Bill McKibben, head of 350.0rg and a principal organizer for the White House demonstrations against the Tar Sands extraction and Keystone XL pipeline, was interviewd Tuesday night by KO on Countdown. McKibben’s quietly understated message to the President was direct, personal and moving, and equally important, evolving:
It’s going to be gut-check time for the President.
When he ran for President . . . the night he was nominated, in fact, he said, “you know what? When I’m President , the rise of the oceans will begin to slow, and the planet will begin to heal.” That’s powerful talk.
He hasn’t yet done heroic things on the environment. He’s done some good things around the edges, but nothing transformative. And he’s backed down on some important fights.
This time, he can’t blame it on Congress; he doesn’t have to ask Jim Inhoff for permission; he doesn’t need any help from the Congress. He can turn down this permit himself. And if he does — and here I think is the political calculation — if he does it will send a surge of excitement through that base.
We were sitting, lying on the metal shelves in what’s called the central cell block in the Washington jail the other day, and people were saying, “you know, the last time I was this uncomfortable, I was lying in a church basement getting ready to go knock on doors for Barack Obama.” I sure hope I get reminded of why I was doing all of that.”
When Jane Hamsher asked me if I wanted to join her at a White House demonstration led by McKibben that would also include Dan Choi, I said “sure,” not yet realizing I would spend two days in the cell directly across from Bill and down the cell block corridor from Dan.
And Bill is right that the cells and bunks were uncomfortable. But we kept telling each other this isn’t anything compared to what the planet and its people face if we don’t stop the madness of releasing one of the world’s largest concentrations of carbon, stripping the forests, threatening the aquifers, and then burning the fuel. How could we ever explain such shameful and reckless selfishness to the next generations?
But what Bill and the organizers did was to make sure that several generations understood all at once. I’m 67 but was far from the oldest and clearly not the veteran of this kind of war. Two cells down, 18 year old Lucas, who had just graduated from high school, was right there, and so were a dozen or more kids still in or just out of college or that age. We had two ministers — one older, one newly ordained – teachers, inventors, architects, former government advisers and more . . . just regular Americans. They all understood far more than I.
One of many favorites is Tom Weis, 45, who’s planning to ride his part electric three wheeler all the way from Canada to Texas, staring in October. He’ll be biking the pipeline route and stopping to interview folks whose lands and water supplies risk destruction from leaks and pipeline failures. Tom is planning to cross-post his experiences here at FDL, so check out his video and watch for “Renewable Rider.” If you can help in his effort, follow the links.
The woman in the first 65 arrestees blew me away when they were arrested. (Many great pictures here.) We watched as the Park Police and SWAT guys handcuffed each of the women first, starting with a young women who stood up bravely, looked at us and held it together as burly men placed handcuffs on her for the first of what would be three or four times. I will never forget that look, nor the next from a woman probably older than I. Proud, defiant, brave, she was. Unbeatable. Hell, we all thought, look at that! What are we worried about? And so it went, one after another. Out of the way, guys, the ladies have got this.
And so it went. Jane’s posts provided great commentary on the conditions in the women’s cells at the first holding center — it was the same for the men, with 15 of us in our 6X8 foot cells. The paddy wagons tanking us to the main jail became dangerous heat traps when we were left inside to wait for . . . what?
Others have posted on the conditions at the main jails to which we were transferred late Saturday night and remained until Monday morning before donning ankle shackles to be led to another large holding cell before release some 10 yours later. I don’t have much to add except those were without doubt the most inedible not-really-cheese sandwiches in the history of food, but the only alternative was the almost equally undigestible baloney.
Inside the main jail, once it was clear we were to spend an exceptionally uncomfortable weekend courtesy of the DC Park Police, Bill McKibben had the difficult task of helping others keep the faith — since the original expectation was we’d be released on Saturday — so people needed to keep faith in the plan, the goal, and in themselves. The mix of generations proved useful, here, and everyone hung in there, telling jokes, exchanging stories, quoting famous sayings, controlling the doubts and most of all, passing the time.
