all sorts of regulation changes to help them out. I’d pull out the largest ever Publicly funded jobs program evah! I’d bring all of America’s infrastructure to the 21st century and beyond. I’d green up every corner of America and tell China to suck wind!
We all know that is not going to happen because Obama can’t stand tall and firm on anything except making sure the banksters don’t get their shorts in a knot.
Much better to spend time partying with relatives, methinks. *g*
Fuck the deficit. We need jobs, jobs, jobs. Go for another stimulus and if you don’t get it, let everyone know the thugs are destroying the country.
A turkey has more brains than Obama.
Yes that is what he should do. The thugs could not stand the heat if he brought it to them like that: we want another stimulus to save America.
the republicans talk a mean austerity game, but their actions haven’t lived up to their rhetoric because they include tax cuts with spending cuts (not that i’m a fan of the tax cuts they design).
whereas the dems seem to be calling for BOTH spending cuts AND tax increases.
if that is true: R= spending cuts and tax cuts, D = spending cuts and tax increases…. then i conclude the Ds are either deliberately trying to tank the economy OR they are seriously dumber than the Rs.
we know, because we have the evidence from a first person account, that high level Rs know the deficit score. i don’t know of ANY evidence that Ds are that smart.
Team Obama has got to stop thinking like that and think that without jobs and 9% unemployment, they will lose, no matter what else. They have got to stick the thugs with the tag “they don’t care about you and jobs.” Go for more stimulus and start a fucking fight.
Tell me ya didn’t pump your fist…? ;-) *fistbump*
The answer to the question, “Is the GOP trashing the economy on purpose?” is, “Of course.” They have no other issue to talk about, especially national security now that Barack Obama has successfully gotten Osama bin Laden out of the picture as well as capturing and killing dozens of other al Qaeda.
Why shouldn’t the GOP be trashing the economy? It’s clear that with zero percent interest rate that the fat cats can borrow money + financial institutions paying out slightly more than 1% on savings accounts, the once comfortable middle class are losing money to inflation almost every day.
Where’s the incentive to save if you can barely keep your head above water for everyday expenses? But, take a look at retail credit cards. Best Buy charges almost 28% on their plastic card and most department stores like JC Penney and Macy’s charge 22% to 24% on purchases.
Voters got rolled big time when too many of them sat out the 2010 election and allowed the phony Tea Partyers, all of whom ran with a great big R after their names, easily win elections on a wave of collective anger. Republicans sensed easy victories in an off-year election in which the economy and jobs probably won’t recover for another 10 years. Maybe longer.
Voters are in a perpetual state of anger and for that reason many may well sit out the 2012 election. Unfortunately, Republicans would like nothing better than that. They may even be able to increase their numbers in both the House and Senate and maybe even put the cerebrally-challenged, narcissistic Sarah Palin in the White House. Oh boy, oh boy!
Agreed.
i agree. but my point is that what independents believe in is not an independent variable. if what independents believe is what the democrats have been telling them (and us) for the past decade, then the democrats are, at least in part, to blame for what independents believe in.
As Hackworth1 suggests above, there is no longer any inevitable connection between wealth generation and jobs — or infrastructure maintenance, or expansion of education, or preservation of the social safety net. THEY don’t need us to have jobs anymore. Our consumption and the public investment it made possible is no longer key to THEIR wealth accumulation. And Barry is one of THEM.
the deficit IS a problem! it’s a problem because it’s TOO SMALL (and too stupidly spent).
We have got to mount a challenge to the deficit reduction meme at all costs. This is a ready made issue the dems could exploit. WTF are they waiting for.
People would support the Ryan budget’s cuts in Medicare if they thought for sure that more tax cuts for the rich would create so many good paying jobs that cuts in medicare would not be a worry for them.
The polls say nobody wants to cut medicare they don’t say the next obvious step in thought which is nobody thinks tax cuts for the rich create jobs.
They have no problem funding weapons and wars. Their priorities are criminal.
claps for Selise
Everything that now goes on in D.C. is criminal.
AGREED Nuremberg trials…aggressive offensive wars
Godot.
hey ,dija have a nice holiday….im longing to go back to UN paranoid France
That’s good. He should say more not less and make sure the thugs are in ear shot.
