The Washington Post has a story tonight, citing Democratic sources familiar with Obama’s views, that the President will propose a massive $4 trillion spending cut over the next decade that includes significant cuts in Social Security and Medicare.
President Obama is pressing congressional leaders to consider a far-reaching debt-reduction plan that would force Democrats to accept major changes to Social Security and Medicare in exchange for Republican support for fresh tax revenue.
At a meeting with top House and Senate leaders set for Thursday morning, Obama plans to argue that a rare consensus has emerged about the size and scope of the nation’s budget problems and that policymakers should seize the moment to take dramatic action.
As part of his pitch, Obama is proposing significant reductions in Medicare spending and for the first time is offering to tackle the rising cost of Social Security, according to people in both parties with knowledge of the proposal. . . .
It seems our President wants a grandiose bargain in which he plays Ronald Reagan and John Boehner plays Tiip O’Neill. And our President has entered some seriously deluded region in which he and those around him think the country will thank him for seizing this great opportunity to do what the Washington Post editorializes as “a major legislative achievement.”
Yes, at a time when the economy desperately needs more federal spending to offset what’s happening in the private sector and the states, when states and local governments are reeling, unemployment is stuck at 9 percent and the country desperately needs federal infrastructure funding, our misguided President wants to slash spending by [$3 trillion and aggregate demand] by a phenomenal $4 trillion in the near future. And it’s all about ego . . .
“Obviously, there will be some Democrats who don’t believe we need to do entitlement reform. But there seems to be some hunger to do something of some significance,” said a Democratic official familiar with the administration’s thinking. “These moments come along at most once a decade. And it would be a real mistake if we let it pass us by.”
. . . and the conviction that doing exactly the wrong thing for the economy and destroying his Party’s brand and integrity will be rewarded at the polls:
The administration argues that lawmakers would also get an important victory to sell to voters in 2012. “The fiscal good has to outweigh the pain,” said a Democratic official familiar with the discussions.
Buckle up in your time machine, folks. We’re about to return to 1936-37, when the “fiscal good” argument put millions out of work. But don’t expect FDR to be reelected this time.
Update: The New York Times emphasizes the initiative came during John Boehner’s surprise White House visit on Sunday, in which he reportedly discussed the potential of $1 trillion in tax measures (which aren’t to be confused with raising taxes). That visit, first denied, has left some Democrats worried about Obama’s response. No kidding.
The president’s renewed efforts follow what knowledgeable officials said was an overture from Mr. Boehner, who met secretly with Mr. Obama last weekend, to consider as much as $1 trillion in unspecified new revenues as part of an overhaul of tax laws in exchange for an agreement that made substantial spending cuts, including in such social programs as Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security — programs that had been off the table.
The intensifying negotiations between the president and the speaker have Congressional Democrats growing anxious, worried they will be asked to accept a deal that is too heavily tilted toward Republican efforts and produces too little new revenue relative to the magnitude of the cuts.
Uh, earth to Dems: Even ignoring that you’re dumb enough to throw away Paul Ryan’s House gift, if you get branded as having betrayed your promises on Medicare and Social Security, no amount of tax shifting offered by John Boehner is going to save you: “Sure, we cut your Social Security and Medicare benefits, but we sure nailed those guys with corporate jets and hedge funds!” Say “good night,” Gracie.
Update II: via Huffpo, another anonymous White House source tells us these stories “overshoot the runway,” so everyone should calm down. Sorry, but it was their plane, their runway, their pilot and their air traffic controller. Once again, they’re saying Obama won’t “slash” benefits, but you can bleed someone to death with cuts that start small.
From the archives:
Jane Hamsher, Obama packs debt commission with Social Security privatizers and benefit cut supporters



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Schmuck !! Obama that is.
Seconded.
Headline of the future: Major Legislative Achievement Plunges US Economy into Double Dip Recession.
Honestly, 2 things need to happen now.
1. FDL needs to go on a membership marketing blitz because I already am seeing seething anger at this latest cave on HuffPo. I don’t think we’ll be stuck at 325 new members now.
2. FDL needs to start setting the narrative for the coming Depression that will result from all of this. Only a full indictment of Repug economics and the abject failure of Obama’s policies will save the Progressive Left from being tainted with this. Start calling this for what it is, an incredibly insane, wrongheaded move to cause another Great Depression. As you say so succinctly, it is 1937 all over again.
There’s something coming soon, but that’s a good topic for member/reader suggestions. Also, we’re not stuck on 325. That was just the most recent campaign, not the total — and we’ve been focused on switching over software.
Take from those who don’t have and those who have too much and call it a negotiation triumph of the century.
Does he really think we are going to vote for him in 2012.
He is the worst of the two evils.
This is definitely the time to own the persona of being so called “disagreeable.” This confirms for me that Obama is nothing more than a latter day Neville Chamberlain. Now is the time, when it is the hardest, to be the latter day Churchill. There can be no compromise with this, no diluting of message and philosophy to appeal to phantom constituencies. Not only a full throated defense of the New Deal and Keynesianism is required, but a more ambitious call for a 2nd New Deal, revocation of corporate personhood, and an Economic Bill of Rights is called for here. Take the fight to the enemy. Shout from the mountaintops even if we are alone right now. We won’t be for long.
