It you want to see how badly led and captive the Democratic leadership has become over mindless deficit hysteria, just watch Jim Clyburn dodge Chris Hayes’ questions on MSNBC’s Last Word. In response to Hayes’ initial [wrong] question — how are you guys going to close this deal given GOP opposition to tax increases? — Clyburn explains how proud he is to be part of the Joe Biden group that has agreed to slash federal spending by, we’re told, trillions of dollars.
Hayes then recovers and asks whether Clyburn believes slashing federal spending will help the economy and lower unemployment. That’s one of the most important economic and political question facing the country, but Clyburn doesn’t answer it. Instead he deflects it by telling us he supports a financial transaction tax to fund infrastructure investments.
So? Answer the question, Mr. Clyburn.
I assume Mr. Clyburn is sincere in his support for a financial transaction tax to help fund an infrastructure investment bank, but Clyburn seems unable to connect the economic effects of what the “Joe Biden group” has agreed to and his support for a jobs program. Instead, he’s more interested in claiming we can raise some revenues without raising anyone’s tax rates.
That’s great Jim. With wealthy people hoovering up almost all of the economic growth of the last two decades, with Bush Tax Cuts extended another two years, and with wealthy Americans paying some of the lowest effective tax rates in decades, a Democratic leader is trying to assure us he doesn’t want to raise tax rates on the richest Americans. And we’re supposed to support this Party?
From what little the’ve condescended to tell us, tradeoffs worth fighting for aren’t even on Joe Biden’s dining table. So Clyburn’s support for infrastructure spending is just a nice idea floating out there with no prospects, no meaningful White House support and no leverage in the actual discussions. But gosh, look at all the progress they’ve made in agreeing to 85 percent of what the Tea-GOP wanted but hasn’t even agreed to in exchange for . . . what?
At a minimum, Clyburn could have argued that spending cuts in some questionable, ineffective program areas would be acceptable if there were an agreement to provide even more funding for worthwhile programs to create jobs, rescue states and citiies and prevent continuing layoffs of teachers, police, firefighters and other public workers. He could have said Democrats are demanding that kind of tradeoff in the discussions. But apparently they aren’t.
Where are the peoples’ representative pounding on Joe’s table until Mrs. Adams’ china crashes to the floor, demanding to rescue the unemployed, the impoverished, the uninsured, the victims of disasters, layed off teachers, disenfranchised public workers, funding for financial/environmental/food safety regulation and on and on. Why aren’t these real interests represented at Joe Biden’s table as the non-negotiable positions of the peoples’ representatives?
But these positions can’t be talked about, because the Democrats have forgotten who put them in office. It’s time to return the favor.



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Who’s worse: Clyburn dodging the question or the interviewer who lets him get away with it?
I would very much like to see some of these democrats have to sit down and answer questions from Jane or DDay. Under oath. In an open forum. Without their lawyers.
Boxturtle (And no claiming national security)
Democrats and the administration have made clear that jobs are not a priority given the passage of obamacare and the rushed passage of financial regulation which will directly retard job creation.
If millions of people weren’t depending on these spineless, craven assholes this spectacle would actually be quite funny.
As it is, it’s just pathetic and these people can’t be re-endorsed in 2012 after doing such a shitty job, and it doesn’t matter that the Republicans are a little worse.
You can’t reward people who fail so massively and spectacularly, and then expect them to ever change their behaviour. They won’t. That’s just basic human nature.
Clyburn is merely a symptom of what is wrong with the Democratic Party.
I already have.. I got a letter yesterday from “Barack Obama” (I.e., the DNC) asking for my support. I returned a scathing reply in their postage paid envelope!!
Some poor staffer will look at it just long enough to determine it isn’t a check, then pitch it.
If you want the DNC to actually see your comments, write it in the memo area on your check.
Boxturtle (When they want your opinion, they’ll tell you what it is)
If you don’t loathe the Democratic Party you’re not paying attention.
Quibble: I have nothing against the Democratic party, my issues are with the current democratic leadership.
Boxturtle (Yes, I know I’m using the word “leadership” rather loosely)
Lol that was funny. Standup comedian?
What I wanna know is where are we gonna find some folks to run against these neoliberals who aren’t neoliberals themselves?
