I had high expectations that ABC’s This Week would handle last week’s Supreme Court arguments on the Affordable Care Act under its usual intellectual standards. After all, with a panel that includes George Will, Matt Bai, Van Jones, ABC’s Terry Moran and the incomparable Ann Coulter, you’re bound to have your mental framework enlightened after they’re done.
Here’s what I learned today:
The free rider problem — people getting health care after refusing to purchase insurance — is wholly a creation of Congress being so foolish as to allow illegal aliens to get free medical care for “the sniffles.” Thank you, Ann Coulter for that insight.
With Ann having reduced the national health care problem to a mere runny nose, it then made perfect sense for George Will to declare that Constitutional founder James Madison would be profoundly offended at the egregious violation of individual rights that would occur if Congress were allowed to impose a mandate for everyone to have to purchase Kleenex and stop borrowing everyone else’s hanky.
Matt Bai said arguing about this would only hurt President Obama, because the ACA hasn’t helped anyone, . . . uh, except the millions it already has helped under provisions that have nothing to do with the mandate, which apparently is the only provision in the ACA.
Bai was sailing on Will’s wind that it was wrong for Obama supporters to challenge the prestige of the Supreme Court, the most venerable institution in America. When Terry Moran suggested that the Court’s prestige might be harmed by the blatantly partisan divide revealed (again) by the Justice’s questions, Will insisted there is no evidence that the decision in Bush v. Gore did any harm to respect for the Supreme Court. I assume that’s because everyone still loves the winner of that one and they’re thrilled by Citizen’s United.
So, the matter is settled. The Court can, should and likely will strike down the law because the Constitution is there solely to promote individual liberty over the crazy notion the Congress can promote the general welfare through compassion for the undeserving. Only the conservatives understand this, and the public will applaud their strictly partisan majority decision, because they’re tired of giving free tissues to those irresponsible brown people.
Coulter finished by assuring us that her candidate, Mitt Romney, “knows how to fix this,” because as we all know, RomneyCare is different. I believe she means that he will rename every state Massachusetts and let Massachusetts handle it, but perhaps Ms. Coulter was not being serious.
If you are unable to get ABC and wish to have a comparable intellectual discussion, rent a copy of Animal House.



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Glad you watched. I can’t anymore and refuse to allow them to count my tv as viewership.
Coulter thinks she can rule the world, but we all know she can’t even decide what her real voting precinct is.
NBC = No Bloody Conscience
CBS = Conservative Broadcast Sellouts
ABC = Always Believe Conservatives
FOX = Frothing Our Xenophobes
CNN = CRAP News Network
When you think about it, really think about it, only corporations are people, my friend, and so they are the only ones entitled to free health care (aka bailouts).
Well that worked well. Spend two years on a
HCRHealth Insurance Shit Sandwich, leading Congressional Democrats to their mid term demise, then have the Roberts Supremes nullify it in the end.Concurrently, enact trillion dollar bank bailouts and useless Housing Crisis homeowner remedies which simply provide more loot for the banksters… As real estate values continue to fall every year since 2006.
What’s the next scheme?
Privatization of Schools, Prisons and Social Security/Medicare.
Yay, Obama!
Tell me why we are paying attention to a broadcast format that is losing audience rapidly.
That might interest folks inside the Beltway, but outside the Beltway it’s pretty irrelevant. Even to conservatives.
Thank you for the amusing tutorial, just musing.
And thank goddess we still have the internet.
Well, anyway, as Ann Coulter has been telling me, and I have been trying to tell everyone else, if we do allow a mandate for health care, it is only a matter of time before the Third Reich will attack our ships at Pearl harbor.
Hell, even the guys at Animal House knew that!
To assist that very process.
Thank you, Scarecrow, for watching these shows so I don’t have to.
I really wonder, does anyone (outside political people) who watches this week? Or Meet the Press? I would imagine the audience is infintestimal, and growing smaller by the hour.
Spend two years on a HCR Health Insurance Shit Sandwich.
Served up by Chef Max Baucus and the K Street Line Cooks. Yum-O!
Actually, I think Chris Hayes had a chart on yesterday’s show that graphically illustrated the sharp decline in respect for the Supreme Court. I’m not sure I could find it to post here, because it is in one of his show segments, but it was a striking decline, and it has been steady. Dunno when it began, sorry. I don’t want to wade through the clips looking for it.
Then there was Meet the Press with the entire panel pimping for EXXON and drill baby drill.
http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/03/09/scientists-say-america-is-too-dumb-for-democracy-to-thrive/
i rest my case,its hopeless
This panel was ABC April Fools joke
Ah, I would love to see that chart. Thanks, msmolly.