Like all of us, Bill is moving, learning from this event. He’s telling his President there’s a promise to keep, a threat to be stopped, an alternative future to be built. And people who worked for Obama are now prepared to hold him accountable. I don’t think this President is listening, yet, not sure he can or cares. But McKibben and followers aren’t done. They’re just starting. And there are now 65 more people from last weekend, and by today, another 200 or more who are ready to do it again and again, and more. Because it doesn’t have to be this way, and it’s not okay for our government not to care about the only home planet we have.
John Chandley
Update: Schedule of events and places/churches where the training is held nightly: TarsandsAction.org If your in the area and want to the sights, come!



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Hooray, Scarecrow!!!
I’m really glad to hear the final part of your post concerning the evolution of Bill McKibben. I know he’s been at this for some time, but it seems like he is finally seeing what he is up against.
And for someone of his stature to lay it on the line and have Barry show his true colors, this is definitely going to wake some people up. Not too tough to marginalize/dismiss ‘anarchists’ at a G-20 meeting; a lot tougher to do to McKibben. In fact, McKibben has a lot of the qualities that many see in Barry: reasonablness, seriousness, practicality. I’m sure Barry has the best PR minds in the Anglo-Saxon world working on this one, but it’s going to be hard to spin!
My guess: If the pressure keeps up, Barry puts on his environmental superman costume and makes a big show throughout the fall. Somehow, though, the deal goes through come Novemeber! There was just nothing Barry could do, it was out of his hands!
But great job, Scarecow! Hopefully this is the beginning of the beginning -
I hate to rain on your parade, but the “wind and the sun” as McKibben puts it –turbines and solar panels — can’t replace fossil fuels.
Your opinion, not any fact.
Ignorant jackasses once said man can’t fly. Have you flown lately or don’t you believe planes can fly, still.
This and fracking are destroying , not selling off our home. ENOUGH.
Thank you for taking a stand Crow. The two night stay from the brilliant one didn’t burn the movement up rather Vulcanized the movement beyond his control.
Scarecrow,
Thank you.
Bill McKibbon,
Thank you.
Keith O, thank you for giving this vital issue some national attention.
Scarecrow, might I make a suggestion.
Lots of colleges have and will be starting back over the next few weeks. It would be so neat to organize a live broadcast of Dr. Bill McKibbon and Dr. James Hanson giving a presentation about the tar sands. If a small video could be produced with interview of protestors telling “why” they are protesting that could be broadcast at the end of the live presentation, it would be fantastic. If there was a way for students to email their questions for the live chat, even better.
I know my son would organize getting a space and projection system in order to show the live broadcast/webcast on his campus.
I imagine all the Sojourner supporting churches are involved?
Bless You Scarecrow !
our family is grateful to you and all those good people on that wall for giving us a voice in this fight
“you know, the last time I was this uncomfortable, I was lying in a church basement getting ready to go knock on doors for Barack Obama.”
Thank you, Scarecrow, Bill McKibben and KO, and others, for taking such an important stand, and not backing down.
I hate to rain on your parade, but you might be interested to know that the oil supply is finite. That means it will run out.
Any celebs going to get arrested?
DeCaprio, Pitt, Laurie David, Zhou Xun, Sheryl Crow, Selma Hayak, Keanu Reeves, Begley…?
Great idea.
I don’t have that list. There are more coming this week and through the weekend.
Schedule of events and places/churches where the training for each night happens:
http://www.tarsandsaction.org/schedule/
x2.
As someone already mentioned, “Crow,” it was a damn fine mug shot. lol.
Thanks 4 “walking point.”
Bravo Zulu.
As someone already mentioned in a previous thread, “Crow,” it was a damn fine mug shot. lol.
Thanks 4 “walking point.”
