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Appearing on Meet the Press, White House Chief of Staff, William Daley made one of the most clueless statements about the American economy we’re likely to hear outside the Tea-GOP.
Explaining why the President was putting so much effort into trying to reach a grand bargain with John Boehner that would include trillions in spending cuts on worthwhile government programs, Mr. Daley essentially said that Obama was doing this not merely because we need to raise the debt limit, but because, “this deficit is a serious drag on the economy.”
Think about that: “The deficit is a serious drag on the economy.”
Apparently, the man closest to the President of the United States, and on whom the President relies for political and economy advice, does not know that the only reason the terrible unemployment numbers that may end his President’s re-election hopes are at 9.2 percent and not 11 or 12 percent or higher is because of the increased federal deficit spending of the last two years.
And the only thing that can keep unemployment from reaching higher levels in 2012 is continued federal spending, which they will cover via more deficits. If Mr. Daley’s diagnosis were translated into policy — and that seems to be what’s happening — he and his President will need new jobs in 2013.
Now I wouldn’t expect a political appointee to know much about some accounting identity that explains why federal primary deficits are inescapable when the private sector just lost trillions in housing wealth and we have a trade deficit. So never mind that chasm.
But how is it possible Mr. Daley cannot recall that the principal reasons Mr. Obama proposed and signed the deficit spending stimulus bill in 2009 were to avert a depression and keep unemployment from rising and, they hoped, to reduce it below the higher levels predicted at the time. That their predictions were too optimistic and thus the stimulus too small has become fodder for Tea-GOP demagoguery, but that’s another story.
On the debt reduction negotiations, David Gregory asked Mr. Daley what he must have thought was a gotcha now question. He showed Mr. Daley a graphic showing the increase in the total debt since Obama took office, with the debt going from $10 trillion to $14 trillion or so, and projected to rise another $2 trillion.
Then Gregory smuggly concluded, “can’t you [Mr. Daley] see the logic of those who argue that given this huge increase in the debt, it makes sense that we reduce that only with spending cuts and not tax increases?”
The correct response to a question that jaw-droppingly stupid would have been to award Gregory the Douglas Feith Award and terminate his contract with NBC. Daley may not get the allusion and couldn’t say that in any event.
But in responding, Daley couldn’t even remember to remind viewers that the bulk of that debt increase was entirely the result of the recession: fallen tax revenues and increased safety-net spending, plus the stimulus, all responding to the recession Mr. Obama inherited. Instead, he left us with the lecture on how the debt or deficit was a serious drag on the economy, so our President was really focused on that.
There isn’t a single adult left in this conversation.



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“There isn’t a single adult left in this conversation.”
I would love a video of your written analysis SC. It. Is. Fantastic.
Thank you.
Being (or, in truth, appearing) clueless is probably the most important “response” which the political class may aspire to.
Such a “condition” has been hugely popular among the general population, as well, at least until recently …
And Scarecrow, the difference between the elites and non-elites, is that the former never need worry about money, or a “job”, because they’ve all paid their “dues” (and will have life-long benefits, regardless of the state of the economy, the only “deficits” which concern them is a lack of power and “connectrion”) and the “club” will see that their considerable talents do not go unappreciated.
Where ever there is a need for cluelessness, there will be those who will rise to the occassion, and serve their own and their master’s “interests” most fathfully, “the people” be damned and the Constitution be trashed.
For a “clueless” bunch, it is amazing how rosey their futures, appear, “looking forward” … isn’t it?
DW
I should have noted that my “quotes” are paraphrases, from watching the broadcast. Since then, the good FDL fairies have added the video, so for the exact wording/statements, please refer to that. If I misheard them, we’ll fix.
It’s ridiculous for Gregory to measure Obama’s impact on the debt by stating what it was on the day he took office since it was Bush’s budget in effect before a single Obama initiative was enacted. It would be more accurate to say Obama inherited a debt in excess of $11-trillion and, as you point out, was increasing rapidly due to the recession that started under Bush’s second term. I don’t mention this to defend Obama, but to clarify reality so it can be properly assessed.
Obama is either clueless or a Republican mole looking forward to the millions of dollars in gratuities (speaking fees) he will make starting in 2013.
I’m increasingly finding yours the more plausible interpretation. The mind that once belonged to an innocent boy scout resists, but the facts are relentless and disheartening.
Note that the WH’s Bill Daley just confirmed what HuffPo’s Ryan Grim wrote about the proposed (and highly unconstitutional, not to mention anti-democratic with a small “d”) “Super Congress” — except that Daley calls it a “Super Committee”.