The thing about these shows is that even if they had decent guest and panelists worth listening to, you still get propaganda commercials from the oil.gas boys which are more subtle and insidious than the main show. Or maybe they are the main show. I’ve been meaning to do a critique of that condescending Conoco commercial, which goes out of it’s way to put the young woman student in her place for worrying about the environment. They sponsor the Maddow and other shows.
JUST REMEMBER IT IS “APRIL FOOLS” Day!
How would we know that is what explains this?
I hope you will.
I also do find the oil industry to be especially scurrilous — and for years. Exxon has almost single handedly placed us in jeopardy with their war against climate science. I actually read a note by a writer for Exxon who makes the bald statement that truth is what the people believe and he is just doing his job for his employer.
Thank you for your service.
They make a good argument but it doesn’t explain how FDR was elected to four terms as President. Especially given the median education level of Americans then was significantly lower than it is today. Gee, I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the electorate back then wasn’t inundated with programming like ABC’s This Week.
George Will has been uttering gibberish in an effete, pithy way only Queen Elizabeth could enjoy for decades. He may be brilliant but I just can’t get past the swarm. Around my neck of the woods we just say, ” Look out, here comes more swill from George Will. ” As for Ms. Coulter, well, I’ll always remember the first time I saw her in almost all her glory on TV. It was early Fox. She had on a very short black dress, black nylons and white undies in front of a live audience. I’m sure the host, viewers, audience and camera man were, ahem, surprised by her revelations. I’m sure Ms. Coulter got the attention she wanted. I’m sure the camera man was told to point that thing the other way after the break. And, aside from one time on a side stream off the Mississippi River, I saw the biggest beaver of my life. You go, girl! That’ll perk up the demographic you shootin’ for.
Book Salon up with Jonathan Ladd’s Why Americans Hate the Media and How It Matters hosted by spocko
the media today is 100% fascist and has suceeded in divide and conquer,of course rollling back of all things FDR is in full swing,with the rubes,not even knowing it
the rubes dont even know they paid for the Darth Vader family for 50 yers
http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=11456488#page:showThread,11456488
whole article is at Forbes,which i will not link to
You forgot:
AWDWMCOBC–anyone who disagrees with me could only be crazy
Right!
Obama only has himself to blame. The justices, even conservatives, basically said, “if you’d passed single payer, you’d be alright.”.
If he’d had the balls, all would be well.
Besides, some progressives only support this legal theory because they like the idea everyone is being made to do. They’d hate it if the product everyone was required to buy was one they hated.
Not that they like buying insurance.
Well, if you really want me to, I will dig for it…
Home nursing a cold, nothing better to do, I guess.
Ah, so you are the one with the sniffles that coulter warned about. Don’t worry, now I know it’s out there, I’ll find it.
Here it is, about 2:42 in to this clip:
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/46913381
Actually, I had Googled to find it and couldn’t, so I picked the most likely of two segments on yesterday’s show, and bingo!
Coulter can have these sniffles. Spring colds are no fun.
I watched some of the “wonderful” ABC roundtable…then I decided to impale myself with a butter knife…
Shocking that with Will, Coulter, and Jones that Disney would put out crap.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
GO HOME! THIS NATION IS BROKE?
Only the Constitutional TEA PARTY (THE PEOPLE’S PARTY) can save us now from the Socialist agenda of the Obama and his Czars in the administration. A major agenda of this government is to slyly pass a backdoor amnesty for illegal aliens, who have not only committed their first offense by entering a sovereign country without permission, but to get work they either made up a social security number, but would likely stolen an innocent Americans ID. This is a Felony and the President Obama, Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano, are ignoring this criminal violation. Currently the amnesty that Obama administration is proposed is to make it easier for illegal aliens who are family members of American citizens to apply for legal permanent residency. This is a absolute travesty when millions of foreign nationals, wait in their countries sometime for years, to be granted a visa. Only Congress can change the laws governing naturalization and Citizenship—NOT OBAMA AND HIS FLOCK OF CZARS.
This is a political ploy of the Obama government to gain political points, for the presidential race in November. Also seen is the Liberal Democrats attitude that anybody should be allowed to vote, including some of the 20 million illegal migrants and immigrants living here already. It is no stretch of the imagination to be aware that if states do not pass laws, that at least one piece of official ID, such as a drivers license the door is wide open for significant voter fraud, especially in a close race. Democrats and their pushers of special interest groups will do anything in their power to halt states from enacting official government ID laws, to be shown when voting.