Bravo Zulu.
Thank you all, and Bill McKibben, for this well planned ongoing demonstration. The references to campaign sacrifices are totally appropriate and will resonate with all those who gave everything they could give to the election of Obama, thinking this would bring the change we all so desperately want, in all areas of governance.
And this critical area, for which so many have spoken out to deaf ears, is so basic that it calls to everyone with a conscience. I read on commondreams.org a piece by one of the activists, Carol Smith, about the Sandhill sanctuary – I had not put it together that there is where sandhill cranes get their name. Those beautiful birds fly over my house spring and fall in glorious migratory patterns following the Rio Grande and giving their gentle call to one another as they bank and wheel up thermals to cross the mountains. Even though that pipeline is not coming anywhere near me, those birds do and not to see and hear them marking the seasons, as will happen if their homes are desecrated, that is a horror I cannot contemplate. To even imagine any sort of construction happening in such a fragile ecosystem is totally mindboggling. It won’t just destroy what is down below, the aquifer, but it will destroy what is above, a part of our heritage we won’t miss until it is gone forever.
Thank you, fabulous four, from the bottom of my heart. You are our celebrities.
THANK YOU SCARECROW!!!!
Sure it can. The main hangup right now is cost-effective storage, and that’s being solved even as I type this. (And this is even assuming the US doesn’t get truly serious about energy efficiency — such as the huge amounts of power wasted by your cable box.)
We could turn rooftops, parking lots (www.SolarRoadways.com), bike paths (Google “SolaRoad bike path” and roads into energy storage and generation sites, especially as the price of conventional solar panels has now dropped to the magic $1/watt price point, which is the same as coal by the way and without the carbon pollution.
Only the profoundly ignorant believe that wind and solar can replace fossil fuels, at this time or any time in the near future. The reason is wind can’t be stored, and in many places the wind doesn’t blow hard enough to be useful at all, even as a complement to fossil fuels.
Yes, but wind and solar can’t replace it. Not now, anyway, and probably not ever, but who’s to say for the distant future.
Solar can be on every roof and a transportation grid would not be needed nor would we have to cover the dessert with panels. The problem is, there is not enough profit to be had. Our country is governed, not by possibilities and opportunities, but by greed.
I use a stunt double for my mug shots.
Some cool pictures of scene of the crimes.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarsandsaction/
So Very, Very Proud!
If the Gods allow it, I’ll take snow in SC for August!
Update: per @TarSandsAction – another 65 arrested today – all released
may I ?
I keep wondering if Al Gore is on that list – full disclosure: his showing up and getting arrested is about the only thing he can do to make up for his murderous silence while BP poisoned the Gulf
and where in the hell is Mr Van Jones
they had better show up – jes sayin’
woo hoo !!!
per @billmckibben — Huge News !
Nation’s Largest Environmental Organizations Stand Together To Oppose Oil Pipeline
“Washington, DC — The heads of the nation’s largest environmental organizations—often at odds on the best strategy for combating climate change—released a letter today calling on President Obama to block the Keystone XL oil pipeline, which would span from the tar sands of Alberta to the Gulf of Mexico”
http://www.tarsandsaction.org/nations-largest-environmental-organizations-stand-together-to-oppose-oil-pipeline/
Scarecrow, I have been “looking forward” to your “report”.
Thank you.
For all that you do, for the connections you provide us, for the example you set before us, and for the courage and steadfast convictions which your manifest, moment by moment.
Namaste
DW
You know, cbl, Al Gore has a moral obligation to show up.
An obligation his own words now … and alway demand of him.
Perhaps he finds that fact an inconvenient truth?
Al remember, you don’t have to worry that your chances to be President will be impacted, as you apparently “believed”, long ago,or just a moment ago, as it sometimes seems, in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Now is the time for courage. (As it was then … although then, it was only a little …)
DW
No need to thank me. It was an honor just to be there and watch these other people.