Damnit! Why can’t Obama grow some stones. He’s a master of capitulating before the battle is even joined. Compromise – What a bunch of BS. That guy is nothing more than a flunky of the corporatists. I, a *gasp* liberal repug (but in name only – I live in a red county), voted for him. What a waste of a vote. At least if McCain had won there’d be no subterfuge. The enemy would be in plain sight. The only reason I’d vote for Obama in 2012 is my concern over Supreme Court justice nominees. But if the Rs get the Senate – who cares.
Face it folks were screwed – especially the youngsters out there. Me? I’m in my late 50s. I had a long run of good times and will probably be gone when the shit hits the fan. Maybe the survivalists had it right all along: guns, ammo, canned food, water, tents, etc. Sheesh
Hmmm, your post made me think of the movie: “Triumph of the Will”. Any parallels there? I wonder … Fortunately I have no brown shirts.
Not even his scotus nominees will be worthwhile. He may nominate someone good only to let that nominee sit while he diddles as he has done with several people in the recent past.
I can’t believe that there are people that still support him because he has been such a “good president fighting for the people.”
unfucking believable that a Democratic president would even think to touch medicare and SS.
Bush could not even do this. He is worse than bush and not a lesser evil at all. He is not weak either. He is a sellout, and backstabber!
“Does he really think we are going to vote for him in 2012.”
Maybe he doesn’t, and therefore has the lame duck freedom to ignore you (even more).
“He is the worst of the two evils.”
That was my thought during the election. I really wish I’d been wrong.
Saw this earlier at HuffPo SC . . . thanks for bringing it to MyFDL.
It’s insane, incredible, and purely corporate fascist fodder for the oligarchs.
We will be field hands soon when we can’t afford the mandatory insurance coverage imposed thru the loss of SS and medicaid/medicare that covered so many.
Dems are dead meat in ’12 . . . oh well, I wasn’t voting dem anyways.
I see no way to stop the machine at this point, we are headed for ’29 and a huge crash . . . hard times for the poor and elderly and retired.
LeSigh.
Rcc’d, thanks as this dovetails with David Dayen’s post on front page earlier today.
The story is told . . . CPI cutting to SS and medicare cuts across the board.
As Kelly Canfield and others suggest on Thers post tonite, the elderly in nursing homes covered now will suffer the most. Any relatives they have will be told to pony up . . . I wonder what they are gonna do with the one’s who have no relatives, or whose relatives can’t or won’t pay.
Sick.
A lot of old people, including us boomers in 10-20 years, who lost our savings and have none, are gonna die in rather stark conditions it seems.
Grow some stones? He’s got them, and he uses them on the working class and left who refuse to swallow his agenda hook line and sinker or line up for the bad medicine.
The problem is our failure to come to terms with the reality of who he actually is, not the person we thought he was. Hindsight and all that. The abuse of Progressive principles and ideals that he projected to us during the campaign began as early as when he was still President Elect.
I read this this Dec 8/2008 post yesterday by Glenn Greenwald, it all very clear to me now because it documents how early the alarm flares were being fired off about his appointments. Particularly poignant is his link to “the repellent decreeissued by Obama deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand” who admonished progressives to STFU already (!!!)
History sadly has proven that Progressives were exactly right to be concerned and that is nothing to be proud of. He’s not going to change. As scarecrow said above “it’s all about ego”.
This Republican mole has got to go.
Well, that clears my schedule for the summer and fall of 2012. Perhaps #1 Draft Choice Bust Obama can get Goldman Sachs to do phone-banking and GOTV. I sure as hell won’t.
Have some faith, we’re well armed, ill educated, and have violent myths about bootstraps and non representative governments. I doubt Gerald Laughner is going to be the only frustrated nut. Something will spark this growing tinderbox sooner or later.
Is anyone really surprised?
I can hardly wait for Jane to weigh in on this tomorrow.
And the day after.
And the day after that.
Is anyone still falling for that deluded obama schtick … you know the one where he’s a fine, well-intentioned fellow that wants to do well but just keeps … gee golly … getting taken to the cleaners by those dastardly republicans? If you are, you’re stupid and there really is nothing any more that needs to be added to that … IT’S ALL OUT THERE.
“rare consensus” – shock doctrine rhetoric – we have to do this now … right now … before the public can organize a big enough of a resistance to it that the cost-benefit ratio inverts.
Yeah, we know obama, the debt ceiling is falling on our heads and we have this wonderful opportunity to fill that hole that the banksters dug on their way to becoming filthily and unethically rich. Oh yeah, and we know that it’s going to benefit the democrats election chances too … I mean whose got a better word than you on that?
This is the pivot point … after this shit goes through, then obama is going to start becoming petulant about not being appreciated for all the wonderful things he’s done for us. Then some reports will come out that he privately wonders at times if dc is just too partisan for him … too far below his high moral character. And then it will be: well, maybe it would be best if he didn’t run again … maybe his destiny was just to be a sacrificial lamb … the adult of adults … to do what was best for this country and move on as an unappreciated hero into his private life. And then he’ll drop out of the election … leaving the dem party in a lurch (he’s already destroyed what little good of it was left) … and then get on with his post presidency tour (first stop: petey peterson’s).
Z
Cutting Social Security means death for some old people.
Capitalism killing its own, to keep its war/death machine in business.
Sick, sick, sick.
Drop all support to Democrats, and especially those who criticize, but keep activists chained to the Democratic Party. They are not doing the American people any favors, but sowing illusions that the Democratic Party can ever be the source of progressive policies. If some ever come along, like dumping DADT, it’s only because they believe it serves their war machine better.
