I’ve always thought the pent up anger at George Bush and the frustration from the Bush years would have allowed Daisy Duck or the Chipmunks to win the Presidency in 2008. So the trick was to elect someone who understood that anger and was prepared to reverse all the reasons it existed. Sure, the Obama message people understood this, but so did my cat.
Now the people who helped Obama defraud voters by channeling everyone’s hope for change have convinced themselves he won the election because they’re political geniuses.
The lastest example of this delusion is Obama’s senior campaign adviser, David Plouffe, who confidently told Bloomberg that going into the 2012 elections with over 8 percent unemployment and no meaningful jobs programs will not hurt Obama’s chances for reelection:
“The average American does not view the economy through the prism of GDP or unemployment rates or even monthly jobs numbers,” Plouffe said. “People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’”
Yes, that’s coming from the White House that just leaked to the Beltway media that Mr. Obama wants a grand bargain with the most clownish political party in America’s memory in which benefits are significantly cut for poor people, sick people, old people, impoverished women and children in exchange for adjusting taxes on hedge funds and the depreciation rates on corporate jets. But Mr. Plouffe’s tone deafness doesn’t end there. More from Bloomberg on Plouffe:
Since World War II, no U.S. president has won re-election with a jobless rate above 6 percent, with the exception of Ronald Reagan, who faced 7.2 percent unemployment on Election Day in 1984. The median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg puts the unemployment rate at 8.2 percent in the third quarter of next year.
“Their decision next year will be based upon two things,” Plouffe said. “How do I feel about things right now and then, ultimately, campaigns are always much more about the future and who do I think has got the best idea, the best vision for where to take the country?”
Oh, so the Obama White House that makes a habit of betraying his supporters and selling out on war, taxes for the rich, Social Security/Medicare, torture acountability, reining in banksters, helping the jobless, etc, is going to sell us on his vision for American kleptocracy?
With polls telling us that the vast majority of the country disapproves of Mr. Obama’s handling of the economy and even larger majorities fear the country is on the wrong track, Mr. Pflouffe believes he can lie about his guy’s vision better than Mitt Romney can lie about his. May the gods help us all.
So much for Mr. Obama’s political team. What are we hearing from the President’s economic advisers that will convince Americans we’re headed in the right direction?
Here, let us recall that esteemed professors of my alma mater assured us the President’s econ men believed the right things and were basically trying to do the right things. Why, even Larry Summers — Mr. “We only need an insurance policy” — recently insisted that he always believed, but perhaps forgot to emphasize at the time, that there’s little risk of having too large a stimulus. But alas, the wise economists were just overridden by the political goons and presumably Obama himself.
Yet Gene Sperling, the White House’s current senior economic adviser, told MSNBC’s Chris Hayes last night that he not only believes in the confidence fairy — that’s in an earlier segment and goes along with Obama’s faith in the expansionary austerity unicorn. He also indulges Obama’s view you can simultaneously acheve good spending/investments to sustain demand while you’re giving in to the Zombies who insist we have to cut everything government does (except war) because we’re broke. Sperling’s total interview ran about 8 minutes, but there’s nothing to indicate he acknowledges the economic contradictions and incoherence in what Obama is proposing in his grand bargain with John Boehner and the Tea-GOP.
And note Sperling’s admission that the only potentially meaninful jobs effort, an infrastructure investment bank, will likely not be in the “grand bargain.” Why is that? Apparently the bargain is just for hurting the economy; anything that might help the unemployed and rebuild the country — you know, that vision thing — is not important enough to bargain for.



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The same Beltway brainiacs who think unemployment doesn’t matter also dismiss the possibility that millions of people who voted for Obama in 2008 have become so disillusioned that they won’t show up at the polls. They’re in for a rude surprise.
I really think that former DC Mayor Adrian Fenty is making all the decisions. At least that is what it looks like.
Dubya looked and acted like Alfred E. Neuman. Folks like Obama, Sperling, and Plouffe just act like him.
I think David Plouffe’s comments fall under the category of desperate spin.