McKibben is soooo naive.
Thanks to all who have the way and the means to get to the tar sands action and the integrity and fortitude to protest there. I am with you in spirit. (Dang, Scarecrow, you don’t look 67!)
When I get cynical (often) I try to think of people like all of you, Scarecrow, and remember that there are really special humans who do extraordinary things for the rest of us. Thanks for Jane and all the Firebaggers who keep the faith.
Well done folks..
Tune into so called progressive radio Harthman,Shultz,Rhodes & tune into Corporate progressive TV Maddow,Olberman etc,etc.and all you keep hearing is the GOP are trying to pass legislation permitting drilling everywhere,trying to take away womens right,trying to extend tax cuts for the wealthy etc,etc.
And yet with a so called Democratic Prez & Dem majority in the Senate the GOP is getting anything they want.
For chrissakes! what else has to happen for people to see the DEM party is willfully helping the GOP to eff over us ordinary people.
The Dem party stopped representing ordinary Americans a long time ago folks,the members who occupy Congressional seats are almost all super wealthy.stop fooling yourselves they don’t care about us poor folks for chrissakes! stop getting duped.
the way and the means
Probably quite a peddle.
(((sCARECROW)))
I’ve been admiring your work since the old early morning posts back with Jane and Christy.
I am damn proud of the action you took on our behalf.
Thanks.
Scarecrow v. Tarminator
Would make a good Michael Moore documentary.
McKibben came across as calm, logical, and factually precise. The other side is screaming “drill baby drill!” and has lots of money to put out disinformation. I’m afraid this White House has given up on logic because they are afraid of the screamers.
Thanks be to God! Hooray for you Scarecrow!
Enjoyed the picture. Could hardly wait for your initial report, knowing full well there will be more to come. Thanks for your commitment to be there to bear witness and give your testimony.
At my church the folks who attend the Forum Sunday morning meetings just recently completed a 7-8 session preliminary study prepared by the social justice bureaucrats of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America on the criminal justice system. I learned a great deal about many aspects of that pathetic, devastating reality from the multiple perspectives of the cops on the beat to the judges hearing the trials, the arrested wrong-doers and system victims, the parole officers, juvenile offenders, the crime victims, and the huge problems experienced by all those facing post-incarceration difficulties. The bottom line, we concluded, was the almost total absence of any sense, much less substantive commitment to restorative justice because of America’s insane obsession with punishment. (E.g. Gov Perry as king of the executioners, not mentioned in the study materials.)
I rejoice that the faith community has stepped up to provide training space for the action; I’m anxious to check out the list of providers. Some of us here are studying theological and “secular” “church training” materials prepared by Progressive Christians Uniting to make us aware of the evils of empire and corporate control of the political processes, etc. and how we can renew and deepen our faith commitments to empower us to stand against the powers-that-be. I’m sharing the DC action reports with our group to remind us that civil disobedience and non-violent protest actions are a very viable way for us to stand against those powers. The historical record, I am told, says that such actions are indeed more-than-marginally effective, while also affirming the reality that such actions alone do not insure total success.
I was moved by your reporting that Bill “pastored” his flock to empower them away from despair over the betrayed promises of ‘fine and release’ and the discomfort of the all-too-full small cells. We all need to be able to perform that ministry for one another who are working against the powers-that-be-and seeking ways to fulfill visions of creating restorative justice.
Thanks for saying some months ago that the door to reform/change has now become the streets. Your personal action on the DC street gives me courage to do the same, altho I’d prefer not to go to jail and God knows I have no money for bail.
Bless you, Scarecrow, and blessings to Jane and Dan and Bill and the incredible ladies (bless you especially for that testimony) and the young and old of many backgrounds and vocations among the hundreds, if not thousands who are continuing the cause in support of the initial actions. Each will have their own testimonies to inspire folks in their worlds. Wow, what a great idea to create communications vehicles to use on campuses across the country. But I would add churches too, like maybe some of those Forum programs in mainline churches across America.