How about we establish a working relationship with the folks from the World Social Forum.
I’ve already made the decision to sit out the next election, or maybe my fear at the other party being in charge may change my mind, but I have no faith in the Democrats at all. We ought to sue them for incompetency and malpractice as a functioning party. We should sue them for all campaign donations made by individuals over the past 20 years. I bet most people could use these funds to help pay the bills. I’d bet we’d win in a court of law. This party has become the toothless tiger, spouting off talking points, never fighting for a damned thing, and letting the right set the agenda for America, whether having the White House or not (hello, I’m talking to you Obama).
OT, but this was just too rich to pass up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/house-republcians-crash-obamas-twitter-event-on-jobs_n_891254.html#s303945&title=AndrewBreitbart
The WH staff is filtering the questions from Twitter, just as they would at a live town hall. Regressive exercise in futility.
You’ll be hard pressed to find any black person willing to speak out against Oboover’s machinations, much less a black politician. It’s just too much for them to swallow–an African-American president that has failed spectacularly at protecting the interests of the middle and lower class. I’m considered heretical in my community.
Why not write in Single Payer or something of that nature. At least you are voting.
Don’t overthink the kabuki, Scarecrow.
There is only one question. Will the GOP scuttle any agreement with Obama just because it is an agreement with the “socialist muslim Kenyan”? That question is totally in the hands of Republicans.
But these positions can’t be talked about, because the Democrats have forgotten who put them in office. It’s time to return the favor
I agree, Scarecrow, but if we wait to do it at the ballot box it will be too late for Social Security and the rest of the safety net. I would like to see a massive movement that lays down a marker right now. ANY cuts to Social Security mean that we desert the Dems entirely. Not one vote. Sit it out, write it in, vote third party………we have to put the fear of hellfire in these so called Democratic quislings and make absolutely clear the consequences well before they screw us once and for all. Nuclear option.
Pitchforks and Bonfire of the Voter Registration cards.
Clyburn is a big shot with The Third Way (check their website http://www.thirdway.org/co_chairs ) – the think tank supported by bankers and big shots with connections to Pete Peterson through its president, Jonathan Cowan, who “in 1992, Cowan co-founded, with Rob Nelson, the organization Lead…or Leave. The organization, with no paying members, was primarily funded by American businessman Pete Peterson,” according to Wikipedia and well-sourced.
It seems to me that the GOP has taken most Dem party proposals hostage, and the Dem leadership is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome – identifying with their hostage takers….
The financial tranaction tax is the public option redux all over again. It has zero chance of passing either the House or the Senate.
Why do you think Obama picked him. I was so embarrassed by this man comments, that I had to get up and walk away from my televsion set!
You couldn’t pay me to be black and live in South Carolina….And unfortuately, it is what broke Blacks from Hillary, had not Bill Clinton remarks sounded so racist (?)
James Clyboung is just sad!
And this is the only type of Blacks Obama will work with.
OBAMA HAVE A DISDAIN FOR POOR WOMEN AND BLACK PEOPLE
ADC14
When you say it would be hard to find some black person to speak out against Obama blah blah blah….I just have one thing to say “You haven’t been in the black communities….where the real black people are”
TRUST ME DESPITE ALL THE POLLS OUT THERE….BLACKS WON’T BE RUNNING TO THE POLLS IN 2012…MATTER OF FACT IT MAY BE A REPEAT OF 2010 IT WE CAN’T CONVINCE THEM JUST TO VOTE STATE AND LOCAL
BUT ON THE WHOLE….
OBAMA IS MORE DISLIKED IN THE BLACK/HISPANIC COMMUNITY THEN GWB EVER WAS….
IF HE DEPENDING SOLELY ON THE INDEPENDENT, BLACK AND YOUNG VOTE….HE WILL LOSE
BTW,
I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM BLACK AND I HEAR PEOPLE IN WALGREEN’S DOMINICKS, DOCTOR OFFICE IN THE STREETS EVERYDAY…SAYING THEY WON’T BE VOTING IN 2012….THAT SCARES ME BECAUSE I TELL THEM EVEN IF YOU DON’T LIKE OBAMA AT LEAST JUST VOTE STATE AND LOCAL….