The average American does not view the economy through the prism of GDP or unemployment rates or even monthly jobs numbers,” Plouffe said. “People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’”
Oh yes Dave P I am so happy that the world around me is falling apart I think Obama is the greatest and I can’t wait to vote for him and his entire party! You are right Dave the President really loves me as a father does a child..he must because he treats us like children,,,
As for Geno…please go away with the Mega Bubba and never come back..you sucked in the 90s with panderbear and you suck now
Great diary. Your right on the mark of course. The question going through my mind is how dysfunctional and deluded have these people been since day one? If we look at the compromises and outright failures of this administration given the challenges facing this country, Obama and his administration have been a stunning failure.
“The average American does not view the economy through the prism of GDP or unemployment rates or even monthly jobs numbers,” Plouffe said.
Obama won with high Minority turnout Minority unemployment is much higher.
Also the under employed and those who have left the job market because its hopeless are not counted in his numbers.
“People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’”
Yes it does people selling homes at a loss or losing their homes might have jobs but are not happy. People with unemployed Friends and Relatives sleeping on the couch are not happy.
People who drive through Chicago David and see a bunch of Empty store fronts and homes that have not sold for a year worry about the economy even if they have jobs.
Dave did you go to the Taste of Chicago this year you live in Chicago The Taste of Chicago lost money thats how bad the economy is.
Get off your Ivory Tower of Chicago Economics and visit Chicago Dave.
Empty homes and Stores attract Homeless People Dave that means more crime and costs you the Law and Order vote.
hey, is your cat running for the presidency in 2012? He/she’s got my vote. Democrat or third party? Perhaps I should get one of my own cats to run.
My cat is not a person, so he’s not eligible.
Well that’s what his loyalists say…”so much awesomeness in one man! SWOOOOOOOOON!”
Is there a medical term for this? Headuptheass Syndrome, perhaps?
Jobless rate that is high but noticeably falling will not matter – Reagan sold the same facts as “springtime in America” – and Reagan, not FDR, is the mentor of Obama.
But spending cuts with 1.3 to 1.6 “effectiveness factors” on GDP offset by tax cuts with 0.3 to 0.5 factors means GDP is going to take a large hit – and jobs will not get added. Bill Clinton had a large part of the left working in middle management pushing good economic decisions – Obama has GW Bush holdovers and new “centrists” that have no economic backgrounds and Obama wants it that way.
Sperling appears to be without talent – he is wealthy parent legacy that picked up a law degree – nothing else – and sells himself as “savvy political strategist with proven ability to extract victories on fiscal issues from a hostile Congress”.
May the Good Lord save us from Obama.
After all, as J. Stalin once said, all that matter is who counts the votes, not who casts them.
second the motion
Well if the Obama administration don’t let reality get in their way, Scarecrow, why should we?
Oh yeah, I forgot. They have different rules for us and our pets than they have for corporations.
Still I”ll bet your cat would make a heck of a good president compared to Obama–as you are beside it to interpret.
Plouffe isn’t merely tone-deaf. He’s deaf in a rather typically calculated fashion. His brand of truthiness is not even remotely atypical of his profession.
On the one hand, much of what he says in those pull-quotes is actually pretty accurate. It’s true most people don’t look at econ numbers to make a decision. It’s true that people look at their own lives. But they also look at the lives of their children, neighbors, communities and extended families. So in this sense, Plouffe should be wishing people paid more attention to statistics they can massage before the election, since the street-level view of those numbers is going to be much worse than the numbers themselves, yes?
So all Plouffe is really saying here is what he barely implies: “People will choose Brand Obama over Brand GoOPer, because we’re shinier than those other people.” That’s it. This is how a cynical plutarchy can separate policy and politics from the elections themselves.
Shorter Plouffe: “It really doesn’t matter what we do or don’t do. It’s how we look to the Mushy Middle we can pummel with social coercion techniques next fall.”
This is why the establishment is so obsessed with “Swing Voters.” These people put as much effort into choosing the next preznit as they do in choosing a tube of toothpaste. They can be manipulated socially, without having to go into all that political stuff.
There’s an old axe that states, “generals are always fighting the last war.” Well, it rings true in US politics as well, because Plouffe’s “thinking” hasn’t changed one whit from the Clintonoid years. Clinton was re-elected precisely on Plouffe’s well worn thesis. Chances are, it will also work for Obama next year as well. I mean, just look at who the GOP has on tap to run against the most polished candidate since Bubba?