Hey, come on. You’ve got to get US life expectancy down to at least Russian levels. Saves tons of money from social security, see?
And after all, the US is the one country in the “developed world” (bollocks it’s “developed”, but never mind) that has a currently stagnant and likely to start falling average life expectancy…
But remember. It’s the freest, fairest, richest, bestest country on the planet, anywhere, ever….
Incidentally, your last point is of course spot on. The illusion of “saving” the Democratic branch of the Uniparty from itself must be shattered for just about everyone now, no? Well, except Mike Hersh, but he’s fat and no one listens to him anyway ;-) (just kidding…)
Ooh. Is that a trace of irony I detect there from the playa?
“The administration argues that lawmakers would also get an important victory to sell to voters in 2012.”
Just like the health care reform “victory” that the Dems sold to voters so successfully in 2010.
Even though he is no liberal, Barack Obama has succeeded in discrediting liberalism…even as he seeks to continue tearing down what is left of the New Deal.
Obama must go. And Democrats must be the ones to take him down. The future of the Democratic Party and liberalism depends on it. Failure to remove this president from office is not an option. Disapproval must be such that he declines to even run. We must replace the head of the party with an actual Democrat. We must.
Hardly a surprise, but still shocking somehow. We’re in a hopeless death spiral.
I just can’t wait to here how he spins this one “we Americans have to share in the sacrifice” “It is really important that we not raise taxes on the wealthiest among us because they are the engines of our economy”. “I had to agree to certain concessions with the Republicans in order to avoid default”…he’s a joke.
“This Republican mole has got to go.”
Aside from the New Progressive Alliance (which maybe shouldn’t be counted, since it eschews the Democratic Party, entirely, for general elections at the Federal level), where is there any sort of organized effort to Dump Obama? A viable Dump Obama movement could also encourage the growth of a ‘Dump Obama’s Henchmen’ movement, so to speak. It’s goofy to focus undue attention on Obama, and ignore his Democratic collaborators (like that snake, Baucus).
In a country of 300 million or so, there is not even (so far, anyway), even a minimalist challenger to Obama in the Democratic primary (in the manner of the Full Court Press). Is this not a clear sign that progressives aren’t organized, at least in an aggressive way, in the US? Would not a primary of Obama be an excellent lightning rod for illuminating Obama as the lesser(?) evil ‘choice’ in 2012?
Maybe it’s time to reprint jeffroby’s Dump Obama pieces.
Use the right word – traitor. It’s the only thing that properly describes his actions- never mind his words. It needs to be repeated often and everywhere.
What makes Obama especially despicable is that he knows it is wrong, and yet he still does this shit.
In ’12, he and the dems can go fuck themselves–in fact they’ll have to because they will have already finished fucking us.
No cuts to the defense budget, no pain for Wasll st (write down of the debt) no pain for the uber rich and complete fucking over of the poee, working and middle class!!!! And this guy think we are going to thank him??!!
Oh yes Mr President I understand that we the average folk deserve to bear the brunt of the pain since we normal folk caused the economic mess…yes I know Wall st is lead by great and wonderful people who uber humans!! They are the best!! As you are oh Great One…please accept my thanks for destroying my old age!! While I know you have my best interest at heart and you far ahead of every one else!! Please every!! one support this idea!!: Obama President for life!!! Oh we should be sooo lucky!! What did you say?? Fuck you? Ingrates!
Here let me rewrite the headline for you:
He’s been trying to do this since the day he got into office. He just had to orchestrate his own “make me do it” moment, and it was clear when he didn’t make a debt ceiling deal part of the extension of the tax cuts that he was setting up this as his opportunity.
I had hoped that the horrific polling would force him to back off, but it seems we are here.
There’s never an editor around when you need one.
Seriously, this news should not come as a surprise to any of us. Obama has been gunning for these programs, now, as Jane Hamsher puts it, Boehner simply gives the preZ the excuse. In fact, convinced Obama is a republican plant. I like many of u on this thread is pissed. But I plan on taking my anger out at the ballot box. Obama can forget about getting my vote in 2012.
Heard NPR use the word ‘surrender’ this morning when reporting on O’s promise to Boehner to take tax rate hikes off the table. Social Security and Medicare, dig in.
I am willing to sign a pledge (ala Norquist) to not vote for Obama if he surrenders on cuts to Social Security and Medicare. (No contributions or re-election efforts are implied in the pledge.)
Anyone think it’s worth creating a movement?
How about a national “Obama Joins the Tea-Party” party? It would probably confuse Mark Halperin.
Obama and Boehner? What’s the difference?
Both are multimillionaires.
Both smoke.
Both play golf.
The only difference I can see is that Boehner cries when he is sticking it to the American people and Obama doesn’t.
In my mind I knew Obama was corrupt and he was going to try and pull the excuse of “they made me do it” but I really did not want to believe it..now that the evil plan is clear and I am trying to laugh at these people to keep from getting too down but it is not working. I hate to say this but I fear things are going to get a lot worse for a lot of people….I guess Pete Peterson or Robert Rubin has a job all lined up for Obama when he leaves office or a secret bank account None of the Dems will stand up for the American people and it is a very sad time for the country….lets keep fighting thanks
I sent this post out to my list who are currently occupied fighting a battle on another front. Also posted them the Eskow article on the consequences for all if they adopt the chained CPI tool for reducing benefits:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/how-much-would-a-white-ho_b_891655.html
Thank you FDL.