Yves Smith states this morning that the Super Congress gambit reminds her of the bad old days of the TARP.
Yep, that’s a better explanation for the debt trajectory that was already baked into the cake. And since Bush himself tried a tax cut stimulus in early 2008, one can argue that another stimulus effort in 2009, and even 2010 if needed, was already baked in too.
treating this sell out rich pig ass ki$$er as anything BUT a rich pig a$$ ki$$er means we validate the lying fucking scum.
um. let me re-read that 5 times before I post it … is it confusing? is it ambiguous? HOPE not!
rmm.
The bulk of the deficit is TARP, all the money the FED slipped under the table and those wars without end in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh and the Bush tax cuts.
I’ve actually been on tv! But you probably missed it. About 1952 or so, a segment of some farm kids holding newly hatched goslings that was done for the Mickey Mouse Club. You can have my autograph.
Daley and Wall Street and NBC and Gregory…
I just downloaded “Labor and Freedom” by Eugene Debs to remind myself that people used to live like dogs – so I am now ready for what tomorrow brings.
Thanks Sarecrow for another great report. You get my vote every time to take over for MSNBC’s Mourning Joke.
All the piggie$, at the trough, America has reached her Porcine Empire Apogee … seabos.
It is “downhill”, for the drunken, vicious, and nasty, old girl from here … on out.
My humble apologies to real pigs, everywhere.
DW
The White House inner circle thinks U3 is a rock band from Ireland.
Those “unfunded” (that IS the word chosen by the political class, themselves) wars.
If Isreal goes to war with Iran … then?
Unfunded, endless wars … started by the political class, and profited from by that same political class.
In a simililar vein, why DID Tony Blair call Murdoch BEFORE agreeing to join the “Willing” attacks (wars)upon reason and humanity started by Bush the Bloody Younger?
DW
I just heard Sen feinstein on TV agree to SSMM cuts but they want some revenue increases too. (yeah sure) And she reminded every one that she represents 38 million people so it is important that those cuts be repectful (my word ) to those who need the benefits. Oh yeah, we know how this goes.
Where are we headed when the president, the cos and the media have no idea how economics works and who really believe this deficit is important? We are fucked with this kind of leadership, all over DC. We are Greece.
tweet:
White House CoS, Bill Daley, Has No Clue What’s Keeping US Out of a Depression http://t.co/MZm0VfT #MTP @meetthepress
I was on the front page of the New York Times once. It’s true! Group shot of the World Chess Open (I think) taken from the mezzanine of the ballroom of the (then-)New York Penta hotel. IIRC, I’m about three tables in from the right, on the left-hand side of the table, 2nd game up from the aisle.
And aside from what each of the terms represents, Gregory’s question is mind-numbingly stupid indeed.
“[Do you agree that] given the size of this huge increase in the debt, it makes sense that we reduce with [Method A] and not [also using Method B]?”
Well, no, David, I don’t see how the large scope of a problem is an argument for using fewer tools to solve the problem, sorry. Could you explain it to me again? Maybe make a nice little chart. (What a maroon.)
“General Eisenhower, given the size of the D-Day invasion, doesn’t it make sense to only land at one beach, and not five?”
“Given the size of these wildfires, doesn’t it make sense to only use bucket brigades, not also fire hoses?”
I’m sure that isn’t the Stupidest Question Ever, but it sure feels like it.
We aren’t “out of a Depression”. It never stopped, unless you’re in the top 5%.
It can, of course, get much worse, and it will. It will keep getting worse until everyone is dead. That’s what extinction looks like.
This administration will enact neo-liberal policies which will make the Depression worse, or the next administration will.
Growth is over. (Heinberg’s new book is out August 9). The whole idea of Powerdown is to manage the process for the general welfare. I think that ship has already sailed.
I’m not looking forward to trying to push a handcart with my few belongings to the Yukon in hopes of signing on as a slave laborer on a pineapple plantation.
As my dad would say, David Gregory is a pretty face with naught behind.
Keep in mind whenever Daley says economy he means Wall Street.
I wish just once someone really told us what the problem with the debt is? It is so much bullshit. I mean we can only go “bankrupt” if the elites convince us, like they are doing now with the deficit. They are forcing us into a default or serous cuts in the social network. We better believe that elections have consequences next time around. That means we must control congress or this gets worse.
Oh, I do love the new spin though. “Respectful cuts”. LOL. I hope Obama runs with those words as a backdrop at all his appearances.
I just purely cannot wait to start casting my disrespectful votes!
We are all Herbert Hoover now.
