There are two seemingly disconnected stories about religious zealotry swirling around today, both involving Rick Santorum et ilk. But there is a deep connection, and together they are putting people’s lives at risk, as they have throughout the ages.
The lead story is GOP religious zealot Rick Santorum’s poor understanding, if not willful misrepresentaton, of the U.S. Constitution. Santorum seems convinced that the path to the Presidency runs over the Constitution’s First Amendment warning against the establishment of religion.
Like many self-righteous zealots, Mr. Santorum often quotes the First Amendment’s stricture that Congress shall make no law limiting the free exercise of religion. But I’ve yet to hear him mention or explain the equally essential previous “establishment clause.” That clause prohibits the state from establishing a religion and thus prevents any religious faith, via its believers or its established church, from using the state to impose and enforce their beliefs on others.
That latter prohibition is sometimes referred to as the doctrine of “separation of church and state,” and this story came about in reference to Senator John F. Kennedy’s promise, as a Presidential candidate in 1960, that he would honor that Constitutional doctrine, neither using the state to impose his religious views on everyone else nor allowing his Church to dictate how to govern as President.
So when Rick Santorum repeated his view that Kennedy’s promise to honor separation of church and state makes him want to throw up, he’s telling us that he wants to puke on a critical piece of the U.S. Constitution. And it’s not just any part; it’s the very first “freedom” mentioned in the Bill of Rights. It would be helpful if reporters like ABC’s Stephanoupulous would remind viewers that this is what the man is saying.
Santorum is, of course, only one of many who believe in the primacy of religious authority and who seem not to worry about having religious authority exercise some control over the state . . . as long as it’s his/their religion. It doesn’t seem to have penetrated his narrow philosophy that this might be problematic for his brand of Catholicism if the religious views being imposed on everyone were those of Mitt Romney’s sect, or the Unitarians, the United Methodist Church, even the Jesuits or Jews, or Christian Scientists, or Muslims.
But Santorum evades these troublesome questions by misrepresenting the issue, as he did on ABC:
“To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes you throw up. What kind of country do we live that says only people of non-faith can come into the public square and make their case?” Santorum said.
“That makes me throw up and it should make every American who is seen from the president, someone who is now trying to tell people of faith that you will do what the government says, we are going to impose our values on you, not that you can’t come to the public square and argue against it, but now we’re going to turn around and say we’re going to impose our values from the government on people of faith, which of course is the next logical step when people of faith, at least according to John Kennedy, have no role in the public square,” he said.
Of course, no one has ever suggested such nonsense. There is nothing in the Constitution or in the views of any prominent politician that even remotely suggests that people who have religious beliefs shouldn’t hold office or participate in the public discourse. Santorum is either lying or being disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
The Constitution’s wisdom is that true religious and political liberty depend first on guarding against the view that anyone’s personal religious beliefs, no matter how strongly held, justify using the power of the state to impose those religious beliefs on everyone else. When Santorum tells us this wisdom makes him want to throw up, he’s implying he’s fine with using the power of government to do just that, but of course he assumes only his belief system will be used in that manner.
The people of Afghanistan have a different belief system, but many of them, like Rick Santorum, are more than willing to remove any separation between church and state. Mere statements against a religious belief or icon, or any disrespect of the holy writ are not merely sins within the religious sphere; they require punishment sanctioned though the power of the state, even to the point of killing the offender. In this framework, it then follows that any defiling of your sacred books warrants death, either officially or implicitly sanctioned by the state.
Lest anyone think such views are somehow unique to some “primitive society,” try wading through the hate-filled comments at right wing sites reacting to today’s stories from Afghanistan.
The tragic killing and wounding of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan in response to the Koran burning shows us why the first phrase in the Bill of Rights is at least as important as the clause about freedom of exercise. The tolerance and forbearance required by the establishment and exercise clauses require a separation of church and state to make sure religious zealots don’t use religious affronts as an excuse to kill each other and the rest of us, too.
So when Rick Santorum tells you this church/state separation concept makes him want to throw up, the American people should tell him to take it outside . . . and then get a good public education.



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I agree one hundred percent, Scarecrow, and thank you for this diary which covers the issue fully.