“These moments come along at most once a decade.”
WTF?!?! Once a decade??? That’s it??? That’s the best they can do??? A “once a decade” storm doesn’t even get a mention on the Weather Channel, much less the nightly news. I’ve had my car for longer than a decade. A fucking decade? That’s truly pitiful.
So what’s it gonna be in the next decade… Maybe they’ll get rid of the minimum wage, maybe they’ll mothball EPA, OSHA, and the DOJ, maybe they’ll shut down public education so we can give our kids the competitive advantage they need by giving them a leg up in joining the workforce as soon as they can crawl… think of the possibilities… And then, imagine what opportunities await the decade after that!
I know that Obama thinks small, miniscule really, but honest to God his lack of ambition is beyond pathetic. If you’re gonna fuck over the country at least go for broke, make it a “once a century” act of hubris rather than once a decade. Have some self-respect people!
Congressional Democrats should be deeply humiliated to have this dreadfully ill-equipped man as their “leader”. And frankly they are nearly out of time to abandon his abysmal leadership…
the goal is to destroy the left, to destroy FDR, to destroy all that the rich and corporate want to destroy, and to stop all political opposition as “evil violence”, ineffective “non-violence” or as “pointless”.
MLK/anti-VietNam war size marches would stop this non-violently.
But if no demonstrations – which I expect will be the case – and the Dems go along, we can not stop this screwing, and the only solution to stopping future screwings is to destroy the Democratic Party at the Presidential level so this kind of sell out never occurs again.
Scare, great job of linking Jane’s May 2010 post.
Even further back than his appointments was his Obama Inc. operation that raised hundreds of millions in campaign funds from banksters. That was a great big sign that his actions would not match his campaign rhetoric.
Obama proposing to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid shows just how desperate he’s become despite attempting to put on stoic face in public. Nothing good can come out of a private meeting between Boehner and Obama.
Obama proposing to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid shows just how desperate he’s become despite attempting to put on a stoic face in public. Nothing good can come out of a private meeting between Boehner and Obama.
Ah thanks Jane, now I get it… All that crap about “make him do it” was never intended for us, it was directed at Republicans all along.
What is really depressing is the only thing that will likely save us from this evil man are hard-line Tea-GOPers that will insist on zero tax increases. There is some real irony there that the left has to pin their hopes on the far right. More power to ‘em.
Even though he is no liberal, Barack Obama has succeeded in discrediting liberalism…even as he seeks to continue tearing down what is left of the New Deal.
This is the true tragedy of his presidency.
John Boehner’s surprise White House visit
Exactly to whom was this a surprise?
I remember seeing Halperin along w/John Heilman, Ed Randell and PAt Bucanon(sp) on the Hardball w/Chris M…right after the mid terms…both Hielman and Halperin were talking about the grand bargin with Obama making a deal with gOP cutting Medicare, Medicaid and SS…they both said Obama will leave the progressives behind and appeal to “the better angels” of the middle class to accept these cuts..Chris, PAt and Ed were in heaven at this thought!
The First Lady, obviously. Wasn’t expecting him until the weekend.
Working on it…..if they let my posts up there.
Obama can go to Hell.
And take Biden with him.
Or worse, Hindenburg
Recall that the Republicans didn’t object at all to raising the debt ceiling throughout the Bush years. This is because back then the debt ceiling needed to be raised in order to pay for our bogus war on Islamic terrorism and bail out the financial terrorists on Wall Street. But unfortunately we are now in a situation where our elected officials on both sides on the aisle are too beholden the war profiteers at the Pentagon and the sociopathic bankers on Wall Street to ever put them on the chopping block.
This leaves our elected officials no other choice but to put social security on the chopping block, despite the fact that unlike the our military and our banking system, social security pays for itself! This is what happens when you have a debt-based economy like ours — you reward your debtors and you punish your savers. Like all debt-based economies, we steal from our savers and hand out the loot to our debtors.
And because we have a pro-war, pro-Wall Street corporatist in the White House, it’s pretty much a given that he’ll go along with the Republican plan to first make sizable cuts to social security before raising the debt ceiling. The goal of all pro-war, pro-Wall Street corporatists, including our warmongering Nobel Peace Prize winner of a president, Barack Obama, is to starve social security in order fatten up the debt-making machines at the Pentagon and on Wall Street. And once social security is on its deathbed dying of starvation, Wall Street bankers will step in and claim that they can save social security by privatizing it, which is just another way of saying that they’ll make social security just another cog in their debt-making machine.
Prediction: not only is Obama going to be a one term President, there will be a record number of blanks where normally a vote will be.
They only way to change that is to primary this sorry excuse of a 21st century Trojan Horse of a politician
My guess: he knows enough will vote for him and doesn’t seem concerned about how many of his party are in Congress. My second guess: he has a plan for something to scare us into obedience in the final months before the election. And no guessing here: we don’t have an alternative organization at the presidential level, Congressional level, state level, or local level. We can manage little temper tantrums (write in someone’s name without organizing a write-in campaign, for instance)but that’s about the extent of our power. The corporate elite know “us” much better than we know ourselves.
Obama ran on this Hamilton Project crap back in the ’08 primary. Back then all the big Obama fans insisted his plan on SS reform was to raise the cap, a laugh riot that anyone would actually believe that. Well, here we are. This is exactly what Obama envisioned doing 4 years ago, albeit without the miserable economy. Well, everything changes now. FDR’s New Deal can’t survive these jokers.