It is just another way to take serious cuts and give some of them cover. It also ensures they can get it past the House which seems so fucked up. they can pass nothing.
Obama has to go. But the tea party people in congress needs to go too. We very much need to get control of congress to hold on to what little they leave us. I am not sure we can even do that. Times they are changing and the likes of Sarah and Sharon Angle are very popular.
WALL ST.=Casino on Maiden Lane
fucktards
#fuckyouwashington
pretty face……..bletch
AC mebbe
“In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful.
‘The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,’ he said. ‘It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.’
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/obama-2006-vs-obama-january-2011-vs-obama-april-2011-on-the-debt-ceiling.html
Will the real Obama please stand up? Who knows who Obama really is – about all we know is that he’s a snake, but the extent and direction of him being a snake can be hard to tell. Obama himself might not have believed in his own stimulus and just expected things to get better regardless by thinking that things would be cyclical. This is the same guy who voted for FISA after saying he wouldn’t and who went to war on the PO while as a candidate he supported it…maybe Obama was lying in 2006, but given his recent actions with wanting a “grand bargain,” perhaps his actions in 2006 better reflect how he truly views deficits.
I can’t worry about the tea party when I’ve got Amy Klobuchar ready to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and Al Franken hiding somewhere with his hands over his eyes and ears so he can’t see that the Lying Liars have taken over the Democratic Party.
War war war
Bombs bombs bombs
Guns guns guns
or
Peace peace peace
Food food food
Plants plants plants
Real alternative choices, one or the other. You can’t have both.
He’s an empty hairdo.
Title should read, White House POS……
That interview was absolutely ridiculous.
After the 1968 convention riots in which we saw Mayor Dick Dailey and his other son Richard M Dailey screaming obscenities on national TV as his police beat down the protestors, the Democratic party pulled itself together for a brief experiment in inclusiveness and democracy which ended after McGovern was defeated in 1972. Power was taken away from Dailey and the other bosses, and they never forgot or forgave the dirty hippy red peacenicks for what they did.
From that day to this, step by step, they have taken it all back: Carter, Clinton and now Obama, all conservatives and all repudiating pieces of the liberalism they hated and blamed. This man, the son of Dick Dailey, in the White House is the crowning achievement of their campaign. And you can see what it means.
The prospect of any kind of liberal or progressive idea ever emerging again in the Democratic party is Dead, Dead, Dead. In reality these ideas only existed for a very few years from 1932 to 1936 and then from 1964 to 1972. The real core of the party is conservative, pro-business, even pro-slavery in the old days and never helped anybody in the lower status of society except to manipulate votes in ethnic city machine politics like Dailey’s.
You should hang up Dailey’s picture a symbol of today’s Democratic Party, not Obama’s. Obama is just the front man.
The whole key to this “shock doctrine” approach is:
1. Rack up debt, not to invest in your economy to make it grow to provide a surplus to pay off debt, but to piss away. In our case, on tax cuts and wars.
2. Run up the debt until you need more credit just to cover the payments on your debt.
3. Adopt the principal that the single most important focus of society is to see that the bondholders are made whole (otherwise they will cut off the credit).
4. Restructure the entire output of your economy to debt service, abandoning the welfare of your own people.
Thus are all your people reduced to peonage.
The IMF has been doing it to other countries for decades. Now they’re doing it to us.
So really, there is no particular problem with the debt. It’s an excuse to enslave our people.
“There isn’t a single adult left in this conversation.”
BIIIG hug, ‘Crow…
in a manly sort of way, of course. :o)
As Jesus’ General (Fuck those Iraqi kids! Save the blastocysts!) would say. :o)
If ever any proof was needed of just where Obama’s sympathies lie, the fact that he would hire this fucking country club republican to run the White House, should suffice.
NEXT!
Daley is functionally a lobby for Wall Street and corporate interests. It’s not surprising at all, he would talk complete nonsense as it relates to economic policy.
Since Obama has said before about pursuing policies even if it meant a single term, I hope you decides to go the 14th amendment route with this debt issue, decide not to run for reelection and let a progressive run in his place (instead of against him in a primary.) It would be a win-win-win for all.
Arianna Huffington needs to call DiFi and ream her out about DiFi’s excuses for savage austerity cuts. Arianna had several good rifs on ABC’s talking heads today about how the whole debt ceiling crisis is completely artificial and how the deficit didn’t wipe out our jobs so fixing the deficit isn’t going to do anything about the real crisis of disappearing jobs, the real crisis of crumbling infrastructure, the real crisis of lack of economic growth. She even got the dipshits on her panel (other than George Will) to agree that an extra one percent growth in GDP would solve the deficit problem.
