Compared to laying siege to government, hurting millions, and putting the economy at risk, it’s only a minor irritant, I suppose, one of the dozens of little misrepresentations that we are so used to hearing from the right wing that we just shrug our shoulders and wait for something new. But the fact the media almost never pushes back suggests that letting it slide is a mistake. And it’s just fractions!
Remember third grade math? Sure you do. It’s when you probably first learned fractions. Numerators! Denominators? Percentages! Pies! Well, it seems many right wingers skipped that year, because they can’t recall that a fraction has both a numerator and a denominator, so the size of the fraction depends on both.
So night after night, apparent third grade dropouts tell news anchors and talk show hosts, none of whom even sighs (sigh), that government spending has exploded under Socialist Obama. Before Obama, it was about 19 percent of GDP or 1/5th. But now its almost 1/4th, or 24 percent of GDP.
Tom Coburn said that on my public tv. Boehner and McConnell and Kyl say that. Every Tea-GOP and rightwinger has it tatooed on their foreheads, and Sarah Palin has is written on her palm. From 19 to 24 percent! Yikes!
Here’s Professor Krugman dragging us back to third grade with The Truth about federal spending:
The fact is that federal spending rose from 19.6% of GDP in fiscal 2007 to 23.8% of GDP in fiscal 2010. So isn’t that a huge spending spree? Well, no.
First of all, the size of a ratio depends on the denominator as well as the numerator. GDP has fallen sharply relative to the economy’s potential; here’s the ratio of real GDP to the CBO’s estimate of potential GDP:
Krugman goes on to use actual data related to the denominator. Facts! math! Annoying. How does he remember this complicated stuff?
He then shows that the remaining increase in the numerator is due almost entirely to reduced revenues and higher safety net spending caused by the recession, plus temporary stimulus spending, also necessitated by the recession, that’s now phasing out.
Bottom line. No permanent increase in the size of government. It’s the recession, not due to Obama. And Republicans either don’t know third grade math or they’re just lying.
We all know this, but it’s still stunning, and disheartening, that an entire party can be that dishonest and get away with this nonsense night after night.
Update: Mark Thoma of the Economist’s View finds David Frum also stunned by the Wall Street Journal’s denial of elementary math.
If you were to write a story about government debt, you’d probably be inclined to write about the two sets of government decisions that produce deficits or surpluses: decisions about expenditure and decisions about revenue. You’d want to do that not only as a matter of fairness, but also as a matter of math.
And that’s why, my friend, you would wash out as a WSJ editorialist. They wrote this editorial without any reference to revenues whatsoever. Boom! Gone! Don’t deny reality. Defy reality. . . .
One of the many traps and impediments facing a Journal editorialist writing about debt is that up until 2009, the US debt burden rose most under the two presidents the Journal most ardently supported: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. The debt burden declined most under the presidents the Journal most despises – Dwight Eisenhower, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.
Math has a well known liberal bias.



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the GOP never made to the 3rd grade but give the Dems some credit, they made past the 5th grade…those smart donkeys! No wonder Wall sr is laughing at these clowns!
Why is personal wealth guy Cramer so upset with the Tea Party hostages in the House?
Did they actually attend 3rd grade and above is the question.
Just nothing like the power and sobriety of Truth…guess we also learned that in the 3rd grade…some of us.
the other one i’m always hearing is 40% or 50% or 45% or 60% of people pay no taxes at all (i assume they mean income taxes). ergo it’s not fair to raise the taxes on the people who already pay for everything.
If Cramer is upset at TP, it’s perhaps because he blames them for creating uncertainty for investors — and the markets (Dow) went down several hundred points this week. Don’t usually watch him, but in flipping through, he seemed upset about something.
Yeah, good example. And not matter how many times they’re told, “uh, that’s just income taxes, and you’re ignoring the people who pay payroll raxes, etc,” they never stop using the talking point. Kind of a sign of dishonesty.
3rd grade wqs kind of a shit year for me. i mean, i don’t even remember anything about it. teacher? no idea.
again, NEVER any… wass gonna say pushback..it isn’t really even pushback so much as follow up by the lamestream media. i mean, the dems should be pushing back.
The GOP knows they can get away with it because (1) most reporters have also forgotten third-grade math, and similarly can’t comprehend this concept; and (2) everyone knows that it’s not the place of the media to call out an entire political party for a flat-out distortion. In this day and age, the best we could hope for would be a story along the lines of, “Dems claim GOP misrepresents federal spending figures,” leaving it for their readers/viewers to decide for themselves which side might be right. After all, it would be un-American to have an elitist media forcing those “liberal opinions” down peoples’ throats!
It’s getting harder and harder to muster up a sarcastic attitude amongst all this insanity.
wonder what those republican and media people were doing with their hooky time when we were practing converting fractions to per cents.