And blessings to the FDL community,
The Obama track record in keeping his campaign promises and following through on rhetoric in speeches since elected is so dismal that I haven’t had much hope this sit-in will make a dent in him. Also the possibility that the stepped up harassment of protesters by the park police may have been under orders from the WH dims hopes even further. But something Bill McKibben said in this interview about this being one case in which Obama has a chance to be able to lay claim to being a transformational president, since he can do this all on his own, reignited for me a glimmer of hope. O’s falling approval ratings and increasingly bad electoral prospects may make him look around for a bold gesture to turn the situation around. I gather Bill was a major Obama backer during the election and is widely admired by many who remain Obama loyalists, as well as many who have left the ranks. Refusing to allow the pipeline might win O many of these voters.
I thank all who stand for truth, for justice, and for reason, putting themselves, their skin, on the line, Scarecrow, for it is that mutual appreciation, which you, McKibben, Jane, and all who daily meet and share here, embody … which builds that community of common interest and genuine courage, making manifest within themselves and each other that which becomes the moment, honoring all life, and the right of being fully alive… which becomes now, becomes today, becomes tomorrow …
All that human beings ever really have or “get” to “spend” is time … those of conscience who spend it, wisely and well, have, always, my respect, my appreciation and my very small, thanks.
Of course it would only be a gesture and O would undoubtedly go back to his nefarious ways, but this particular issue is so desperate, as Bill indicated, that even if O stops the pipeline in a cynical political calculation, it’s well worth it.
Good-cop kabuki role by Sierra Club, which will sell-out/go silent when Zero approves the project?
Good descriptions. But there’s more boiling inside.
“Dare to do things worthy of imprisonment if you mean to be of consequence”.-Juvenal
because
“It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen.”— Aristotle
Thanks for standing up for those who can not.
cal222 is seriously wrong. First consider what oil and gas costs us now, pollution, wars, greed. There is no advantage to using oil/gas. Period. Secondly, we put men on the moon in a project hugely more difficult that putting together a project to wean us from oil. The biggest hurdle to overcome is the hold big money has on congress and the presidency. Germany is well on its way to overcoming the hurdles preventing its independence from oil, we can’t do it? Please. Thirdly technology is leapfrogging the technical hurdles preventing independence from the oil pigs (kochsuckers et al.) Thirdly the technologies are fairly simple and as advances are made they can easily be replaced, ie, corn based ethanol to switch based ethanol. An additional benefit is that the technologies can be used locally, providing millions of jobs and separating us from the monopolies of the oil companies/oil countries. It is past time to move ahead, only stupidity (and corruption) will prevent us from accomplishing the task of getting off oil.
How does this become justification for depleting fossil fuels even faster?
I do not think anyone is confused about the points you make. That’s the disillusionment everyone is suffering and trying to face/sort out/find a way ahead.
That is soooo not helpful. Much has been accomplished by true believers, even if naive. And we all know you are soooo cynical, iirc.
I’m curious as to how Faux News is spinning this. DFH lefty protesters arrested by the most liberal president that ever existed. They really have no sense of irony.
There were dinosaurs at The Lake in those days; also Aztecs and even OK-Lahomans!
If there was a large enough national grid of wind turbines covering thousands of square miles – and there are plenty of available sites in the sparsely populated west – if the wind wasn’t blowing in one area, the areas where it was blowing could take up the slack. The only problem with wind is that siting decisions have been left up to energy companies and their decisions have been based on shortsided efforts at money grabbing. In upstate NY where I live, the companies targeted very rural towns, not because the land there was suitable for giant industrial wind complexes, but because their town gov’ts are weak and unsophisticated. The companies tried to bully these gov’ts but we managed to push back enough to make them give up and go away. Now, sadly, we are trying to face off gas fracking companies who are targeting the same rural towns as the wind cos did. And Democratic Governor Cuomo is pulling an Obama and trying to ram gas fracking on unwilling communities, in the process undermining home rule, since many of these towns have passed local laws banning fracking. We’ll see.