Yes, thanks. Lot’s of hanging out, eating, drinking. One sightseeing trip to Bannerman’s Castle. http://www.opacity.us/site54_bannermans_arsenal.htm
It’s an open cesspool of bribery masquerading as a “representative” democracy. It’s all farce and anyone paying attention knows it. Sadly there are no countervailing options and the tragedy will just have to play out.
i wrote of this during the Cheney Booosh Regime
i guess it is quaint
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
my parents drove a Lexus,they were both in their 80s when a large brick was thrown through their window,and my mothers handbag was obtained,in broad daylight
SMASH and GRAB is what the world is going through
You said it.
Let’s be clear, M’dear… Everything…! *g*
You want to know what they have in store for the U.S.? Watch the movie “Escape from New York”.
sounds absolutely delightful…happiness and joy is the best revenge!
Team Obama is living in a different world then the rest of us…even the budget was balanced tomorrow no new jobs would created because these debt talks are all about the bond markets. Who really knows why Obama is in love with Wall st..he was the one cheered on the stock market a few years ago saying it was a good time to jump back in the market..Money talks but I think there is something deeper and recall when Obama had his talk with repubs and he said he agreed with most of them on policy points..at the time I thought he was just toying with them but I realize he was not kidding.
We do need to keep pushing the networks to have Jane and other progressives on their shows to get the message out…I missed Cent’s show ugh!
i have said recently…obtaining public office is a get rich quick OPM scam
he is a queer duck ,cant read,him or his silly wife either
all marshmallow fluff imo
Agreed. I repeated them. Yes, we need to stimulate the economy or we will end up like greece.
you know, it is almost saying, “I don’t care about you. I’m not going to get in the middle of this. Go eat cake.”
The Administration is simply emulating “Chainsaw Al” at the behest of 1%ers who will benefit from it like the Kochs.
The world of turkeys would like an apology.
“Obama also told the assembled Democrats not to count on more fiery rhetoric from the Oval Office.”
When was there ever any fiery rhetoric from this White House? If there was, please let me in because it’s the biggest kept secret for the last 3 years.
“Obama also told the assembled Democrats not to count on more fiery rhetoric from the Oval Office.
When was there ever any fiery rhetoric from this White House? Please let me know, because it’s the biggest kept secret since Obama was sworn in as President.
He pretends he is Reagan.
re “It’s time to realize that what works for Obama is a disaster for working Americans”
I agree 100% and I hope that more people wake up to this truth as well. I am especially tire of being held captive with the propaganda that “Oh things could be so much worse.” The fact is that this may not even be true. More and more of what I see of the Obama/Clinton administration is that they give the people a dollar and then take two back.
At best and in the most generous of spirit possible we can say that “at least the Obama/Clinton administration leave us with a few crumbs.”
But that’s a little like saying that we are victims of a Stockholm syndrome of the soul by which we identify with the ideologies of our captors and align ourselves against our own interests, isn’t it? It is to me if you consider that minimum wage in the USA is not a living wage in any major USA city. If you earn minimum wage and have a 40 hour a week job and live in any major city in the USA, your total months salary is not even enough to cover your rent for a one-bedroom apartment in a somewhat safe area.
So, if the crumbs that we are now getting are not enough to sustain our barest necessities for existence, what’s the difference between the Obama/Clinton administration who offer the crumbs and the bastards who want to take the entire cake?
Of course, let’s not forget the irony in this: We, the majority, paid for this cake largely with uncompensated labor for the past 30 years.
He is a megalomaniac. I guess most “leaders” are, but he is the extreme. I don’t believe he ever worked a day in his life. And, contrary to the myth that is team has created, he is not brilliant nor a pragmatist. He is an opportunist.
…President Silly Putty…
check,seems a good appraisal…im going to sleep nite,nite
Reference to Dylan’s “Idiot Wind”?
“Since they expect a far tighter race, the plan from the politicos on Team Obama is to sell themselves to the independents rather than to liberals/progressives.”; hold on folks. Lets clarify some words here. When the media is referencing “independents”,who are they referencing?
I perceive that they are referencing VOTERS who are not registered with either party.