Yup, looking forward to a nice Fall vacation checking out the foliage instead of phone banking…all that could change if someone steps up to primary the Trojan Horse because I feel in my bones that a primary challenger wouldn’t even have to raise a lot of money to upset the Trojan Horse in NH next year
that means giving up on the multi-year deficit dove message including, especially the subcategory along the lines of ‘progressive plan for deficit reduction’
for years progressives — like us — have been reinforcing the ‘defict reduction’ meme. galbraith (and others) warned progressives about this… and yet, almost every progressive think tank, media institution, etc i can think of fell right into the trap.
i can not over emphasize how important i think it is, not just to stop supporting/repeating that meme, but also to immediately pivot to challenging it repeatedly as directly and strongly as possible.
That or “(insert favorite character or actor here)” for president
I, being Kassandra, foresee the next Republican president who will make Obama look like a champion of the people. who will institute and theocracy and a state very much like Nazi Germany.
Don’t think they haven’t been studying totalitarian regimes and how to implement them with phoney boogeymen, False flags and war; both hot and economic.
TPTB know very well what this is going to do to the Democratic brand. They hate democracy! Why waste good money on people who don’t appreciate the power and world-changing benefits it offers?
They also know that it had to be a Democrat who took down Democratic programs and that’s why Obama was placed in the presidency; to be their patsy.
I really don’t blame HIM, per se, if he didn’t do it, he would be killed and Biden would do it.
An Oct. 6 pledge broadens the message —– this isn’t about Obama only. The movement has already been created — hope you’ll be there.
http://october2011.org
I can’t say it enough: this is what he was put in there to do.
Who didn’t see this coming by now? The “Shock Doctrine” anyone?
Not surprised, just horrified
Retirement Planning is a Glock .40, SS can still pay for that! They are only about 600 per person. A real bargain if you ask me.
And that’s exactly what they want to think: Republican forevermore….whether there’s a “D” or an “R” behind their names.
Pretty soon it’s gonna get dangerous to post here. this is really just the beginning of the attacks on the American people. We’ve sat while they’ve tested us state by state.
When you look at it from a detached point of view ( which is difficult) they’ve really done it beautifully, setting this all up for the last 30 years.
Next up: Fox private schools.
I doubt they’ll use brown shirts this time, maybe something more colorful; Blue and red?
Social Security is an insurance program WE all paid for.
Cutting Social Security is not cutting Federal spending.
It’s THEFT. Obama and the Republicrats are stealing insurance WE bought.
It’s time for direct N/V political action. We don’t need the Democratic Party to take direct action.
Time for all of us to stop waiting for some hero to come save us. No one else is coming. We all have to save ourselves and the insurance we paid from these corrupt thieves.
I’d say Obama has always used the GOP and the GOP-right as a stalking horse on economic matters. They frame the debate by demanding cuts to programs, tax reductions, corporate welfare, etc. and Obama responds by reaching a historic compromise with his ‘opponents.’
My characterization is not universally applicable to Obama’s relationship with the GOP and the GOP-right. I believe he would have supported the rentiers no matter what the GOP and GOP-right wanted. I also believe him to be the rational manager of the American empire. He’s done this job so well that the some of the GOP and the batshit crazy people have moved to an antiwar position because they find it hard to outflank Obama by moving to the right.
But, on economic matters….
The duopoly party system über alles — if the path promises disaster, they’ll always take it.
yes. Our friend Eskow is consistently good.
Dems apparently didn’t know about it before hand. Hence the suspicion they’re being sold out.
Agree. FDL needs to join with other Progressive Movements and start recruiting candidates everywhere. I am tired of signing petitions. They are not working. Dump the Democrats. We should be primarying Obama.
When food is scarce, it’s better to have a plot of land, a hoe and seed than to have a gun. It’s even better to have those goods when they components of a pool of commonly held resources, a more efficient and effective mode of organizing production than an aggregation of personally autarkic farmers.
Yes to all you say. Quite agree.
We need a massive campaign to appeal to the young generation. “Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa are under attack”. Get out and help your family and others you care about”. All progressive movements should get together and build on this……..we could really shake up this country if we move those kids.
Yes. That’s correct. You got it. Bingo. Pass the word along; help your friends, neighbors & relatives to wake up & smell the coffee. Obama is NOT our “friend.”
Here is what they are thinking. They truely believe that no matter what they do we will assess at election time the reality of voting for Republicans or him. What he doesn’t understand is that there is no difference between him and those crazies.
I’m not sure what Obama’s getting for having sold out the American people, but I am sure about where he’s going: straight to Hell.
Not necessarily. The PTB will insure that Obama “wins” if that’s what they want. From the perspective of the rich and well-connected, the MIC, Wall St & the banks, what’s NOT to love love love about their poodle, Barack Hussein Obama? My bet is that Obama “wins” by a landslide… and he’ll be out there on the hustings talking about his “mandate” from the “voters.”
Just talk to Diebold about how it’s done…
You’ll need to gun to fend off all the people who can’t grow any food. But in parts of the country where I live, you can’t grow anything without sophisticated industrial farming techniques and massive amounts of enrichment for the soil. It is however, reasonable warm all year so you won’t freeze to death, just starve. I think freezing is quicker and less painful.
