Whenever we have debates about whether to approve more oil drilling, or more coal mountain-top removal, or another coal plant, the arguments always come down to jobs. The advocates of the project tell us how many jobs will be involved in the construction or extraction processes or operating the plants. And the opponents are left to argue over whether the jobs numbers are exaggerated, or whether they’re only temporary instead of permanent, or comparative macroeconomic effects.
So it’s not surprising that the advocates of the Keystone XL Pipeline and related tar sands oil development have bussed in lots of supposed pipeline construction and oil workers to argue at the State Department hearings on the Environmental Impact Statement for why the project should go forward and why it’s in America’s national interest. It will create jobs and allow us to use less oil from bad places
Opponents sometimes find these arguments difficult to counter; you don’t want to argue against someone’s job. Both sides then offer expert studies on how many jobs would be created by the proposed activities. These efforts are fine and worth doing, I suppose, but I think they miss the broader picture.
We have an economy whose annual GDP is about $15 trillion. We use enormous amounts of energy, of all types, probably more than any other nation. In an economy as large as ours that relies on energy as much as ours, there will always be a large number of jobs that depend on the industries that provide that energy.
So of course, any large fossil energy source, whether it’s coal or oil or natural gas, will employ lots of people. Large projects to extract, refine, transport and market those carbon fossil products will each provide many jobs.
But exactly the same is true of renewable energy industries like solar, wind, geothermal and even more so for energy efficiency endeavors. There are plenty of studies showing that if we directed more of the nation’s wealth towards solar and wind and energy efficiency efforts, those too would create and sustain large numbers of jobs. And doing the right thing is a terrific investment.
When you generate electricity from wind or solar power, you need to generate less electricity from coal or natural gas. You need less coal and less gas to be extracted and transported. And making our homes and offices more energy efficient takes lots of labor, but the resulting efficiency improvements also mean using less energy generated from coal and natural gas. All of these “alternative energy” efforts create and require hundreds of thousands of jobs. And those jobs are growing and growing fast.
So the question has never been whether we should extract more carbon from oil or coal or gas to provide jobs, because providing enough energy for this country will always provide lots of jobs. Always.
The jobs question is, and always has been, whether we want those jobs building safer, cleaner, renewable energy technologies and efficiency improvements, or we want only jobs extracting, refining and burning dirtier, harmful, carbon-based energy sources.
We’re going to have plenty of energy jobs — hundreds of thousands of them — either way. It just depends on where we focus our money and efforts and what we want the consequences of our choices to be. But one way, the smart way, we get clean, renewable sources that don’t destroy the environment or the health of our children and elderly, and they rescue the planet from catastrophic global climate change . . . and the other way we get environmentally destructive extraction, unsafe industries, unhealthy communities with huge health care costs and a heated up, endangered planet.
The comparative job numbers are interesting, but you don’t really need them to decide the smart thing to do. It’s a fairly simple, no-brainer of a choice, once you understand what the real choice is all about.




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“The jobs question is, and always has been, whether we want … only jobs extracting, refining and burning dirtier, harmful, carbon-based energy sources.”
And, of course, jobs cleaning up after them. The Great Gulf Oil Spill, of course, created lots and lots of jobs.
I agree 100%. There should be many sources of energy in this country. The problems as I see them begin with Greed, then move to Monopoly, and to keep that position it buys Congress and the Military.
Big Oil, Big Gas and Big Coal have pretty much exploited every country on this earth. They are now in a race for the Artic. I think that this country has been polarized over Green engery due to the push back from Global Warming/Climate Change. It is far past time to change that vernacular and pose it in a way that no longer looks like a threat to anyone.
Americans should have a choice. You plainly stated the choices above. Just get the word out and push back from the right wing rhetoric. Oh, God forbid we cause Big Oil to think somebody might encroach on their profit margins!
Folks where is the so called progressive Chairman of the Senate
environment committee,Barbara Boxer on this ?
It continues to baffle me yr after yr how Boxer manages to keep getting progressive orgs tout her as friend of progressives & even worst do her bidding at election time.Is there any wonder why we are in deep do-do.
Three Scarecrow posts in a day!
My cup runneth over.
This is a most superb post, Scarecrow. One hopes that it might find the largest audience possible. What you have shared, here, needs to be heard and understood by many, for it describes a sane and humane pathway to a sustainable and equitable future. Even seven generations hence.
DW
DW
Oil & gas extraction employs 177,000 and coal mining 87,000 out of total payroll employment of 131 MILLION, or 0.2%. Add another 110,000 for the manufacturing end, and you’re up to 0.3%.