“…means we validate the…”
We didn’t validate him; Obama did that when he hired him.
I’ve seen one rection to it that called it a ‘central committee’. That might be a good one to spread around – people know what it means, and don’t want it.
pardon me – ‘reaction’. Type not so fgood these days….
1. Rack up debt, not to invest in your economy to make it grow to provide a surplus to pay off debt, but to ENRICH THE FAT CATS. In our case, on tax cuts and wars.
~~There, fixed it for you! ::smile::
She ought to have listened to her 38 million constituents when they were telling her to move to the left and stop hanging out with the Blue Dogs.
Linky to Arianna denouncing artificial crisis:
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/roundtable-budget-talk-breakdown-14146661
Linky to Arianna denouncing “artificial crisis” over the debt ceiling which no other major country has and which we have raised here in the U.S. dozens of times:
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/roundtable-budget-talk-breakdown-14146661 (starts around minute 3:50)
I read it as, “I’ve seen one retching to it that called it a ‘central committee’.
I kind of like that.
Deficits caused by Bush/Obama tax cuts to billionaires and millionaires and illegals wars with out of control defense expenditures.
“Have you seen the bigger piggies in their starched white shirts?
You will find the bigger piggies stirring up the dirt,
Always have clean shirts to play around in.
In their styes with all their backing they don’t care what goes on around,
In their eyes there’s something lacking,
What they need’s a damn good whacking.” George Harrison
FDL servers burped during one of my replies, so I wanted to repost here at the bottom.
Here is a link to Arianna denouncing “artificial crisis” over the debt ceiling which no other major country has and which we have raised here in the U.S. dozens of times:
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/roundtable-budget-talk-breakdown-14146661 (starts around minute 3:50)
Oh, they’re all “adults”, they’re just all the same subspecies of proto-human that crashed the world economy on Wall St with their blatant greed and corruption. They are going to bleed the America public to a dry husk.
This is the core belief of Reaganomics – I got mine and you got fucked. No thought of the country, the future, or even their own children or grandchildren – just corruption and greed.
Scarecrow, this is so crucial:
“the only reason the terrible unemployment numbers that may end his President’s re-election hopes [are not worse] is because of the increased federal deficit spending of the last two years.”
IOW, we must INCREASE the deficit in the short term to produce more demand and/or growth in GDP to increase jobs. Trying to shrink the deficit in the short term, which is what Repubs think they are doing, is a “job crushing spending cut.” It’s not taxing the billionaires that would “kill jobs,” it’s shrinking federal (and state) govt spending that is killing jobs.
Trouble is, Obama believes exactly the same thing, it’s not just Daley paying off his investment bank patrons and leading the preznit off a cliff. Obama actually said several times last week that fed govt is “like a family” and needs to “tighten its belt” and cut spending in tough economic times. He is so arrogant, it truly hurts. It’s the opposite, stupid! In tough economic times, only the fed govt (and state govts with federal support) can keep spending to maintain demand to maintain employment.
“The whole idea of Powerdown is to manage the process for the general welfare. I think that ship has already sailed”
I think Powerdown is what we are seeing – a blatant grab for whatever is left and isn’t nailed down. That ship not only has already sailed, we are all padlocked in the hold and the torpedos are on the way.
victoria
Gregory is a pretty face with a naughty behind. Too much of that MSNBC Lean Forward stuff.
victoria
Daley was singing a different tune when he was a bankster at JP Morgan, getting bailed out with tax payer money.
Watched that panel. Arianna got interrupted over and over by a hack Fox News business reporter and George Will. I suspect she gave Amanpour an earful afterwards. There are no rules.
Folks, any recovering is about getting the people to BELIEVE that what’s being done will lead to better times, economically.
Since Barack Obama has turned out to be, basically, a policy-clone of George Bush, I see no reason for optimism, and the bad news is, that I don’t think most other amurkans see any reason for optimism, either.
Of course, Obama, as personified by this interview with Bill Daley, is largely concerned with convincing americans that protecting the corporate status quo, IS the reason for optimism, and goddammit, we OWE them that optimism, so they can get a new Hatteras 53 every other year, on which to sit and be optimistic, themselves.
Put me in the column of “can’t stand the preznit any more” because he is gutting everything the Democratic Party has fought for the past 75 years.
More accurately, it’s a mechanism to enslave our people.