And just like lumping liberals and progressives together is an effort to describe some sort of homogeneous group that hasn’t any reality, lumping all “independent voters’ into some sort of homogeneous group is also erroneous.
I’m an ‘independent voter’ and Obama couldn’t sell me anything. And there are others just like me in their political perspectives.
So statements like “Independents (generally) buy the swill that the Repugs are pushing.” and “Independents don’t much care for unions so that is one reason Team Obama chose not to join the revolt in Wisconsin.” are without basis and counter-productive to bringing change about.
Jane, great work.
The jobs situation sucks, but I won’t be unhappy at all to see Obama leave in shame after one term. In fact, a series of one-term presidents for 12-20 years might be good in that it might shake up the Dem-GOP Establishment Party that has taken root during the two decades of Clinton and Bush and now the undeniably worthless Obama.
Jane Hamsher is a woman with a destiny with history! She just keeps getting better and better at controlling the camera while nailing the dialog.
There’s a long line of strong women before her who would be proud.
I bow down
Smart, tough as nails, but gosh why does Jane have to be so darn gorgeous also?
bluedot12,
i wish.
but the reality is that the dems have been PUSHING the deficit reduction meme for YEARS. and it’s not just party officials.
did you see the peterson foundation deficit summit on may 25th? clinton, CAP, EPI and the roosevelt institute…. all on message re the deficit meme.
who is challenging THEM? not us.
and worse, we’ve been doing much the same thing these last years. the problem isn’t primarily the club for growth. IT’S US!
Wrong. Children couldn’t be this dishonest.
Doubt President McCain would be better. Too bad we can’t do anything about the dearth of choices.
To the moderator: What does “Flag this comment as inappropriate” mean? What happens should someone do that?
it is refreshing to hear O’Sellout acknowledge that his real masters are on Wall Street, now I will vomit in my mouth a little.
“Stuff that independents believe in, regardless of whether it is true or not, helpful or not, rational or not, is where Team Obama is putting their focus.”
I agree with your analysis Maddog, that this is what O’Sellout and his team of advisors are thinking. What I think they’re totally missing about independents is that most indies are far more progressive than the conventional wisdom understands. Look at how popular Medicaire and SS are, remember that the Public Option was supported by almost 70% nationwide, that same number are in favor of tougher regulations of the big banks and corporations, most folks believe that jobs are more important than the deficit, and a majority of folks are tired of the endless mid-east wars. Oh, and there is a clear majority in favor of marriage equality for gays.
Because this simple truth is ignored by the corporate media and our government we have a Democratic administration that mirrors Repub talking points and election strategies. I have a feeling that O’Sellout will be surprised about how things go for him in Nov 2012.
If I’m right and he loses, that just means he takes the Wall Street job with the corner office and the big paycheck that much sooner.
You assume that Obama and the deficit hawks are doing something wrong which will lead to catastrophe, but catastrophe for whom, when? You assume unemployment figures will doom a second Obama term, but he and his advisors are obviously making a different bet, which is they can make up with money what they lack in credibility. Obama’s second campaign will be a strategic duplicate of the first: bait and switch. Don’t expect high unemployment to come down any time soon. Not only does unemployment serve to keep wages depressed and workers (who have jobs) quiet, it represents a continuation of long term restructuring of the national (and local) economy in line with the global imperatives of capital. That’s why they don’t pursue Keynesian strategies: from their point of view why support a bloated and elderly population whose over-consumption is no longer wanted or needed? Rather than debating whether or not the Biden Bunch should cut benefits or raise taxes or even a symbolic jobs program (never!), better to debate strategies of defense and resistance.
Why do you think, or hope, the corporate controlled media will “shine a light” on all this oligarchic asshattery. They are owned by those who’s main interest is 1) protecting their ill-gotten hoard, and 2) sending us back to Hobbesean times so they will be the kings of the little shitpiles left. Regardless of how bad things are, it is always good to be king (until you loose your head, which is not a given).
The only think that will “shine a light” on this crap, besides sites like this, as long as the “free” internet lasts, is the light from the torches the mobs will be holding along with other implements to end the reign of terror from the Oligarchs and their henchmen. Its a shame, but there you go.