I will add that I think you were too kind to characterize Santorum’s statements as misrepresentations, lies, or disingenuousness. I read a small number of his comments and I conclude that he is skilled at twisting ideas, sentence by sentence, until he reaches a wholly false and thoroughly inflammatory conclusion. The Santorum quote in the center of your diary illustrates this well. Propaganada ministers of the future will surely study this man’s technique.
Romney’s famous religion speech in 2008 covered all of the bases, so I can take this part of the speech out to show that in his low-key way, Romney agrees with Santorum:
“But in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America – the religion of secularism. They are wrong.”
(http://www.thebostonchannel.com/politics/14789305/detail.html#ixzz1nXbmKr00)
He deftly converts the prohibition on governmental support of religion into something entirely imaginary.
The establishment clause simply is not rocket science.
The establishment clause simply is not rocket science:
Pray all you want. Don’t force me to join you.
Religions are evil and are the hellish refuge of the desperate and immoral. If there is a devil, it is his handywork. Our society would be better off without the need or desire for religion.
Each religion can see the devil in another’s religion. Why is that? Because, he is there. We just blind to him in your own.
Here is the speech done by the guy whose masterful, statesmanlike handling of the church-v-state issue makes Santorum want to throw up:
http://firedoglake.com/2012/02/26/sunday-late-night-jfk-makes-santorum-throw-up/
I don’t care how many girlfriends he had on the side, JFK still beat Santorum by a country mile, and Santorum’s not fit to tongue-polish JFK’s shoes.
What a circus. Republicans condemn condoms! Republicans praise children of rape as a gift from God. Republicans legislate forced trans-vaginal probes. Republicans hate women (and men) who want to plan their families. What’s next? Republicans mandate missionary-position only? I hate to admit it, but Newt was right. ‘Cause Newt and all his Republican friends SHOULD set up a moon colony…. AND GO THERE! Then, they could tell each other what to do, and how to live, and who to love…. while leaving the REST of us alone, in peace, here on Earth. Newt, I always KNEW that you were a problem-solver. Unfortunately, you and your Republican friends ARE the problem…
He is a religious zealot.
Zealots are rarely sane.
The establishment clause was settled law until the late 40′s and 50′s and 60′s when the effort to convert Freedom of Religion to Freedom from Religion began.
It is this change – which a majority feel is un-Constitutional and which the SCOTUS now says it was not really doing, that Santorum is addressing in his standard over-reaching/mis-stating way.
Church-State separation beyond not having a Federal level official church or laws that have that effect is not in the Constitution (indeed for many decades after the Constitution went into effect we still had official State level Church – as in the Episcopal Church in Virginia).
When I hear all this religious crap from the right, I can’t help but think of a line the late Christopher Hitchens liked to use…”Mr President, build up that wall”. What this country needs is less religion in our politics, not more.
Hey, Rick, American politics isn’t just about a fight between atheists and so-called Christians who think that they are being victimized if they can’t impose their narrow beliefs on all Americans.
There are Christians who understand what it is to be Christian.
And then there are still others. Take a look here and a href=”http://lslk.org/”>here, for example.
What is even more annoying than the absolute horseshit that is coming out of this clown’s mouth, is the fact that it is being held in front of our faces and echoed.
Because the back-stabber in the White House will not be primaried, ridiculous pap, instead of focus on legitimate REAL concerns, continues to reverberate every day, siphoning time and attention away from what’s really going on.
Come on people, this is FUCKING Sara Palin 2.0.
I appreciate your insight Scarecrow, but please don’t waste your incredible intellect on this shit.
Great post Scarecrow. This story almost made me puke this morning. How could any politician, so close to becoming a national candidate for President, espouse such ludicrous views. Its really horrible.
On the other hand, it is a beautiful morning in the nation’s Capital. What this city’s residents lack in personality it’s buildings, avenues and views more than make up for.
Speaking of Frothy…
http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2012-02-29colorlowres.jpg
Have to agree with hotdog here — a lot of talent going to waste on these morons, whose idiocy is so obvious and so repulsive to the vast majority.
Meanwhile, President Zero continues on his murderous, war-criminal, plundering, looting, banana-republican extrajudicially-executing, cowardly child-bombing way, unfettered by any challenge to his illegal dictates and bombing.