Hedge funds have taken huge losses Q2 2011 (thinking of John Paulson’s mob), possibly also Q1. Trader banks (the ones we hate) have reported huge shrinkage in revenues from trading Q1 & Q2. But still, I think, they are sucking up giant bonuses. Even with smaller revenues, they are still making enough money to pay the traders several tens of millions per year. Per person. How much does anyone need to buy a new Hatteras 53 every other year?
Senator Sanders knows where the money went – $16 trillion to Wall St and TBTF banks:
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3
In one short little year, they can give corrupt banks and corporations more money that the US has ever spent. But do anything for the American public that is the victim of this mess? Noooo, that’s IMPOSSIBLE. We need to cut programs that American’s have paid into their whole working life, has a surplus, and is fully funded for the next twenty+ years.
What utter horseshit.
does Linky actually say sixteen trillion in one year? wasn’t most of that LOANS to banks which they must repay at some point? (of course, at interest rates barely above zero percent.)
Yep, the day the Ds died. Corp. sell outs ever since.
Please don’t pick on my Sentator di-fi just doing what’s best for her hubby;)
Read the report and let us know. Tell us how many of these “loans” are paid back by selling the American public the worthless “toxic assets” at full value (hint – it’s not covered in the report):
http://sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/GAO%20Fed%20Investigation.pdf
Slicing the details on this akin to deciding how many sticks of dynamite the American public is being asked to shove up it’s collective a$$, but I suppose we need to know just how bad it gets.
3 yrs. after these thugs wrecked the economy and profited hugely before and after doing it and now they want to use their crimes as an excuse to gut whats left of the Social Safety net to enrich themselves even further. The classic definition of Chutzpah applies here. We are in the midst of the final battles of the Class War they’ve ( the Aristocracy and their political pals) have been waging against us for 30 + yrs. They are winning. The end result will be an Argentina style collapse and a Military – Corp. junta. The “Super Congress anyone? It was once called the “Fascist Council” in Italy. All we need now is the other shoe to fall with a Reich-stag style fire to burn down the Capitol bldg. /Congress etc. and we’ll be in the permanent Emergency these bastards are planning. The public will do nothing. SHEEP.
Actually, I was asking you to tell us what Sanders said in his press release. You are correct that there is a pile of shit sitting on the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve consisting of toxic mortgage bonds (RMBS, CMBS, who knows how much?), crap corporate junk bonds, maybe even buildings and real estate. But I was referring to the LOANS made by the Fed, for which the toxic shit & junk bonds are just COLLATERAL. Do the criminal banks have an obligation to repay those loans? Did those loans total sixteen trillion?
Sanders’s press release:
“As a result of this audit, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the United States and throughout the world,” said Sanders. “This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else.”
So the sixteen trillion included loans to U.S. banks and loans to European and Asian banks. Press release did not say how many trillions were paid back so far, but did confirm they were loaned at “near-zero interest rates.”
For example, this graf:
“The Fed outsourced virtually all of the operations of their emergency lending programs to private contractors like JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, and Wells Fargo. The same firms also received trillions of dollars in Fed loans at near-zero interest rates.”
The press release does not say how much of the loans have already been repaid.
Fractal July 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am «
Except when they probably won’t
Banks Pay Back TARP Funds by. . .Borrowing From Treasury
And then if anyone’s talking about the big banks, well, they’re the ones getting zero, or close to zero per cent loans which they then loan out at whatever per cent. Which is one way of saying its corporate welfare underwritten by the Fed and the US Treaury
Here’s the link
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/banks-pay-back-tarp-funds-borrowing-treasury-205658852.html
$16.115 trillion, see page 131 of the report.
Wow, you ARE good! You managed to appear on The Mickey Mouse Club three years before it was actually on the air!
I think your comment is absolutely perfect! No one should forget who the sell out rich pig ass ki$$er has for a brother. Also.
Dear Fractal, in the interest of good research and accuracy-in-posting ( :o) ) I googled around and found that evidently Hatteras doesn’t make a ’53 any more. There are ’55′s; ’58′s; all the way up to 100-plus. Of course, getting a price for a new one is kind of verboten. As in: “If you have to ask that…”
But! I found a 2010 ’60 that’s listed for $3.2 mil. :o)
And, as we might have expected, the yacht-making bidness is doing very, very, well, thank you…courtesy of one George Bush and his “short reliever” (we hope) Barack Obama.
I don’t think they believe the deficit is important. It is merely the cover story for the destruction of what remains of the New Deal. Since Bill Daley, most if not all of Congress as well as the media and the WH are the elite, they don’t care about the people who will genuinely suffer.
Pretty horse-faced if you ask me.
Well this is the guy who told people NAFTA was going to lead to an influx of jobs and wage increases, so he has a history of being a little off.