Absolutely TRUE. But try telling that to the Dittoheads who have been reliably *brainwashed* to see Soc Sec as an “entitlement,” which means that somehow, by their pretzel logic, means that the poor are abjectly ripping off the super wealthy… and we sure can’t let that happen!
Too many conservatives, and frankly too many trad-Dem voters, have rolled over on Soc Sec & Medicare and a VERY willing to just “give it up” bc there’s “no way to save it.” I *hear* this spoken far too often by a whole lot of people.
Don’t expect US citizens to get up & stand up for their rights. They also *sold out* a long time ago for bunch of smoke & mirrors & cheap beads.
Yes. Good analysis on all points. I agree.
Shorter response: we are so screwed.
I wholeheartedly agree. SS has been by law required to buy special government bonds paying around 8% interest for many years. Many people will not even live to 65 or 67 to collect a dime of that money they paid in. The total debt owed to SS from these forced investments is around $2.5 to $2.7 TRILLION (WITH A T!). But all that money was borrowed by…. wait for it… The military industrial complex to pay for MX missiles and wars of aggression across the globe which have mad us LESS safe not more safe.
Yes but we need to start right now. The Progressive leaders need to start raising money for Media Ads. Labor should help us with this ..We need to appeal to all to dump the democrats and join us.
A Democrat is the only one who could have ended the last vestiges of the New Deal as only an anti-communist Republican could have reestablished relations with China.
I am to the point of asking: Is it time we decided to vote for the Republican candidate for president next year?
Of COURSE it will be a disaster if s/he is elected. But Obama is a rolling disaster as it is: His so-called “accomplishments” are, except for minor window-dressing, illusory. Take health-care “reform”: The ACA never was much more than a forced-enrollment plan for the healthcare-denial thieves, and what little good it was supposed to do will ultimately be destroyed by either the Supremes’ Fascist Five, or will be unrecognizably changed by the rules “implementation” process (being written by the criminals even as we speak). What will be left will be the individual mandate and little else.
My thinking is this: The next few years will see the greatest economic disaster the nation has ever faced. Whichever party is in charge at that time will be forever blamed for it. So why not actively try to get in a Republican President to take the hit? We will lose nothing–Obama is worse than worthless, because he subverts progressive values from within–and when the collapse occurs, it will be essential to convince the survivors that the blame be put where it belongs–on the corporatists rather than the good guys.
ENOUGH of Obama. I will not vote for him, will not support him, and may well deliberately vote for the Republican in order to see him beat. I will vote for progressive Dem’s or Greens for every other office, but not for President; and maybe–just maybe–when the time comes to rebuild we’ll finally get the FDR we thought we were electing in ’08, instead of another tired Clintonesque sellout. The American electorate has been so debased, dazed and confused by corporatist media that it will only react meaningfully when disaster strikes. The disaster is on its way; let’s see if we can get the blame placed where it belongs–on the Republicans.
O & Co is after generation divide via zero sum game. Hey kids, if we let your folks spend this money, there won’t be any for you.
Sound like FDL needs to give some more people limited additional access to …maybe… hide spam posts in place until an editor can get around to deleting them.
The UK runs more than two parties in their national elections..why don’t we. I think this is the time to start.
WTF is this shit?
Can somebody block/remove this spammer/troll?
Can we have a SECOND political party please?
The unions will be their for the fraud. Already the NEA has endorsed Obama and Leo Gerard of the Steel Workers Union is constantly singing the praises of Obama and how much he “really likes him.” There is no mass movement protesting in the streets and until there is the oligarchs will do what is best for them and “business” and their will be no mass movement in the streets until children are starving, people are dying in the streets and a new generation of Okies roam the country looking for any work at all.
If you look up “caveman” in the dictionary, you see a picture of Barack Obama.
He doesn’t care if you vote for him. He’s counting on naive, ill-informed and misinformed “independents” to win the election for him. Given the crazies on the far right he’ll likely get that coveted independent vote and the vaunted independents won’t know what’s in store for them until it’s too late.
I did.
That certainly appears to be the case. Despite massive unemployment, the US still seems to be “too rich” to really get it. I guess as long as citizens have enough money to watch junk on tv and eat junk food, they are quite willing to give up their hard earned money to super rich people.
Unless or until people really start feeling the pinch so hard that the siren call of Nancy Grace shrieking about some dead blonde white girl no longer distracts them… well only then may we see some citizens taking notice and being willing to do something about it.
“it’s all about ego. . . and the conviction that doing exactly the wrong thing for the economy and destroying his Party’s brand and integrity will be rewarded at the polls”
Just like the Iraqis welcomed their ‘liberators’ (i mean occupiers) with flowers and gratitude.
What could possibly go wrong?
“Progressive leaders?” There are no progressive “leaders.” and don’t count on unions coming to the rescue. Where the fuck have the “unions” been the last 2 1/2 years?
Last week we had a couple of people who posted here pretty much ranting at FDL bloggers for being, I dunno, kind of “traitors” for being so anti-Obama & anti-Democratic party. We were compared to Rush Limbaugh dittoheads and pretty much adjured that FDL bloggers had a hive mind & didn’t think for ourselves. That we were being led into out “group think” in order to “support” the so-called “Republicans.”