It may work. But it’s also possible it won’t. If Jeb Bush files papers in January, I’d say the gig is up for Obama, since the entire establishment will rally to the cause of the Bush Crime Family. But if the GOP doesn’t put someone better up than the current crew, I’d venture to say they’re not even trying to win in 2012.
If Obama does win, it will be by the skin of his teeth.
Put yourselves in Obama’s shoes. I know the shoes stink from wading through the fever swamp of Washington, but just for a moment. You’re not being primaried and you can make damn sure that doesn’t happen. All the “competition” from the Right is coming from a set of C-List cartoon characters.
Where’s the pressure to do anything resembling serving those that voted for you in the first place? At this point, the only real pressure is coming from your corporate overlords and the need to find vastly better copywriters. That’s about it.
So Plouffe’s tone-deafness is understandable, if totally cynical and morally reprehensible.
Beltway myopia?
Or perhaps former former DC mayor Marion Barry.
Just incorporate your cat; problem solved!!
“People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’
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You seriously couldn’t make this shit up. These people are beyond clueless and out of touch.
Someone should tell David Plouffe and the rest of the Professional Dems that people don’t feel good about their situation when they, their friends, or their family, are unemployed. Particularly in light of how well taken care of Wall Street was. In my books, that’s called “voting based on the unemployment rate”.
I’m wondering what planet Plouffe, etal live on…it can’t be earth.
Of course, considering that they have all been bought and paid for many times over, they really don’t give a shit.
And so we now see the fruit of weeds rather than seeds when the season for mounting a primary challenge to Obama was upon us.
Every member of the Democratic caucus seeking reelection will be saddled with Obama’s messaging platform – drawn straight from reality and the President’s mouth.
- Debt is bad
- Jobs don’t matter
- Social Security is broken
- Medical bills will be cheaper tomorrow
- Wars are expensive and cool
- Your home is not your’s, its the property of some bank
- “I’m fair & balanced”, they’re not
My advice, check the renewal date on your passport.
And as other realists have noted for years, if voting could truly change anything it would have been outlawed long ago.
blazing saddles. Sheriff Bart. takes himself hostage.
Oh, that’s still too high-level, it seems that it has to be made even plainer for these dunderheads: if unemployment is higher, that means that more of the voters looking at their own situation are not going to like what they see. That’s before they even look around at family, friends, and neighbors.
My cat has just issued this statement: “If nominated, I will not run. If elected, you people are in trouble.”.
Plouffe and the rest of the geniuses around Obama ought consider the fact that the real unemployment rate still stands somewhere north of 20% That rate means that many of the Obama voters are unemployed, is related to someone unemployed, know someone who is unemployed or has heard of someone who is unemployed. These voters may also notice that number of stores that are now closed, boards over the windows so that the vandals cannot deface, loot or burn the place to the ground. When they saw chaos looming before them back in 2007-8, they voted for the black guy who stood before them promising hope and change. What they got was another helping of bullshit, akin to but different than the bullshit peddled by the Bush gang.
What will the ‘Hope and Change” man promise in 2012, a time when the conditions in which the “lesser people” live are worse than they were in 2008?
“desperate spin” — yes, the campaign manager does tend to focus on the campaign ‘messaging’ bit rather than the policy thing. So when asked if the voters will reject Obama because of his policies, he replies that Obama will have a better campaign message.
What else would you expect Obama’s political and economic advisors to say in public? That the jobless rate, horrendous as it is, will hurt Obama in 2012?
I thought Plouffe’s comments fall under the category of “Plouffing.” I stand corrected.
David Plouffe’s so impressed with Obama, he might as well be his gerbil.
F Obama to Hell.
Scarecrow, you could change your name to Generic Republican and be the next President of the USA.
Let me explain what the Obama’s campaign message will be for 2012, I’m a piece of crap, but look at the other side, their worse than me. His team thinks this message will win in 2012. That’s why they’re so arrogant about the approach this president is taking in these debt talks. They’re betting that because the GOP has such nutcases on the ticket, they can win without even trying to win back their base.
We need to make it perfectly clear to this president that he can kiss a second term goodbye if he sells us out on the the two most important progressive achievements of the 20th century. He needs to know that he has about as good a chance as a snowball in hell of winning if he sells out on Medicare and Social Security.
Like the family finances analogy, Plouffe’s point is correct but the conclusions that folks jump to in and outside the campaign are not.