A financial calamity is at hand, if we don’t start singling out bad politicians, Governors, Mayors and public elected officials who are pro-illegal alien, such as Governor Chaffee of Rhode Island, and Chief of Police Beck of Los Angeles California. These officials are everywhere and must be thrown out of office, before they do more financial damage. These personages are pandering to the illegal alien organizations such as La Raza, Mecha and many other minorities. They are just a small part of our elected officials who see no wrong in passing on the cost of public welfare programs, to taxpayers.
Both parties are to blame for the mess we are in, so by removing these corrupt politicians we can clean Washington. These elites and the establishment will demonize any loyal American citizen as Sen. Marco Rubio, Sen. Sessions, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, and many more are trying to protect their resident citizens and legalized immigrants from accelerating costs.
That illegal immigration and their riding on the citizenship of their children are costing an estimated $113 Billion dollars annually and still rising out of your pocket uncompensated mandates. This is not an immobile dollar figure as millions of legal entries are granted entry documents annually, Only the Conservative TEA PARTY, governed by U.S. Constitution have the ability, to throw out corrupt and the senile lawmakers and vote into office young, honest legislators who rid Washington of the rot that has entrenched there. Only the American taxpaying public has the vote to end massive financial issues like “Obamacare” that will fine you if you don’t enroll in a health care package, while the flakes and parasites get the whole package free. I’m sure we will pay for every destitute person and anybody who slips across the insecure border or arrives here legally/illegally by jet to stay. Then there is the projected $40 million plus, wired out the country to Mexico and other foreign lands and not being introduced into our wilting economy. Nobody wants to admit we owe China part of the near $16 Trillion dollars and our government still wants to overpopulate us, with more illegal aliens, plus the heinous criminals amongst them.
These people have figured there way to get subsidized government housing and many on welfare drive more expensive cars than average Americans. Additionally, they know how to collect tax credits, without even paying into the system annually of $4 Billion dollars, which the IRS ignores. The same with Obama’s push to pass an overflow of poverty from other countries, that taxpayer will also pay to the IRS. Americans must demand mandatory E-Verify, Secure Communities, the 287 G program from Congress, as our jobs are at stake. We must also rescind all Sanctuary city ordinances, chain migration, dream acts and any form of Amnesty. We must remove the Obama administration, before we become a nation of beggars, in the eyes of the world? Take a few minutes and read the news editorials that the Socialist and Liberal newsmakers don’t want you to see at AMERICAN PATROL, http://www.americanpatrol.com. Also follow the U.S. sovereignty web site of NUMBERSUSA, http://www.numbersusa.com. Learn the stomach heaving costs to all Americans from illegal immigration. Join the local Tea Party in your area or phone your Representative in Washington, to stop this madness.
In post war design for both architecture and furniture, the question was whether to stress functionality, or the decorative effect of design.
With Coulter, Will and Bai, ABC has achieved the nullification of both.
“…some progressives only support this legal theory because they like the idea everyone is being made to do….”
Actually, I think those progressives still think that having insurance means you will get the health care you need.
Yeh and I bet your a Christian too you nutcase.
Germanicus Anassicus.
Medication MAY help you, but the “madness” seems pretty advanced. Long rest, outside the range of cable TV, the internet and AM radio is your best chance to recover some semblance of reality.
We do in Mass, under “ROMNEYCARE”. I hear they do in Hawai’i, as well.
Oh, and in the civilized world, too. To borrow from Gandhi (and substitute America for England).
When asked “What do you think of English Civilization?” He replied.
“I think it would be an excellent idea!”
The MANDATE was EXACTLY what the REPUBLICANS proposed to counter Clinton’s health care proposal. I’m shocked, shocked that they oppose it.
Plus I agree with Van Jones, SCOTUS is looking like just another bunch of political hacks. Of course, depending where you stand, this is not a new issue.
Irony, or ironies, I never liked the mandate and just want to buy into Medicare, it’s the least expensive and best run healthcare plan out there.
Well, you’ve got to watch where the big bucks go when they’re just talking about peanuts. Here’s guy (a libertarian) who has been keeping track of how much the government had spent to bail out the “free market” on Wall St:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/bailout-costs-vs-big-historical-events/
Fifteen TRILLION dollars, in ONE YEAR. The total has gone up considerably since then (some estimates as high as $29 trillion).
So yes, the country may be BROKE, but it sure wasn’t Social Security or Medicare that did it. These programs don’t run up a debt that big for the next forty years. It was “the free market” that did it.
You did see this.