I wonder if we will get similar bashings *this* week for, once again, telling the truth about Barack Hussein Obama & the so-called “Democratic” party???? Are we here at FDL yet again exhibiting the same kind of “bad form” for not rushing to embrace our ‘dear leader’s’ policies, no matter what??? After all, Obama does call himself a “Democratic” POTUS… what more “proof” do we need that he’s truly really on our side???? /s
Inquiring minds want to know. Guess we’ll see if our Obamabot friends return to bash us yet again.
First came the flowers and gratitude followed shortly by grenades and bullets.
Even if Obama is not reelected,he and Michelle go on to serve on the Board of Directors for international capital corporations, flying abroad to attend conferences and rake in speaking fees.
We lose – our homes, our jobs, our families, our health and our lives.
Damn – I guess he is a chess master !!
It is less bad here than on Huffpost. But, commenters need to stop analyzing the subjective factors that make Obama sell out. The very concept of “sell out” presumes that he was ever on our side to begin with. In the US we have a center right party (the democrats, and Obama is a run of the mill center right pol) and a far right party (the republicans). Progressives who stay in the democratic party have Stockholm syndrome. Time for a labor party and a new union movement.
Getting out of expensive, black-hole BS wars should be a factor in the budget agreement mix. We have to give up social security and medicare because ass hats in the military and congress allow 14 billion dollars to be stolen from us in Iraq in addition to the 4.4 billion in war expenses. Why not go after the 14 billion stolen from us to pay for the social security and medicare Bohner and Obama want to take away from Americans. When will the truth be told that the military and their wars have broken America? Obama is a liar or a very, very stupid bargainer.
I could say Dems are unbelievably stupid, but to be honest this stuff is getting more and more believable. How could they possibly lose the 2010 election? Now it looks like defeat in 2012 too.
I think you meant $4.4 trillion in war costs (that estimate includes “Homeland Security” and support for veterans).
So I just called Schumer’s office to know his stance on Obama’s slashing nonsense. The guy I spoke with said the Senator is not for “any cuts that damage the program”. SO I then said, “so you’re FOR cuts?” to which he replied, “that’s not what I said sir.” Then I said, “yes you did. You said you’re not for any cuts that would damage the program but that is not the same as saying no cuts at all.” Then he went on some spiel about changing delivery methods (I think he’s confused with Medicare, which by the way, the ignorance of that is itself not a good sign). I just ended it after that by telling him, “I don’t know why you guys think this is a winning message. In no way shape or form is it a winning message to tell people ‘they’re going to cut a lot but we’ll just cut a little’. It’s still a cut. I don’t know why you all can’t see how big a disaster this is but I hope you all get it together soon.”
And so it goes, the Democratic party will forever be lost if he does this. Say hello to President “whoever the Republicans run against Obama”, no matter who it is. It won’t matter who they run, the left will sit this one out wholesale if Obama commits the ultimate betrayal. He will hand over to the GOP their holy grail, and he will be despised in Democratic circles if he does so.
See update II above. The White House is trying to calm everyone by having an anonymouse WH person say the initial reports, which the WH itself helped leak to the WaPo, NYT, and other media, “overshoot the runway.” It was their plane and their runway.
A ship without a magnetic compass and a seasoned, astute captain is a menace and danger to all who sail the seas.
A President without a moral compass, ethically unprincipled, and with no discernable political course charted is not just a cancer destroying his own country, but if untreated will surely metastasize and if given enough time and latitude will reap a full crop of global, human misery and death.
We have already seen what one Chamberlain has done and are quietly watching a second one sell out the people of the United States and the world, again, to fascistic, authoritarian interests.
Obama: Never Again!
As I have said elsewhere, “Overshoots the runway” is Obamanese for “Let the cat out of the bag.”
Obama has ‘stones’.
He just gave them to the Republicans for safe keeping.
Spitzer would have been good but we know what happened there. It’s a shame really he was a fighter who did not take a bit of shit from the repukes. They had to take him down before he became president. Too bad he did’nt keep his pecker in his pants he’d maybe have had a shot in 2012.
So is my 90 year old mother, thanks Obama.
Or a GEICO ad.
And who the hell cares about preserving the promise of social security anyway? We need to preserve the actual program not the freaking promise. This is classic Obama-speak when he’s about to screw over the base.
Exactly.
And where is the equal sacrifice from the congress and senate roaches. They should have their health care dropped and whatever other perks they have. That’s the word that needs to get out to the people and really bang on it. At least it might make the cowards duck and cover.
Realistically, capitalism is the legal theft of the people’s labor.
Obama and the Republicans have taken the additional cost cutting step of directly stealing the fruits of their labor: their savings and assets.
A democratic socialist United States is the only solution to the disease of fascism.
x2.
Anyone else fed up with tipp oneil?
I swear to god I’d like to go back in time [moderated] JUST SO I DON’T HAVE TO HEAR ANY MORE ****ING COMPARISONS ABOUT HOW GREAT THE GUY SELLING HIS SOUL IS JUST LIKE TIPP MOTHER****ING ONEIL!!!
…sorry for the caps but the constant “I’d like them to make a deal like tipp oneill and ray gun” comparisons on every ****ing
cable show is just plain frickin annoying
[no violence please, even in jest -- SC]
Newscaster: Breaking News: President Obama was ****ed to death by a Rhino
Newscaster: My apologies, obama was ****ed to death by the Rino John Boehner as his final act of bi partisan ship…sure we lost medicare social security and are now the property of our corporate overlords, but at least that smirking chimps dead
Our votes, people. All we have left to fight with. So how do we deliver the message before the damage is done? We need a damn big stick and we need it now. It needs to be visual and sadly, bumper sticker length. Something like the USUncut scissors? You cut our safety net we cut our voter reg card?