Families vote based on their situation. If they are job-scared, and maybe 40% of families are right now, the unemployment rate is going to weigh heavily on their vote. If there are reasonably secure, and maybe 30% of families have the illusion that they are, they will buy the “things are getting better” line with respect to the economy. If their situation is dire, and 25% of families are in that situation, they will likely have other things to do besides voting. If they are the 5% of families who are having a great economy, they are going to vote to cut taxes. For 25%, unemployment is a real and pressing issue to the point that it distracts from politics. For 30%, it is salient enough to affect votes. For the rest, meh.
And it’s not the jobless rate in 2012 they need to worry about but the jobless rate in October 2012. Great numbers in January and in the toilet in October just doesn’t get averaged out.
The MIC/Wall street overlords and their black block voting machines don’t care about the unemployment rate either. The electoral college will be told who vote for and The Great Enabler is the best person the fascist could ever have in office.
The jobless rate weight heavily even on people who are employed since everybody knows someone or is related to someone who has been affected by unemployment even if they haven’t been unemployed themselves. For example, if you own or work in a retail business, or a restaurant you have been affected by the unemployment rate since your sales are likely down. So you may not be affected yourself but you are still feeling the affects.
When our political choices are btwn bad and worse something must be broken.
Not that I care, but it’s hard to understand Obama’s game: Republicans will never vote for him and he’s doing back flips to lose Democrats. Sadly, he has become the mother of all political train wrecks – for liberals and the gift that keeps giving for Republicans. There’s clearly no dirty deed he won’t do on their behalf while getting kicked at the same time.
Obama doesn’t actually control everything himself. He does have to work with congress, whether he wants to or not. People act as if he were a king and could just wave his wand and do whatever he wants to. He can’t do that. No President can.
David Plouffe as a political adviser is the equivalent of an “electrician” who doesn’t know how to change a light bulb.
How did that idiot get a job giving such awful advice?
Obama most likely will be re-elected in 2012. And things will get even worse. Then people will elect a Republican in 2016, and things will get worse. That person will be re-elected in 2020, things will get worse, and then people will elect a Democrat in 2024. And things will get worse…
Obama will “win” in 2012 if the PTB want Obama to “win.” From the perspective of the mega-rich, what’s not to like about their poodle, Obama? My bet is that Obama “wins” by the proverbial “landslide,” and then he’ll have that “mandate” to rape, plunder & pillage the middle & working class even more.
Not what I want; just calls it as I sees it…
Shorter Barry: “What, me worry?”
Not much fight in this group of commenters. Obama will be re-elected. But, Democrats will probably lose control of the Senate. We will have four more years of paralysis. We need fighters who will go into the red states and change the politics there. Only with help new politicians elected from the states will we be able to change the nation. Our one president and his few campaign advisers need aggressive troops in the field. Sadly, FDL chooses to sit out this battle.
I just pretty much repeated – up above in a reply – just what you said here. I owe you a drink, and very sadly, I quite agree with you.
My “bet” is that Obama “wins” in 2012. The mega-rich are very very pleased with how their poodle performs… it’s a big “win” for the upper 1%. The enablers of the upper 1% can be brought to heel by Rush & made to believe whatever it is that Rush tells them to believe on any given day.
I suggest you hang a round a little more and read more posts. FDL has providing funding and plenty of support for many campaigns. Some have been more successful than others.
He could do the right thing.
Well, we know in Washington you keep your job by telling jack off politicians that the people don’t count and telling them what
they want to hear.
I predict if they don’t save SS and Medicare the O’Pinocchio Presidency is one hundred percent lost and Dems can kiss their majorities good bye for decades.
We need a third party for the people. Progressive Workers’ Party. NOW IS THE TIME.
they are so wrong if they are serious about folks not paying attention to their finances. Remember “It’s the economy stupid!”?
It is.
Sounds like they’re predicting that there’s not going to be much turn-around in time for Nov 2012.
Jerks.
Obama, at the behest of the Oligachy, is likely a placesetter for JEB!. No one could have breathed new life into an utterly defeated and discredited Republican Party the way (O) did. It was amazing and sickening to behold.
And he’s not finished polishing knobs and busting social security/medicare.
(o)refuses to create government works programs as he expands NAFTA type Trade deals which promote further outsourcing.