There is no need for solar and wind facilities to be sited in ecologically sensitive regions. There’s plenty of room in this country; if we were serious about this we would not leave it to a haphazard piecemeal approach as happens when it’s left up to greedheads in the energy industry. We would do what was done in the early 20th century to create a telephone and wireless system: have the federal government in there coordinating everything for the good of the public as a whole.
Damn fine stunt double.
How about a few facts and figures instead of blowhard assertions.
“Kochsuckers”! Brilliant!
You are both correct, Al Gore and Van Jones do need to show up.
He’s not naive, he’s the exact opposite. His eyes still open wide and stay wide, he hasn’t lost his childhood’s wonder, he doesn’t shut everything out. He’s also one of the very few brilliant essayists who isn’t a woman.
I have a question which I’ve asked repeatedly because I want to know what I’m talking about: Could the president have ordered that you all not be arrested, or just not jailed? I’m wondering about his personal responsibility in this matter of the park police and their policies and actions. Thanks.
Maybe you should tell that to Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany
http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/solar-information/germany-your-unlikely-world-leader-in-solar-power/
http://www.solarchoice.net.au/blog/solar-power-update-from-germany/
etc
My reaction exactly, RevBev. Thanks.
Good question. I’d like to know also. I suspect the Park Police are too far down in the weeds for the President’s personal involvement. He could have stopped enforcement of DADT on his first day in office, but he didn’t do that, either.
This reminds me of the Freedom Rides, when waves of individuals came to fill the jails again and again.
Obama and his “administration” should hang their collective heads in shame.
Fitting that this week should be the dedication of the MLK monument. I’m betting he’s not proud of Obama either.
My understanding is the Park Police are under D.C. jurisdiction — more like local than fed. So, I think the answer is no. However, if the man had sent out a message he’d stop the project, they wouldn’t need to arrest anyone for sitting on a public sidewalk 50 feet wide without blocking anyone.
Thanks, Scarecrow! For the reply – and the jailtime!
Once storage and transport (transmission lines) issues are resolved Wind and solar will replace fossil.
Indeed battery research is finally occurring after years of car industry and government resistance.
The average power striking the ground from the sun is around one kilowatt per square meter. That’s more than enough energy to power our needs far into the future.
Presently available solar panel technology is slightly above 20% efficient. This is improving rapidly and dramatically. Research panels now hit 30% efficiency. And costs have been dropping. It now cost less to make the solar panels than it does to outfit the rest of the system (regulators, batteries, etc)
But it goes beyond solar panels. Simple geothermal systems can DRASTICALLY reduce the amount of energy we need for heating and cooling. By simple, I mean a few holes dug into the ground with tubing running down into them and an affordable heat exchanger.
Investments in public transportation could turn around our gasoline use in a few short years.
Wind is already cheaper than natural gas in a number of areas.
What you write is an obsolete mantra. The technology to do it exists now or is very close. What’s missing is political will.
You’re right on the money, Phoenix Woman. And by that I mean you’re right…on the money. A dollar a watt.
When you add present day storage and control, costs are currently at about $3.40/watt. But battery research is moving fast. Capacitive storage shows HUGE promise.
And there is the potential for very innovative solutions based on what’s in people houses right now. A truly smart power grid could let people put their cordless tools and appliances online and crowd source huge battery storage capability.
Truly innovative programs could subsidize one of the major cost impediments for hybrid and electric cars – the batteries – if people allowed them to become part of the power grid. And building such a system would make orders of magnitude more jobs than the few thousand this pipeline would create Everybody wins.
All we lack is vision in the halls of power.
I went though all of the pictures. Outstanding! Thank you everybody for participating in this demonstration.