In third grade, the GOP were the little twerp who wouldn’t give the ball back.
Nope. They were homeschooled to prevent them from coming into contact with pernicious, anti-Christian secular humanist ideologies such as reality.
Yeah, TheMaven, with that sourchasm opening up, all around, even sweet reason has been tongue-tied.
DW
They likely quite book “learnin” after the 2nd grade. “Cyhperin” was hard enough let alone history and civics.
Wake me up when it hits 40%. Then set taxes wherever they have to be to balance the budget at that level. Start with estate taxes of 90% over $10 million.
personally, i find david frum’s statement assuming usg debt is a “burden” more than irritating:
(O/T?) Y’know,as I reflect, perspective is necessary. In the bigger picture, I guess I should be grateful that the flammable natural gas coming out of my kitchen tap in the wake of fracking will emit 1/3 fewer greenhouse gases. /s
Now that has the potential of becoming conventional wisdom, just like having to accept long term high unemployment as the new normal.
Alas it’s Obama who resurrected this zombie vampire corpse which had already shot itself in the head and driven a stake through its own heart.
The republican brand post-bush should have/could have been instant rotted moldy forgotten landfill toast. Yet here we are. Alan Simpson will still decide my world. This is in fact what Barry’s fighting for.
Un. the fuck. believable.
Poke a whole in your back yard: instant fire feature. Increases home price. …. Or not.
“hole” of course. so sad about the demise of edit.
That explains why they hate education so much.
I’m more surprised that Frum has that much connection to reality and good sense.
I’m hoping the party splits. We can have the liberal half, and the ‘centrists’ can have what’s left. They can call it the ‘third way’ party, or whatever they want – as long as it doesn’t imply in any way that it’s liberal or progressive, or use the word ‘democratic’ in its name. Because they aren’t any of those, they’re what’s left of the left wing of the Rs.
this is a very informative and an entertaining post.
the central issue for me, however, is not lying, fact manipulating, republicans.
the issue, as paul krugman recently pointed out, is newspapers and teevee shows that will not, ever, hold republican math or republican assertions to normal intellectual standards of accurate/inaccuate, manipulative or informative.
the republican parrty acts as it does because it can do do with impunity.
the republican party of today are a bunch of fratboys and fratgirls who are continuing a thirty-year (1980) republican frat-party drunk.
as with the universities, the corporate media declare they will not operate in loco parentis.
and so the republican intellectual travesty continues on – to today, when a debt ceiling is confounded, unchallenged, with the national debt,
and public debt is represented, unchallenged, as equivalent to private, household debt.
yes.
insightful, and in my view, right on target.
i agree 100% with your points and politics.
i do have a nit to pick with your math prowess since that is where you started.
‘He then shows that the remaining increase in the numerator is due almost entirely to reduced revenues and higher safety net spending caused by the recession, plus temporary stimulus spending, also necessitated by the recession, that’s now phasing out.’
wrong. ‘reduced revenues’ do not affect the numerator. numerator contains no revenues only expenses, just as a matter of what the math actually means, fwiw. govt revenues might be in the denominator but surely not in the numerator.
LATE to the thread but let me correct something please
Bottom line. No permanent increase in the size of government. It’s the recession, not due to Obama. And Republicans either don’t know third grade math or they’re just lying.
excuse me, obama owns this depression, he caused it by his lack of action, he caused it by giving our money to the wealthiest people on the planet, he caused it by extending the right’s redistribution of middle class assets scheme marketed as “bush tax cuts” which happen to be obama’s not bush’s
and he caused it by giving money to the wealthy making believe that would create jobs when he simply needed to spend that same money on, you know, jobs
and he caused it by giving money to banks who lost the money, and asking them to lend it when he should have taken the money and used it to, you know, lend
obama owns this depression, it’s his
The new Tea-GOP meme. It’s so obnoxious. They conveniently forgot that Bush crashed the economy and doubled the debt while in office. The problem is The Great Enabler believes this fairytale and more. So we now have a choice between a radical far right-wing, and a hard right-wing solution.
Hear! Hear!
Need to be repeated and repeated and repeated. Thanks, perris.
You clearly demonstrate how the decisions keep funneling government money to the wealthy rather than spending the SAME money to address our problems
End result? The rich get richer. The government has less money OF OUR MONEY to use for OUR BENEFIT.
The problems get WORSE!
And they still won’t raise taxes. How about just clawing back what we gave away??? Oh, no, that would create instability and disincentive.
Disastrous.
Maybe BOTH the right and the left will splinter!
Tea-GOP
Old-GOP
Corporatist Dems
Blue Dog Dems?
True Dems (that would be us …)
Fun Times!!