No one could have trashed his own Party so effectively in the mid terms by accident.
No one else could have revitalized the “Bush Brand” after what Dubya had done to it.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking of it, but I think that evil motherfocker JEB! is gonna get his turn after all.
Here’s a way to leave a mark on the Democratic machine vis a vis Barry’s behavior….
Today I received a cold call from the state Democratic Party for a donation. The caller read from a script and eventually mentioned something about “the next election, Democrats, and President Obama.”
At that point I politely broke into the script, mentioned that I was terribly disappointed with Obama, and hung up.
If enough voters let the Democratic Party apparatus know that Barry is toxic, I expect that that message will eventually filter back to the President’s advisers.
you all seem to assume that we have fair elections in this country. the votes are “counted” by private companies with unvarifiable software. the fact that the dems cant even protect the vote shows we have become a plutacracy with democratic trappings to keep up the pretense
Maybe they are hoping jobless Americans are going to run out of unemployment insurance and grocery money, then starve to death and be forgotten by one and all before November 2012. Then they can give the rich another round of tax cuts right after the election.
Yes, I agree. And I’m wondering if the Republican party is putting up such a pathetic show in candidates partly because they’re essentially fine with Obama. Why fully fund anyone new when the person already there is doing exactly what they want?
Maybe if the Democratic-majority Congress had at least TRIED to enact an adequate economic recovery plan, single-payer health insurance, and some popular progressive legislation, people wouldn’t have given up on the Dems in the last election.
Let’s face it, President Bush got almost everything he wanted with smaller GOP congressional majorities– and after 2006, he and Cheney not only escaped impeachment but got war funding, FISA amendments, and other stuff from the Dem invertebrates.
I’m not at all sure that Obama will be re-elected. In fact, at this point, it looks far more likely that he won’t be.
Do you know a lot of people willing to give up their tax cuts? Seriously? Where are all these people?
Agree. Anymore I don’t think it really matters who/how we vote (although I’ll keep on voting), bc I think the PTB make sure that “their” candidate “wins.” Anyway, aren’t they all co-opted these days? Certainly *some* of the “Democratic” pols in Dee Cee used to operate a bit more in the favor of the “small person.” I think Citizens United SCOTUS decision just sealed the deal that NONE of ‘em work for anyone except the upper 1%.
I see very little difference between candidates, politicians & political parties these days. It’s all a lot of Kabuki show with predictable lies and spin, the “usual suspects” doing their Kabuki dancing and/or hand wringing or whatever.
Who said anything about anyone being “willing” to give up tax cuts? That’s not really the point, frankly. I don’t give a stuff if the mega-rich don’t feel like paying more taxes. Too bad, so sad, get used to it.
Frankly I’m “unwilling” to keep having MY taxes being re-distributed upwards to the mega-rich. Why don’t I get a say???
OTOH, Apparently, there are millions of Americans who want to give up some of their Social Security and Medicare Benefits. Right? Bueller?… Bueller?…
That’s the point, no one is willing to give up their tax cut, you included. Obama isn’t stupid enough not to know that.
Social Security and Medicare “benefits” are not in an account with your name on it, Bueller. Your paycheck, um, is in your name.
No one is willing to give up any portion of their social security either. Why is that on the chopping block but not tax hikes for the rich?
Obama already extended the Bush tax Cuts and got nothing for the little people.
He could have had the debt limit in exchange, but no.
Here comes JEB! in 3, 2, 1, …
Social security is not pay you’ve earned at a job. You are not entitled to anything other than what the federal government decides to give you. Your paycheck is quite different.
Also, Obama had no choice but to extend the Bush tax cuts. It would have been massively unpopular for him not to.
Let’s clear up a basic misconception here. Social Security IS PAY YOU HAVE EARNED WHILE WORKING ON A JOB! I cannot believe how inane and misinformed your comment is.
If you have a job or even bother to look at your pay stub, there are payroll tax deductions from the salary that YOU HAVE EARNED and what do those payroll taxes fund? They fund Medicare and Social Security. If there were no payroll tax deductions due to Social Security and Medicare, the net pay you receive from your employer THAT YOU HAVE EARNED FOR YOUR WORK would be LARGER. SO YOUR COMMENT IS COMPLETELY WRONG.