Dangerous to post here? I don’t think so. I’ve been thinking this morning that perhaps in sites such as FDL we unwittingly help to create the illusion of a democracy. Talking is far less threatening to the corporate elite than organizing would be. I believe the FBI has been raiding the homes of organizers not posters. Perhaps if you’re doing both . . .?
That would put him up there with all of the other chess luminaries:
Genghis Khan
Alexander the Great
Hitler
Emperor Hirohito
Mussolini
Franco
Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot
Kim Jong-il
Obama
I think he is in good company, if you like that sort.
okay..taking Levi outa the coral,calling local TV news
Levi,has horse sense…he shall oppose…presidentTrojan Horse
better a real horse,that loves people,than this self serving prick
Has anybody seen anything other than this WaPo article? Because the NYT isn’t running with it yet and hasn’t. And the WaPo article has huge headlines, but the only substantive claim of the article is that the Obama administration has proposed adjusting the way the COLA is calculated for Social Security.
The substantive change for SS was made during the tax breaks for millionaires deal a couple of months ago when they gave a payroll tax break in FICA, which changes the solvency of SS. Barring that, the program isn’t and wouldn’t be insolvent at all.
Medicare is a different story, but there are tons of other ways to address it. Nothing NOTHING has been proposed in the WaPo article rel Medicare/Medicaid, despite the title and claims in the article, no substantive claim at all. No other one for SS except that one about the calculation of the inflation rate for the COLA adjustments.
I call foul on WaPo unless we see something else. We’ve been hearing about massive cuts for days as a rumor, but this isn’t it.
Sadly Fascism has been in this country for a long time. During WWII over 300 corporations supported the Nazi’s. After the war they went underground and regrouped. This is a culmination of 50 years worth of propaganda and putting the right people in the right places. Chris Hedges is right the liberal class has been dead for a long time. I don’t know the answer but we can’t stop fighting. JMHO from an old and tired layperson.
No… it’s not… but that’s because this economic system is not capitalism as envisioned by Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations. That capitalism was an economy of nothing but small business, tightly regulated to ensure none is large enough to have any control on prices.
There’s some options out there, but all require tight regulation and real white collar crime law enforcement.
Check out TPM they have an article about the same thing.
http://bit.ly/nFxSfm
You’re exactly right. I didn’t even catch that Obamism.
A few weeks before GWB launched “shock and awe,” I read a piece by a Middle East expert that predicted–if the war happened–Saddam’s regime would likely fall in a matter of weeks. He said that we would be greeted as liberators as the neocons were predicting, but if we were still there a month later, the Iraqis would turn against us. That was spot on.
He also said that it was unlikely that Saddam still had a useable arsenal of WMD, but if he did, we’d know about it within 48 hours of the start of the war because they’d be launched against Israel.
The only way to hear such insights before the war was to look for them on the Internet. Such people were banned by the telecasters from ever appearing on American television.
You can’t argue with a true believer and expect to accomplish anything. Some people are as stubbornly pro-Obama as others were (and continue to be) pro-Bush.
Surprised by the Anthony verdict. NOT surprised by this. Frankly anyone that continues this charade by voting for “Democrats” gets what they deserve. Two hands of the same party. This country is reaping everything it has sown. Going down in the bucket of empire.
The religious right drove the final nail in our coffen. Obama is lowering it into the hole.
I’m not flagging the post as inappropriate, I’m flagging Obama as inappropriate. In depth.
Over 1.5 years ago, it was “Obama to propose conservative health care plan (individual mandate without public option) to buy Lieberman, et al’s votes on health care”.
Same crap different year. Watching Obama cave like this is just like watching Home Alone 2.
I think everyone in DC knows, especially Obama, that the economy is must one heart attack away from the undertakers. And all they are doing is trying to buy as much time as possible.
er…just one heart attack away from the undertakers.
If you dare…
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58123701/Al-Hodges-6-17-2011
http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/
I must disagree with you. It is intentional self-delusion at this point in the fascist play to think even for a moment that the ruling plutocratic, oligarchic powers who really control the economy and politics of this country would quietly retire into the night without a bloody economic battle, and if that fails, a military and police assault on the citizens.
The ballot box is not going to solve our problems, especially since the accepted United States mythology of a two party system is coming apart at the seams allowing the people to realize the true corporate control of both parties.
The system itself must undergo radical change and the only proven, logical choice is a democratic socialistic system and society.
Absolutely.
Without IBM under Watson supplying and maintaining the Nazi Holerith computing machine system , Hitler could not have managed the logistics of the war in general and death camps in particular. See ‘IBM and the Holocaust’ by Edwin Black, dialog press 2001.
‘None dare call it treason’ (John Stormer) but that is exactly what it was: predatory capitalistic treason.
And no one paid the price for American treachery except its millions of victims.
Nothing new under the sun.
Yay.. now maybe that will cease this insane spending spree, going on since Bush II & his wars.. the sooner the feds go broke, the better we the people will be
Progressive policy is all about taking from some giving it to others and felling morally smug… and keeping a percentage for the glory.
Even Paris Hilton is more worthy of respect
revoking corporate personhood is commendable– so that means no corporate taxes either right? right? how can you tax someone who is not a person?