OBAMA IS HATED IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY…NOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE MEDIA….THOSE BLACKS CAN GO SCREW THEMSELVES BECAUSE IT’S A WORLD APART FROM THEM AND US!!!!
I listen to Jessie Jackson’s call in radio show “Keep Hope Alive”. The callers and the black intellectuals he has as guests are almost universal in their criticisms of BHO. Cornel West has probably said it best, calling Obama “another mascot of Wall Street.” Your absolutely right about voting for state and local offices. Staying home is not the answer.
I don’t know how long you’ve been commenting on blogs but all caps is considered yelling and is rude.
nogop2010, thank you for your comments.
It would be so much easier on us, however, if you could stop “screaming” — i.e., using ALL CAPs.
That just makes it hard to read your very good points.
I wonder what Tavis Smiley thinks. I kinda think he’s a straight shooter.
I just got a call from the DCCC. Wow, what a load of crap they’re attempting to sell.
I really gave it to the caller & told her that this household of FOUR individuals who voted for Obama in 2008 would not in any way vote for, work for, or contribute to Obama in 2012.
It was, interesting, however, to listen to her laundry list of phony “accomplishments” and “we’re just getting started . . . ” The piece de resistance, however, was her saying that her son just got back from Afghanistan and had “educated” her on the many reasons we couldn’t “just leave” and had to follow Obama’s “plan.”
Sheesh!
From “Upside Down” by Eduardo Galeano – “If voting changed anything, it would be illegal.”
listening to Mr Clyburn I hear the same nonsense that was trodded out during the healthcare process..”we are almost there” The GOP will do their part” This is just BS…Obama. the Dems and GOP want to screw us by taking SS Medicare and Medicaid from us while bending over for the rich…I am 58 and really think I will never be able to retire…if you listen to these assholes I am going to live until I am 160 in perfect health….this govt no longer represents us and BOTH parties have to go…Oct 6th should be about both parties and the need to change the system..I have never been more down about the future
Dr. Cornel West may not be a black politician, but he shares your contempt for Obama.
I will not call these Cowardcrats ass-holes. That would give them to much credit. Let just call them ass chips . They can’t be called dam fools with a straight face. They just committed suicide on layaway, without any help from Doctor Kevorkian.
ADC14 please make note of this,the African Americans you see on TV mouthing praise of Obama does not mean ALL African Americans feel Obama is praise-worthy.
I got a call yesterday from a lady asking my support for Janice Hahn against far rightwinger Craig Huey in the CA-36 election to replace Jane Harman.
BIIIIG mistake for that poor lady. Boy, did I give her an earful. Told her that as life-long Dem, Huey is anathema to everything I believe in but that I’m voting for him and either GOPers or third party candidates forever, thanks to the rat-fucking we’ve been given by Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. I’m pretty sure she needed several minutes to compose herself before calling the next sucker on her list.
Jesus Christ! Chris Hayes on LOD show just interviewed Gene Sparling and what a complete Corporate SOB…of course Sparling wants to extend the payroll tax and he is suggesting that the economy will take a long time to recover but hang in there guys! Sparling threw out the BS about businesses need certainty and they will start bringing jobs back to the US!! What a joke! I like Chris but would you at least why anyone would take Sparling seriously since he a part of the tean Bubba,,you know the same team Bubba that signed onto NAFTA and GATT…this nonsense was followed up by Jonathan Alter who is clueless and looked clueless and suggested a way cut unemployment would be give vouchers (In lieu of cash) to the unemployed and they can take the vouchers to companies in exchange for work! Hey Jonathan you do know there are middle professional men out of work and you expect them to go to IBM with a voucher and IBM would hire them? How about a young African American who got laid off and you think a company is going to hire because of a vocher?
Gene and Jon…why not do away with unfair trade agreements..don’t worry about Corporate jets!! End the God Damn wars and maybe do you think you cut the war budget!? Or maybe write down the debts? Chris…could you ask Gene about those ideas? I can’t cannot take it anymore!
Quite true, although the voting record for that demographic indicates they thought he was pretty hotshit three years ago.
We’ll see what the numbers look like in 2012.
Yes, West is the exception and has been duly cast into the wilderness.