The revenue that the government collects from the Social Security and Medicare taxes are placed into a trust fund which funds the current year’s members who are enrolled in Social Security and Medicare. Hence, Medicare and Social Security are inter-generational social contracts – you pay into the system while you work to fund people who are already participating in the programs and, when you yourself enroll in the program, your benefits will be funded by younger people who are working.
Social Security and Medicare are and have been in surplus for the past several decades and will continue to be fully funded until 2038. However, it is absolutely UNFAIR for people who are paying into the Social Security and Medicare system NOW to receive future benefits that are greatly reduced compared to participants who are being funded now. Hence, Obama’s reform is going to reduce support for the programs leading to their eventual elimination.
That maybe because of misinformed people like you who are willing to trade a few extra hundred dollars in tax savings per year in exchange for cuts to vital social programs like a jobs program, infrastructure, and other needed social programs.
There is indeed a DUMBING down on the voters on both the right, center, AND LEFT that is helping spur this country’s demise.
“who do I think has got the best idea, the best vision for where to take the country?” Is he kidding?????
Well, fluffy, tell me why in the hell do you think the elderly, the sick, the homeless, the poor, the middle class, students, teachers, government workers or pretty much anyone goddamned else in this country are going to believe Obama has got the best idea, the best VISION for the country this time around? Those 20,000,000 unemployed or underemployed are not going to think so. I do not believe for one minute unemployment is going to go down to 8% with his vision and ideas being implemented at this rate. It is going to get worse.
WHEN he cuts social security, medicare and medicaid there are going to be sick, angry old people who won’t think his vision is all that special. We have had some time to actually experience his vision and it is ugly. He is a worse President than a Republican because Democrats would not let a Republican treat us this way. Only a Democrat can be allowed to destroy the Democratic Party and its “vision”.
ou have been asleep. Almost 80% of the public supported cutting the Bush tax cuts. Only the all important top 2% were desperate to keep them. Oh, and those they own in Congress.
slukegreen, you are a liar. SS is a payroll deduction. IT MOST CERTAINLY IS PAY YOU EARN!
Do they think the votes of the unemployed and underemployed (and the merely pissed-off) are going to be there next year? If so, I’d like to suggest that they get new glasses, ones with lenses that aren’t the color of a Chrysler Imperial rose.
Jeb isn’t likely to be running as a D, and he isn’t going to get votes from Ds.
Mr Obama does NOT deserve to be re elected. A challenger needs to emerge.
He is untrustworthy and lacking in values. He is a vacuous opportunist who finds it easier to compromise the people than stand up for them.
We cannot afford 4 more years of his capitulations.
I have voted democrat all my life. But no way, no how can I condone what Mr Obama has been floating. NO way can I trust this man any longer, no way can I afford to keep losing.
He is George Bush III
We need a change a REAL CHANGE
NOT A REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT WHO GOVERNS AS A REPUBLICAN
NO TO OBAMA, NO TO ANDREW CUOMO
Good point, but this still reflects someone contemplating their situation and not some abstract unemployment rate number.
And that’s my point, and I hope it was Plouffe’s.
As pointed out elsewhere, major companies have plenty of cash, without even mentioning the wealthy to which that cash would be going if those wealthy did not already have more than enough cash to spend with.
If the existing employees all demanded wage increases, and then proceeded to spend this money on additional goods (instead of just more expensive versions of the same goods) then the labour required to produce would go up and unemployment would decrease.
But people simply do not feel it’s worth the effort to ask for pay raises because they have no more use for the money than companies do, and would feel ‘selfish’ ‘wasting’ money when there are unemployed people who are struggling to get by. Soooo instead of being paid more, people just need to spend less time working at similar or higher wage rates. http://pastebin.com/Q86Zhgs9
* If you’re not serious about wanting unemployment reduced, don’t bother to read the above link
Obama’s Political, Economic Advisers Say Jobless Rate Won’t Matter in 2012
No, what they meant to say was
Ex President Obama’s Political, Economic Advisers Say Jobless Rate Won’t Matter in 2013
Perhaps it won’t as the jobless rates for whites is 8%. The others are in Never, Never Land.
What will matter is how fast Obama turned on his base. If he thinks he can win without the vote of those on Social Security, which contributes nothing to the debt, he is mistaken.
Draft Hillary! I am sick of Obama.