WOW, just wow.
Pataki tried to pull this shit when he was NYS gov. Wanted to put a cement processing plant near Olana in Hudson, NY, one of the most scenic spots on the Hudson River. http://www.olana.org/
He propagandized it as a jobs project, but when opposition got going they found that the NYS est of ongoing jobs at the site would have been 132-that’s right, no commas or zeros to be added. Then it further turned out that most of those jobs would be moved from a plant on the other side of the Hudson, so the net gain was even smaller. Locals successfully opposed it, mostly on environmental grounds.
Given my prior comment, I hope no one will object if I characterize it as: Oil, gas, coal industries don’t employ anyone. Pipeline construction would employ a fair number while it’s going on, by those jobs would end once the pipeline was completed.
And, if the pipeline were owned by such as the Koch brothers, eCAHN, it would not be properly maintained … leading to leaks or explosions.
If history may be any quide, then “Integrity and Compliance” are the most empty of words …
DW
GOP creating bad economic conditions, being a rock in the road to knock down all regulations and put shit in the environment. Bad economy–temporary–ruined ecosystems–forever. Really hate the manipulations. Make the b@stards pay even when they are long gone and out of office.
The Keystone XL pipeline will deliver oil to refineries in Port Arthur Texas that sit in international tax-exempt zones. The oil will be exported and sold to Latin American and European countries. So somebody is going to have to tell me how this benefits our national energy needs….excuse me, national energy security needs, have to get that word “security” in there for intimidation effect.
We will risk our largest aquifer in the country, farmlands, our rivers, and our atmosphere, and in exchange for those risks we get no taxes paid. The planet is trashed further, and a handful of temporary construction jobs are created. Who wins ? The shareholders of Valero Energy, and primarily the executives of a small group of oil refiners. What a fucking joke that this thing is even being debated.
“The shareholders of Valero Energy”
That would be Chavez of Venezuela? Correct?
I’ve read some about the xl pipeline, but I have yet to seey how it really benefits us. I think that there is more than a risk to our Ogalalla aquifer and the farmland and everything you point out. I can say that there is a certainty that it will leak and the leak will be small enough that the alarms will not register it or it will be a catastrophic failure. Either way much of our country will turn into a waste land, but who could have predicted.
I looked up valero, but I didn’t see Hugo Chavez or Venezuela involved. If he is, it would be funny that the dos would sell out to support him.
And what is with the “job-killing” regulations? Regulations generate jobs. First let me say that the regulations wouldn’t exist if not for agreement in congress–they create the regulations responding to constituent demand.
Regulatory compliance is complex, requiring technical skills, education, usually an advanced degree. Then there is the agency regulator–another job. For most environmental regulation (my field) there is usually a mitigation or work-around that compensates for the impacts of the action. The mitigation often requires other expertise and professionals–try designing a working wetland without!
So; regulations respond to the public’s will, are enacted by representative government (congress) and employ many highly skilled and educated workers. The secondary or multiplier effect is also there: educators, suppliers, clerks, accountants, managers, sales people….all these jobs provided by “job-killing regulation!”
So WTF on the “job-killing?”
If the financial sector had been better regulated, how many of us would still have jobs?
… calmly, calmly. They are killing jobs as fast as they can. Be patient…
The difference is that it isn’t pre-ordained where the fortunes to be made from renewable energy will end up, so there’s a much smaller incentive for anyone specific with the wherewithal to steer the process to do so to direct development in those directions. It’s kind of analogous to basic research that way- the potential is enormous but it’s hard to predict where who the benefits will end up enriching.
Are you predicting that fortunes will be made by the 99% and not by the 1% with the keystone xl? Everyone will participate in the riches? Perhaps the clean up working people will make fortunes?
That seems to be almost entirely unlike what Kurt Sperry implied…
Bingo! You are a winner, lol ;).
Yes and lots of deaths from what I understand because BP wouldn’t allow the PR problem of letting the workers don protective gear.
I heard of a guy who died coughing up blood and many others who died less dramatically. People are still getting respiratory problems down there
I think it was her historic challenge to the stolen election of Bush in ’04. Remember Ken Blackwell and Diebold?
So, Bush stole it twice while we sat around with our fingers up our noses ( as usual) and Boxer was the only senator who stood with the House saying the election wasn’t legitimate.
I can still remember the snarl on Cheney’s face.
Of course,. ti didn’t make the NOOZ, so you probably missed it. I watched on CSPAN