However, it has been noted that even he seems to want to lose, since he recently proposed lowering the corporate tax rate and can be counted on to do equally dumb and evil things between now and Nov., things that run totally counter to traditional “democratic party” values as he spends 24/7 looking for “republican” ass to kiss. I’m surprised he hasn’t yet offered up a “compromise” to appease poor widdle prick sanatorium and his moron followers, perhaps an executive order doing away with the establishment and exercise clauses.
The major reason we’re discussing religion in the race for the presidency is because Ayatollah Santorum, the GOP’s very own Christian jihadist for President, has interjected it into his campaign. Santorum is in dire need of CST (Constitution Sensitivity Training). He has demonstrated why education is so important. Is he related to Christine “I am not a witch!” O’Donnell?
Santorum is not a Christian.
Jesus commanded his followers to give away all their possessions and to leave their families.
American Christianity is the Victorian moral code – justified by a few hand-picked Bible verses.
Santorum’s god is a “welfare queen”. American “Christians” gladly accept government handouts from Bush/Obama’s Faith Base initiative and the charitable tax-deduction.
So let’s use the police power of the state to enforce the moral code, not found anywhere in the Bible, but advanced by a group of men that institutionalized child rape, developed a decades long cover-up and then blamed the victim (and the gays) when finally exposed.
Rick, where was your God when your church leaders were raping all those little boys?
Notice he doesn’t say barf, hurl or blow lunch it’s that arrested childhood vocabulary “throw up” , surprised he didn’t say upchuck .
So when Richard Santorum was growing up was he nicknamed ‘Dick” ? Did anyone mock the last name ? Was he an Alter boy ?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Rick would sooner lop off some heads of Protestants and others he despises, like was done in centuries past.
Bring back the Dark Ages?! I suppose all those religious wars were worth it?!?
If Rick doesn’t know history, England’s for example, then why does he think the English were leaving England? Quakers, and many other founders of this country left England to find freedom from persecution. Rick wants to re-impose persecution.
OMG. THis guy makes Admiral Stockdale look like a Rhodes Scholar. I don’t recall another genuine candidate for president that can compete with his idiocy. Is he stupid, misguided, or simply a religious fanatic? Undoubtedly he DOES appeal to the religious right wing which do make up a large percentage of the GOP these days. And, he is “not-Romney” which appears to be his only other qualification, legitimate or not.
tjbs at 8/14am–interesting point, if I am reading your question correctly about Santorum possibly having been an altar boy? I’ll ask it more directly– Was he molested?
@ bluevistas: “Rick wants to re-impose persecution.”
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I don’t think HE thinks it IS “persecution” as much a “retributiuon”. He’s thinks ALL religions and beliefs other than his are “wrong”. And, he friggin’ serious as a heart attack.
newcarguy–yes, and it ends up having the same outcome.
@bv: I don’t claim to be an expert. I am Catholic though. Most molested altar boys “left” the church.
newcarguy–or doubled down?, particularly if they carry shame??
@ bv: Call me “ncg” everybody does. You could be right. This guy is so far out in “right field”, he’s guarding the foul pole.
ncg–It seems possible. He certainly seems to carry some of the traits of those who were abused.
Right now, Rick Santorum is Barack Obama’s bestest political bud.
If he wins Michigan, Barack Obama will be dancing naked on the White House lawn.
The clash between my wanting to see the republican party in complete chaos, and the fact that that will better allow Barack Obama to continue his protection and enhancement of the corporate status quo, is…irritating.
IF he had fought the good fight, HE would have put them in complete chaos. Instead, he left a huge vacuum in the political culture, and it’s being filled by the crazies in the GOP. This means that he can pretend to be an agent of change in our dog-eat-dog system, while riding the “We suck less!” pony for another four years of “bipartisan” sellout.
Anyone else not getting a “reply” option on the posts on this thread?
Overheard recently:
“UPS delivery guy here! Mr. Santorum? Here’s your new brain – apologies for the delay. If you believe it was damaged during shipment just contact UPS. Apologies for not being able to deliver your new personality – it was lost during transit.”
American Conservatism = Christian Fascism